Kook claimed in 2010 that Antarctic sea ice was growing even as the seas around Antarctica were warming “faster than the global trend”
Only a complete imbecile could convince himself that warmer water means more ice, and Kook might have thought to check a more respectable source like satellites, which show the seas around Antarctica have been cooling for almost 35 years.
h/t to the new village idiot, “John b”
Warmer water does mean more ice! I always make ice cubes in my pot of boiling water!
(Do I really need a /sarc tag?)
Yeah. More warming means more rain, which freshens the sea water and causes it to freeze faster. 10 feet of rain makes 10 feet of sea ice…uh…
No, that won’t work….the sea is stratified, uh…the water….hold on, no that won’t work…
No, it’s the wind. More wind makes more ice….. blow away, no that won’t work….it blows away…
Uh, glaciers are melting and sliding off Antarctica! That’s the ticket!
Lots of complete imbeciles
http://www.globeinternational.org/
One World Government
complete power addicted imbeciles
Robert do a search on “Global Governance’ and “Pascal Lamy’
Lamy was the World Trade Organization Director-General and was tapped to become the head of the EU by the old boss.
Bob Tisdale runs the SST’s each month, using Reynolds data.
His graphs quite clearly show a decline in SST for the Southern Ocean since 1980.
http://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2013/12/30/no-antarctic-warming-since-1979/
That’s right. Every spring when the weather warms up, the ice on our lakes gets thicker and thicker.
Thanks John Kook for explaning that for me. …..sarc
I opened my oven yesterday, no ice cubes yet….go figure!
I was hankering for a cold beer, so I put it beside the fire. Guess what?
Goodness gracious, warmer water if it’s anything like a warmer world will definitely produce more ice, after all, Dr. John Holdren, President Obama’s science advisor recently said, “[W]hat we can expect as a result of global warming is to see more of this pattern of extreme cold”
YouTube ID# 5eDTzV6a9F4
You beat me to it Paul… Tisdale shows a clear step down around 2006 (which is shown on your site). Antarctica has been cooling for decades as O’Donnell 2010 showed. But check out Wikipedia, you’ll find the debunked Steig / Mann study, not O’Donnell’s.
If you argue the “freshwater makes ice easier” idea, you’ll find that all the freshwater supposedly melting from the continent is still only a few mm thick. Well, that stuff must be like crude oil, because for that to be true, even a year of wind and wave action evidently can’t make that fresh water diffuse into the ocean surface. And yet it spreads out evenly all around the continent like this: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0PCHrHxISOQ/UQgK0vaBfxI/AAAAAAAAGsw/m7cF61mOQ80/s1600/Antarctic%2BIce%2Bfrom%2Bspace.jpg
It’s absurd on too many levels. But it works exceptionally well on Obama voters.
Clearly the increase in sea ice is caused by a decrease in sea ice:
Zhang 2006:
“Estimates of sea ice extent based on satellite observations show an increasing Antarctic sea ice cover from 1979 to 2004 even though in situ observations show a prevailing warming trend in both the atmosphere and the ocean. This riddle is explored here using a global multicategory thickness and enthalpy distribution sea ice model coupled to an ocean model. Forced by the NCEP–NCAR reanalysis data, the model simulates an increase of 0.20 × 1012 m3 yr?1 (1.0% yr?1) in total Antarctic sea ice volume and 0.084 × 1012 m2 yr?1 (0.6% yr?1) in sea ice extent from 1979 to 2004 when the satellite observations show an increase of 0.027 × 1012 m2 yr?1 (0.2% yr?1) in sea ice extent during the same period. The model shows that an increase in surface air temperature and downward longwave radiation results in an increase in the upper-ocean temperature and a decrease in sea ice growth, leading to a decrease in salt rejection from ice, in the upper-ocean salinity, and in the upper-ocean density. The reduced salt rejection and upper-ocean density and the enhanced thermohaline stratification tend to suppress convective overturning, leading to a decrease in the upward ocean heat transport and the ocean heat flux available to melt sea ice. The ice melting from ocean heat flux decreases faster than the ice growth does in the weakly stratified Southern Ocean, leading to an increase in the net ice production and hence an increase in ice mass. This mechanism is the main reason why the Antarctic sea ice has increased in spite of warming conditions both above and below during the period 1979–2004 and the extended period 1948–2004.”
Keywords: Antarctica, Sea ice, Satellite observations, Temperature, Trends
Received: January 10, 2006; Final Form: September 18, 2006
Corresponding author address: Jinlun Zhang, Polar Science Center, Applied Physics Laboratory, College of Ocean and Fishery Sciences, University of Washington, Seattle, WA 98105. Email: [email protected]
Morgan Wright says:
January 25, 2014 at 4:10 am
It’s models “all the way down”. Models that say what one engineers them to say. Feel free to believe the “warming climate causes more ice” bullshit even where there really is no warming. Just don’t get upset if we roll our eyes at these claims.
The models said this couldn’t happen below 300ppm CO2.
http://youtu.be/7FQFcrAuRrA
I’ll bite: what data is Zhang using? Presumably that’s the only reason Kook uses Zhang: because it fits his delusions.
If an area that is cold warms but is still very very cold it will still produce ice as the area goes through the stages of warming whilst still being very very cold the extra perception can and will cause more ice!
It does not mean it is not warming your silly analogies are just that silly, like old children trying to be clever and sarcastic but you are just talking drivel.
If something warms from minus 40 to minus 30 (made up figures) it is still cold as it warms more it will cause more ice why that matters to deniers I have no idea GLOBALLY the earth is warming!
stop clutching at straws you little babies just admit you are wrong and go away no one cares about your views. Idiots like you once thought the world was flat old people, miserable, bitter and stupid out of touch 🙂
Pathetic.
This post is about Antarctic sea ice, not about “something [that] warms from minus 40 to minus 30”. Also, look up “polar amplification” on your favourite John Cook (cartoonist) website.
If you need any more help from us “miserable, bitter and stupid out of touch[sic]” people when it come to understanding things like basic reading comprehension, English composition, or temperature measurement, let us know! 😀
HI yes please do share starkDICK like I said why ice matters to alarmists or deniers I have no idea the fact that satellites temperature readings categorically prove the earth is warming is all that matters. Also please grow up this site is just full of old men spewing shi.t and trying to shout down people whilst trying to insult pathetic really especially as you are all so wrong it is comical.
Do you even operator?
LOL! Bereft of intelligence, poor old david has to resort to childish name games. I guess he can be dismissed without further thought. He has none.
OH and starkDICK you said this is about the Antarctic not something else!!
What does that mean the Antarctic has warmed you fool the figures I posted were just exaggerations to highlight the stupidity of this thread where you all act like little children in your little baby clique being all so clever and mocking things like babies!!
Really you couldn’t make it up how old are you all like 60 to 70 and acting like babies. THE ANTARTIC has warmed more ice doesn’t mean anything its still fucking cold!! just not as cold as before.
Also its called GLOBAL warming! NOT: where you fancy to base your pathetic argument warming!
If you cannot tell one end of the world from another, why would anyone think you could get a name correctly? Keep it up! I need the amusement. It is not often you get to see a little stompy feet throwing a tantrum in public.
Yes, your petty ad hominems and juvenile pejoratives are petty. But then since this is not a close minded blog that does not allow dissent, you are allowed to demonstrate your immaturity and ignorance.
Which you have done very well.
Ah well done! philjourdan you have learnt some words to insult people very clever, seriously are you a baby?
😆 Again david reads and does not understand. I wrote no insults. I pointed out yours. I do not care to get into a screaming match with a child.
If you do not want your filth described accurately, shut up. Simple. But until then, please continue. Your ignorance of the English language is amusing.
And who the fook is John Cook
If you do not know then you are rather ignorant of the subject: Climate.
Long term (and that is all that matters) the climate in Antarctica is COOLING:
GRAPH
It is only that single tiny pennisula sticking into the ocean near Cape Horn that is warming down south, (due to a volcano) the rest is either static or declining.
Also the amount of sea ice also matters.
The 40 year trend of ALL Antarctic Sea Ice measurements (maximum, average, and minimum extents) continues their steady increases since 1979. Antarctic Sea Ice Extents is now setting new record high levels at 19,000,000 sq km’s.
It is Antarctic Sea Ice Area that is greater than 16,000,000 km’s have occurred in the most recent years.
Why does this matter? In a word Albedo. Antarctic sea ice is much more important that Arctic sea Ice.
First the arctic sea is ringed by land and can not easily expand while Antarctic is ringed by ocean so there is no limit.
You are a true idiot. Have you even looked at the post your are commenting in, you lazy cretin?
If you do not know, keep your mouth shut instead of demonstrating your ignorance.
David, have you ever been diagnosed? I’d be interested in finding what exactly is wrong with your ganglion.
Hi Hope this helps
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/#gtemp
Yeah the world is burning up and millions are dying from heatwaves, NOT!
Meanwhile global sea ice extent is above average!! No temperature increase in 18 years. FACTS trump alarmist religious fascist dogma, pod person.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuL2QwsNeM8
This article also explains it quite well, that is if you believe in maths and the mechanics behind the ‘natural warm periods’!!
http://www.forbes.com/sites/petergleick/2012/02/05/global-warming-has-stopped-how-to-fool-people-using-cherry-picked-climate-data/2/
So does this.
Pod people are waking up to the scam!
Oh dear how sad, never mind!
http://m.heraldsun.com.au/business/public-not-buying-a-climate-apocalypse/story-fni0d8gi-1226870210323
Hi Gail COMBS
Your information is old and out of date!! and as it says if you have the ‘aptitude’ to watch the video!
I have also provided the links where your cherry picked data comes from when you read ALL the data together it may help you on your quest!
Link one: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/#gtemp
LInk two: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/
Link three: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcrut3/diagnostics/global/nh%2Bsh/index.html
And a link to explain about cherry picked data.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/petergleick/2012/02/05/global-warming-has-stopped-how-to-fool-people-using-cherry-picked-climate-data/2/
Thank you.
Isn’t that Gleick, the felonious forger?
LOL, Andy OZ really? OK that clears it up close all the blogs stop all research, scientists go home AndyOZ has just posted a link to a backwater site no need for alarm apparently people are sceptical when asked to pay taxes.
What a fuck wit 🙂
Everyone here in Australia knows the carbon tax was a fraud which is why the last alarmist government was kicked out in September. Feel free to donate all your money to London Ferrari drivers and scientific charlatans but we refuse. My children and grandchildren and great grandchildren will be fine without paying carbon taxes ever.
That’s like saying everyone in Australia is a criminal……. oh hang on a second 🙂
The same could be said of Georgia since it predated Australia as the penal colony of the British empire. You would not by chance be from Georgia would you? Wanna bet your ancestors are?
Phil what are your views on global warming?
Stercus Ferri
Blog denier ‘scientists’ get so angry!
True believer Alarmists are sociopaths. Anger is wasted on sociopaths. Derision and laughter are all that’s required.
Hi Andy
I think you will find I’m not an alarmist I just interpret information, maths and physics correctly as I’m not thick.
And yes us normal people who shower every day, and have good jobs laugh at people like you all the time.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/petergleick/2012/02/05/global-warming-has-stopped-how-to-fool-people-using-cherry-picked-climate-data/2/
If you have the aptitude to watch this from beginning to end it also explains a lot, in basic terms so it is not to difficult to understand.
Hope it helps explain why this thread and its silly opening posts are just that, silly?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWInyaMWBY8
I cant understand how anyone can come to the conclusions Deniers do!
But it seems like you enjoy yourselves so go for it, you may as well just make any shit up! Blame aliens or say the is a cold war going on still 🙂 , the ‘alarmists’ have hired NASA to carry warmth off the planet i heat pods 🙂 🙂 🙂
Deniers if you are going to make shit up and have fun at least use your imagination 🙂
Trillions in carbon credits will attract all types of charlatans. Pod People who enjoy robbing poor people of their savings and sending it to Londons carbon credit scammers and Ferrari drivers deserve zero respect.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7W33HRc1A6c
Really so why has no opposition political party in any country used this to topple the current government in any country who you are saying are trying to extort green taxes from us??
The media and the politicians are OWNED by the elite.
Top Senate Democrat: bankers “own” the U.S. Congress
My research into who owns the media is in this comment.
As far as third parties go, look at what happened to the Tea Party. Here is the Blair-ROCKEFELLER study used to call the Tea Party racist. The questions start out:
“Do you think it is the responsibility of the federal government to make sure that minorities…”
Of course a tea party member is going to say the Federal government should butt-out. You do not need to be a rocket scientist to know how a tea party member will answer a question about the fed. gov’t doing non-constitutional stuff. It has ZERO to do with racism but the Bankster owned media ran the study as saying The Tea party is RACIST!!!!
Study: http://blairrockefellerpoll.uark.edu/5295.php
All you have to do is consider the fact that only 3% of US dollars are actually cash. ALL the rest is controlled by the Banksters and they take wealth off the top of every penny of they get their hands on.
For example I had a few hundred in a saving account. I went to put more into it only to find out all the money in the SAVING account was gone and the account closed because I had not ‘Used’ the account. WTF!!!
Credit cards are another example. Merchants pay 5% to the banks so their patrons can use a credit car and then the patrons pay finance charges and handling fees and interest… ALL on Fiat farydust funny money the banksters pull out of their…
Heck the Banksters have TOLD us whats in it for them:
And after this bit of information you KNOW they don’t believe the propaganda they are pumping out:
Graph: world bank Coal fired plant loans the loan amount SKY ROCKETED in 2010. SO tax money from us went to build coal plants in other countries so they can gear up and take more of our jobs. Those are where Obama’s new jobs are. He just didn’t bother to tell us we had to move to India or China to get them.
Hi Gail COMBS
Your information is old and out of date!! and as it says if you have the ‘aptitude’ to watch the video!
I have also provided the links where your cherry picked data comes from when you read ALL the data together it may help you on your quest!
Link one: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/#gtemp
LInk two: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/
Link three: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcrut3/diagnostics/global/nh%2Bsh/index.html
And a link to explain about cherry picked data.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/petergleick/2012/02/05/global-warming-has-stopped-how-to-fool-people-using-cherry-picked-climate-data/2/
Thank you.
I have provided the links where your cherry picked data comes from when you read ALL the data together it may help you on your quest!
Link one: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/#gtemp
LInk two: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/
Link three: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcrut3/diagnostics/global/nh%2Bsh/index.html
And a link to explain about cherry picked data.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/petergleick/2012/02/05/global-warming-has-stopped-how-to-fool-people-using-cherry-picked-climate-data/2/
Thank you.
Australia did. Alarmist icon Julia Gillard was trounced at the Sept 2013 election as was the watermelon Green Party. Tasmania just thrashed the Greens two weeks ago.
But who cares about Australia, right? If we have a few hot days to support the lie, that’s news. If the green lefties are smashed in an election, that’s not news.
I have provided the links where your cherry picked data comes from when you read ALL the data together it may help you on your quest!
Link one: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/#gtemp
LInk two: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/
Link three: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcrut3/diagnostics/global/nh%2Bsh/index.html
And a link to explain about cherry picked data.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/petergleick/2012/02/05/global-warming-has-stopped-how-to-fool-people-using-cherry-picked-climate-data/2/
Thank you.
No, you have merely shown you are incapable of a rational discussion by resorting to childish ad hominems and juvenile pejoratives.
Suck on this one – http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1987/to:2015/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:2002/to:2015/trend/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1987/to:2015/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:2002/to:2015/trend/plot/rss/from:1987/to:2015/plot/rss/from:2002/to:2015/trend/plot/hadsst2gl/from:1987/to:2015/plot/hadsst2gl/from:2002/to:2015/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1987/to:2002/trend/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1987/to:2002/trend/plot/hadsst2gl/from:1987/to:2002/trend/plot/rss/from:1987/to:2002/trend
HI Phil
Yes that how perfectly how DENIERS modify graphs and add pointless lines to make data suit there point no mathematician on the planet would do that!!
Oh and Phil Stop trying to be clever if you cant take an insult then don’t dish them out in the first place!
Another example of a perfectly incomprehensible sentence from a child. “how” “how”??? Sounds like he is trying to play pidgen Indian.
The graphs are not modified. They plot the data. Indeed, this particular graph plots the data from all the major temperature datasets. I understand that goes over your petty little head, but that is called doing the math. You will get to that when you get older.
As for insults, I have yet to insult you. I do not feel it is fair to pick on someone not equipped for the fight. And as you can see, I can very well see the insults. Calling attention to an immature child that has yet to learn how to debate or discuss issues is not “not taking”. It is merely trying to use the situation as a teachable moment. Apparently you are unteachable. That could explain why you do not understand data, facts, and basic math.
Hi Phil, if all you can do is pick up on grammatical errors, can I point to the many you post stop trying to be clever!
It proves nothing most people just type quick and then quickly proof read it at best; however, that brings me to my next point, I’m not saying you are grammatical genius, far from it; however, it is comical that you bring up basic grammatical errors when you cant even grasp the basic maths presented to you.
With all the data presented to you in its full format you still then post cherry picked data from the same data sources originally provided in its full format
So keep picking faults with grammar whatever that proves! Oh yes that’s right smoke and mirrors for the void of basic maths you have.
Your babble means nothing.
On one thread GAIL COMBS posted cunt? So that proves that she must be stupid by your own logic, thanks for clearing that up for me?
David, I do not pick nits of grammar – until the passage becomes unreadable. I am no grammatician. Nor do I claim to be. Indeed, my specialty lies elsewhere. I have a degree in mathematics. So I fully understand math. I also know when someone is BSing on the subject, such as you do.
You are welcome to pick the nits of my grammar any time you want. Unlike others, I actually learn from criticism. And you are free to perform feats of legerdemain with math. But I will call you on that. Unlike grammar, where words are sometimes interchangeable, math is rock solid in its application and rules.
So try your tricks on the idiots that give you your talking points. They will not fly here.
Hi Phil
You Posted:
‘I have a degree in mathematics. So I fully understand math. I also know when someone is BSing on the subject, such as you do.’
Please point out where I have been BSing on math (as you pronounce it) or remain a liar.
And you repeat yourself. I have already pointed out your ignorance on the subject. If you cannot find it, that is your problem.
Why should I look at a video?
I rather read scientific papers where I can SEE the DATA for myself.
After several decades as a laboratory manager I have a very good B.S. detector and I have been made very aware that scientists lie when a pay check is in the mix.
I have been in a heck of a lot of fights where honesty and the data was trumped by a scientist worried about a pay check or a plant manager worried about ROI.
Hi Gail COMBS
Your information is old and out of date!! and as it says if you have the ‘aptitude’ to watch the video!
I have also provided the links where your cherry picked data comes from when you read ALL the data together it may help you on your quest!
Link one: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/#gtemp
LInk two: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/
Link three: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcrut3/diagnostics/global/nh%2Bsh/index.html
And a link to explain about cherry picked data.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/petergleick/2012/02/05/global-warming-has-stopped-how-to-fool-people-using-cherry-picked-climate-data/2/
Thank you.
STEVENGODDARD posts a s girl!!!
“Often, the person is unaware that he or she did not make sense.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_salad
Hi Gail Comb
I did say if you have the aptitude to watch the video if you haven’t don’t worry about it.
Why should we have to read you unnecessarily long posts that mean nothing as they quoting out of date information that means nothing???
You said you can see the data well I provided the links your cherry picked data was from! I will post them again for you:
LINK 1: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/#gtemp
LINK 2: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/
LINK 3: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcrut3/diagnostics/global/nh%2Bsh/index.html
And this explains about your cherry picking:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/petergleick/2012/02/05/global-warming-has-stopped-how-to-fool-people-using-cherry-picked-climate-data/2/
Thank for having the manners to read watch the video as well.
The above links are facts.
The above links are links. You should learn the difference. Links are not facts. They are links to potential facts or to hysterical ravings of lunatics.
You should learn to argue beyond the 5th grade playground methods.
You should learn to think beyond the 5th grade. Then maybe you would be able to post a coherent comment without resorting to your childish insults,
But I guess that is asking too much.
Phil, They are facts they are the same facts that all your cherry picked data stems from, if you are saying the links are not providing facts, then all your cherry picked data to prove your ramblings are also wrong!
So what on earth are babbling about?
No steve. That is your problem,. You have no conception of what a fact is. Your links are not facts. They are opinions. They can be well informed opinions, or they can be ignorant opinions. But they are not data. They are not facts.
Given your ignorance of the concept of facts and data, then it is no wonder your links are to similar ignorance. Until you learn what you are talking about, you will almost always be wrong. And so far, you have always been.
p.s. Learn how to reply. You appear to be talking to yourself, and using my name as yours. If you are talking to yourself and just incorrectly using my name, then your response is one of those rare times where you got something partially right. You are cherry picking, rambling and wrong.
But you got the name wrong.
PHIL they are facts the data I provided are the facts, you then cherry pick these facts to make it something else.
If they are not facts then stop posting cherry picked information / graphs / charts to prove your views.
As by proxy they must also be wrong!
No david. You posted opinion. I posted facts. The fact you do not know the difference is your problem. You may not like the facts. You may hate the facts. But then they do not care.
There was no cherry picking. I presented facts. And frankly I do not care if you like them or not.
Err no I posted links to facts, they are the facts, how you interpret them is up to you; however, they are still facts.
Er, no. You posted links to opinion pieces. Which only proves you have no clue on the difference between facts and opinions.
Hi Phil
You posted:
‘You should learn to think beyond the 5th grade. Then maybe you would be able to post a coherent comment without resorting to your childish insults,’
Should that sentence have ended with a full stop? As you ended it with a comma, I’m terribly confused as you are Mr Grammar.
As I said, you are easily confused.
Hi Gail COMBS
Your information is old and out of date!! and as it says if you have the ‘aptitude’ to watch the video!
I have also provided the links where your cherry picked data comes from when you read ALL the data together it may help you on your quest!
Link one: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/#gtemp
LInk two: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/
Link three: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcrut3/diagnostics/global/nh%2Bsh/index.html
And a link to explain about cherry picked data.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/petergleick/2012/02/05/global-warming-has-stopped-how-to-fool-people-using-cherry-picked-climate-data/2/
Thank you.
I have provided the links where your cherry picked data comes from when you read ALL the data together it may help you on your quest!
Link one: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/#gtemp
LInk two: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/
Link three: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcrut3/diagnostics/global/nh%2Bsh/index.html
And a link to explain about cherry picked data.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/petergleick/2012/02/05/global-warming-has-stopped-how-to-fool-people-using-cherry-picked-climate-data/2/
Thank you.
THIS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_salad
I like that. Word Salad!!
Describes David and Steve to a tee!
Well we shall see in the very near future wont we?
Deniers and Alarmists are idiots whilst you two sets of uniformed blog warriors are fighting out a pointless crusade, we are missing the last chance to do anything global warming, whether you like it or not it is happening: THIS IS A FACT.
Inefficient green technology being used billions wasted and reinvested correctly of better transportation for energy.
These billions should be invested in to looking for better and new technology but you just keep arguing.
Global Warming HAS happened. That is a fact. Global warming is NOT happening. That is also a fact. Neither of which has anything to do with the price of rice in China OR fossil fuels.
Anthropogenic Global warming is NOT a fact. It is a supposition that has yet to make it to even the Hypothesis stage because no one has been able to design a test for it AND the supposition states it is not disprovable. Both are critical elements to advance a supposition to Hypothesis.
That is science 101. And THAT is a fact. Your hysteria is duly noted and discarded.
Ha what a load of tosh PHIL and you know it, global warming is happening and it is man made and that is a fact.
I have no hysteria just concern over the coming decades in the very near future you will feel the effects in fact rising food prices have already started this will continue
So you are visually challenged their steve? http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1987/to:2015/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:2002/to:2015/trend/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1987/to:2015/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:2002/to:2015/trend/plot/rss/from:1987/to:2015/plot/rss/from:2002/to:2015/trend/plot/hadsst2gl/from:1987/to:2015/plot/hadsst2gl/from:2002/to:2015/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1987/to:2002/trend/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1987/to:2002/trend/plot/hadsst2gl/from:1987/to:2002/trend/plot/rss/from:1987/to:2002/trend
Down is not increasing. At least not in this universe. Peddle your lies elsewhere.
That Graph is incorrect, if you like to believe babble then feel free to do so, that graph has been knocked up to misrepresent fact! If you are so stupid and gullible to believe it there is no hope for you.
I think tougher sensor laws should be bought in to stop lies form being spread a couple of jail sentences should do the trick…….!
The graph is of the data. If the data is wrong, the graph is wrong. However, since the data uses the datasets in existence for temperature, you are going to have to prove HadCRUT and RSS are all wrong. Good luck with that.
Your opinion is wrong. But that is nothing new. And your ad hominems prove that.
Yes, here comes the screams of little stevey to jail and or kill all those that are smarter than him! Typical alarmist. They hate freedom. They hate free speech. So they clench their fists and stomp their feet. And whine. God how they whine.
Phil the lines added to the graph would never be added by any mathematician.
Also before you start crying about learning how to reply (what ever that proves) there are sometimes no reply links next to posters posts.
David, what you do not know about math far exceeds your knowledge. So who puts lines on graphs? Documenters? And how do they know where to put them?
I would love to debate you, but that is not possible given your ignorance.
Hi Phil
You posted:
‘I would love to debate you, but that is not possible given your ignorance.’
What does: ‘I would love to debate you’ mean I’m confused as you are Mr Grammar!
Sorry, I am not an ESL teacher. Nor do I play one on TV. Check your local adult ed for classes.
Hi PHIL:
You posted:
So you are visually challenged their steve? http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1987/to:2015/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:2002/to:2015/
Did you mean there? As you posted their so the sentence confused me!
You are easily confused.
When I have six inches of snow and below freezing weather but the US weather service reports it a few days later (after ‘adjustments’) as RAIN and above freezing temperatures for the wather station I can walk to, then Mother Nature just backed up what Steve Goddard has been saying for all these years.
THE GOVERNMENT LIES!!!!
You can spin and dance all you want the facts stay the same. The Earth is at the end of the Holocene, the sun is at the end of the Grand Solar Maximum and the only Catastrophic Climate Change possible is an ice age. ‘GoreBull Warming ain’t going to happen and at this point I am starting to hope the big Ice Age shows up and wipes out most of the human race.
We are long over due for another ‘Cleansing of the Gene Pool’ and Ice Ages have a tendency to boot human intelligence to the next level.
Given the intelligence level I see in the general public we sorely need that boot in the rear.
As someone posted above why don’t the opposition political parties oppose the current governments worldwide to gain power??
This also where your wild theories come unstuck why isn’t there one organisation out there saying the opposite scientists always want to be the first! Why are none of us chomping at the bit to publish a paper proving the opposite is happening?
Because the Banking cartel OWNS both parties.
Top Senate Democrat: bankers “own” the U.S. Congress
Heck the banksters have OWNED the USA since 1913.
I suggest you read Congressman McFadden’s Speech (republican) and Democrat Wright Patman’s Primer on Money
Until you trace the lines of power held by the banking elite (who also own the power companies) you will never understand what is actually going on.
‘They’ don’t own every government Global means Global not the USA a common misconception held by most Americans.
The fuel giants have as much money and influence as the banks also as above what about rival scientists trying to be the first to oust the truth being first to publish a paper proving the opposite or nothing is happening!!
Geez! What a drama queen! It is not even close! Banks deal with ALL companies, so they even deal with Oil companies. The difference is not even close:
Top Banks: http://www.relbanks.com/worlds-top-banks/assets
Top Oil Companies: http://www.rediff.com/business/slide-show/slide-show-1-worlds-biggest-oil-and-gas-companies/20120125.htm#1
So much for your “knowledge”.
What on earth are you babbling about now phil, so you are saying no scientist wants to be the first to publish a paper proving wrong the facts?
Stevey, that comment was from 2 weeks ago. You spent 2 weeks trying to refute me and that is all you came up with? Just another whine about your ignorance?
I can give you links that prove you wrong. I cannot make you read them. Until you do, I guess you will have to just stew in your own non sequiturs.
And you ignored my reply with smoke and mirrors as the only response you would be able to muster would make you sound like a crazy!
I asked:
So you are saying no scientist wants to be the first to publish a paper proving wrong the facts?
Which stoner used to ask that question every ten minutes?
C’mon “David”, you’re a physicist, right? You have a weblog. You’ve even been published, haven’t you? Have you ever been banned from a website?
You cannot prove wrong “the facts”. Even an idiot knows that. But little david does not.
The banker’s stake in CAGW
This is a fraud that produces nothing but poverty. It does not produce a single penny of wealth and instead acts as a short circuit across the advancement and wealth of an entire civilization.
If you bother to look you find Shell Oil’s finger prints all over CAGW.
Shell is also very much entangled with the Banksters, Rothschilds and Rockefellers are major shareholders, and as you can see in the credentials of the Board of Directors listed at the end.
Shell Oil wants to push natural gas. Ged Davis, the Shell Oil VP who wrote the Sustainability Scenarios for the IPCC shows this in the “Sustainable Development (B1)” part of the February, 1998 Climategate e-mail which asks for comments on the attachment: “Draft Paper for the IPCC Special Report on Emissions Scenarios” by Ged Davis.
http://assassinationscience.com/climategate/1/FOIA/mail/0889554019.txt
Another Shell Oil exec Doug McKay was at the IPCC scenario meetings. McKay was also Senior Financial Analyst with the World Bank. Robert Watson worked for the World Bank while Chair of the IPCC.
Then you have Shell Oil, BP and a Rockefeller Foundation funding the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia. Marlan Downey, “Former President of the international subsidiary of Shell Oil, founder of Roxanna Oil; former President of Arco International” on the Advisory Board of Richard The Liar* Muller’s consulting firm, Muller & Assoc. (Muller is known for the BEST temperature Data set.)
Who owns Shell?
The Dutch royal family (The House of Orange) is still reportedly the biggest shareholder in Royal Dutch Shell, although the size of its stake has long been a source of debate. Another major stockholder is the Rothschilds. The Rothschild Investment Trust was formed in 1988 and united the Rockefellers and Rothschilds as did the merger of their two banks. The Queen of England is also a major stockholder.
SHELL and WWF:
Prince Bernhard of the Dutch Royal Family is the Founding President of the World Wildlife Fund. (WWF) HRH The Duke of Edinburgh served as International President of WWF for 16 years until his retirement at the end of 1996. John H. Loudon, Better known as “the Grand Old Man of Shell”, headed Royal Dutch Shell from 1951 to 1965. He was President of WWF from 1976 to 1981.
Ruud Lubbers served three terms as Prime Minister of the Netherlands between 1982 and 1994, thus becoming the longest serving Dutch Prime Minister…. He continued in Parliament as Senior Deputy Leader, and later Parliamentary Leader of the Christian Democratic Alliance. He became President of WWF International on 1 January 2000
Then we look at the Shell Board of Directors.
Rather well connected to governments, NGOs and various banks are they not?
Why post unnecessarily longs posts that mean nothing? The phrase Smoke and mirrors springs to mind!
As above:
‘They’ don’t own every government Global means Global not the USA a common misconception held by most Americans.
The fuel giants have as much money and influence as the banks also as above what about rival scientists trying to be the first to oust the truth being first to publish a paper proving the opposite or nothing is happening!!
Why post unnecessarily longs posts that mean nothing?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Because idiots like you have to be led by the hand and even then you can not see the damn evidence sitting in front of your Nose.
……………
Global means Global not the USA a common misconception held by most Americans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Since when did WORLD BANK not mean GLOBAL? Since when did INTERNATIONAL mean the USA?
Marlan Downey, “Former President of the international subsidiary of Shell Oil
Since you can not follow when I lead you by the hand how about the Research Division of the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis? can you manage to follow them?
The network of global corporate control
The full paper: http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0025995#s3
Or an explanation of the paper by OCCUPY: (wwwDOT)occupy.com/article/welcome-network-global-corporate-control
Or a better explanation of the paper by Stephen Lendman of (wwwDOT)ProgressiveRadioNetwork.com
http://www.globalresearch.ca/bankers-rule-the-world-the-network-of-global-corporate-control/28235
Are you completely incapable of actually READING anything longer that ‘See Spot Run”?
It’s a waste of time feeding the trolls Gail.
They can only handle 4’word sentences with less than 5 letters each.
Eg the ice is huge
The rain is good
The days are fine
Everything else is a waste.
I do not write for the trolls I write for the fence sitters. The trolls are great for convincing the fence sitters that the CAGW trolls are complete idiots and Steve and Dave are doing a fine job of it. {:>)
Hi Andy, as the latest fad is attempting to patronise by trying to make out people can’t write whatever that proves on a piss poor backwater site.
I would like to point out the grammatical errors above in your post LOL.
Another example of horrendous grammar, punctuation and sentence structure. If you claim to be ESL, at least you have an excuse.
And if you do not like the site, leave! It has been referenced by much of the MSM.
Hi Phil, you really are pathetic aren’t you.
The grammatical errors you make whilst mocking others show you for what you are, a fat old man that was bullied at school.
Ah, more ad hominems from the child who just can’t seem to have an adult discussion of any sort!
As I said before, you are free to point out my grammatical errors. Alleging them however is merely calling names (since you have yet to point one out).
When you grow up, you will learn that. And just for you (since I know you need to learn), when I start caring about your opinion, your petty ad hominems will mean something to me. But that will not happen before you grow up.
##### Gail Combs WROTE:
April 2, 2014 at 7:31 pm
Because the Banking cartel OWNS both parties.
Top Senate Democrat: bankers “own” the U.S. Congress
Heck the banksters have OWNED the USA since 1913.
I suggest you read Congressman McFadden’s Speech (republican) and Democrat Wright Patman’s Primer on Money
Until you trace the lines of power held by the banking elite (who also own the power companies) you will never understand what is actually going on.
Reply
###### I Responded to this email with
‘They’ don’t own every government Global means Global not the USA a common misconception held by most Americans.
Then she responds:
Since when did WORLD BANK not mean GLOBAL? Since when did INTERNATIONAL mean the USA?
Marlan Downey, “Former President of the international subsidiary of Shell Oil
WTF are you on about woman! you never mentioned anything about world bank in the email i responded to!! you clearly only mention the usa and usa government.
Like i said smoke and mirrors.
HERE:
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/01/24/a-kook-classic/#comment-333708
Wow! That is the first time I have seen Gail mad! I guess Steve can do something. Nothing productive however.
Gail you are so wrong, i’m sorry it makes you angry because your views are challenged and the very basic maths offend your views, one day you will understand and I may not be posting on this site then as your clique are just insulting babies; however, you will know you were wrong and I will know you were all wrong, bless 🙂
Hi Phil, you missed a ; and , in your post.
Whereas you post “short and wrong”? Apparently
Phil go away and lose some weight!!!
Ah! So “David” is David Appell! Still maintaining that CO2 is not a trace gas?
And my doctor would actually like me to gain weight. Still wrong and doubling down on it.
philjourdan,
I figure that Mother Nature is going to rub David and Steve’s noses into major snow banks in the coming decades. With luck we will not be so busy scrounging for food or starving we can enjoy the huge belly laugh at their expense.
What Dave and Steve forget is the lessons the Russian Intelligenstia found out the hard way. Once in power the totalitarians have no more use for the ‘useful idiots’ and since they have already proven to be willing traitors they are considered a major liability and ‘expendable’
Idiots you start the insults then moan when you get insulted, grow up and learn to read you fat old fucktards.
Your views mean nothing, the majority have spoken you were left wanting, the best bit is you know you are wrong and that’s what makes it funny.
Mad old crazy folk with your conspiracy theories LOL still not long now until your lies will just no longer wash no matter how fucking stupid you are.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_salad
No one has insulted you! You apparently do not know the meaning of the word. You come in here, express your view, and then start insulting people who debate your view. And then you whine about being picked upon!
Grow up! You are a pathetic little troll. And that is not an insult. It is a description of your behavior. Calling a skunk a skunk is not insulting the skunk.
Get some facts, then get some education. Then come back to debate your opinions if you choose. Projecting your own inadequacies is not debating.
So just how fat are you?
ERRR no I think you will find posters come on this site post their views and anyone who disagrees with your lies gets shouted down and insulted, when they give it back that’s when you get all moral and then gang up on them and throw more insults.
I think you will find I am more qualified than you fatty in debating maths and physics.
Now go and comfort eat something!
Non Sequitur. No one here cares about what you did as a child. This is the thread you are making your false allegations (lies). I really do not care if some 7 year old told you your mother wore combat boots.
Stop lying. you are still batting zero.
my GOD you are stupid look you are a freak so you get attracted to outside views to try and belong but the fact is your are probably very fat and a virgin 🙂 please grow up.
If you want to exchange school ground humour i’m funnier better looking and richer than you and I am definitely slimmer, BONES!!!!!!!!
More childish ad hominems from the juvenile who has yet to learn how to discuss things without getting mad and stomping his feat. Please continue David Appell. I do so enjoy your display of immaturity total lack of intelligence. Your insults mean nothing to me. Most normal people are not insulted when a leech complains of their blood type.
But then there is you. A child who does not seem able to make a statement with intelligence, just vitriol, hate and venom.
Phil
Who is David Appell???? to be fair if you ate more appells maybe you wouldn’t be so fat!
Everything i have posted is a fact that the point you fat idiot!
The other point is you started insulting me first! Now I KNOW you are fat it makes me laugh to insult you.
Moral: Don’t start insulting someone if your fat.
More childish insults from the child. The word is Apples. So you flunked spelling as well?
And what is your obsession with fat people? Since I have no picture posted of me (and indeed you will not find one on the internet), I can only reason that you are projecting either a fetish or a self portrait.
Whichever suits your infantile desire to insult I guess. David Appell (note the spelling – you can spell, can you not?)
Yes I know it was a play on words you fat prick!!!!!
And more projection from little david. Perhaps his real name is Richard. That would explain his latest comment.
Hi Phil
You posted the following:
‘More childish ad hominems from the juvenile who has yet to learn how to discuss things without getting mad and stomping his feat.’
Did you mean feet??
As I don’t understand the sentence otherwise!
Sarcasm is lost on the low brow.
Hi PHIL
You posted:
‘ Please continue David Appell. I do so enjoy your display of immaturity total lack of intelligence.’
I don’t understand the grammar you used here, I thought you were Mr perfect grammar, I’m confused as to what the above sentence was actually trying to say?
Childish adulation is rarely reality.
I have already told you that I make mistakes. Unlike you, I can admit them.
Ahh poor Phil, his favourite retort is to bring up spelling or grammar, when it is done back to him he gets ever so upset.
Bless.
YOu seem to still have not learned to read. I am not upset. I do not CARE about your pettiness. I already stated I was not a perfect grammarian or speller. But when you pen a totally incoherent diatribe, yes I call you out on it – regardless of the sock puppet you use.
You seem to think education is a punishment. And as long as you do, you will never learn a thing.
I think Pol Pot exemplified it the best. And on a percentage basis, he managed to exterminate 25% of his people.
Was he fat as well?
Was he in your weight watchers class?
I don’t know you were dating him, I thought you would have noticed if he was holding hand at weight watchers.
Geez! The petty insults are getting more childish. I guess intelligent discourse was exhausted by david when he declared “I want”.
Hi Gail Comb
This should help you
LINK 1: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/#gtemp
LINK 2: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/
LINK 3: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcrut3/diagnostics/global/nh%2Bsh/index.html
And this explains about your cherry picking data.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/petergleick/2012/02/05/global-warming-has-stopped-how-to-fool-people-using-cherry-picked-climate-data/2/
Thank you.
Hi deniers try this one.
http://www.icsusa.org/pages/articles/2013-icsusa-articles/may-2013—climate-science-data-cherry-picking.php#.Uz3ugJWPI5g
Aren’t you the one who claimed to not know who John Cook was? Aren’t you still posting in an article about John Cook?
Hi Stark
What is your point? You don’t know anything about global warming, maths or even basic physics yet your still posting on a blog about these topics!
navel gazing is not a spectator sport. We do not care about your self evaluations.
Hello fat little troll, try this one – http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1987/to:2015/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:2002/to:2015/trend/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1987/to:2015/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:2002/to:2015/trend/plot/rss/from:1987/to:2015/plot/rss/from:2002/to:2015/trend/plot/hadsst2gl/from:1987/to:2015/plot/hadsst2gl/from:2002/to:2015/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1987/to:2002/trend/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1987/to:2002/trend/plot/hadsst2gl/from:1987/to:2002/trend/plot/rss/from:1987/to:2002/trend
Hi Phil
Yes that is a classic example of cherry picking data thank you for sharing link.
No david. It is graphing data. Had your contention been correct, there would be no negative slope.
You are Still batting zero.
PHILJOURDON, David is correct its cherry picking data.
No, it is called graphing the data using a least square linear regression.
I understand those big words probably confuse you. But sorry, somethings cannot be put in single syllable words just for you.
No it is not called graphing the data using a least square linear regression, it is called posting shit that no mathematician on the planet would ever do, as he would be laughed at for the rest of his life.
For that you are an irrelevance.
Considering you have already proven you do not know facts, data or math, I can only attribute your latest episode of stompy feet to petulance. As a mathematician, I can state unequivocally that a mathematician did indeed graph that, from the data presented in datasets not under my control (so you are free to challenge the data itself), and it is indeed an accurate presentation of the data.
But I expect that all of that is going right over your head. So I expect another stompy feet tantrum to follow – devoid of any significance or facts.
Err no Phil only an idiot would present that information.
No, any one who understands the scientific process would post it. Or understand math. Since you have no clue on either, I can see your confusion.
Want to see it again? http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1987/to:2014/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:2002/to:2014/trend/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1987/to:2014/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:2002/to:2014/trend/plot/rss/from:1987/to:2014/plot/rss/from:2002/to:2014/trend/plot/hadsst2gl/from:1987/to:2014/plot/hadsst2gl/from:2002/to:2014/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1987/to:2002/trend/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1987/to:2002/trend/plot/hadsst2gl/from:1987/to:2002/trend/plot/rss/from:1987/to:2002/trend
Let’s see, taking data points, and graphing them is now stupid to our resident troll. Yep! Ignorant in multiple sciences.
Peter Glieck, the guy who should be in Jail?
GISS (Hansen) who has adjusted the temperature data out of all semblance of reality. (Like my 6 inches of snow that was reported as rain.)
And The Met??? The Met who is a complete laughingstock in the UK because they can’t get the forecasts right and have finally just given up?
And you accuse ME of cherry picking data? I never even mentioned recent temperature data. All I did was point out the geology (Milankovitch cycles from RECENT papers) and the fact that the Banksters/Oil companies are orchestrating this Hoax as a method of transferring wealth from the poor and middle class (us) into their own pockets. Doing a right good job of it too.
NOW READ THIS! YOU are also the ones who are about to get skinned! (You didn’t really think they would let you keep your wealth now did you?)
And speaking of the International Monetary Fund, they wrote another report:
These are the people YOU support.
Yes they are!
As they will go to any lengths to prove the lies and shit that comes from the unscrupulous organisation you promote are crushed into the ground and jailed themselves!
And Hansen did no such thing that is just a lie! And your mocking the MET for not be able to get the weather right what lies are spouting now and what has it got to do with anything
You are not a Scientist or mathematician you have no professional background to support your babble.
Your’re the one that should be in jail what your posting is liable!!
The ends justify the means. Yep! Good little bundist! I think I remember in history a nation doing that. They were defeated in a terrible war 70 years ago.
And they were socialists just like you.
And she is both a scientist and competent in mathematics. You have proven you are incompetent in both.
My scientific background has been checked out by both Pinkerton and the CIA.
Phil, Show me where I have proven myself to be incompetent in maths or Scientist? (whatever that means) or remain a liar !
The sentence below that you posted does not make sense Mr Grammar!
‘And she is both a scientist and competent in mathematics. You have proven you are incompetent in both.’
🙂
And what is a Bundist?
2 proofs,one sentence. So your petty pejorative is just that. You have no basis to call me a liar, you do so because you hope to intimidate me and “hurt my feelings” which is all you have posted in your diatribe laced rantings.
Sorry, the only way you could “hurt my feelings” is if I had any respect for you. Since you have proven to be respectless, I do not care about your infantile insults.
And as far as my sentence goes, “And she is both a scientist and competent in mathematics. You have proven you are incompetent in both.”
If you are incapable of understanding the sentence, perhaps you should take another class in ESL. It is clear and understandable to any average intelligent or better English speaker.
And now comes the next juvenile ad hominem from david in 3…2…1…
PHIL
There was no proof in that post you just quoted me asking you to stop posting cherry picked data if you thought the data was made up?
Poor david. Still cannot understand the written word. Sorry, I am not your teacher. Nor do I play one on TV. Your words are the proof of both your incompetence and of your inability to tell the truth.
The proofs are there. By your own words. If you do not understand what you are writing, why are you writing them? Seems you just cannot tell the truth to save your life.
Hi Phil
No that sentence does not makes sense? You can’t be incompetent in scientist that does not make sense you made a grammatical error.
You asked me to point out your grammatical errors, remember?
Also what is a Bundist?
david, declarative sentences do not end in question marks.
And I said you were free to point them out. However you are finding errors that do not exist. That is not helpful. But then that is all I can expect from you. You are not competent since you cannot understand what you or anyone else writes.
Dave,
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I am not aware that there has been a “Modern Warm Period’ now plateauing and possibly ending (as well as a Little Ice Age and a Medieval Warm Period.)
What you fail to realize is that I realize that a warm period (thermal pulse/ sea level highstand) came just before the big drop in other interglacials. The last interglacial had two thermal pulses coinciding with the timing of the Medieval Warm Period and the Modern Warm Period. The next ‘Climate Event’ after that second thermal pulse was the Wisconsin Ice Age.
Also, as one geologist put it: “Nothing I have read post 2005 supports greater than half-precession length for the Holocene.” (NOT something I wanted to hear. I was hoping the jury was still out.)
I have already linked to several of the papers which you have ignored. So here is another, how about reading it this time?
Global Warming is just not in the cards for at least the next 65,000 years. Glaciation however is possible. Even Woods Hole Observatory warned about this possibility:
Or if you prefer Dr Robert G. Brown (physicist) at Duke Univesity:
** bistable regime refers to Chaos theory, which the IPCC acknowledged describes climate in the Science Report in TAR:
Seriously Gail no one reads your posts as they are just drivel you silly woman. Not even your fellow deniers bother. you are just the smoke screen that’s post unnecessarily long posts about nothing to diluter the truth and sense that gets posted. pathetic really!!
You would do well to stop trying to act like a prognosticator as you suck at it. Most of us do read her posts. They contain intelligent and thoughtful observations. That does not mean we always agree. Yours however are merely mindless troll drivel.
Really Phil i seriously doubt you have ever read one of her posts past line two or three because even you are aware they are drivel.
Gee, I am SOOOOOO glad you know me better that I know myself.
Got to get rid of that god complex you have. Then maybe you can learn. A trait you do not seem to have developed yet.
Thanks phil,
I have met one year olds with a longer attention span than Dave.
He is typical of the low information, two second sound bite, serfs the Progressives are workingto develop, and he is completely incapable of even realizing it.
It is no coincidence that the main target for the brain damaging drugs forced on first graders by government schools are white males. Gotta dumb down those independent thinkers, especially the gifted ones by one means or another. Labeling the bored to tears intelligent kids ADHD and then drugging them is works very well.
(And Yes Dave -if you are still reading- I can back all that up.)
Interesting when you said “two second sound bite” after he just called me a liar and said I never read past your second line. I guess that is called projection? 😉
He is still reading. His ego will not allow him to let go.
Phil he may be reading but it will take him forever because he will have to go look up the big words so often.
Why do you think they resort to Ad Homs, The can not understand the scientific papers I am linking to they just do not have the background.
Gail my dear little girl what is back ground and experience to make such statements your attempt at babble does amuse me but that is all it is is as it seems you like analogies. The denier logic, maths and physics on here sounds like a baby trying to say its first words that what its sounds like to me.
If you had my higher understanding of these things then yes we could debate unfortunately not one of you is qualified enough to even debate the basics in any type of civil manner and when someone bites back after being verbally abused you get very moral.
For this you are all an irrelevance and your views are meaningless, one day you will find out you were so wrong i hope you have the good grace to admit it you yourselves but when that day happens remember i told you don’t forget on the day you realise the truth and that global warming is appending at it man induced.
Remember I told you that day would come and that your babies babble level entry maths and physics sounded so amusing to me.
🙂 🙂 🙂
Hope you learn how to read data correctly soon, im off to conspire with all the other scientists in world EVERYONE of us who have been been paid off to hide the truth.
Every single scientist has been paid off and bribed not one scientist wants to be the first to publish a paper any more being the first to prove global warming is lie.
what is back ground
Check your computer desktop. That is background.
Your post is virtually impossible to read, with missing punctuation, unintelligible phrases, and random words strung together that it is impossible to communicate with you. Your incessant use of childish ad hominems indicate a lack of maturity as your incoherent ramblings indicate a lack of intelligence.
In short, dialog, much less debate is impossible until you learn English, grow up, and stop acting like a petulant child.
Phi,
You are correct. If I ever wrote like that my boss would have had hissy fits.( I am the only one he did not send to remedial writing class.)
At a number of companies I have been taped by my regional plant managers to give presentations to the corporate president and VPs. Some of my reports (with another’s name slapped on) have been distributed worldwide. I therefore find his tirade quite funny.
Talk about teaching Grandma to suck eggs! (I prefer mine in a lightly browned omellete with cheese and…)
Hi Gail and Phi are you both under the assumption that correct grammar makes you intelligent? If you are then I mock you.
Sorry it was confusing for you; however, having read your posts, how you can even mention grammar I have no idea.
Neither of you have you have any professional background or qualifications to substantiate any of your false claims all you can do is cherry pick data, data that we provide you in its full format.
I think you will find that both of you started the insults to me and others and when thrown back at you that is when you start crying and acting like the victim.
Which makes you liars to even throw that accusation at anyone other than yourselves!
Deniers are liars who act like children and cant grasp basic maths or have any understanding of physics for that you are an irrelevance.
Thank you for trying to patronise me about my grammar hopefully this post was easy enough for you to understand.
@Steve – grammar is important as words mean things. However it is not the only factor. Intelligence in writings count. As does spelling.
You failed in all 3. Your grammar may have been perfect, but you conveyed no message, no thought, no intelligence. The fact you cannot spell does lend to the idea that perhaps you are not yet at the age of maturity.
If you are going to call people liars without producing evidence of such, you will be banned.
And this
https://www.skepticalscience.com/cherrypicking-deny-continued-ocean-global-warming.html
[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOW7GOrXNZI&w=420&h=315%5D
and this – http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1987/to:2015/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:2002/to:2015/trend/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1987/to:2015/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:2002/to:2015/trend/plot/rss/from:1987/to:2015/plot/rss/from:2002/to:2015/trend/plot/hadsst2gl/from:1987/to:2015/plot/hadsst2gl/from:2002/to:2015/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1987/to:2002/trend/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1987/to:2002/trend/plot/hadsst2gl/from:1987/to:2002/trend/plot/rss/from:1987/to:2002/trend
Hi Phil
Yes that does show an example of cherry picking, thank you for posting link.
It is curious how folk with your views never respond to comments and real data, but simply ignore them The additional CO2 has resulted in no change in NH snow cover, no increase in hurricanes, droughts, fires, storms, sea level rise, etc, however it has produced about 12 to 18 percent more food on the same amount of water, sunlight and soil conditions.
David: “Black swans don’t exists baby fat liars denier scum.”
Phil: “Here’s a picture of a black swan in Australia.”
David: “Cherry picking!”
Great analogy! david would prefer I painted a white swan black.
Well, based upon the demonstrated intelligence, integrity, vocabulary, and personality, I predict that “David” has a promising career ahead either in the Department of Motor Vehicles, or as a road-side tax collector.
He seems particularly well suited for the DMV. He would serve as a shining gem in that organization!!
No david, it shows the data as is. It shows warming and cooling. It does not show continuous warming. You are batting zero.
To STARK
just so you know your analogy makes no sense what so ever! For that you are now an irrelevance.
In your mind. YOu got to get over this god complex you possess.
I am a god, so hurry up with my damn massage.
You are dyslexic.
I ma nto!
I am sure you think so.
Hi STark, Shaz and david A
In response to my alleged non response to real data as below for the 10th time of posting!!seriously you just go round in circles don’t you?? Pathetic.
LINK 1: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/#gtemp
LINK 2: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/
LINK 3: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcrut3/diagnostics/global/nh%2Bsh/index.html
And this explains about your cherry picking data.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/petergleick/2012/02/05/global-warming-has-stopped-how-to-fool-people-using-cherry-picked-climate-data/2/
……And this explains about your cherry picking data.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/petergleick/2012/02/05/global-warming-has-stopped-how-to-fool-people-using-cherry-picked-climate-data/2/here…
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NOPE – That is Peter Gleick the Liar using smoke and mirrors to confuse the weak of mind.
The problem is that people confuse functions and their derivatives; they say that something is “warm” even though they mean that it’s “getting warmer” or vice versa.
A neutral example: Is I am going fast (traveling at a steady 55 mph) vs I am going faster (entering an interstate and accelerating from 55mph to 70 mph.)
So the question becomes is it still WARMING. That is did the average temperature go from 50.0 °F in 2010 to 50.2 °F in 2013. That question has nothing to do with how warm it is but only wether the function is increasing decreasing or staying (statistically within 2 std dev.) the same.
The question also gives you the starting point. Today and going back in time.
The third part of the question is what is the length of time of ‘no change in the temperature’ needed to ‘disprove’ or at least cast doubt on CAGW according to statements made by Warmist scientists.
So it is NOT CHERRY PICKING to start in the present and go back the number of years WARMISTS STATE are need to cast doubt on CAGW. To say any different is to be a lying weasel but Peter Gleick has already proved, out of his own mouth no less, he should be in jail for the federal crime of wire fraud.
The Hypothesis Rejection Criteria
1. Prof. Phil Jones saying in the Climategate emails – “Bottom line: the “no upward trend” has to continue for a total of 15 years before we get worried.” Also see: interview with Judith Curry and Phil Jones
2. Ben Santer in a 2011 paper “Our results show that temperature records of at least 17 years in length are required for identifying human effects on global-mean tropospheric temperature.” link
3. The NOAA falsification criterion is on page S23 of its 2008 report titled The State Of The Climate
4. We are looking at ‘no changes in temperature over a period longer than the 10 years’ that James Hansen once said would show the models wrong;
So the falsification criteria is 15 years to 17 years. That is why we start at the present and count backwards. Once we hit 17 years The Goose is Cooked. Unfortunately the Goose seems to be a zombie and keeps rising from the dead.
Anyone have silver bullets, garlic and a wooden stake?
It keeps rising like zombie because it keeps getting warmer its all there for you but you insist on ignoring most of the data and just focus on what proves you mad hat theories correct instead of looking at the entire data like scientists / Mathematicians would.
With that in mind i now see you as an irrelevance in this discussion.
Please feel free to post more unnecessarily long posts which are nothing more than smoke and mirrors for this thread to dilute the truth and common sense that has been posted in mire of rubbish from your hand.
Oh, darn I forgot I included the link to Gleick’s drivel. Sorry Steve, the comment got booted by wordpress.
This by the way explains the clinging to the irrational by dave:
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” ? Carl Sagan
Hi Gail COMBS
It does no such thing! are you saying there is global conspiracy and only you the select few can see it?
Or are you saying the satellite information (that you cherry pick) is made up?
Im confused as to what you are now suggesting 🙂 🙂 🙂
Because if the satellite information is just made up then all of your cherry picked data is also made up as this is where you get your figures from!!
unless your saying deniers have sent up there own satellites?? 🙂
Or are you sticking to the global conspiracy theory??
You couldn’t make it up.
OK GAIL COMBS as it is you, I will let you in on the secret, us alarmists are hiding cold all over the place, I hid some yesterday in my fridge and some of my fellow scientist friends asked NASA if they could take some cold off the planet in specially designed COLD Pods.
To help prove our maths correct please don’t tell anyone i let you in on the secret.
and these people are supposed to be helping the cause???
Don’t fall for it guys…they were paid by the Koch brothers to make warmistas look like fools
Latitude, that is the best comment in this thread.
Why because it insults someone with opposite views again?
The link below is very interesting I found it very informative what do you think?
http://neven1.typepad.com/blog/2014/04/piomas-april-2014.html
Truly a brilliant mind at work. Look at all that math. Look at that education. Why, SteveDavid might even qualify to clean a toilet at Burger King, if he wasn’t so filthy.
Wow so you have now cherry picked parts of posts, you really are low aren’t you? Do you slither around on your belly and do everything your boss says?
Worm.
More worthless ad hominems from the guy who does not understand what he just wrote. He would be funny if he was not so pathetic.
David says:
April 9, 2014 at 8:47 pm
Do you actually read the garbage you write, SteveDavid? I think we should vote on the stupidest thing ever written on this site. I’ll bet I know a certain hebephrenic who’s a shoo-in.
Hey Stark
Who is SteveDavid?
Oh never mind, I don’t care, enjoy your the site, if you all didn’t insult, jump down peoples throats and mock them the second they posted opposing views maybe this site would be taken seriously.
However; as the site operator behaves in this way its no coincidence that the rabble sheep follow suit.
Thank you and good bye.
You are. You really think you are anonymous? hardly. The owner knows more about you than you know yourself.