All energy flow is driven by differences in energy, not absolute energy.
Team climate moron tells us that global warming produces stronger storms, because “there is more energy in the system.” The level of stupidity behind that remark defies explanation.
Consider a battery. It does nothing until the positive and negative terminals are connected. It is the difference in energy which drives electricity flow.
Consider a high pressure system. There is little wind, until a low pressure system comes nearby. It is the difference in pressure which drives the wind.
Tornadoes occur in the spring, because warm wet air comes in contact with cold dry air. It is the difference in energy and humidity which drives the tornado.
Tropical Storm Sandy was so large, because it intersected with very cold Arctic air. It was the difference in energy which drove the storm.
Venus is uniformly hot, and has no storms and almost no wind. There are no energy differences on the surface of Venus.
Bottom line is that global warming should produce less severe weather, because of polar amplification The difference in energy between the poles and the equator is reduced.
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“All energy flow is driven by differences in energy, not absolute energy.”
What I have heard is that hurricane strength was correlated with sea water temperature. But if you think about it, on this planet, if you have very warm temperatures somewhere, you often have cold temperatures somewhere else. So warm sea temperatures are correlated with cold temperatures somewhere else. In reality, a differential of temperature might affect hurricanes by increasing its strength when the hurricane passes over the hot spot and weakening it when it passes over the cold spot. Correlation between warm water and strong hurricanes does not mean warm water can energize anything by themselves.
The purpose of hurricanes is to transfer excess heat in the tropics to the poles. If the poles are warmer. the energy flow becomes less. The tropics are not warming.
Venus is uniformly hot, and has no storms and almost no wind.
And Saturn is cold cold cold, and didn’t we all hear about that raging “inexplicable” storm that raged across half of Saturn for over a year. Yes, Saturn is a different type of system than earth, but Richard Lindzen of MIT theorizes that on earth more heat would actually lead to less storms. The main thing is that it’s little more than abject speculation to assert that warmth will cause more storms. I have not ever seen any evidence at all (even from the laboratory) to back the fear mongers’ conjecture on warmth & storms. Certainly, if correlation is causation, the amount of storm energy has been declining over the last several decades! At least the notion that CO2 warms the planet has a plausible theoretical basis, though not empirical: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK_WyvfcJyg&info=GGWarmingSwindle_CO2Lag
I’m going to spin this again.The doomsayers say that we been having more storms because its been so much hotter, though actually storms have actually diminished and temperature has been at best at a standstill for over a decade. Whatever, the Prophets of Doom are adamant that more heat means more storms. Yet that’s not what happens on boiling hot Venus. And dry-ice cold Saturn’s got the uber-storms. Go figure.
Tell that to the residents of Bundaberg and see how long you live
last summer in Australia 127 weather records were broken in 90 days
last summer in the USA 4,000 weather records were broken.
Record breaking storms and weather events are rapidly increasing
The really odd thing is this is exactly what the climate experts have been telling us for years now.
ROFL – You are falling for an old Jedi mind trick.
If there are 4,000 weather stations with a 100 year temperature record, and 100 days of summer – then odds are 4,000 high temperature records will be broken.
An apples to apples comparison of stations which have been active since the 1930s shows that summers during the 1930s were much hotter than last summer in the US.
The really odd thing is this is exactly what the climate experts have been telling us for years now.
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stop it!….you’re going to make me wet my pants!!! ROTFL
So what you are saying is once the surface of the earth is uniformly hot like that of venus we will not have storm problems ?
How much man made global warming will that take ?
While the polar regions are cooler than the temperate regions the more energy put into the system will create more extreme weather events.
Your theory only holds true once the earth becomes an uninhabitable uniform global sauna.
What a stupid comment.
ah..there it is
I was wondering where the run away global warming went to
G2 said: “How much man made global warming will that take?”
How much global warming have we had, G2?
And on what basis do you say “the system will create more extreme weather events”?
We are now up to almost 17 years with no global temperature increase, according to Dr Pachauri of the IPCC, and the UK Met Office. There has been no measurable increase in the frequency or power of cyclones in Australia. Tracy (1974) was a Cat 4 cyclone and wiped out a city. Pacific Typhoon Tip (1979) was the size of half the USA! The Brisbane floods of 1974 were as bad as the floods of 2011. The Brisbane floods in 1841, 1893, 1844 , 1890 and 1857 were worse. CO2 was below 300 ppm then. Simply put CO2 has virtually nothing to do with weather or temperature.
People who build or buy houses in flood zones have only themselves to blame. Caveat emptor. That’s why insurance companies won’t insure them.
I also note that G2 is the designation of the Irish Military Intelligence Service. A triple oxymoron. Are you trying to tell us something?
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Andy, G2 is the intelligence officer and his staff at the division level in most western military organizations.
Thanks Walter, I knew I’d heard/read it before even here in Oz.
I cherry picked the Irish MI as it seemed very appropriate.
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The jet stream is powered by the difference of hot and cold between the poles and the tropics. Steve is right, the tropics are hardly warming — much more of the global warming is happening in the Arctic which will likely cause a weakening of the northern jet stream. This, in turn, will cause for a slower moving and “loopier” jet stream which will cause some areas further south to get colder weather for longer and, conversely, some areas further north will get hotter weather for longer. it just depends on which side of the jet stream you find yourself on. This is the “global weirding” that climate scientists talk about.
Did you know that most GCM predict a Polar jet stream the reverse direction of the observed? Look it up in the modeling section of IPCC reports.
YOU are the “global weirding” that sane people talk about.
Brian,
What absolute crap. The direction of the jet stream is determined by the rotation of the Earth. In order for the jet stream to reverse, the Earth’s rotation would also have to reverse and I don’t believe I have ever heard anyone propose that before.
I’ll tell you what — why don’t YOU find that citation you say exists and then we can both chuckle over your mis-comprehension.
Reversing the jet stream — you would have to be truly weird to believe that.
ROFL – In 1974 scientists blamed deep dips in the jet stream on global cooling.
Steve,
Reversing the jet stream is not the same as dips. And if the tropics did cool relative to the poles would that not be the another situation where the difference in temps between the poles and tropics would lesson and therefore weaken the jet stream and make it “loopier”?
You are so full of shit. ROFLMAO
Steve,
Who can debate such a strong and thoughtful argument?
Are you thinking of a different planet? The winds of Venus have increased from 180+ to nearly 240mph over the last six years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Taz18Ss1vU