Anyone who hasn’t devoted their life to mindless global warming hysteria is a “radical.”
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http://www.bukisa.com/articles/321679_super-eruptions-with-volcanic-explosivity-index-of-7 Just wait till one of these happens again, in a way it will be funny
you didn’t read the article.. Steve you REALLY have to start reading what you post!
What it ACTUALLY SAYS is “Anyone who hasn’t devoted their life to mindless global warming hysteria…[insert]… and believes that God is going to magically protect the world from ANYTHING man does is a “radical.”
that last part is the important section
Which God? The head of IPCC or Al Gore’s God taxes?
The purpose of faith is to improve the life of the believer. Some religions (like global warming) demand that the believer be miserable and frightened.
Which should I choose? Someone who has faith in good, or someone who has faith in evil?
I prefer this religion – reality
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8Aurpr68uE&feature=player_embedded#!
if you are far enough away and have enough Jack Daniels (or wild turkey, depending on your budget).
Your point being of course that massive volcanic eruptions can drastically effect climate for a couple of years, whereas CO2 only can effect climate for hundreds of years.
The big volcanic eruption can cause a tipping point which causes the temperature to drop. Of course you have no experience of this, as in your short lifespan none have happened, but they are quite frequent. A lot happened before the 1800 century. Probably in combinations with solar occurrences. The solar relationship with volcanoes could also be a factor as activity in the sun can also effect them so this is a possibility.
Anyway, the consensus now is that global warming isn’t occuring anyway according to Scientific America readers who would actually have functioning thinking brains http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/553695/201011121850/A-New-Consensus.htm
Well, Scarlet, please describe to me the Tambora eruption. I guess you must have been in Indonesia then. You must be dutch. You are right I am WAAY too young to remember that.
And you really need to get better music with that video. Coldplay is SOO 2004 . Rasputina has a GREAT song about the Tambora eruption. “1816, the year without a summer”
It will have to be a pretty big eruption to counter the effect of CO2. and the consequences of that are going to be more severe and instant than global warming alarmists in their wildest dreams. Goody a volcanic alarmist on this site to balance out the warming alarmists! I ma sure you and Mike can make the calculations for the next big one. I bet Mike will narrow it down to within the next 10,000 years, so it is a testable scientific theory!
I have been to Indonesia before, as one of my hobbies is visiting volcanoes. I’ll be in Indonesia in 2 weeks time actually.
Tambora I plan to visit in the future. Have a look at the hole 1.2km deep, the mountain used to be 4km high, this actually wasn’t even a big eruption compared to what can happen or has happened in the past
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtfqNpPpH8k&feature=player_embedded
Taupo around 186AD was even bigger….
Anyway, we can only have “tipping points” when it’s hot?
A National Geographic Channel documentary called Earth Shocks portrayed the destructive impact of the rapid eruption at Lake Toba approximately 75,000 years ago, which is thought to have caused a phenomenon known as the Millennial Ice Age that lasted for about 1,000 years and killed an estimated 60–75% of the human population of the time.
🙂
I’m sure Al Gore would get excited about this, Eugenics!
Scarlet. thank goodness you ARE a volcanic alarmist.
Yup no climate scientist believes there have been or ever will be devastating volcanic eruptions.
I guess we should start pumping even larger amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere to really stoke up the temp because it has been 75,000 years since the last killer volcano and that means we are almost certain to have one in the next 10- or 20 years,… or 10,000.
I also have been to indonesia and stood on the amazing rim of of the caldera overlooking the batur volcano
People are so childish, geological time will fix them all
http://factoidz.com/worlds-largest-and-deadliest-volcanic-eruptions-in-history/
I’m starting to think that the 1500 +/-400 years Bond event is just the earth burping up a VEI 7+ eruption. We havn’t even had any large ones for a while, Pinatubo was pretty big and 1912 Novaerupta, but we havn’t had something like a Tambora or Tapou eruption for a very very long time….
Urgh, you make me feel so depressed I think I’ll go bury myself in a subduction zone.
Anyway Tvashtar was about VEI 8 and that was only back in 2006. Didn’t hurt a fly.
186AD Taupo was a nice juicy one in recent time. I guess it couldn’t or didn’t happen since satellites did not see it?
http://www.nzgeothermal.org.nz/education/images/big/b-eruptions.jpg
The Yellow Stone Caldera is waiting for you! It is expanding and getting ready to go any day now. They figure the last time it blew it took out all life in North America and Europe.
Yellowstone is late thousands of years, but I don’t think it’s coming yet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supervolcano
Yellowstone is not the only supervolcano, there are many all over the world. USA has a few actually you probably live on one LOL and don’t even know.
North of the Great Smokies in the Ridge and Valley region of East Tennessee where all historic volcano activity is under sea floor sediment. I do live 30 miles south of the large Meteor Crater that Middlesboro, KY was built in. I used to live on the side of a dormant volcano in Southern Nevada and as a teenager spent time playing Pock Hound finding Geodes and such that were formed by volcano activity.
I just thought I would add the Yellow Stone one for those in the Eastern US. For those in the North West there is Mount Ranier and Mount Adams with Mount Adams being the one most likely and to be the most destructive for the region.
Seattle is due for a megathrust tsunami like Sumatra, but don’t worry they’ll fix global warming 1st lol
I’m afraid I have to disagree with your comment on religion, Steve. Though there is an agenda of life improvement, that improvement tends to be to the lives of those who control it. Rather than making the believers feel happy, religions rely on threats, on making people to feel guilty and requiring them to do penance (and pay money) in order to be saved. Doubt is dangerous and is not to be tolerated.
Religion is about control – and so is the Church of Climatology.
Not in any religion I’m a part of. What religion makes you pay money to be saved?
“Religion is about control …”
My God is the Father of freedom. He gave man the original choice. Personally, I only feel guilty when I’ve erred.
Prejudge much?
Did you ever read about indulgences in the Catholic faith or hear the fundamentalists preachers along with the evangelists.
My Grand Fathers were fundamentalist preachers and my father became a Missionary in Portland Oregon after my mother left him because of his religious beliefs.
I would not think to limit this conversation to Christianity because records show fear and indulgences / sacrifice / Tithing are a large part of all religions even if your preacher claims other wise.
According to the Bible, Your God is also a Jealous God. Jealousy shows one who is possessive and insecure and those two attributes are in opposition to Freedom and Loving.
Read and understand that religions are the creation of Man to control others. That is history and not “Prejudge”.
Churches also promote separatism and tribalism while claiming the opposite.
Mike pleased to know that I disagree with you about religion too.
Not that what you say is all wrong, but that you attach your apparently overriding absoluteness to your criticism.
Not that I agree with Scarlet, but I do sympathize with her, being as she is a deluded tool of one of the evil religious cabals.
Mike, I’m sorry you have such a mis-understanding of what Christianity is about. It is absolutely about freedom and choices. God doesn’t take control of your eternal soul, he gives it to you. By my estimation, that is the ultimate in concepts of freedom. Yes, I’ve read about indulgences in the history of the Catholic faith. I also know that that wasn’t biblical in its mandate. Are there bad people in all walks of life and faiths? Yes. Declaring a faith doesn’t ensure piety. Are there hucksters out there wishing to prey upon other people? Of course there are. Do that mean they are representative of the faith in general? History is full of man’s foibles and follies. To attach a few instances to some meaningful connection to religion is an awful stretch.
BTW, do you think it is appropriate to attach a 17th century translation of a word to a meaning you have come to understand it in the 21st? I really doubt the author or the scribes meant to convey God as being insecure. Why don’t you try to take another stab at understanding that passage.
SUYTS,
Very well said. hopefully there will be other things we can agree on in the future. Though I think that there are quite a bit more than a “few” instances of men’s follies around religion.
Sorry, can’t find any reason to be sarcastic here.
suyts:
I do know what Christianity claims to be about. Theory and reality throughout history provide evidence of opposing results. A minority of Christians today follow the love and understanding aspect of the religion. You may be part of that group. I had a conversation with a cousin the other day that is still part of the other side of the religion.
It is a statistical thing!
Stephen Stromberg is a small man. It is amazing how guys like him don’t care about the truth.
“When we blindly adopt a religion, a political system, a literary dogma, we become automatons. We cease to grow.”
~Anais Nin
“I am miserable, you must be miserable too.”
~Mao Zedong
“All religions are founded on the fear of the many and the cleverness of the few.”
~Stendhal
The most telling statement in the article……….”Gee, I guess we didn’t really need to worry about that thermonuclear war thing for all those years, either, …….”
Uhmm, yeh, hotrod, it seems the Ruskies aren’t going to nuke us after all, and it looks like we’re not going to nuke them, so no, you really didn’t have to worry about it, we didn’t have to make those insipidly vapid movies, build nuke bomb shelters, have hide under the desk drills or any other that stuff. Turns out, it was a complete and total waste of time, energy, effort and money. Remember all the holes people dug in the ground and place a hollow steel and cement enclosure in it? Stock full of water and can goods!
And nobody learned. And we’re doing the same stuff again. I think we should start a dance craze called the Chicken Little. First, form something like a conga line and then on cue everyone run around aimlessly, wildly flapping your arms and screaming we’re all going to die, we’re all going to die!!! Maybe to the tune of some death metal or some such…..