There should be crosshairs and two dead terrorists. Not a photo op.
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Are you blaming the person taking the photo?
I’m blaming progressives for disarming the citizenry.
Steve could you fish my morning comment out of the spam pile?
And you are exactly correct.
I wonder if the ‘Hands up, don’t shoot!’ crowd has their passports and tickets to Paris yet?
Well PUT, Sir!
Dan Kurt
If the police trusted the citizens, they would not feel the need to disarm everyone who isn’t working for government.
If the citizens trusted the police they would not protest as much about the number of extra-judicial killings and lack of accountability.
The divided society is a great opportunity for terrorism. Question remains who wants to put a bit of effort into fixing that, before it gets worse.
“If the citizens trusted the police they would not protest as much about the number of extra-judicial killings and lack of accountability.”
The ‘citizen’ ‘protests’ are nothing more than racial demonstrations. You don’t see white people demonstrating over white criminals being killed.
Yeah, you do actually. And no it isn’t about race.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2601801/posts?page=138
http://www.ladybud.com/2014/08/06/justice-for-danielle-willard-victim-of-fatal-police-shooting/
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/story/27699408/heated-protest-in-missouri-city
https://www.facebook.com/events/725715987504810/
http://homicide.latimes.com/post/rigoberto-arceo-smile-and-wave/
https://screen.yahoo.com/cbs-lm-cbs-dfw/vigil-held-jerry-waller-031500212.html
No, you don’t. Erik Scott was not committing a crime, AKA not a criminal. Please read, and comprehend.
Same goes for Jerry Waller, not a criminal.
According to police, Rigoberto went for the gun and had been fighting earlier, and he is not white. This has nothing to do with my comment.
And where are the demonstrations for John Geer? I have seen zero in St Louis or NYC. This case is still under investigation, the cops were called to his home for a reason, but never to mine. Hmmmm.
Danielle Willard was buying illegal drugs and hit a police officer with her car. No sympathy from me, she was responsible for her own death.
Chad Chadwick was not killed. He did resist arrest and was brought down with nonlethal force.
The ‘citizen’ ‘protests’ are nothing more than racial demonstrations. You don’t see white people demonstrating over white criminals being killed.
Sure, if you look long enough, you may find one exception, like any rule. Looks like my comment stands, it is a racial issue that needs to be squashed.
How about you read and comprehend?
The definition of a criminal is someone who has been convicted by a jury in a court of law, with judge, witnesses and evidence. Innocent until PROVEN guilty.
Not on your say so. Not by guesswork of the police in the street either.
Due process, there for a reason, a very good reason.
If you think Chad Chadwick was resisting arrest, when he was attacked while asleep then I don’t think this conversation can go any further.
Just come back with a bit of common sense. Or wait until the problem gets much worse, which I’m sure it will the way it’s going.
“The definition of a criminal is someone who has been convicted by a jury in a court of law, with judge, witnesses and evidence. Innocent until PROVEN guilty.
When a man is standing in my living room, just past the door he kicked in, I do not wait for a jury to tell me if he is a criminal or not. I am not a court of law.
“If you think Chad Chadwick was resisting arrest, when he was attacked while asleep then I don’t think this conversation can go any further.”
“While I had my hands up naked in the shower they shot me with a 40 millimeter non-lethal round,” said Chadwick.”
“How about you read and comprehend?”
So Chad was sleeping in the shower? Huh?
Get over yourself Tel, only blacks and idiots are rioting in the streets over criminals getting killed.
None of the protests were about someone who got shot by a home owner after smashing their way into a house, and you know it, so don’t just make stuff up.
If anything it was the police who have been in the habit of breaking down doors, after telling lies to a judge to get a warrant.
Here’s the link where it explains that Chadwick was sleeping in the bathtub (yes he had a few drinks beforehand, no that’s not a crime, no you still don’t get to go around calling people criminals when it suits you, not how it works, sorry).
http://policestatedaily.com/innocent-man-shot-tased-brutally-beaten-swat-welfare-check-wins-jury-trial/
Oh wait, that’s the same article you already quoted, so you read that right? You knew that, you didn’t need me to point it out.
Do you think some bathtubs might also be the shower? A lot of small bathrooms are like that.
Do you think that some stun grenades might wake you up, if they went off in a small room? Might make a sleeping person suddenly jump, or something. I mean it could do, just putting that out there.
And I might point that as a matter of fact a jury found Chadwick innocent on all the trumped up charges that got thrown at him, so for what it’s worth officially and by law he never once was resisting arrest. Not at all. Not even a little bit.
You do respect the law I hope?
http://www.officialteapartyusa.com/pt/Police-Punish-Man-for-Being-Innocent/blog.htm
That basically sums it up. Decisions and consequences, applies to a nation just like it applies to individuals.
OK. so when the police were identifying themselves outside the door, Chad was asleep, in the tub and did not hear them. That makes sense. And when they broke down the door he likely got up disoriented, and likely did not follow police orders to lie down, hence the bean bag. So what? The police were doing their job. I keep police away by not attracting them with asinine actions, and so could have Chad. Would you rather not have police?
My illustration (and that’s all it was) about the break in meant to show that I do not need a jury to tell me a criminal is a criminal. For Christ’s sake, my local news channel ran a story about a thief who stole a delivery van for a getaway vehicle. Numerous eye witnesses including police (and surveillance video) observed this man rob two stores, steal a van and smash said van in accident as police were chasing him. The news channel called him a ‘suspect’, I call him a criminal.
You are creating a strawman that does not address my comment. Do you support criminals like Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin? If you do, then we will not come to any form of agreement.
ALL PEOPLES SHARE WITH EVERY LIVING SOUL THAT YOU KNOW:
http://www.thesleuthjournal.com/nbc-news-americans-will-microchipped-less-3-years/
Times have certainly changed since I went to Paris (OK, it was 35 years ago).
I still vividly remember us getting lost in a maze of back streets. Seeing a policeman standing on the street corner, one of my friends decided (in very bad French) to ask him the way to the nearest Metro, only to have the business end of a sub-machine gun shoved up his left nostril.
Yup, that’s the Paris I remember.
Once I travelled on the overnight boat train from London via Dieppe as I recall.
As the night drew on I struck up a conversation with a charming guy, he was Egyptian, his father was a diplomat and he was studying at Oxford. The next morning at the crack of early we walked out of the Gare Du Nord. Being young and having no idea where to go for breakfast we decided to ask a sweet looking old lady at a newspaper stand for help.
My acquaintance who spoke much better French that me approached her and spoke to her in polite and fluent French.
She spat directly in his face.
Yes, that is the Paris I remember. Most unfriendly of all the people I met in Europe and I was over there for a year.
I would not disagree Gail but on the other hand I had one of my greatest experiences of comradeship came in France with French veterans commemorating both wars. And though many of the young can be arrogant the respect and politeness is not just restricted to the old either! And they sure as hell take very good care of those plots of ground where so many Americans found their final resting place from both of the great wars on their land and of some of the places where those lives were lost.
So much of it at Normandy has become commercialized but if one pays attention the real feelings of pain, gratitude, and respect are still there to this day. Sometimes maybe a sense of awe even. But then again I was a soldier in uniform with an Airborne tabs on my shoulders and wings on my chest when I visited Normandy. As I found several times during my travels in Europe in the uniform to countries once liberated, the wings were something special to many of them even if a green beret meant nothing to them and those wings garnered a respect that I did not earn but which was earned before I was born. So I always looked at it as a respect for the wings and the uniform and the heritage of those that earned it, and not for me. Too many young men paid the ultimate price for that and I did not nor ever will amount to a pimple on their butts. But I will always be proud to have been a second generation paratrooper.
And though it may seem like ancient history there is one fact that is not taught in schools that should forever be remembered as long as there is a France and United States. When one accounts for the French feet blockading Yorktown, there were more Frenchmen there than Americans when Lord Cornwallis gave up his flag by proxy. And it was the idea of the French that Washington march south that brought about that event.
And finally in Beirut, though most Americans don’t seem to know this, the French barracks was bombed at the same time as the Marines. And I will tell you that we were as tight as ticks with them when the chips were down when I was there a couple months later and they were some damned fine soldiers.
So Vive La France and let us hope for the second coming of Charles Martel.
Isn’t multi-culturism and a disarmed populous a wonderful thing? Any knowledgeable person with a 30.06 rifle could have picked these two guys off in a nano-second and saved 12 lives including the police officer laying on the ground begging for his life.
Hell a .22 varmint rifle would have world at that distance.. And a .223 would have blown off big chunks of terrorist .
According to a report on BBC News, they had an UNARMED police guard, who ran away when the shooting started.
The French are very good and running away & surrendering 😉
The French continued fighting the Germans for 5 weeks after the British ran (sailed?) away from Dunkirk.
Should also have said the British (Englishman Churchill) abandoned the 51st Highland Division at St Valery-en-Caux. That is kept very quiet in the UK these days.
http://51hd.co.uk/history/valery_1940
Why do French tanks have 4 gears in reverse and only 1 in forward?
The 1 in forward is in case they are attacked from the rear.
Posting unarmed guards at a site that was firebombed by Islamic extremists in 2011 is the joke equivalent. Except not funny.
They were unarmed?
Holy crap, that’s ridiculous. Whoever made that decision should be dragged out to the town square, to answer a question two.
Now government doesn’t even trust its own employees.
Police have named 42-year-old Muslim policeman Ahmed Merabet as the officer
killed in Wednesday’s attack on a satirical magazine in Paris.
He was a Muslim!
The vast majority of religion motivated violence by Muslims is against other Muslims.
The religion of peace at work …
My Grandfather was a Druze so I am well aware of that.
We should have left them to themselves instead of mettling, but the Rockefellers wanted to make $$$$ off Saudi oil. We have been paying for that ever since/
The French police have the option to carry a firearm, which should terrify the population they’re supposed to be protecting.
It appears that they have signs posted all over saying, “Gun Free Zone”…
Wow, that is just sad. American cops are probably a little too overzealous, but at least you won’t see them begging terrorists for their lives. All French citizens need to demand the right to keep and bear arms.
Not real comfortable saying anything about a dead cop but the first thing I said to myself when I saw that picture was “That is not LAPD!”
Enough, Gentlemen!
Stephane Charbonnier had guts. He was French. I wish we had leaders like him in American media, instead of the usual yellow mob.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQDfgA1Xx5w
Also Western politician don’t like free speech for We The People. They would ban it today if they could.
As I got to the front door of the building, two masked, armed gunmen brutally threatened us,” she told L’Humanité. “They wanted to enter, go up. I typed the code.”
Rey, who goes by “Coco,” said she hid under a desk while the gunmen shot and killed a dozen staffers inside the office.
http://news.yahoo.com/young-mother-let-terrorists-into-charlie-hebdo-building-after-threat-against-daughter-190057740.html
How many people commenting here know what happened in Paris in 1961?
How many people here know about the history of the French in Algeria?
I love this website because Steve mercilessly debunks Warmists and their data fiddling.
When it comes to knee-jerk political reactions, I’m afraid this website panders to the ill informed.
By the way, in case anyone thinks I’m pro Islamist they couldn’t be further from the truth…but I will tell you one thing for sure…the best way to strengthen any religion is to persecute it.
Like drone attacks by the USA that have killed thousands of innocent people all over the Middle East and Africa with whole countries living in terror of getting droned. While the Paris massacre is barbaric and rightly condemned it pales compared to the damage US drones have done to family gatherings and wedding parties. Yet those attacks barely rate a mention if they get mentioned at all. The US counts every adult male killed by drone a terrorist even though they have no proof. Thus kill counts of terrorists are highly inflated to justify a program that keeps the US “safe” but in reality creates 10 terrorists for every innocent civilian killed.
Nobody is persecuting Islam. The only thing asked is to behave 21th century style, nothing more, nothing less. And that includes freedom of speech in a two-way-direction.
The only persecution is done by Islam itself: here (in the West) and there.
Your next question please?
US actions had zero to do with multiple massacres of school children by Islamists, and literally hundreds of other brutal attacks of barbaric murder of multiple non US innocents.
Not that I consider Obama’s use of the drone policy if it is killing many innocents, good policy. And if the reports are true, his casual comment about ” I am getting good at this” in reference to his drone orders, is very sick.
Au contraire.
We have assassin drone robot killers murdering thousands of Muslims in the last decade. They feel they have a right to play this assassin/bombing/killing civilian games since we play it, too.
emsnews says:
January 8, 2015 at 3:10 pm
Drone killings by the United States in the 1200s? Who knew?!
http://etymonline.com/index.php?term=assassin
Charles, I may share some of your sentiments but I’m afraid that in your frustration you’ve overstated your case.
Most skeptical websites are by definition “big tents” when it comes to the political positions of their readers. In fact, we don’t even agree what to do about the very subject.
Some skeptics try to stay out of politics and keep it “scientific” but even they must know it’s a dodge since the whole mess is political. Goddard chooses to comment on Progressive politics and he does it in the same “merciless” style you like when used against the warmists.
He also understands that the “global warming” campaign is just one battle in a very successful and long running collectivist assault on the liberal Western civilization in general and the American ideal of limited government in particular (an imperfect ideal that had been expertly hollowed out since the very beginning, I should add to avoid unnecessary quarrels).
I frequently read things on skeptical websites that make me shake my head. There are commenters who would like to fix our problems with more collectivism. I say they are mistaken and ill-informed but I don’t think this website panders to them.
I believe that we must limit the power and reach of governments and restore the rights of individuals. Steven Goddard is a passionate advocate for that position and he attracts like-minded people. Yes, some of them express reflexive and simplistic sentiments at times. I can live with it—hell, I’ve done it myself.
We must keep in mind what the real fight is and take any allies we can find.
P.S. Concerning your pre-emptive disclaimer: I can’t imagine anybody here thinking you are pro-Islamist based on your references to 1961 and la guerre d’Algérie. I also think you are right about the impact of persecution on religion.
I just don’t understand your point. Who do you think wants to persecute Islam? None of the comments above advocate that. Did you mean the United States then? If so, ask any Serbs of your acquaintance what they think about America’s role in the Yugoslav wars.
The biggest problem Islam has is its own Ummah. The West should pay attention to el-Sisi.
I take your point.
I do however still feel that the MSM portrays all Islam as being toxic and inflames the ignorant and extremists on both sides of the conflict.
I don’t know. Some outlets like the Mirror and L’Express do implicate Islam in the carnage but in a positive, chivalrous kind of way:
On the other hand, the New York Times reported the same scene without any reference to the killers’ faith:
More here:
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2015/01/08/fixed-it/#comment-478482
http://www.eutimes.net/2015/01/sweden-belongs-to-the-immigrants-not-the-swedes-former-prime-minister/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheEuropeanUnionTimes+%28The+European+Union+Times%29
Charles, I found another MSM article that supports your charge. USA Today published this editorial pointing to the culpability of Islam and Muslims in the Charlie Hebdo massacre:
This editorial definitely portrays Islam as being toxic and inflames the ignorant and extremists on both sides …
One thing is that we should be sure to give credit to Egyptian president Sissi who has called for full reform of violent Islam. And he must be crying about this Paris incident.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/egypts-president-calls-for-revolution-in-interpretation-of-islam-in-face-of-militancy/article22359546/
Sorry, that would be profiling, and we know that is wrong.
France is looking for 3 people of indeterminate gender, race and creed. Grannies better be careful walking on the streets.
In the US when there is a report that murderous thugs are running wild, they NEVER describe them so we can spot them.
Jihad in America
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/01/08/jihad-in-america-2014/
A lot more violence, murder, and extortion than is reported. The part about building mega-mosques and the DOJ is especially disturbing.
As I have said. Obummer is a Muslim.
“@Anjem Choudary (3:43 p.m. EST January 8, 2015),
Let’s hope that our craven “Leaders” will wake up and defy the ugly ideas of this bigot.