NASA : Nonexistent Ice Thickening Faster Than It Used To

NASA, which predicted Arctic sea ice would be gone by now, says Arctic sea ice is thickening faster than it used to – but the earth is still doomed.

Steve Goddard on Twitter: “You can’t stop “long term decline”

This week, after reviewing his own new data, NASA climate scientist Jay Zwally said: “At this rate, the Arctic Ocean could be nearly ice-free at the end of summer by 2012, much faster than previous predictions.”   December 12, 2007

Arctic Sea Ice Gone in Summer Within Five Years?

NASA scientist: ‘We’re toast’   June 24, 2008

Hansen told the AP before the luncheon, “The Arctic is the first tipping point and it’s occurring exactly the way we said it would.” Hansen, echoing work by other scientists, said that in five to 10 years, the Arctic will be free of sea ice in the summer.

The Argus-Press – Google News Archive Search

But now, the ice is thickening faster than it used too.  This must be because of the record heat in the super-hot Arctic.

The Arctic is super-hot

The North Pole is an insane 36 degrees warmer than normal as winter descends – The Washington Post

Arctic sea ice is the same thickness (two meters) as it was 60 years ago, and 80 years ago.

23 Feb 1940 – THE NORTH POLE

The Changing Face of the Arctic; The Changing Face of the Arctic

DMI Modelled ice thickness

The endless stream of unpalatable lies and junk science continues, but you are accused of being a racist and hating the planet if you don’t believe them.

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26 Responses to NASA : Nonexistent Ice Thickening Faster Than It Used To

  1. Ari says:

    They also have this sentence: “The increased growth during winter could have implications on ocean salinity levels, forcing marine ecosystems to adapt”

    One can never win it seems.

  2. Norilsk says:

    Fresh from the NSIDC.
    Autumn freeze-up amps up
    December 4, 2018

    The Arctic freeze-up season is well underway, with ice extent increasing faster than average for most regions in November. Exceptions were in the Chukchi and Barents Seas, where the ice has been slow to form. November snow cover over North America was the most extensive since 1966.

  3. griff says:

    The rate at which it thickens is faster… because it hangs on longer without serious freeze over, then freezes rapidly, but not to the same extent as it used to. Just look at the charts for this year.

    It isn’t reaching the same thickness/maximums any more.

    and NASA have not said it is imminently ice free all year, but ice free in the summer. It will still freeze over in winter for decades to come.

    • Gator says:

      Why do you hate poor brown people Ms Griff?

      There is clearly nothing unusual or unprecedented going on in the Arctic, and we have shown you this more times than we can count. The only reason anyone would starve millions of innocent humans to death is because they hate them.

      So again Ms Griff, why do you hate poor brown people?

    • tonyheller says:

      Arctic sea ice is two meters thick – the same as it was 80 years ago.

      http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/62428921

    • neal s says:

      It writes .. “but ice free in the summer. ” So tell me, what is the closest to “ice free in the summer” that we have been since the predictions of doom have been made?

      I understand that “ice free” is one wadhams or less. Seems to me it is likely that we have never even been near being one wadhams since those predictions, but always some mutliple.

      I am also curious what would be necessary to acknowledge that the whole doomsday cult of CAGW is wrong? If nothing could possibly change your mind, then you are a religious fanatic as opposed to someone amenable to reason.

      So which one is it? Could anything falsify your ill-placed belief in CAGW or are you a religious fanatic?

      • Steven Fraser says:

        In the IPCC AR4 (2005) report, the ‘near ice free Arctic Ocean’ is defined as ‘sea ice extent less than 10^6 km^2 for at least five consecutive years’, and the report terms this is ‘likely’ in September before mid-century under RCP8.5 (medium confidence). Source: Explanatory paragraph, figure TS.5.4.6.

        • Menicholas says:

          Yes, now they have learned a valuable lesson: Make their dire and wrong predictions of doom far enough in the future that they will be dead, or at the very least long retired, before the due date for proving them morons.
          The question is, why believe people at all who are never correct yet keep doubling down on their inanity?

          • rah says:

            Yes they are now making their dooms day projections/predictions decades into the future while others cry that we must do something about climate change now! And they wonder why their meme is ignored by most of the people?

            What dooms day prediction/projection has come to pass? NONE! What dooms day prediction/ projection seems to be possible that it will come to pass? NONE!

      • spike55 says:

        “Ice free” is what happened for much of the first 7000 or so years of the Holocene, up until the cooling phase called the “Neoglaciation” which led, with warmer bumps at the RWP and MWP to the Little Ice Age.

        Thankfully the world has recovered slightly from that coldest period in 10,000 years.

        The sea ice extent in the mid-late 1970s was up there with the extremes of the Little Ice Age

        What has really happened is a RECOVERY slightly towards a more average Holocene extent.. Still in the top 10% though. A long way down to reach the often ice free summers of the early and mid Holocene, or even the lesser extents than now of the MWP.

      • spike55 says:

        “So tell me, what is the closest to “ice free in the summer””

        2012 dropped to 3.34 Wadhams due to a large storm breaking up the sea ice, every other year before and after has a minimum above 4 Wadhams.

    • spike55 says:

      It has not come anywhere near “Ice Free” or even come close to 1 Wadham in extent.

      Nowhere near the regular zero summer sea ice of much of the first 8000+ years of the Holocene.

      Still actually pretty much in the TOP 10% of Holocene sea ice extents

      Try to get a grip on REALITY if you can , griffool. !

    • Robert Austin says:

      Griff,
      Your modus operandi is to maintain that the arctic ice could still be “endangered” at some ill defined point in the future. Meanwhile, you willfully avoid any mention, much less censure, of the nut bar “climate scientists” whose dire predictions have not come to pass.

      • Squidly says:

        This is one reason why I would like to see an “ice free” Arctic. Just to take away one of the talking points of the climate nut jobs, especially when everyone sees that not a damn thing in the world will change if the Artic becomes ice free. Nothing will change. Obviously sea levels would not rise (see Archimedes principle), the poly bears will be just fine. Shorter shipping routes would open up making for cheaper goods. Hmmm, I don’t really see any downside to an ice free Arctic. Bring it on already!!!!

  4. Frank K. says:

    “…and NASA have not said it is imminently ice free all year, but ice free in the summer.”

    There has never been an “ice-free” arctic summer in modern history. The NASA predictions are/were erroneous.

  5. Steven Fraser says:

    DMI Sea Ice Volume stats for Dec 6 report:

    Volume is 15,771 cu km, 98.85% of the average volume for the day in the 16-year series, and 98.79% of the DMI-charted 10-year reference period 2004-2013. Still ranked #8 in the 16-year series, 184 cu km below its average volume for the day.

    Sea Ice Volume growth since the September 10 low stand has been 9,558 cu km, 153.85% increase over the value it had on that day.

  6. gregole says:

    There’s no long-term decline. There’s no trend. There’s plenty of ice in the Arctic. It’s measured in the millions of square km. Its a desolate, dark nowhere to most of us. It doesn’t matter how much ice there is or isn’t.

    Ignorance, poverty, disease – focus on reducing these.

    Stop worrying about the f#cking ice.

    Sigh.

  7. Steve Niemiec says:

    https://nsidc.org/greenland-today/
    High snowfall and moderate melt runoff in 2018

    SO, NO LOSS THEN?

    As noted in the previous post, exceptional winter snow accumulation and heavy, summer snowfall, drove the net snow input mass to 130 billion tons above the 1981 to 2010 average. This was followed by a near-average melt and runoff period, resulting in a large net mass gain for the ice sheet in 2018 of 150 billion tons. This is the largest net gain from snowfall since 1996, and the highest snowfall since 1972. However, several major glaciers now flow significantly faster than in these earlier years. The net change in mass of the ice sheet overall, including this higher discharge of ice directly into the ocean, is not clear at this point but may be a smaller loss or even a small gain. This is similar to our assessment for 2017, and in sharp contrast to the conditions for the preceding decade.

    Persistent winds from the northeast triggered high snowfall for 2017 to 2018 along the eastern Greenland coast. These winds blew across open ocean areas allowing the atmosphere to entrain moisture and deposit it as heavy snowfall on the ice sheet.

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