Arctic Alarmist Crisis Continues To Unfold

There has been almost no melting in the Arctic Basin over the past few days, and this is supposed to be peak melt season.

Index of /DATASETS/NOAA/G02135/north/daily/images/2019/07_Jul/

Arctic sea ice extent is identical to all recent years, but it is declining much more slowly than last year or 2015.

Ocean and Ice Services | Danmarks Meteorologiske Institut

Cold weather forecast over the Beaufort Sea over the next two weeks points towards a major meltdown for Arctic alarmists this summer. Their scam is collapsing in real time.

10-Day Temperature Outlook

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92 Responses to Arctic Alarmist Crisis Continues To Unfold

  1. Nicholas McGinley says:

    Of course, a few hot days and we get stories like this one from CNBC.
    Apparently NOAA is claiming June was the hottest month ever, and July is on track to be the new hottest month ever.
    Check it out:
    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/22/air-conditioner-maker-lennox-cuts-forecast-citing-significantly-cooler-temperatures.html

  2. Phil. says:

    Arctic sea ice extent is identical to all recent years, but it is declining much more slowly than last year or 2015.

    Well today the sea ice extent is actually at the record low for the date during the satellite era, not identical to last year and 2015.
    According to NSIDC today: 7.218, 2015: 7.996, 2018: 8.038 (million sq km)
    Current rate of decline is about 100,000 sq km/day.

    • Gator says:

      When did the satellite era start Phail?

    • tonyheller says:

      NSIDC has a long history of fudging numbers for propaganda. The more reliable DMI numbers show extent identical to all recent years. I have caught NSIDC cheating several times. The scam is collapsing.

      • rah says:

        The alarmists love their extent numbers. As if sea ice extent is not subject to all kinds of factors besides insolation, air and water temps. Tony just puts the stuff out there to shove their noses in it when it doesn’t comply with their dooms day wishes. But anyone really paying attention knows it is for the most part, the most worthless ice metric to use as a temperature proxy of all ice measurements.

      • Phil. says:

        So have you also caught JAXA cheating?
        They have today at 6.86, 2007 at 7.14, 2016 at 7.17, and 2012 at 7.1.

        • spike55 says:

          Still WAY ABOVE the Holocene average.

          Still in the top 5-10% of the last 10,000 years

          A TOTALLY INSIGNIFICANT CHANGE, even if you take NSIDC or JAXA as gospel.

          STILL ONE HECK OF A LOT OF SEA ICE up there,

          Nowhere near the ZERO sea ice predicted by so many of your AGW cult leaders.

          Wouldn’t you agree, little AGW trollette !

          Can you ever find the balls to TELL THE TRUTH. !!

      • Lorne says:

        If you are a stickler for accuracy, why use DMI models that routinely use 2 and 3 year old future model forecasts? Don’t you think that real time data is more reliable? Why not rely on climate re-analyzer or my own personal favorite, U.S. Navy sonar as these models are real time and give some indication of sea ice volume, obviously the indicator we should all be watching.

        Most everyone has seen ice break up at a lake for example at some point, even a lake as big as Lake Superior. It’s there one week and the next, its gone. Why? Certainly not because of extent, but because of volume. When the the volume is gone, the extent is gone. Why are so many of us droned to focus on extent? Its important to know because ice surface cools off the air above it and indicates melt and refreeze timelines but sea ice volume is far more important. No volume, no extent!

        Sea ice extent defined by NOAA is sea ice at 15% ice or greater. When ice is thin, its like slush in a bowl, it spreads out but melts faster and we are seeing this play out in the Arctic as we speak this year especially east of Alaska. Anyone paying attention to Arctic sea ice volume knows that we are headed for summer free ice within 5 years. The only ones who don’t know it are too young or mentally challenged to see accurate real time model animations for what they are.

        When Obama was in office, he said “my advisors tell me we’ve lost 75% of the Arctic sea ice volume over the last 40 years. By that standard, 13 more years and its gone”. That was a few years ago. If one goes by averages, we are losing around 2% a year of sea ice volume so where are we now… 17% ? Less? When was the Arctic at 25% of its volume 40 years ago… in winter or summer? March or September? It matters! Look at a U.S. Navy sonar chart of Arctic sea ice volume and you will see why it matters.

        I listen to OAC tell the masses we’ve got 12 years, presumably because Obama inferred we have that kind of time. We don’t. We have less than 5. When the Arctic sea ice is gone we will have entered a new climate state full of accelerating feed backs, none of them good. The first year, it might be a few days to 2 weeks of open water. The volume will continue to shrink year after year as reduced albedo, latent heat and delayed refreeze kick in. The following year will be open water for 4 to 6 weeks. Within a few years, it will be open water for 3 or 4 months. The Arctic ocean in just a few ice free summers will have warmed up 10 to 15 degrees more than it is now. It’s 7 and 8 degrees off the coast of Alaska as we speak :

        https://climatereanalyzer.org/wx/DailySummary/#sst

        It doesn’t take a degree to realize what follows should the ocean warm up 10 degrees or more than what it is today. The entire atmosphere over the Arctic will warm up around the same measure over summer, no longer cooled by Arctic ice. We will see slower jet streams as a consequence of a reduced temperature gradient, more atmospheric humidity, more intense heat waves and higher rainfall in the Arctic, accelerated permafrost melt, accelerated Greenland ice melt, we will be entering into a new climate state chalk full of accelerating feed backs not in 12 years, less than 5! North America will see shorter winters… mother nature will struggle to keep up, the Northern Hemisphere will warm up substantially as a whole and wild fires will tear up the West coast of North America.

        That’s no joke. From where I sit, we can look forward to British Columbia losing 30% of its forests to fire by 2030, the majority of it coming between 2025 and 2030. 2017 and 2018 were record years for forest fires losing 2.7% of forests to fire over 2 years. 1958 was the previous record at .9% To achieve a 30% loss of forests to fire over 10 years, we are talking about forest fire seasons 3 to 4x worse than the record years of 2017 and 2018. Sadly, events like this are something we can begin to expect.

        When some AH tells us “the climate has always changed and we aren’t responsible” to people living through this kind of loss… and I’m just using one example, wild fires… what kind of reaction do we think that will generate? Such statements like this will only be appreciated by the lovers of lies. But you know… its not like we weren’t told or weren’t made aware, at least a part of us anyway, every step of the way through all the ignorance, and greed, and avarice, and media blackouts and scientific disinformation in support of the almighty petrol dollar etc. We knew. We always knew:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM0uZ9mfOUI

        • spike55 says:

          Oh dearie me,
          Yet ANOTHER climate history DENIER.

          late 1970’s was a period of ANOMALOUSLY EXTREME sea ice in the Arctic, up there with the extents of the Little Ice Age, the coldest period in 10,000 years

          Arctic sea ice levels are STILL in the top 5-10% of the last 10,000 years.

          If you are IGNORANT of these basic facts, you are IGNORANT of basically everything. !

          “When the Arctic sea ice is gone”

          ROFLMAO,, yet another IDIOT PARROT-LIKE prophesy.

          Arctic sea ice extent and volume haven’t gone ANYWHERE for the last decade or more.

          Basically everything you said is designed to show that Adam Sandler meme..

          Trying to make everybody as DUMB as you are !

          A massive FAIL on all accounts.

        • spike55 says:

          “It doesn’t take a degree to realize what follows should the ocean warm up 10 degrees”

          ROFLMAO

          NASA shows ocean warming of just 0.08ºC in 60 years

          GET A GRIP ON REALITY, little monkey !!

        • spike55 says:

          Poor lawn…

          See that little red squiggle at the end of the graph.

          That is humans “supposed” contribution to Ocean Heat

          https://i.postimg.cc/zGjnSbzn/OHC_in_perspective_2.jpg

          Remain in DEEP DENIAL of facts little mind, its all you have to support your idiotic PANIC. !!

          • Lorne says:

            spike55

            Its called latent heat. I would suggest you read up on it some time. Or, watch the phenomenon over Hudson bay over the next few weeks, its in season. But we’ll all get a lesson on it soon enough. If you are mildly interested between pointless putdowns and slurs that are more befitting of someone with a personality disorder, watch this video:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo3cznpfIpA

            It’s also clear that you have no idea of what has happened to sea ice volume over the last decade, why, or in consequence what will come. You are in a cult of denial, swimming in false facts, no doubt. It matters not.

            We have less than 5 years to act and considering the world leadership, governments, greed, avarice, propaganda, poor mental health, ignorance and plain old lack of morality, a human caused mass extinction event triggered directly by climate change is certain within 30 ears. Even individuals like yourself will begin to accept it soon enough within 10 years as environmental changes occur more rapidly than most imagined possible.

          • Lorne says:

            spike55

            What are you doing posting fake facts Spike? Are you Russian? And who names themselves after a dog?

          • Gator says:

            Typical, a leftist doesn’t like facts, so he blames Russia! LOL

          • spike55 says:

            HILARIOUS.

            Lawn is plucking GARBAGE science from his arse that he obviously is TOTALLY CLUELESS about.

            Sea ice volume last decade..

            NO TREND , moron. !!

            https://i.postimg.cc/dVz6dQzB/DMI_Arctic_sea_Ice_Volume.png

            You have NO FACTS to back up anything you rabbit on about.

            I bet you can’t even come up with a paper showing empirical evidence of warming by increased atmospheric CO2.

            You rabid regurgitation of mindless anti-science propaganda pap is quite HILARIOUS

            You are nothing but a zero-minded GULLIBLE IDIOT !!

            Hudson Bay Ice extent is currently above that of every year back to 2006 except 2008, 2015 and 2018.

            Stop yapping on with your IGNORANT, FACT-FREE ZERO-SCIENCE GARBAGE. !

            “We have less than 5 years to act”

            Are you one of that Hollywood CLOWNS that make their living from acting?

            Is your career in z-rated movies coming to an end??

          • spike55 says:

            WOW, there really is ONE HECK OF A LOT OF SEA ICE up there, isn’t there.

            FAR MORE than for all but 400-500 years of the last 10,000 years.

            https://i.postimg.cc/LXmygrQ0/Arctic-Sea-Ice-Extent-North-of-Iceland-3000-Years-Moffa-S-nchez.jpg

            Abnormally high extent.

            That’s because the world is only a small bump out of the COLDEST period in 10,000 years.

            “Its called latent heat.”

            WTF are you yabbering about.. That little squiggle is called “latent heat”? REALLY !!!

            You are really showing your incredible lack of any understanding of ANYTHING in your latest posts. !

            Get back on your dementia meds, you are in desperate need of them !!

          • spike55 says:

            “a human caused mass extinction event triggered directly by climate change is certain within 30 years”

            ROFLMAO.. The IDIOCY IT BURNS !!!

            Simple question little worm.

            In what way has the climate changed in the last 40 years that can be empirically connected to human cause rather than NATURAL climate variability.

            This will be HILARIOUS to see how much FACT-FREE GARBAGE you can come up with.

            Oh and don’t forget that paper with empirical evidence of warming by human released atmospheric CO2.

            Give us all another laugh, you poor gullible anti-science fool.

            We are waiting ! ;-)

    • arn says:

      Phil-
      the day you see a significant sea level rise (observable with your own eye= 3% of what Hanson predicted to happen with the drowning of maledives and lower manhattan)
      is the day you have a point with real world wide ice melt
      and that all those announced “record melts” are at least a little bit real.
      (though the arctic ice melt has no impact on,but ice melt is no isolated arctic monopol)

      Remember how silent you had been during this supercold winter
      and the fact that a single 95 F day in a hot desert region this summer gets more media coverage than this very cold winter.
      Have you ever wondered why?

      • Phil. says:

        arn says:
        July 22, 2019 at 8:12 pm
        Phil-
        the day you see a significant sea level rise (observable with your own eye= 3% of what Hanson predicted to happen with the drowning of maledives and lower manhattan)

        I’m not aware of any predictions by Hansen (sic) about the Maldives and the comment I’m aware of about Manhattan was about the West Side highway being flooded in 2028. Of course that won’t happen because the highway in question has been replaced (it was rather prone to flooding though).

        • spike55 says:

          “I’m not aware “

          Well; duh !!

          You seem to be perennially UNAWARE. !!

          • Phil. says:

            Since you claim to know of these predictions by Hansen perhaps you could give a source?

          • Gator says:

            While doing research 12 or 13 years ago, I met Jim Hansen, the scientist who in 1988 predicted the greenhouse effect before Congress. I went over to the window with him and looked out on Broadway in New York City and said, “If what you’re saying about the greenhouse effect is true, is anything going to look different down there in 20 years?” He looked for a while and was quiet and didn’t say anything for a couple seconds. Then he said, “Well, there will be more traffic.” I, of course, didn’t think he heard the question right. Then he explained, “The West Side Highway [which runs along the Hudson River] will be under water. And there will be tape across the windows across the street because of high winds. And the same birds won’t be there. The trees in the median strip will change.” Then he said, “There will be more police cars.” Why? “Well, you know what happens to crime when the heat goes up.”

            And so far, over the last 10 years, we’ve had 10 of the hottest years on record.

            Didn’t he also say that restaurants would have signs in their windows that read, “Water by request only.”

            Under the greenhouse effect, extreme weather increases. Depending on where you are in terms of the hydrological cycle, you get more of whatever you’re prone to get. New York can get droughts, the droughts can get more severe and you’ll have signs in restaurants saying “Water by request only.”

            When did he say this will happen?

            Within 20 or 30 years. And remember we had this conversation in 1988 or 1989.

            Does he still believe these things?

            Yes, he still believes everything. I talked to him a few months ago and he said he wouldn’t change anything that he said then.

            https://www.salon.com/control/2001/10/23/weather/

            But I’m sure Phail has already sat down with Slippin’ Jimmy and straightened him out. After all, Phail is all about accuracy. He would never let such ridiculous claims go unchallenged, unless he is being less than honest, and is actually a witless parroting troll.

          • Phil. says:

            Yes I am about accuracy which is why I quoted the date of 2028, since Reiss in his book ‘The Coming Storm’ said the following: “When I interviewe­­d James Hansen I asked him to speculate on what the view outside his office window could look like in 40 years with doubled CO2. I’d been trying to think of a way to discuss the greenhouse effect in a way that would make sense to average readers.”
            Notice he asked about ’40 years’ and ‘doubled CO2’.
            I also pointed out that the West Side Highway was demolished in 1989 so the whole scenario was impossible. However the present West Side Highway does get flooded regularly.
            https://tinyurl.com/y4ql6aca

            As I said above it was the prediction about the Maldives that I was unaware of, which you haven’t produced.

          • Gator says:

            Phail, you cannot possibly be as stupid as you pretend.

            While doing research 12 or 13 years ago, I met Jim Hansen, the scientist who in 1988 predicted the greenhouse effect before Congress. I went over to the window with him and looked out on Broadway in New York City and said, “If what you’re saying about the greenhouse effect is true, is anything going to look different down there in 20 years?” He looked for a while and was quiet and didn’t say anything for a couple seconds. Then he said, “Well, there will be more traffic.” I, of course, didn’t think he heard the question right. Then he explained, “The West Side Highway [which runs along the Hudson River] will be under water. And there will be tape across the windows across the street because of high winds. And the same birds won’t be there. The trees in the median strip will change.” Then he said, “There will be more police cars.” Why? “Well, you know what happens to crime when the heat goes up.”

            And so far, over the last 10 years, we’ve had 10 of the hottest years on record.

            Didn’t he also say that restaurants would have signs in their windows that read, “Water by request only.”

            Under the greenhouse effect, extreme weather increases. Depending on where you are in terms of the hydrological cycle, you get more of whatever you’re prone to get. New York can get droughts, the droughts can get more severe and you’ll have signs in restaurants saying “Water by request only.”

            When did he say this will happen?

            Within 20 or 30 years. And remember we had this conversation in 1988 or 1989.

            Does he still believe these things?

            Yes, he still believes everything. I talked to him a few months ago and he said he wouldn’t change anything that he said then.

            Hansen predicted this would all happen by now. Please show me where you have pestered Slippin’ Jimmy over his long record of failed predictions. Clearly if the West Side Highway were to have been UNDER WATER (and not just “occasionally flooded”), so would most of the Maldives.

            Come on Accu-Phailer! Show us you are something more than just a useful idiot. Show us that you are truly devoted to the truth and accuracy. (This will require you to disavow most of what you have posted here, there, and everywhere).

            Come on, don’t Phail us now! LOL

          • Phil. says:

            Hansen predicted this would all happen by now.
            He did not, he was answering the question about 40 years time and doubled CO2, neither of which have happened yet.

          • Gator says:

            He did not, he was answering the question about 40 years time and doubled CO2, neither of which have happened yet.

            Phail cannot read, won’t you send money to help poor children like Phail?

            When did he say this will happen?

            Within 20 or 30 years. And remember we had this conversation in 1988 or 1989.

            Or maybe Phail cannot do basic math, we know he is an idiot so it could be both. Clearly Phail cannot grasp that nothing Slippin’ Jimmy predicted has come to pass, or Phail is a big fat liar who pretends to care about truth and accuracy.

            Poor Phail! He has jumped the shark.

    • spike55 says:

      Poor Phail.

      Things just aren’t going the AGW cultist way are they petal. !

      Looking at the Russian sea ice chart.. all you can say is..

      DARN, THEY IS ONE HECK OF A LOT OF SEA ICE UP THERE

      And the Canadian Archipelago is CHOCKERS as well !!

      • Phil. says:

        I’ve no idea what the ‘AGW cultist way’ is, but I think it’s unlikely that this year will wind up higher than 2nd lowest minimum. Today’s extent is close to the 90’s minimum already. We’ll see who’s right at the end of the season.

        • spike55 says:

          “I’ve no idea what the ‘AGW cultist way’ is”

          Look in the mirror some day, little boy.

          Someone who thinks Arctic sea ice that is still in the top 5-10% of the last 10,000 years is somehow worth worrying about and that it proves anything.

          Someone who argues about minute changes every year as if they are actually important.

          The predictions from the AGW cultists were ZERO sea ice by whenever…. and they have been proven WRONG, WRONG, WRONG..

          … like you have been basically every time you poke you stupid little troll-like AGW cultist nose into the forum.

    • KevinPaul says:

      Although you’re unaware of it Phil, we all clearly see you’re desperately in need of deprogramming. Do yourself a favour mate.
      https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/07/16/solar-update-july-2019/

      • spike55 says:

        Poor desperate little AGW cultist monkey/parrot/troll just cannot see REALITY.

        Its brain is operating at less than ZERO SELF-THOUGHT level, as always.

        DESPITE the meandering jet stream effectively pumping energy from the tropics to the Arctic, WHERE IT COOLS RAPIDLY,…

        Arctic sea ice is still going to end up around the same as the last several years

        (unless there is a recurrence of 2012 storms to break it up)

        All the Arctic scare mongers have been proven WRONG.

        Arctic sea ice extents are STILL in the top 5-10% of the last 10,000 years

      • Phil. says:

        I think you mean programming Kevin. I did look at the WUWT page and as Leif said ” SC25 will be stronger than SC24. Somewhere between SC20 and SC24. The notion of a new cold period [starting in 2005] is not supported by the data.”

  3. Brian D says:

    Looks like a ridge of high pressure will build in this week across the basin, keeping temps near 0C even into the Canadian Archipelago. Looks like snows increasing across Greenland, too.

  4. Bob Hoye says:

    I don’t think DMI numbers have been corrupted. As to Tony’s comments on recent cooling, Canada has a site that plots Snow Cover Extent on a daily basis.
    Going into the meltiest part of the melt season, Extent is not just at the high-side of the deviation band, it is well above.
    Even higher than last year at this week.
    https://www.ccin.ca/home/sites/default/files/snow/snow_tracker/nh_sce.png

  5. Gamecock says:

    ‘There has been almost no melting in the Arctic Basin over the past few days, and this is supposed to be peak melt season.’

    Great! How many lives will be saved?

    • Phil. says:

      ‘There has been almost no melting in the Arctic Basin over the past few days, and this is supposed to be peak melt season.’

      Great! How many lives will be saved?

      Well unfortunately since the statement is untrue we’ll never know.

      • spike55 says:

        YAWN,

        Poor PHAIL, is in DENIAL

        MASIE, Central Arctic

        6th July: 3177186
        20th July: 3177570

        OOPS .. What a PHAILURE, is Phil !!

        • Phil. says:

          Well my earlier response to this disappeared so I’ll try again.
          ‘There has been almost no melting in the Arctic Basin over the past few days, and this is supposed to be peak melt season.’
          All the data Tony posted was for the Arctic as a whole not the Central Basin, his comment that this is the “peak melt season” only makes sense in that context since this is only the beginning of the melt in the Central Basin.
          You, however, try to make it about the Central Basin, in which case you demonstrate that it’s only the beginning of the season (inappropriately using Masie),
          So either way Tony is wrong.

          • spike55 says:

            PHAIL can’t even READ

            Tony said ” The ARCTIC BASIN”

            FFS, open your eyes, you clueless git !!

          • Phil. says:

            Yes he did and if you open your eyes you’ll see that I accurately quoted him. Unfortunately what Tony said was wrong, as I pointed out.

  6. scott allen says:

    Not to be picky but even the DMI cherry picks the data.

    The graph shows the mean and medium (in gray and a middle line) but continues to use the 1981 thru 2000 data as their mean. This leaves out the next 19 years worth of data, which if used, would show a closer to normal ice melt for the last 5 to 15 years. They do the same thing with the Greenland ice budget mass index.

    • spike55 says:

      “1981 thru ……… ”

      Starting near the late 1970s when there was an EXTREME ANOMALOUS HIGH,

      … levels only seen during the Little Ice Age.

    • rah says:

      I agree that DMI does fudge, but they are more honest than the rest it seems.

  7. John F. Hultquist says:

    Just to be clear:
    Regardless of what ice does or what emissions of gases there are:
    Earth can cool and warm without the help of humans.
    Thus, there is no climate XYZ (insert favorite term).
    Further, there is no need to have a Green New Deal, or any other deal.

    • Robertv says:

      If you like humanity the Green(Red) New Deal is the worst way to go. The Democrats (progressives) leaders, who are all part of the by them so hated 1%, hate the poor. You can’t have both Big (Brother) Government and Freedom.

  8. Nelson says:

    Anyone familiar with the data knows that the AMO cycle plays a big role in artic ice. I would argue that the right way to present the data is to condition it on the point of the AMO cycle. It makes no statistical sense to take the period 1981-2000 for averaging purposes. I is like taking Oct-Mar temperature in NH to create an average.

  9. Tel says:

    The Arctic is well on track to be Ice Free* by 2016, so let’s see if you are still denying the climate when that happens, huh? After that it will be ice free by 2014 and again in 2013.

    * No ice = 1 million square kilometers of ice (duh … obviously).

  10. Carl DEVON, PhD, MA, so f-u says:

    Phil, you need to ignore these retards. I suspect they are republican Trump dick suckers, whose aim is to quash all intelligence and true science with juvenile personal attacks (phail), and adherence to lies and theft of your humanity. Ditch these retards.

    • tonyheller says:

      This is fairly typical comment by progressives, projecting Carl Devon’s own disgusting, vile behavior and mentality onto others. The inability of progressives to understand their own behavior is quite disturbing.

      • Gator says:

        They are totally self unaware Tony, and this explains their inescapable proclivity for psychological projection.

    • Gerald Machnee says:

      Is this the best a PhD can do?
      I am impressed. Piled it higher.

    • Gator says:

      Carl, maybe you can help me. I cannot find where the alarmo-grantologists have ever done the preliminary work to disprove natural variability, or where they have ever been able to identify and quantify that which they claim to study.

      1- List all climate forcings, order them from most to least effectual, and then quantify them all.

      2- Please provide even one peer reviewed paper that refutes natural variability as the cause of recent, or any, global climate changes.

      There is nothing unusual or unprecedented about our climate, or how we got here. For 4,500,000,000 years climates have always changed, naturally. This means there has been a set precedent, and the burden of proof falls on natural climate change deniers like yourself.

      So who are the retards, Carl? Those who blindly accept unsupported claims (swallowing the wad whole), or those of us who can prove that the alarmo-fascist grantologists claims are not supported by science.

      I just love watching self inflated lettermen melt down and start flailing with obscenities, after their science has failed them. LOL

      • Disillusioned says:

        Wow Carl,

        How about you stop with the sophomoric vulgarities and trying to one-up others with insults, and just answer Gator’s bullets. You clearly *think* you know the science, so if you really do it should be verrrry easy to provide it.

        Step up to the plate, Carl.

        If there is really a CO2 problem, show me. If there’s actually a problem with CO2, just show me the data and make me an AGW believer all over again. (I was one for 20 years.)

        Come on Carl. Convince me with hard data – that CO2 is the “heat-trapping” warming monster you believe it is. Prove to me you are not just another religious Apologist believing in an empty, global government-pushed, faith-based, hyped-pothesis – and that there really is some solid science, with empirical proof, behind the AGW hyped-pothesis.

        Come on Carl. Make me a scared believer once again.

        Waiting.

        • Lorne says:

          Since you asked. Why is the Arctic warming 3x faster than the rest of the planet or at the highest latitudes as much as 5x faster? It has to do with the trajectory of light through greater atmospheric thicknesses with elevated greenhouse gas concentrations.

          https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/courses-images/wp-content/uploads/sites/250/2017/04/25225142/800px-Oblique_rays_02_Pengo.png

          As the light comes toward the surface of the Earth in the Arctic, it has to travel through 3 to 4 times the atmospheric thickness as opposed to, say, the equator and as a consequence face colliding with all the extra greenhouse gases. 40 years ago, the Arctic melted for just a few days a year. Today, the Arctic melts for 10 t0 12 weeks and growing. The #1 reason why? elevated Co2 concentrations.

          The extra atmospheric thickness light has to travel through in the Arctic coupled with much higher C02 and C02 equivalents, is the reason why we see greenhouse gassing on steroids and faster warming in higher latitudes. There is no other rational explanation for this. You want simple to understand science of the greenhouse effect from greenhouse gases, there it is, laid out so that even the mind of a child can understand and while I’m on the subject of dumbing it down and making it simple, to the creator of this blog, why is ice extent the big focus? Its ice volume we should be concerned about! In the Arctic, we are at record lows currently and all indications are that we will see ice free summers within 5 years. In that light, we should be alarmed:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo3cznpfIpA&t=6s

          Not sure why alarm is a bad thing btw. Its like getting diagnosed with ass cancer. Alarm is good. You don’t run red lights getting to the doctors office but you get there 15 minutes early. You eat more fiber, less meat, lower sugar consumption, do the research and change needed lifestyles. Alarm is good!

          It’s panic that is bad. You run red lights to get to the doctors office, quit your day job, do a run on your bank and buy hookers and blow panicked “cause there is no tomorrow”. Alarm good! Panic bad. Get it?

          Meanwhile, its July 25th, high pressure systems are now covering the majority of the Arctic as one can clearly see here:

          https://climatereanalyzer.org/wx/DailySummary/#mslp

          Meaning most of the Arctic continues to melt 24/7:

          https://climatereanalyzer.org/wx/DailySummary/#t2

          So… why the histrionics? “The Arctic stopped melting, the Arctic stopped melting”, did it? The majority of the Arctic was melting 24/7 days ago. Might make for a good headline to get climate deniers worked up in a foam and lather but. just. not. true.

          • Gator says:

            Ice melts Lorna. There is currently more ice in the Arctic today than the average of the past 9000 years.

            See how simple it is to destroy alarmist hysteria?

          • spike55 says:

            Why is the Arctic warming 3x faster than the rest of the planet

            IT’S NOT !!

            No warming at all this century apart from the gradually subsiding El Nino event.

            YOUR ignorance spews out YET AGAIN, lawn

          • spike55 says:

            MASIE, last 12 years

            https://i.postimg.cc/13r2nTGp/MASIE_2007-2019.png

            What is the trend, little grub infested lawn.

          • spike55 says:

            Did you know that the Greenland ice area is only just a tiny drop from its HIGHEST in over 8000 years?

            https://i.postimg.cc/VkYrnZhL/Greenland-Ice-Sheet-Briner.jpg

            Did you know that the late 1970s had an ANOMALOUSLY EXTREME HIGH Arctic sea ice extend, up there with the LIA?

            https://i.postimg.cc/4x4xCnCd/Icelandic_sea_ice_index_2.png

            Did you know that there was NO ATMOSPHEIC WARMING from 1980-1997

            https://i.postimg.cc/fyv8vcRh/RSS_V4_before_El_Nino.png

            And NO ATMOSPHERIC Warming between 2001 and 2015

            https://i.postimg.cc/SxQy4C6M/RSS_V4_2001_-_2015.png

            That means that there was NO WARMING apart from El Nino events in the last 40+ years

            You aren’t seriously going to try to pretend that Humans released CO2 causes El Nino events are you, lawn-grub?

            Or that human CO2 can heat the oceans.

            Especially when we have had the HIGHEST ACCUMULATED of SOLAR ENERGY in over 500 years !!!

            https://i.postimg.cc/kXY6wb1Y/Grand-Solar-Maximum.png

            You do know that the Ocean Heat Content is currently far less than it was 2000 years ago, Don’t you.

            https://i.postimg.cc/zGjnSbzn/OHC_in_perspective_2.jpg

            Once you learn to ACCEPT THE FACT that if anything, the world is on the COOLER side of “NORMAL, rather than mindlessly regurgitating endless AGW propaganda pap, you can break out of the UTTER PANIC and HYSTERIA that has such a grip on your feeble little mind, and get back to a productive life.

            But you are WAY too far gone to manage the remotest of self-thought, aren’t you lawn grub..

          • Disillusioned says:

            Lorne asked, “…why is the Arctic warming 3x faster than the rest of the planet or at the highest latitudes as much as 5x faster…”

            Hello Lorne,

            IF that were true, then that’s great! Now YOU must make your case as to why that happened. Not I! I cannot prove a negative, nor am I required to. As a scientist, YOU must state your hypothesis (that it is because of atmospheric CO2).

            Furthermore, YOU, as the accuser of atmospheric CO2, you are obligated to show – unequivocally – that no other possibility exists for the warming that occured. If you cannot, then you have a HUGE problem, Lorne. That is the scientific method.

            Lorne, read my moniker. I am a former AGW believer. Science is about the scientific method. It is not about government-funded, pal reviewed consensusees. I have found – much to my dismay – that climate scientists, politicians and the MSM abhor the scientific method!! They rely on consensus! It is my opinion that you support consensus ‘science’. That’s not science. Sorry to disappoint you, but it is not real science. It is government-funded junk science.

            If you do not believe that you have been duped by government-funded junk science, that is fine. Begin to prove I am wrong by answering gator’s request:

            1- List all climate forcings, order them from most to least effectual, and then quantify them all.

            2- Please provide even one peer reviewed paper that refutes natural variability as the cause of recent, or any, global climate changes.

            Thank you for hanging in there and diligently trying to support your beliefs with links to other believers like yourself. I did the same things for a long time. That is until I became disillusioned by reality, and I eventually swallowed my pride. ;-)

            There is no Climate Crisis or emergency.

            May God bless you Lorne. And may you become disillusioned. Instead of trying to protect your beliefs, try to keep your mind open to facts that come your way.

            Disillusionment is a grand thing!

          • KevinPaul says:

            I know what would help you Lorne. Carry a length of garden hose, when you feel the urge to squeeze out a fart, stick one end up your rectum and the other in your mouth, let rip and at the same time breathe in deeply, and hold onto it as long as you can. I’m sure this will vastly help avert a climate emergency, but likewise impede the planets recovery from the last collective eruptive events of the early 19th century.

          • spike55 says:

            “Alarm good! Panic bad.”

            And there is no reason for either.

            So why that ALARM and the MANICALLY IDIOTIC PANIC.

            arghhhh.. oh we only have 5 years .. scream and wail, carry-on like a complete galah. etc

            YOU ARE AN IDIOT, lawn

            The grubs in your lawn have more intelligence than you do.

            The only thing to be alarmed about is the Marxist/socialist totalitarian agenda behind the AGW farce.

            Climate isn’t doing anything of any significance.

        • spike55 says:

          “As the light comes toward the surface of the Earth in the Arctic, it has to travel through 3 to 4 times the atmospheric thickness as opposed to, say, the equator and as a consequence face colliding with all the extra greenhouse gases. “

          What a LOAD OF COMPLETE ANTI-SCIENCE BOLLOCKS

          You aren’t just CLUELESS,

          You are in an SCIENCE-FANTASY of brain-hosed ignorance sludge.

          Everybody is DUMBER from reading your IDIOTIC FACT-FREE GARBAGE

          • spike55 says:

            Just for lawn-grub, to try and ease his CLUELESSNESS,

            Solar energy is shortwave, CO2 only absorbs in the long wave spectrum

            But actual basic science is obviously WAY BEYONG this little grub’s comprehension.

          • spike55 says:

            BEYOND.

            comes from typing with toast in one hand. !! :-)

    • Robertv says:

      He, She, It etc doesn’t really sound like a decent human being.

      ‘a man, woman, or child of the species Homo sapiens , distinguished from other animals by superior mental development, power of articulate speech, and upright stance.’
      (Google translator)

      Let them never have power.
      https://youtu.be/AsbqoytInTY

    • spike55 says:

      Carl’s got an MA…

      Was your PhD in finger painting, little boy, or just a study of finger painting because you can’t do it yourself.?

      Your intelligence is squashed into a ball so small it cannot be seen.

      I doubt you have even the slightest inkling of what “true science” is. !

      Join phail in the non-entity bin where you belong.

    • KevinPaul says:

      Yelling your surname DEVON, tis strange, does this mean we are meant to recognise it?
      Well sorry mate I’ve never heard of you.
      When I see someone on a blog listing their schooling history after their name, I straight away recognise this is a person who has little confidence in their own debating abilities. They feel the need to try and bolster the weight of their comments, and hopefully intimidate others into accepting them as gospel without question. Although all it really shows is they have an ability to remember facts and figures and regurgitate them at the appropriate time.

      Little did you know you also revealed your Emotional Quotient in that post. The lewd connotations and hypocritical way you accuse us of doing exactly what you proceed to do is hardly elementary school level, at your age I suspect it is retarded.

      I bet you’re a Doctor of Art Therapy, and a Master of Music Theatre, I don’t know what ‘so f-u’ stands for… likely, school orchestra fiddle-undergrad?

      • spike55 says:

        The really big question is…

        … does Carl’s MA qualify him to work at Starbucks !!

      • Gator says:

        When I see someone on a blog listing their schooling history after their name, I straight away recognise this is a person who has little confidence in their own debating abilities.

        Absolutely correct. He is attempting an appeal to his own alleged authority.

        That is part of the reason why I use a nom de plume. It takes the wind out of ad hominem attacks, and focuses the debate on the science itself.

        • spike55 says:

          “alleged authority.”

          An MA and a non-descript PhD bare ABSOLUTELY NO AUTHORITY in science of any sort.

          The presumed authority exists only in his own soggy, egotistical, leftist, barely-functional mind.

  11. Gator says:

    Carl is likely one of those who would agree with this sick statement…

    If electoral democracy is inadequate to the task of addressing climate change, and the task is the most urgent one humanity faces, then other kinds of politics are urgently needed. The most radical alternative of all would be to consider moving beyond democracy altogether. The authoritarian Chinese system has some advantages when it comes to addressing climate change: One-party rule means freedom from electoral cycles and less need for public consultation. Technocratic solutions that put power in the hands of unelected experts could take key decisions out of the hands of voters.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/07/20/democracy-is-the-planets-biggest-enemy-climate-change/?fbclid=IwAR3p5dDcwIFPnkzy6mhVEESBuINZA8uuflZvU1VDrm42BOUtQHINlbgpG0w

    The author is David Walter Runciman, who “teaches politics and history at Cambridge University, where he is Head of the Department of Politics and International Studies, Professor of Politics, and a fellow of Trinity Hall, Cambridge”.

    Let me put it in terms Carl can understand. Baaaaaaaa-aaaaaaa-aaaaaaa.

  12. vortlobe says:

    Speaking of Arctic Alarmist crisis….here’s a new one….and it’s UNPRECEDENTED!

    https://public.wmo.int/en/media/news/unprecedented-wildfires-arctic

    • David of Aussie says:

      Funny how these Arctic wildfire doomsayer stories all rely on animations and satellite photos with painted on yellow fires. Surely if it’s that catastrophic it wouldn’t be hard to get real on the ground fire footage. I’m calling Fake News.

    • KevinPaul says:

      “The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) was established by the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) and the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) in 1988.”
      We know the IPCC (International Panel of Corrupt Climate scientists) is an absolute farce, how could the WMO that spawned it be any different, it can’t, they’re all forged by the same socialist hammer on the same agenda anvil.

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