Weather officials said Haiyan had sustained winds of 147 mph with gusts of 170 mph when it made landfall. By those measurements, Haiyan would be comparable to a strong Category 4 hurricane in the U.S., nearly in the top category, a 5.
Its winds were among the strongest ever recorded
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From http://www.cleveland.com/world/index.ssf/2013/11/typhoon_haiyan_hits_philippine.html
“The U.S. Navy’s Joint Typhoon Warning Center said shortly before the typhoon made landfall that its maximum sustained winds were 314 kilometers per hour (195 mph), with gusts up to 379 kilometers per hour (235 mph). Those measurements are different than local weather data because the U.S. Navy center measures the average wind speed for 1 minute while local forecasters measure average for 10 minutes.”
This suggests that the 195/235 mph values may have been a cherry picked outlier.
It has nothing to do with cherry picking.
The Navy numbers were estimates from satellite data at altitude over open water two hours before landfall. Comparing those numbers with ground speed measurements at landfall of other storms is absurd.
You are absolutely right. Cherry trees don’t grow on the ocean. Hence, you can’t pick cherries there.
Sigh…
Thanks for the insight, Steve.
Terrible tragedy, but nothing unusual. If the press were not already so corrupt, I would count veracity as the largest casualty.
Well this is what this storm looks like on the ground
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24887718
Nothing unusual? Lets see how it develops. I am sure some people would claim black is white if it meant it could be a slight snipe at AGW.
No doubt if a large amount of snowfall falls somewhere in the next 4 months you will be all over it and saying it is the worst ever.
Forget AGW for a moment and the BBC and anyone you disagree with, including me, this is a very bad storm and we should assist where need be.
Andy
43 years ago this week at the peak of the global cooling scare Bangladesh was hit a typhoon which killed at least half a million people . Must be global warming.
Piss off
Not a snipe at AGW, more like a snipe at alarmist reporting by an American news agency about an Asian typhoon, due to lack hurricanes in America to be alarmist about. If a hurricane should actually materialize in America this year, we can be sure that it will be reported like Sandy was, where the 13 feet of storm swell and 5 feet of high tide were not the cause of damage, it was the 9 inches of sea level rise over a period of 100 years (how many docks and marinas are 100 years old anyway?)
Total global cyclonic energy is below normal. Attributing a powerful storm to AGW in the face of irrefutable evidence to the contrary is about as absurd as it can get.
http://models.weatherbell.com/global_running_ace.png
I don’t think the over 10000 people who died will care if it was 147 or 195mph. However I agree this is not an unprecedented storm.
The 7 billion people who lived, deserve not to suffer from the hardships brought on by people using fake weather data to push totalitarianism.
I’ll believe that 10,000 people were killed when the Filipino government says so. The level of exaggeration is so bad it draws attention away from the actual tragedy on the ground there caused by actual death and destruction. Hopefully, a lesson will be learned by that government about allowing people to feel safe sheltering at ground level on a coastline, also.
I think this is like Katrina. Same storm hits someplace else, and it’s a whole different story.
Wouldn’t surprise me if it got that high or more. It is not unusual for it to get to the high hundreds with regular typhoons, and this one hit an area with smaller islands and fewer concrete buildings. Storm surge got many this time and If you look at a google map of the area hit, almost all the cities are right on the coast. Map where Guinan is, which got hit. Just about all the structures are within 500 feet of the sea, and along the strip of land/pier where the ferry goes to, there’s effectively a village on stilts.
From a Reuters article, check this quote:
“Many tourists were stranded. “Seawater reached the second floor of the hotel,” said Nancy Chang, who was on a business trip from China in Tacloban City and walked three hours through mud and debris for a military-led evacuation at the airport.”
Even if her hotel was right on the water, that’s over 10 feet of storm surge. Satelite view Tacloban City and there are not a lot of buildings that seem more than one story tall. And most of the buildings there are within 1,000 feet of the sea. Look at just the strip of land south of the Tacloban airport, under the landing flight path. There’s a shanty town that was probably wiped out.
Latest tally of confirmed dead now stands at 255.