According to experts at the University of Colorado, sea level east of the Philippines is rising at about 15 mm/year. However, their own data shows sea level at that location falling 36 mm/year since late 2010.
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thanks for this!
Is one worked out from GRACE and the other from tide gauges?
It is all the same satellite data. Almost all of the rise occurred before 1998.
Thanks. That tells me the ‘Pacific warm pool’ is cooling fast.
http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00KeNTPWQnZhku/Water-Slide-Hill-Side-WS-038-.jpg
What dates apply to the graph?
Can you share how you got the information for this particular area?
If it is basically flat since 1998, and falling strongly since 2010, what was the yearly rise from the beginning of the graph until 1998?
Thanks in advance
David A
Hi Steven
Could you advise of the actual situation at Kwajalein Atoll, part of the Republic of the Marshall Islands, please?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-27742957
Further to my above request, the BBC persists with retaining its article’s title: “Climate change ‘helps seas disturb Japanese war dead’ ”
Yet research indicates that the skeletons were discovered in an islet on Kwajalein Atoll by a resident digging for coral gravel on the beach at the base of the local landfill. The remains were between 2cm from the surface and 50cm.
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How fast is the Pacific cooling? Pretty fast by the look of the sea level data.
PSMSL says
Palu 3.3 mm/yr
Yap 2.6 mm/yr
Guam 4.8 mm/yr
Saipan 2.5 mm/yr
Appears to be a climate science ethics problem more than a climate change problem.
Whatever happened to chief of climate ethics; Peter Gleick? Oh, that’s right….he grubered himself.
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Fun Project for you SG
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seasonal.extent.1900-2010.png
what would an updated graph look like? Notice how they STOPPED at 2010.It really makes this site look extremely unprofessional don’t you thinK?
Eliza, did you also notice how the numbers for the first half of the 20th century are largely flat? This smells of someone’s rigged computer model. What kind of hard data did they have during that period? Also, this flies in the face of scientific expeditions at that time, when scientists were astounded by the huge variation in ice from year to year.
Also, what happened to the big peak in 1979? Did that get computer-modeled or proxied out of existence as well?
Dozens of tourists cut off from the world by storm snow near Mount Everest.
http://www.worldbulletin.net/world/150725/dozens-of-trekkers-cut-off-by-snowfall-near-mount-everest
i shared your link on FB and Chris replied this: probably better phrased as “don’t trust people with an agenda, who hypocritically use a subset of data to tell the part of the story that agrees with their premise”
https://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/figure-34.png
By 2100 all trade routes will have to diverge around the massive hump of water rising 40 meters or more in the Western Pacific.
Look at the bright side. By then they’ll be really good at building those big towers for wind turbines and we can use a bunch of them to build a “surf lift” just like a ski lift on a mountain. (Since there won’t be any more snow those ski lift companies will be dying for work.) That way the surfers won’t have to paddle out to a wave, they can just ride to the top on the lift. Invest now before it’s too late.
“don’t trust people who plot linear long term trends through obviously unsupportable cyclical phenomena”
Just because sea level there is 100 mm lower now than 1998, is no reason to think it isn’t rising 10 mm/year – unless you have the IQ of a turnip.
Just because sea level there is 100 mm lower now than 1998
So show the data since 1998, Steve.
For crying out loud you’ve shown a plot of Sea level date (with trend) covering JUST 4 YEARS. Never mind, you’ve got Tallbloke all excited . He thinks his solar-driven cooling has started to kick in.
Sea level is falling since 2010. Do you have trouble reading the short text of the article, or interpreting the significance of it?
Why should he be required to link to something that he’s not discussing? His post says “their own data shows sea level at that location falling 36 mm/year since late 2010.” If you’re confused by 2- & 4-digit numbers, you should just say so.
stevengoddard says:
December 15, 2014 at 12:14 am
Sea level is falling since 2010.
Yes we can see that, but a fall over a few years – particularly in that area of the world – could be due to several reasons.
You are the one making the point about the fall since 1998 – so show the data since 1998. Better still show all the data then we can judge whether there has been real fall since 1998.
Why should he be required to link to something that he’s not discussing?
He’s mentioned 1998 at least twice in this thread. – so he has discussed “it”
Let me make this simple for you:
A big dip in sea level in a relatively small region of the world over 4 years (El Nino -> La Nina) is completely irrelevant in any debate about ocean cooling. However a sustained dip over a period of 15 years might – just might – be of more interest.
A big dip in sea level in a relatively small region of the world over 4 years (El Nino -> La Nina) is completely irrelevant in any debate about ocean cooling. However a sustained dip over a period of 15 years might – just might – be of more interest.
You keep saying that, but then you don’t link to the actual data. Why not?
I suspect that if the numbers since 1998 somehow made some point you might have in your inane ramblings you would have already linked to them. Since you haven’t, I’m sure you already know they don’t have any bearing on what you’re trying to get other people to discuss despite the title & body of the post in question. Maybe you should get your own weblog & post your own topics & discuss the silliness you can’t stop babbling about there instead of clotting up the comments of other people’s sites with your ignorance.
You keep saying that, but then you don’t link to the actual data. Why not?
Are you having trouble following this discussion? Steve is saying that there has been a dip since 1998. I haven’t said anything about 1998 other than to request to see the data which shows the dip since 1998.
I don’t know if there is any data which shows a sea level dip in this part of the world since 1998. If I could find it I would show it. Steve says there is a dip but has chosen (so far) not to provide the evidence.
Look at the Tisdale graph above , John Finn
Tom Moran says:
December 15, 2014 at 3:56 am
Look at the Tisdale graph above , John Finn
Ok, thanks, Tom. It’s as I suspected there’s no real fall in sea levels. Steve has chosen a region of the world which has highly variable sea levels and shown a period of 4 years beginning with the peak of the 2010 El Nino.
I don’t know why he does it. He occasionally comes up with one or two genuine flaws and errors in ‘warmist’ data. He’s clearly not stupid which, in a way, makes it all the worse because he knows exactly what he’s doing.
Still credit where it’s due I can’t ever recall him censoring a post – unlike the Guardian, Tamino, and a number other pro-AGW blogs.
John Finnicky, he points to that region because it is the one area that allegedly has enough increase to keep Colorado happy with its approximately 3mm/yr rise. Without that area we would not see much difference in before 1980 and post 1980 slr.
You really need to pay attention so you don’t have to have the stupid guys explain stuff to you.
No, John Finn, I do not think you get it… Warmists use this region to claim sea levels are rising at 15mm/year. I believe Steve is pointing out the hypocrisy of using this cyclical trend since nearly all of the gain happened prior to 1998 and sea levels have fallen over 100 mm since 2010 “don’t trust people who plot linear long term trends through obviously unsupportable cyclical phenomena”
Just because sea level there is 100 mm lower now than 1998, is no reason to think it isn’t rising 10 mm/year – unless you have the IQ of a turnip.
If you look at the sea level map from Jason2, the second newest satellite, has sea level declining around the Phillipines as well. So does the US Navy’s GLBhycom model.
http://www.aviso.altimetry.fr/fileadmin/images/data/Products/indic/msl/MSL_Map_J2_Global_IB_RWT_NoGIA_Adjust.gif
The new European Satellite, Saral (without all the adjustments included), has sea level rising at just 0.234 mms/year since 2013).
http://www.aviso.altimetry.fr/fileadmin/images/data/Products/indic/msl/MSL_Serie_AL_Global_NoIB_RWT_NoGIA_Adjust.gif
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AND,
The other “Real” is giving up.
Gavin, Mann, Pierrehumbert, and Ray Bradley’s day-to-day roles will be passed on. Stefan, Eric, David and Rasmus will continue to contribute, though perhaps not at the same rate. Looking for new blood.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2014/12/ten-years-of-realclimate-where-now/
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Down is up, cold is warm and pigs can fly when you are feeling mellow!
Centinel…..”pigs can fly”…..that ,in AGW terms, would be….” pigs could fly. ,pigs should fly,.pigs might fly,.pigs probably will fly,.pigs are likely to fly., pigs are expected to fly.
I’ve been looking for these pigs for about 30yrs now…no sign of even one pig yet.
You were not around when I was catching piglets with a butterfly net. (I thought our vet would laugh himself sick.)
I do the same thing with a 24″ aluminum boat net. Only used on pigs once, but works great for cats. (Wear welding gloves and leather when removing cat from net… dangerous!)
MYSTERY SOLVED!
The land sank andwas ejected in Indonesia. /sarc
Strong eruption and major pyroclastic flow observed at Sinabung volcano, Indonesia
It makes as much sense as most Climastrology Bafflegab.
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These stories about sea level rise warm my heart.
maybe someone jiggled their bamboo stick thingy.
water on the average stays level. that’s why it is called “sea level”. of course there are tides, waves, and miniscule effects from water temperature variations, but water temp variations could never cause one region to be 40 meters higher and make ships trudge uphill in the sea against the grade, even in the greatest hypothetical temperture changes.
of course the land may rise and fall, and hypothetically balances of material on the spinning earth could shift causing extreme changes in water distribution…
there again maybe all of reality is a sort of dream so what do I know.