The large expansion of Eastern Arctic sea ice and record northern hemisphere snow cover, makes it quite clear that waters in the northern seas have sharply cooled. Feel free to ignore reality, if it suits you.
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Governments paid scientists to hide reality from the public after WWII.
The consequences of that decision are only now facing society.
Having survived sixty-nine years of deception, we are totally unprepared for the very real possibility of a drop in global temperatures.
Not sure how the snow is proof of Arctic waters cooling so Bob Tisdale is a liar or misinformed then .
Oh dear.
The fact that you don’t understand weather or the freezing point of ice, doesn’t give you license to troll. If you want to be spam, keep up this behavior.
Steve, why are you so aggressive and why is asking a question trolling? I’ve visited your site for years and have left comments and now you call me a troll. Sod you Steve you’ve lost a fan
It looks like you are trying to cause a scandal. I don’t know anything about what Bob Tisdale did or the accuracy of his sources.
Seriously? Calling Bob Tisdale a liar is not aggressive ?
Oh Dear !!!!
you know there’s the old story about a meeting of the communist party where the chairman says “any questions”? Silence and then among all the delgates a hand goes up and says “what happened to that bloke who asked a question last year”
Question from a total novice:
Is there a concern for the lack of ice in the East Siberian Sea?
It will freeze over in a few days
No, no, no Steven..
We know that warmer waters around the Antarctic are causing the sea ice to expand,
(cos they told us so)..
why wouldn’t sea ice in the Arctic also be an indication of warmer waters. 🙂 /sarc !
bob tisdale says Unisys in wrong tony says its right if that’s aggressive sorry
Bob is entitled to his opinion.
The phenomena I observe are consistent with rapidly cooling SST’s
Now that’s a fair enough answer it was the silence I couldn’t come to grips with , because in truth I was hoping you was on to something; I wasn’t trying to trip you up or anything like that and there is also this, can we trust the data we see. But trouble is that has to be proved and I don’t have the intelligence to do that. That’s why I’m relying on you.
I believe Unisys says Unisys is wrong too, and have withdrawn the offending data.
Try to get your facts right before accusing people of lying.
Who’s accusing anyone of lying why are you jumping in like you’re in a punch up at a wedding reception
Hmm:
Unisys has done nothing of the sort. They are reviewing their color scheme.
Lawrence was fine except the reference to calling Bob T a liar. for myself, I think we will have a better idea about the accuracy of disparate SST charts when we see the satellite data for November above those regions.
I was sorry to see that Unisys took its SST maps offline. While pointing out the differences between their maps and the ones from NOAA at another site, I also pointed out I was not going to be quick to jump on NOAA’s bandwagon. I do learn lessons from history. I don’t know how skeptics can look at the charts and the global views of the Arctic at WUWT (hated giving them a plug at your site) and not conclude that a large shift of some kind has occurred planetary wide. At the same time the Arctic freeze is accelerating, melting past the 2013-2014 line is occurring in the Antarctic. Coincidence?
The DMI Arctic temperature chart also shows a sharp drop in temperature over the last several days, going below the average temperature line for this time of year.
I’d had that thought. Is this the year when the Antarctic starts a “Death Spiral” and the Arctic does it’s best Jesus impersonation?
Not until the antarctic stops having record high levels of sea ice.
Over the last several days ice levels have fallen below the 2013-2014 level, but well above historic levels.
The current interglacial is getting pretty old and could end at any time. We should be thinking about ways to delay the return of the ice sheets since CO2 doesn’t seem to have the power to do it. Perhaps space-based solar reflectors.
Yep, if you look at historical CO2 v temp graphs you will see that while CO2 and temp peak close to each other, those peaks of CO2 are UNABLE TO MAINTAIN the high temperatures.
If those peaks in CO2 had any warming effect, the temperature would not drop.
Griss, your using that logic argument again.
Tut-tut, can’t have that when CO2 warming feels just sooo right – a nice simple idea for nice simple minds. So don’t upset the UN’s money machine or confuse all the sheeple with logic.
The “snowball earth” numbers for CO2 (if I remember correctly) have been guessed at by geologists in the 2000 to 4000 ppm range or an order of magnitude higher than today. That was pole to pole glaciation. CO2 level increases would actually lower the heat in the atmosphere is its specific heat and gas constant are lower than the averages of those values for our atmosphere.
sorry, as its specific heat… wish we could edit… WordPress are you listening?
The effect of a change of 100ppm of CO2 in changing the specific heat of the atmosphere is very, very, very tiny. 🙂
Yes it would be so far down in the noise it could never be identified just like the gas constant… but both of them would make the atmosphere colder if they could be measured.
The effect of a drop of red dye into a bucket may be small, but it will DOUBLE the original effect if it was the 2nd drop of dye.
The important thing is the ratio between the original and the additional.
In that regard we are lucky that CO2s effect is logarithmic, else we might have frozen by now.
Nielzoo: That alone complete negates C02 “warming” and I am amzed the warmists have not seesn this. In the past High C02 has been related with massive ice ages NOT wasrming! In any case C02 probably has no effect on Atmospheric temps and never did.
The only effect the miniscule amount of CO2 in our atmosphere DOES have is that it allows chlorophyll based plants to grow and they have a far greater effect on our planet’s atmosphere. But remember, the Climateers don’t do biology or physics, they only do “political science” and have no clue whatsoever about any of the physical sciences.
In answer to Colorado: Like most of us here I have not nailed my colours to the mast of global warming and like most when Steve displayed that Unisys chart it was a gob smacking moment, the validity of that chart caused gasps all around the sceptic world and Bob Tisdale stepped in over at WUWT. Eventually Unisys were involved and admitted the colour banding was enhancing the warming. So I wanted to see if Tony had a response but there wasn’t one that addressed his original post . I did ask politely in another of Tony’s thread but was ignored than I had a some abrasive response like I shouldn’t have aisled the question and we all new anyway. Then Tony started a new thread about the Plain line seeing Russia from Alaska and it that it seemed to refer the to the Unisys issue or sea temps being far lower. Anyhow Bod Tisdale says a lot without saying much but he does seem confident that the other measuring orgs are accurate and there is no remarkable cooling. Listen I’m just a punter who desperately searches for evidence to show AGW is misinformed and out of step with reality. This is an open blog Tony did make the post about Unisys I want to believe it but the debate over at WUWT seems to say no Unisys is wrong and Unisys accept that as well. Now are you all telling me that I should not have asked Tony what he thought about that in a polite way? I wasn’t after embarrassing Tony in fact I wanted to be able to say they are wrong and the Unisys data is wrong or if not then acknowledge the problems with Unisys .
Let me ask this : Was I wrong in trying to ask the question.
Unisys has not “admitted” any error that I am aware of. There are lots of reasons to believe that the North Atlantic has sharply cooled.
Lawrence,
I think it was using the word “liar”, especially in the context of Bob Tisdale that sent Steve’s “troll” reflex off. The original question was probably better phrased by asking why there was a discrepency between Steve’s original post and Bob’s WUWT post.
I agree with TS.. It was the use of the “liar” word.
There was absolutely no need for it.
Just remarking that there seemed to be a difference in interpretation, or something like that, would have been a good entry into the discussion.
I’m sure that if you admit that it was a wrong choice of words, and apologise for using it, all will be forgotten.
O-buoy 9 is near the N Pole. Pretty cold there. Getting down to -35C.
http://obuoy.datatransport.org/data/obuoy/var/plots/buoy9/campbell/temperature-1month.png?timestamp=1415325891040
Weather pattern showing north winds driving that cold into the Barents, and Kara seas, which has happened a lot this year. Good ice making weather.
http://mag.ncep.noaa.gov/data/gfs/18/gfs_arctic_000_10m_wnd_precip.gif
This bozo “Lawrence13” is *concern trolling* here and at WUWT. He’s a diehard warmunist apparatchik — clumsily trying to drive a wedge between the two guys that the nasty Year Zero warmists fear most: Steven Goddard and Bob Tisdale.
And that explains that. Can him as SPAM, Steve.
Are you some sort of fool N/A or Nut Amateur. A hard ” a diehard warmunist apparatchik” if you said that to my face I’d ask you to step outside, you idiot.
just check here to see how pathetically absurd your moronic statement is
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/uk.sci.weather.
search the archives , you do know how to use them right you tool.
FFS sake I ask a question of Steve /Tony and I get these low level morons trying to attack my integrity? My name and my email address is genuine unlike yours. Do you realise what damage this mindless closing of the wagons does?
By the way n/a, get a fucking real name you cowardly twat.
Let’s just see what happens with the SST data in the future. These discussions of people and personalities are not constructive.
My apologies for losing it a tad but you can doubt my ability, doubt my intelligence but I will never have my integrity questioned, I’ve walked a lonely path over at UK sci weather especially as many are part of the UKMO forecasting state funded industry that I have poured non stop scorn on for their Pravda type stance on AGW. Whoever n/a is they are out of order.
I’m now on wet coolish dull London Saturday afternoon watch Manchester United (my team as I’m a Londoner) demolish poor old Crystal Palace.
Your walk away from the consensus science crowd will also be lonely.
There is no other path to sanity.
Sanity is contact with:
1. Reality
2. Truth
3. God, or
4. Great Spirit
See Yellow Lark’s prayer: https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/Public/Yellow_Lark%27s_Prayer.pdf
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10640850/Yellow_Lark's_Prayer.pdf
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Thank you, Tony, for confirming that Science, Religion and Democracy are connected:
The recent election, the Climategate scandal, the Libertarian movement, the Tea Party and the pro-gun lobby have reaffirmed this reality.
The Father of quantum physics – Max Planck – and the Father of our nation – Thomas Jefferson – had it right:
Behind the Force of Life that created and sustains every atom, life and world in the solar system is a conscious and intelligent Mind that endowed humans with inalienable rights of free will and self governance:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10640850/The_FORCE.pdf
Evil (arrogance, pride, jealousy, etc.) is the price of granting free will to each person.
Such evil created the
1. New World Order to take totalitarian control of humanity, and
2. Illusion of free will to choose:
_ a.) Labor or Conservative
_ b.) Republicans or Democrats
_ c.) Communists or Capitalists
_ d.) Climate Model A or B or C
_ e.) Putin or Obama, meanwhile
The New World Order promotes the UN as an agency of humanity while Agenda 21 tightens UN ‘s totalitarian control of the world.
http://altmeedia.wordpress.com/2014/05/31/agenda-21/
The recent election, the Climategate scandal, the Libertarian movement, the Tea Party and the pro-gun lobby continue to remind us of this reality.