Greenland Ice Gain Is Fastest Loss In 350 Years

Consensus seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects.

– Margaret Thatcher

Greenland has gained ice the last two years, and experts say it is the fastest loss in 350 years.

Climate reality check: Greenland ice melt speeds up | Stuff.co.nz

Greenland Gains Huge Amounts Of Ice For The Second Year In A Row | The Deplorable Climate Science Blog

Greenland Ice Sheet’s 2017 weigh-in suggests a small increase in ice mass | NOAA Climate.gov

Greenland’s most famous glacier (Petermann)  has been expanding ten feet per day since 2012.

2012          2018

And why did the climate fraudsters pick 350 years for the start point?  Because that was the coldest point of the last millennium. Greenland was much warmer 800 years ago.

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62 Responses to Greenland Ice Gain Is Fastest Loss In 350 Years

  1. Disillusioned says:

    Thank you Tony!

  2. John of Cloverdale, Western Australia says:

    you always nail it, Tony.

  3. Anon says:

    If anyone wants to explore Greenland further, in particular what caused this pre-carbon era climate change, a very good video is here:

    The Lost Vikings

    The west coast of Greenland was the site of a thriving Viking colony for hundreds of years. Originally settled by explorers who had bravely sailed across the treacherous North Atlantic from their homes in Scandinavia, the Greenland outpost grew into a farming community of thousands. And then something went terribly wrong. Visitors in the 1400s reported that the inhabitants had simply vanished, leaving no bodies and few clues about what could have happened.

    Speculation has long centered on suddenly adverse weather conditions or possibly a war with local Inuit people, but in this documentary, an installment of PBS’s Secrets of the Dead set, a team of archaeologists, forensic anthropologists, and botanists visit a desolate and remote stretch of the Greenland coast and solve the mystery of the lost Vikings.

    The archaeological record, combined with the scant written accounts of how the settlers lived, begin to reveal some surprising evidence. And a complicated story involving a “mini ice age” emerges. The compelling theory indicates that worsening conditions, coupled with strict religious beliefs that kept the Greenland Vikings from adapting by learning the ways of the natives, sealed their fate. This is a captivating look at a little-known mystery. –Robert J. McNamara

    https://youtu.be/Ea0iVLWTtg4

    • Gator says:

      Yeah, the Inuit war never made sense, especially when you understand Viking (war) culture. There is a reason the Vikings were so successful in expanding territories, and it wasn’t due to their diplomacy.

      • arn says:

        And in general they were significantly taller and had the superior weapons ,
        therefore it is unlikely that they started to vanish at peak population as even during a war many would have simply escaped back to scandinavia but a really cold winter ,too little wood and food to survive can dinosaur entire populations.

        There is a reason why this rock of ice was not called a rock of ice but greenland.
        And this reason is very climate denying.

      • rah says:

        And yet the Norsemen disappeared and the Inuit remained when things got cold again. If the Europeans had been on good relations with the natives they should have adopted at least some of their ways to survive when the climate turned against them and made it impossible to keep their livestock. But they didn’t. It is a question that will probably never be answered.

        • Gator says:

          IMHO the only reason the Inuit did survive, is because nobody else wants to live there. It’s kind of like being a Clinton fan, plenty of cheap seats available.

          Advance ticket sales for last night’s scheduled event in Sugarland, Texas, a suburb of Houston, were so dismal that prices were slashed by 90% for the cheapest seats. But even that level of discounting apparently didn’t prevent another prospective sea of empty seats, such as the 83% empty arena in Toronto that had to be humiliating for the fading former first family.

          https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/12/is_the_clinton_stadium_tour_going_to_be_cancelled.html

  4. Gator says:

    350 years? Hmmmm. Wouldn’t that put their timeline start date in the LIA? Even if their statement were true, it is the same as saying that temperatures in July (northern hemisphere) are the highest since December.

    Big.

    Fat.

    Nothingburger.

    • Gator says:

      Our reconstruction quantifies the exceptional magnitude of present-
      day melt and runoff relative to the last several centuries.

      “It’s warmer in summer than in winter”

      Genius! So all our summer vacation driving and BBQ’s drive the summer warming. Good to know!

      • rah says:

        There are far more vehicles on the road for the Thanksgiving Holiday than for the 4th of July. And that goes double for big trucks. Always a spike in freight as the warehouses stock up on food and merchandise for the holiday season. It starts in the later part of October and goes gang busters right up to the week before Christmas. After that it tails off into a lull for the first two weeks of January until it starts to climb back to normal levels. This is a pattern this truck driver has noticed in good times and bad year after year.

      • rah says:

        BTW if anyone is wondering why I have so much time to post. I’m not driving this week. My mother passed away Monday morning and I took the week off. She passed peacefully due to pneumonia after a week in the hospital. She fought Alzheimer’s for 12 years. It stole much of her memory and awareness but it didn’t take her soul. Unlike many struck by this terrible disease she was every bit as sweet as she was before the disease. Her last words were telling her care givers in the hospital how pretty and nice they were. It is never easy to lose ones parents when one stays close to them and they have been so good to you but Mom had very little quality of life left by the time she passed and so it was a blessing. I’s sure it won’t be long before my Dad follows her.

        • Gator says:

          I’m very sorry to hear of your loss Rah. I still have my mother, and especially after losing my father, I truly appreciate the time I have to spend with mom. You and yours are in my thoughts and prayers.

          • rah says:

            Thanks Gator. I’ve pretty much come to grips with it though my sleeping patterns still aren’t back to normal. Thankfully I have my two brothers and sister and they’re all wonderful. I have been blessed in many ways and know it.

        • Disillusioned says:

          RAH, just grabbed lunch and got online a minute and read about your mother. My deepest condolences, my friend. Very touching. Your mother sounds like a wonderful lady and mom.

          Dad died 10 years ago. I still have my mother and do not look forward to that eventual day.

          Re: you not driving this week, I always enjoy reading your truck driving stories.

          Gentle blessings to you and yours.

        • garyh845 says:

          Echoing the other sweet condolences, Rah. This too will come on me soon enough as well . . it’s the dusk years. Your reflections are well received and appreciated as we move forward. God bless you, and yours.

        • MGJ says:

          Hi Rah,
          You’ve always come across as a good guy. I wish you all the best and please keep posting when you can.

          • rah says:

            Thanks MGJ. Day off today so did some Christmas shopping this morning and beat the crowds. Arrangements made. Details like music and Pastor dealt with. Showing tomorrow afternoon. Funeral Saturday afternoon.

        • Robertv says:

          Sorry to hear you lost your mother. Must have been a great mom to have a son like you. But life and the fight goes on. No time to rest.

        • Johansen says:

          Sorry to hear about your loss, Rah. Thanks for sharing that

    • Anon says:

      /Time begins in 1650./

      In the Summer of 1653, this was going on:

      Glaciers overrun French Alpine Villages

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZFXZ0bATyc&feature=youtu.be&t=129

      That is some coincidence, no?

  5. AmdyDC says:

    Without their blatant data tampering, cherry picks and “1984” type massive media brainwashing, the alarmists have nothing!

  6. MrZ says:

    OT!

    Here is one of the stations that reported a 260 year record in Sweden this summer.
    https://www.google.com/maps/@57.7156429,11.9926898,3a,75y,276.86h,87.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2J2RdAvMU9gijn3z9CBSFQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

    Scroll out to get the full picture.

  7. Jack Dale says:

    Tony still fails to understand that SMB does not include calving.

    “Over the year, it snows more than it melts, but calving of icebergs also adds to the total mass budget of the ice sheet. Satellite observations over the last decade show that the ice sheet is not in balance. The calving loss is greater than the gain from surface mass balance, and Greenland is losing mass at about 200 Gt/yr.”

    https://www.dmi.dk/en/groenland/maalinger/greenland-ice-sheet-surface-mass-budget/

    • Gator says:

      Calving is caused by a growing glacier.

      Ice calving, also known as glacier calving or iceberg calving, is the breaking of ice chunks from the edge of a glacier. It is a form of ice ablation or ice disruption and is normally caused by the glacier expanding.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_calving

      What was your point again?

    • spike55 says:

      A generic statement from many years ago.

      How about some actual calving data?

      You do know that natural rivers flow into the ocean, don’t you?

      You do know that Greenland area is only a tiny amount down from that of the LIA and above what it has been for most of the last 8000 years.

      You live in a world of your own IGNORANCE, jackass.

      • Jack Dale says:

        The Greenland ice sheet (GrIS) is a growing contributor to global sea-level rise1, with recent ice mass loss dominated by surface meltwater runoff2,3. Satellite observations reveal positive trends in GrIS surface melt extent4, but melt variability, intensity and runoff remain uncertain before the satellite era. Here we present the first continuous, multi-century and observationally constrained record of GrIS surface melt intensity and runoff, revealing that the magnitude of recent GrIS melting is exceptional over at least the last 350 years. We develop this record through stratigraphic analysis of central west Greenland ice cores, and demonstrate that measurements of refrozen melt layers in percolation zone ice cores can be used to quantifiably, and reproducibly, reconstruct past melt rates. We show significant (P < 0.01) and spatially extensive correlations between these ice-core-derived melt records and modelled melt rates5,6 and satellite-derived melt duration4 across Greenland more broadly, enabling the reconstruction of past ice-sheet-scale surface melt intensity and runoff. We find that the initiation of increases in GrIS melting closely follow the onset of industrial-era Arctic warming in the mid-1800s, but that the magnitude of GrIS melting has only recently emerged beyond the range of natural variability. Owing to a nonlinear response of surface melting to increasing summer air temperatures, continued atmospheric warming will lead to rapid increases in GrIS runoff and sea-level contributions.

        https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0752-4.epdf

    • spike55 says:

      Furtermore, lets put any TINY gains or losses into perspective shall we.

      Here is a graph of the Greenland Total Ice Mass since 1900, based on gravity based measurements of moving underground magma..

    • rah says:

      Ok Jack Dale
      Where is the increased rate in SLR? If the Greenland ice sheet is losing a significant amount of ice then it MUST show up in an increased rate in SLR. Where is it? The Maldives are all still there. All 1, 192 of them.

    • rah says:

      Report on the state of the Greenland ice sheet. Fact is the major outlet glaciers are growing thus mass gain is greater than calving loss. Also Greenland set a new record for albedo this summer.

      http://polarportal.dk/fileadmin/user_upload/polarportal-saesonrapport-2018-EN.pdf

    • Jason Calley says:

      Hey Jack, you say, “Tony still fails to understand that SMB does not include calving.”

      Can you think of any way that atmospheric CO2 can “trap heat” in such a way that the Greenland ice sheet loses huge amounts of mass WITHOUT that trapped heat first melting the surface ice?

      If Greenland is calving more, can CO2 make the ice flow faster without increasing surface melt?

      If the ice is flowing faster because of increased water permeating the interface of the ice and the bedrock, where is the increased melt water coming from if the surface is not melting faster?

      • rah says:

        Heck Jason, the alarmists have been making up every excuse they can think of to explain away why the SLR rate isn’t increasing.

        If it’s not the ocean bottom sinking under the weight of the water it’s claims that during subduction of the plates huge amounts of water are beings sucked down into the bowel of the earth and nobody knows where it goes. It really is pathetic.

      • spike55 says:

        NOAA data shows the whole of ocean 0-2000m has warmed by a staggering 0.08ºC in 60 years

        How SCARY is that, considering there was a grand solar maximum over most of that period. !!

    • tonyheller says:

      SMB covers accumulation and melt. It doesn’t cover junk science misinterpretations of gravity data.

      • spike55 says:

        Well said , TH.

        Greenland is over a known active magma sack, gravity variations are MEANINGLESS.

        Even taking into account those non-measurements, this is what the Greenland total Ice Mass looks like since 1900.

  8. rah says:

    Anyone remember how back years ago the alarmists were arguing that the melt of the Greenland ice sheet would cause cooling or even attenuation of the Gulf Stream there by causing a cascade effect that would cause the climate of the earth to go crazy?

    • Disillusioned says:

      Sounds like you may be talking about the Art Bell and Whitley Strieber hypothesis that “The Day After Tomorrow” movie was based on. Saw the movie. It was weird. NYC flooded and froze in about two hours.

      Oh, wait… that was the length of the movie. ;-P

  9. Psalmon says:

    First we had the missing heat…soon we will have the missing WATER…

    https://www.earth.com/news/deep-ocean-trenches-holding-water/

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