The government reports that the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has increased by 1:10,000 over the last century. That would be like packing an extra ten people into the Rose Bowl!
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You said, “…the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has increased by 1:10,000 over the last century.” While that is strictly true, it minimizes the change observed. The accepted concentration before industrial emission began is about 280 ppmv (parts per million by volume). That works out to 2.8:10,000. The daily average level on Mauna Loa recently went over 400 ppmv. That works out to 4:10,000. (The average over the week or month or year has NOT surpassed this however. Also, May is typically the month which shows the highest CO2 concentration, so we should expect CO2 to decrease until about October.)
So, the amount in the atmosphere has increased from 280 to 400 ppmv. That is a 120 ppmv increase, or a (120/280*100 =) 43% increase. CO2 is a potent, long-lived greenhouse gas. The physics of it’s effects are fairly plain. An increase of 43% in a century is alarming.
That CO2 was ever as low as 280 ppm is alarming.
46% less from 280ppm and all plants would die…. and us too…
http://www.climatedepot.com/2012/07/13/greenpeace-cofounder-dr-patrick-moore-thank-goodness-we-came-along-reversed-150-millionyear-trend-of-reduced-co2-levels-in-global-atmosphere-long-live-the-humans/
I’m glad the ppm is rising… I like a safety factor.
He’s right Steve. It’s like packing 14.3 people into the Rose Bowl.
It depends on what the 14.3 people are doing. The 14.3 people in this Rose Bowl are ‘doing’ a whole lot more than the rest of the (N2, O2) people.
I don’t know what the 14.3 people were doing, but I do know what a dozen or so people at NCDC and GISS are doing.
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/02/15/more-ushcn-adjustment-fraud/
I didn’t know the Rose Bowl Stadium could hold 143,000 people. 😆
Someone doesn’t understand PPM!
120 ppm = 120/1,000,000 = 1.2/10,000.
((400/1,000,000 – 280/1,000,000)/(280/1,000,000)) * 100 = 42.86% increase in CO2 concentration.
Hope that helps.
I forgot, 😆
But is isn’t alarming that 43% is actually .012% by volume of the .4 % by volume total.
.04% by volume total.
Yeah, I forgot again! 😆
Hey JT, I hope that helps too! 😉 😆
A 43% increase in a miniscule trace amount (of a wholly beneficial nutrient crucial to plant life) is NOT alarming. It is reassuring. C02 IS NOT a POTENT greenhouse gas. Try Water Vapor if you wish to observe potency. The physics of CO2’s effects ARE fairly plain….. and quite insignificant.
If you look at the % by volume increase it’s like .3% Pretty alarming isn’t it!
Water vapor is a potent greenhouse gas, at 0.4 to 4% by volume. Without it the earth would be 30 degrees C cooler. It is also however a very reactive greenhouse gas. It reacts to the current temperature and has a lifetime in the atmosphere of a few days, at best, before training out. The physics of CO2 are plain, well understood, and far from insignificant.
Complete nonsense. Temperatures in the tropics would be about 1-2C lower if there was no CO2.
So JT knows the difference and still bullshitting! Noted! 😆 I didn’t forget that time. 😉
43% from almost noting is still almost nothing. The measured CO2 levels count for the entire biosphere. Our contribution to the biosphere (What our corrupt scientists have called Athropogenic Contribution) is only 3%. Besides that the planet isn’t warming but in a long term cooling cycle. There is however a positive which brings us to the other lie, the lie of Peak Oil. Peak Oil doesn’t exist. We have carbon fuels available for the next thousands of years, time enough to find more sophisticated energy resources. As for food production, no problem either. We have plenty of food to serve double the current population. Now tell me what is alarming about that? Just relax, enjoy the weather and your life. Nobody can save the planet and those who say they will are after your money and your life. Just avoid them as the black plague and don’t vote them into office next time. Cheers.
Water vapor, at .5 to 5 percent of the air at ground level, causes 60 to 70% of the greenhouse warming. CO2, at 0.04%, causes 20% or so. The remainder of the air, about 99% of dry air, doesn’t contribute to the greenhouse effect. Isn’t physics and thermodynamics fun !
Complete bullshit. All of the absorption bands of CO2 are overlapped by H2O. CO2 is only an important greenhouse gas in the absence of water vapor.
So the goal post are moved again is it?
Steve, you must be kidding. The absorption bands do not “completely overlap”. If you are going to deny basic physics, it’s fruitless to discuss this any further.
You are completely FOS
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/co2-contributes-1-3-of-the-greenhouse-effect-in-the-tropics/
Yeah, basic physics, and then beyond.
I forgot 😆
Hmmm… “Bullshit”, “FOS”. I guess this isn’t a place for polite, rational discussion. Enjoy your sandbox.
If your playing in one then Me guesses that where it comes from! Just saying! 😉
Err is it you bleieve there is an evil CO2 molecule that is different from the natural one?
Understand the Hpa level it is measured at and then ask what about the concentrations at 600, 400, 300, 100 right on up to 10Hpa…
You may also ask what intermediates and radicals have been observed throughout these heights and what effects and interactions influence the particles within each of our planets spheres…
Climatologists using modeling should be banned until they can recreate our actual tropospheric patterns, as measured and of the past.
Raging assholes with models are killing us, not the climate or man (but maybe Mann)…
“The notion of low pre-industrial CO2 atmospheric level, based on such poor knowledge, became a widely accepted Holy Grail of climate warming models. The modelers ignored the evidence from direct measurements of CO2 in atmospheric air indicating that in 19th century its average concentration was 335 ppmv[11] (Figure 2). In Figure 2 encircled values show a biased selection of data used to demonstrate that in 19th century atmosphere the CO2 level was 292 ppmv[12]. A study of stomatal frequency in fossil leaves from Holocene lake deposits in Denmark, showing that 9400 years ago CO2 atmospheric level was 333 ppmv, and 9600 years ago 348 ppmv, falsify the concept of stabilized and low CO2 air concentration until the advent of industrial revolution [13].”
http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/FoS%20Pre-industrial%20CO2.pdf
FYI check the headlines, looks like Hillary getting pinned on Benghazi.
As all the talking heads do an about face, best comment so far:
“Sometimes at the end of a witch hunt, you find a witch” 😉
The only thing scarier than a witch, is a witch with kankles.
Clears the way for Obama’s third term.
God forbid, I’d rather see co2 at 150ppm…
Clears the way for Obama’s third term.
Well that made me gag.
Good coverage of the coverage:
http://beforeitsnews.com/scandals/2013/05/bbc-heads-will-roll-white-house-bengazi-cover-up-exposed-2431282.html?utm_source=http%3A%2F%2Fwhatreallyhappened.com%2F&utm_medium=static&utm_term=http%3A%2F%2Fb4in.info%2Fh4JM&utm_campaign=&utm_content=awesm-publisher_static
New documents show the CIA was ordered to change Benghazi Talking Points 12 times and the White House is being accused of issuing a stand-down order…..Mark Mardell, the BBC’s North American editor, issued an apology for continuing to believe Obama’s lies and went on to state heads will roll….the media is now being forced to admit that they do in fact parrot talking points handed to them by the government and acting nothing more than stenographer’s echoing the same talking points given to them while refusing to go off script.
Of course, From CNN to FOX and SALON they are still following the script…it has just changed 😉
Yeah, a lying bitch of a witch.
Good Idea from a good guy: TOP GOP SENATOR SAYS OBAMA COULD BE IMPEACHED OVER ‘MOST EGREGIOUS COVER-UP IN AMERICAN HISTORY’
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/10/top-gop-senator-says-obama-could-be-impeached-over-most-egregious-cover-up-in-american-history/
Obama brainwashing the Press on Benghazi: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/05/10/White-House-Benghazi-off-the-record
Gosh!
Good news: Missouri Legislature bans UN Agenda 21: http://www.prisonplanet.com/missouri-legislature-bans-un-agenda-21-2.html
Good stuff–the second state to do so after Alabama. BUT, did the Governor sign it? There are three states that have approved the legislation, but are awaiting their governor’s signatures. Perhaps we need to start petitioning and picketing the Masonic Halls.
Take the initiative and do so then if thats the case!
I bet that is a no!
No response thar, I. lou?
I’ve been on it, Cuz! From the mayor, to borough council, to the redeveloper, to the NJ State Senate Fezident, Steve Sweeney, here in good, ol’ Gwassbowo, NJ (actually, the new name of the town is Rowanville). That’s the reason my wife and I haven’t had our home/business stolen from us yet (but, we’re the last ones). Speaking truth to power isn’t too well received here in South Jersey–especially when the “power” people can’t do anything more noble in life than make meatball sandwiches for the 1967 LBJ-Kosygin “let’s adapt the Communist Manifesto so it fits America” summit. Of course, the meme is forever “Global (i.e., Communist) to Local,” or, if you will, “Let’s plunder the hard-working American middle class because we’re lazy, jealous, but Satan-smart enough to find a way to steal their lifestyles from them because they’re so unsuspecting and we’re so nice.” Here’s where the stupidity begins and ends here in Gwassbowo, NJ–a group of idiots that would sell their souls to “look good” for EPA, state and/or federal grant monies, but who created the problem to begin with. It’s a great article that argues for more restrictive immigration policies IN THE 1930’s!
Kaitlin Gurney, “Defying Trend, Club Spreads Ethnic Heritage–And Clout (In Glassboro, Many Do as the Sicilians Do,” (The Philadelphia Inquirer, Wednesday, August 22, 2001, p. B-1).
http://www.articles.philly.com/2001-08-22/news/25298775_1_italian-american-borough-hall-charter-members
Or, Google the article: gurney/Glassboro/Italian/club
Good, so don’t burn people like you did with Me in the future, and Noted!
Have you been up late smoking crack again, “Me?” Please take thought of the wife and kids. I do, however, enjoy your posts on NJ.com.
Ya see now you are doing it again!
Do you want this to continue?
And I have never posted on that site you claim.
So do you want this to continue?
Did you read the article, Joe, or do you know it by heart?
Never heard of it till now.
Do I sound like the person there?
That isn’t a hard question?
Yes or No!
I get the feeling that this was a poser at our expence! you can think other wise but I’ve seen what you have said here and agree with it.
Since you picked the fight, I’m always happy to finish it. However, in this case, I will defer to the village idiot who makes no posts of substance other than a smiley face and an argument. This is a website based upon thought and ideals, and manhood. You don’t qualify–but I’ll give you the last word without responding. 🙂
Now the ball is in your court the next time this happens to post a link to your troubles! And that is not a request now!
Ahhh, No, you picked the fight here! so now defend it of play your game!
Because now it doesn’t bold well for you!
Do you want Me to recall where this started?
Your silence is suddenly deafining!
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/04/23/bloomberg-acknowledges-that-their-plan-is-to-destroy-the-bill-of-rights/#comment-218164
Here is where it started!
So what is yer final position on yer last satatement above?
I. Lou Minotti says:
May 11, 2013 at 3:58 am
Since you picked the fight, I’m always happy to finish it. However, in this case, I will defer to the village idiot who makes no posts of substance other than a smiley face and an argument. This is a website based upon thought and ideals, and manhood. You don’t qualify–but I’ll give you the last word without responding.
I did want to mention how loud I was laughing when I saw this post Steve. I had a major outburst of laughter today, one of those “you owe me a keyboard” moments. Not saying it was top 10, but definitely top 100 stuff. For people who study climate, your humor is priceless. Thanks again.
The BBC is crying loudly (for the last 7 hours) on the world service that mans done nothing to stop the GHGs or CO2 climbing over 400ppm. Roger Harrabin sounds almost weeping with joy.
News? What news. So why is it so f***ing cold BBC?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22486153
No blue cloud of steam yet! Me and the rest of us are still here. 😆
🙂
BBC…just forget all about. They have been removed from my favorite media list a long time ago. Should we worry about that. I think so. After the thinnest book in the world which is titled “One Thousand Years of German Humor my favorite media list comes second.
That can’t be healthy.
Enjoy your sandbox, sand box?… hey Steve, do you own a sand box?