More Arctic Ice Than 1922

According to Gavin Schmidt, 1922 was one of the coldest years on record. The Arctic was melting down and ice never formed along  coasts of Spitzbergen.

https://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/050/mwr-050-11-0589a.pdf

This year, ice extent is very close to “normal” and ice is rapidly forming around Spitzbergen.

‎nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_daily_extent.png

Global_Mean_Estimates_based_on_Land_and_Ocean_Data

Gavin says this is the hottest year ever.

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117 Responses to More Arctic Ice Than 1922

  1. Griff says:

    This winter the ice has not frozen over around Spitsbergen or the whole of Svalbard.

    Only now is broken drift ice after recent storms getting anywhere near it:

    https://seaice.uni-bremen.de/data/amsr2/today/Arctic_AMSR2_nic.png

    you might want to look at the 2016 temp record for Svalbard – record high in every month: average temp for whole year for the first time in the 105 year record averaging above freezing.

    • Stewart Pid says:

      Griff who pays you and how much to haunt both this board and WUWT and formerly Caleb’s Sunrise Swansong until he banned you.
      This is an unhealthy obsession unless this is your job!

      • Griff says:

        Honestly don’t recall Caleb’s Sunrise Swansong.
        Are they that crazy group with all the banjos?

        How come anyone with a different point of view has to be paid?

        though admittedly there is a long and infamous roll of climate skeptic scientists getting paid for research without declaring it…

        • gator69 says:

          Please provide the total budget that skeptics receive for their work, and I will provide the budget for alarmists, and then we can compare.

          The plaintive calls about global warming and loss of polar bear habitats, the stern warnings about rising seas and flooded coastlines – this is what the public hears about. Then there’s this pesky, inconvenient truth they don’t hear about: $1.5 trillion.

          “Interest in climate change is becoming an increasingly powerful economic driver, so much so that some see it as an industry in itself whose growth is driven in large part by policymaking, notes Don Jergler, an analyst for Insurance Journal, an industry publication.

          “The $1.5 trillion global ‘climate change industry’ grew at between 17 and 24 percent annually from 2005-2008, slowing to between 4 and 6 percent following the recession with the exception of 2011’s inexplicable 15 percent growth, according to Climate Change Business Journal,” he writes.

          “The San Diego, Calif.-based publication includes within that industry nine segments and 38 sub-segments. This encompasses sectors like renewables, green building and hybrid vehicles.

          And the talkers, creatives and handlers too.

          “That also includes the climate change consulting market, which a recent report by the journal estimates at $1.9 billion worldwide and $890 million in the U.S.,” Mr. Jergler says.

          Big Green Brother.

        • Gail Combs says:

          “skeptic scientists getting paid for research without declaring it…”

          MAINLY because THEY did not get paid, the university they worked for or in one case the Smithsonian got the $$$ and so that is who owed the taxes.

          GEEESSssh do a bit of investigating….

        • Ben Vorlich says:

          Griff,
          Either you have a serious memory problem which needs medical attention or you have someone who likes impersonating you. As a long time reader of Caleb’s blog I remember your banning.

    • tonyheller says:

      There was no ice around Svalbard in 1922. This year the ice is forming very quickly there.

      • Griff says:

        er no…

        The ice ‘should’ have been there by the end of November.

        this year some broken drift ice finally reached it late January.

        • AndyG55 says:

          “The ice ‘should’ have been there by the end of November.”

          Now you are an expert on when ice should form and were.

          You seriously are a delusional little prat.

          Griff is a CLIMATE CHANGE DENIER.

        • David A says:

          In exactly zero ways did you give evidence that this T.H. ststement…
          “”There was no ice around Svalbard in 1922. This year the ice is forming very quickly there.””
          …Is wrong.

    • Lasse says:

      During Winter there is no sun and that will lead to cooler water if there is no ice-cover.
      It also means more humid air and a record snow, at least at Greenland.
      This makes tipping less probable.

  2. Griff says:

    I should add in the last century Svalbard would be frozen in to solid ice by the end of November. Polar bears rely on this to access their denning areas.

    In 2016 it didn’t get within a few hundred kilometers (nor did it for most of January)

    • Gail Combs says:

      Griffy….

      Poley bears SWIM!

      GPS trackers reveal polar bears can swim non-stop for up to 10 days. Polar bears have been tracked swimming 600 miles.

      You keep forgetting the polar bear was around during the Eemain which was a lot hotter than the Holocene and did just fine.

      There was a paper in Science magazine indicating that polar bears became a distinct species about 600,000 years ago..

      This means that they have survived at least two (and possibly eight) previous inter-glacials, in particular the Eemian (130kya to 110kya), when temperatures in the Arctic were 5 to 8 degrees Celcius warmer than current temperatures for several thousand years.

      So try another tear jerker Griffy, that one was debunked years ago.

      • Griff says:

        no pregnant polar bears will have been able to swim the 230 km needed to get to Svalbard at closest ice approach November thru to mid january.

        • gator69 says:

          Who cares? Numbers are increasing, and alarmist predictions are a failfest…

          Prediction 1. Western Hudson Bay (WHB) polar bear numbers will continue to decline beyond 2004 due to ever-earlier breakup and ever-later freeze-up of sea ice.

          FAIL – An aerial survey conducted by Seth Stapleton and colleagues (2014) in 2011 produced an estimate of about 1030 bears and their report stated:

          “This figure is similar to a 2004 mark–recapture estimate but higher than projections indicating declining abundance since then.”

          This 1030 figure is the one being used by the IUCN PBSG and Environment Canada for WHB, as a limited mark-recapture study conducted the same year (Lunn and colleagues 2014) did not survey the entire WHB region and therefore not comparable to the 2004 count.

          Prediction 2. Breakup of sea ice in Western Hudson Bay (WHB) will come progressively earlier and freeze-up dates progressively later (after 1999), as CO2 levels from burning fossil fuel increase global temperatures.

          FAIL – Researchers Nick Lunn and colleagues (2014) determined that there has been no trend in breakup or freeze-up dates between 2001 and 2010. While no analyses of breakup or freeze-up dates for WHB since 2010 have been published, this pattern seems to have continued to at least 2015.

          Prediction 3. Chukchi Sea polar bears will be the most harmed by summer sea ice declines because they experience some of the largest sea ice losses of any subpopulation (and thus, the longest open-water season each year).

          FAIL – A recent study of Chukchi bears (2008-2011) found them in better condition than they were in the 1980s when summer open-water seasons were short – indeed, only Foxe Basin bears were fatter than Chukchi bears. They were also reproducing well (Rode et al. 2010, 2013, 2014), with some females raising litters of triplets (see lead photo), a rare sight outside Western Hudson Bay.

          Prediction 4. Cannibalism will increase as summer sea ice extent declines worsen.

          FAIL – Cannibalism is a natural phenomenon in polar bears and none of the few incidents reported recently have involved obviously thin or starving polar bears (even the most recent example, filmed in mid-August 2015 in Baffin Bay when sea ice levels in the region were high), despite the fact that 2012 recorded the lowest summer ice extent since 1979. Incidents of cannibalism cannot be said to be increasing because there is no scientific baseline to which recent occurrences can be compared.

          Prediction 5. Drowning deaths of polar bears will increase as summer sea ice continues to decline (driven home by a high-profile incident in 2004).

          FAIL – There have been no further confirmed reports of polar bear drowning deaths associated with extensive open water swimming since that contentious 2004 event, even though the two lowest extents of summer sea ice have occurred since then (2007 and 2012). A more rigorous study of swimming prowess found polar bears, including cubs, are capable of successfully making long-distance swims. Indeed, challenging open-water swims don’t happen only in summer: in late March 2015, a polar bear swam through open water from the pack ice off Newfoundland to the Hibernia oil platform well offshore.

          Prediction 6. There will be more and more problems onshore in summer with starving polar bears because of reduced sea ice.

          FAIL – There have been more problem bears in summer over the last few years in Western Hudson Bay as well as other regions but few of those bears were shown to be thin or starving. A well-publicized attack occurred in Churchill in the fall of 2013 but was not associated with an especially early break-up of sea ice nor a late freeze-up. Incidents last summer in the Kara Sea (Russia) involved bears in good condition. Polar bears are potentially dangerous no matter what their condition but death by starvation of young or old bears (or injured ones) are natural events that occur often, not evidence of declining sea ice.

          Prediction 7. Southern Beaufort Sea polar bears can be used to predict how bears living in the Chukchi Sea and the Barents Sea are doing because they are similar ‘sea ice ecoregions’, says the Circumpolar Action Plan for future research proposed by Dag Vongraven and colleagues in 2012.

          FAIL – Recent research has shown that Chukchi Sea bears actually fared better with the long open-water seasons of the late 2000s than in the short seasons of the 1980s. In contrast, Southern Beaufort Sea bears have suffered profoundly from periodic episodes of thick spring ice (every 10 years or so since the 1960s), a phenomenon that is unique to that region. In fact, sea ice conditions for Chukchi Sea and Southern Beaufort bears could hardly be more different. With Southern Beaufort bears the more vulnerable to decline from natural variations in sea ice, the plan to treat these two regions as equivalent is a farce and totally undermines the Circumpolar Action Plan proposed by the IUCN PBSG.

          Prediction 8. Western Hudson Bay (WHB) polar bears can be used to predict how bears living in Foxe Basin, and Davis Strait are doing because these are all similar ‘sea ice ecoregions’, says the Circumpolar Action Plan for future research proposed by Dag Vongraven and colleagues in 2012.

          FAIL – WHB bears not only have variable breakup and freeze-up dates to contend with but also face occasional years with thick spring ice and springs with either very thick or very thin snow cover that strongly affects the availability of their ringed seal prey. Davis Strait bears, on the other hand, face some variability in sea ice conditions but have access to a super-abundant supply of harp seal prey in spring. With WHB polar bears by far the more vulnerable to decline from natural variations in sea ice and prey availability than Davis Strait bears, the plan to treat these two regions as equivalent is a farce and totally undermines the proposed Circumpolar Action Plan.

          Prediction 9. Continued late formation of fall sea ice off Svalbard in the Barents Sea will devastate polar bears that traditionally den in this region.

          FAIL – Preliminary results from the latest population count of Svalbard area polar bears showed a 42% increase over the estimate for 2004, despite very late ice formation in the fall of 2013 around maternity denning areas. Other research has shown that bears move back and forth readily between Svalbard, Norway and Franz Josef Land, Russia (which so far has always had sea ice by late fall). This means that Svalbard bears have been able to adapt easily to recent low ice conditions.

          Prediction 10. Summer sea ice will decline as CO2 rises; 2007 marked the beginning of a sea ice ‘death spiral’ that is expected to continue as CO2 levels rise.

          FAIL – Sea ice at September has been variable since 2007 but there has been no declining trend, a pattern sea ice experts admit may continue for 10 years or more beyond 2014 even if declining sea ice predictions are true (Swart and colleagues, 2015). In other words, CO2 levels have not been the control knob for polar bear health.

          CONCLUSION
          Polar bears are not fragile canaries in an Arctic climate-change coal mine but resilient and adaptable predators remarkably suited to their highly variable habitat.

          Here’s a summary of what the 2015 Red List assessment (Wiig et al. 2015) said:

          The previous status of ‘Vulnerable’ was upheld but no projections were made beyond 2050. They said there is only a 70% chance that numbers will decline by 30% over the next 35 years, which is only slightly higher than a 50:50. It also means there is a 30% chance that the numbers WILL NOT decline by 30% over the next 35 years.It stated explicitly that the risk of a population decline of 80% or greater by 2050 is virtually zero (pg. 16).

          In other words, the status of ‘Vulnerable’ is based only on a possible decline in population numbers, despite their current high numbers, and there is no imminent risk of extinction. The current population trend is stated as UNKNOWN.

        • Gail Combs says:

          “…no pregnant polar bears…”

          Cry me a freaking river.

          Polar bears are FAT, they have layers of FAT below their skin and that means they FLOAT.

          Being pregnant is natural for crying out loud. A mare spends her entire live preggers. (She comes into foaling heat 2 weeks after giving birth) and she not only feeds a foal, gestates, she also has to out run wolves, coyotes, big cats….
          ……….

          Next useless Strawman argument please.

    • Colorado Wellington says:

      Are you the same Griff and globally celebrated polar bear expert who thinks Dr. Susan Crockford doesn’t know much about these animals?

    • Vince says:

      Last time I checked, 1922 was in the last century, and, as Tony said, no ice formed along the coasts of Spitsbergen during that year. You should really pay more attention before commenting on a post.

    • Andy DC says:

      Yes, it is true that Spitzbergen was icebound when alarmists say that time began in 1979. But what they deny is a very well documented Ice Age scare in the 1970’s, coinciding with 40 years of global cooling between 1940 and 1980.

      Before the “non-existent” period of global cooling there, were times that Spitzbergen was not icebound. There were times when the NW Passage was open and traversed by ships that were pathetic by today’s standards. Summers were much hotter, severe hurricanes and tornadoes were more frequent, US corn crop failures were more frequent, oranges in Florida were grown much further north. The list goes on and on.

    • AndyG55 says:

      “Polar bears rely on this to access their denning areas.”

      Oh poor brainless Griff.

      You really didn’t think about that moronically stupid comment did you.

      If ice doesn’t form on the coast, they can’t get stuck on the ice, can they, you dopey git!!

      • Griff says:

        Polar bears need ice…

        They need to get off land to feed on it in winter…

        And they also need it in some populations to get off the ice and reach their island denning areas.

        I have the authority of Susan Crockford for that.

        I note her recent report that only on Jan 18th has a female polar bear reached Svalbard from the drift ice to the east… not in late November as required for them to actually den in Svalbard.

        • gator69 says:

          Children need food, seven million starved to death last year. Children do not need ice, and Polar Bears are fine.

          Prediction 1. Western Hudson Bay (WHB) polar bear numbers will continue to decline beyond 2004 due to ever-earlier breakup and ever-later freeze-up of sea ice.

          FAIL – An aerial survey conducted by Seth Stapleton and colleagues (2014) in 2011 produced an estimate of about 1030 bears and their report stated:

          “This figure is similar to a 2004 mark–recapture estimate but higher than projections indicating declining abundance since then.”

          This 1030 figure is the one being used by the IUCN PBSG and Environment Canada for WHB, as a limited mark-recapture study conducted the same year (Lunn and colleagues 2014) did not survey the entire WHB region and therefore not comparable to the 2004 count.

          Prediction 2. Breakup of sea ice in Western Hudson Bay (WHB) will come progressively earlier and freeze-up dates progressively later (after 1999), as CO2 levels from burning fossil fuel increase global temperatures.

          FAIL – Researchers Nick Lunn and colleagues (2014) determined that there has been no trend in breakup or freeze-up dates between 2001 and 2010. While no analyses of breakup or freeze-up dates for WHB since 2010 have been published, this pattern seems to have continued to at least 2015.

          Prediction 3. Chukchi Sea polar bears will be the most harmed by summer sea ice declines because they experience some of the largest sea ice losses of any subpopulation (and thus, the longest open-water season each year).

          FAIL – A recent study of Chukchi bears (2008-2011) found them in better condition than they were in the 1980s when summer open-water seasons were short – indeed, only Foxe Basin bears were fatter than Chukchi bears. They were also reproducing well (Rode et al. 2010, 2013, 2014), with some females raising litters of triplets (see lead photo), a rare sight outside Western Hudson Bay.

          Prediction 4. Cannibalism will increase as summer sea ice extent declines worsen.

          FAIL – Cannibalism is a natural phenomenon in polar bears and none of the few incidents reported recently have involved obviously thin or starving polar bears (even the most recent example, filmed in mid-August 2015 in Baffin Bay when sea ice levels in the region were high), despite the fact that 2012 recorded the lowest summer ice extent since 1979. Incidents of cannibalism cannot be said to be increasing because there is no scientific baseline to which recent occurrences can be compared.

          Prediction 5. Drowning deaths of polar bears will increase as summer sea ice continues to decline (driven home by a high-profile incident in 2004).

          FAIL – There have been no further confirmed reports of polar bear drowning deaths associated with extensive open water swimming since that contentious 2004 event, even though the two lowest extents of summer sea ice have occurred since then (2007 and 2012). A more rigorous study of swimming prowess found polar bears, including cubs, are capable of successfully making long-distance swims. Indeed, challenging open-water swims don’t happen only in summer: in late March 2015, a polar bear swam through open water from the pack ice off Newfoundland to the Hibernia oil platform well offshore.

          Prediction 6. There will be more and more problems onshore in summer with starving polar bears because of reduced sea ice.

          FAIL – There have been more problem bears in summer over the last few years in Western Hudson Bay as well as other regions but few of those bears were shown to be thin or starving. A well-publicized attack occurred in Churchill in the fall of 2013 but was not associated with an especially early break-up of sea ice nor a late freeze-up. Incidents last summer in the Kara Sea (Russia) involved bears in good condition. Polar bears are potentially dangerous no matter what their condition but death by starvation of young or old bears (or injured ones) are natural events that occur often, not evidence of declining sea ice.

          Prediction 7. Southern Beaufort Sea polar bears can be used to predict how bears living in the Chukchi Sea and the Barents Sea are doing because they are similar ‘sea ice ecoregions’, says the Circumpolar Action Plan for future research proposed by Dag Vongraven and colleagues in 2012.

          FAIL – Recent research has shown that Chukchi Sea bears actually fared better with the long open-water seasons of the late 2000s than in the short seasons of the 1980s. In contrast, Southern Beaufort Sea bears have suffered profoundly from periodic episodes of thick spring ice (every 10 years or so since the 1960s), a phenomenon that is unique to that region. In fact, sea ice conditions for Chukchi Sea and Southern Beaufort bears could hardly be more different. With Southern Beaufort bears the more vulnerable to decline from natural variations in sea ice, the plan to treat these two regions as equivalent is a farce and totally undermines the Circumpolar Action Plan proposed by the IUCN PBSG.

          Prediction 8. Western Hudson Bay (WHB) polar bears can be used to predict how bears living in Foxe Basin, and Davis Strait are doing because these are all similar ‘sea ice ecoregions’, says the Circumpolar Action Plan for future research proposed by Dag Vongraven and colleagues in 2012.

          FAIL – WHB bears not only have variable breakup and freeze-up dates to contend with but also face occasional years with thick spring ice and springs with either very thick or very thin snow cover that strongly affects the availability of their ringed seal prey. Davis Strait bears, on the other hand, face some variability in sea ice conditions but have access to a super-abundant supply of harp seal prey in spring. With WHB polar bears by far the more vulnerable to decline from natural variations in sea ice and prey availability than Davis Strait bears, the plan to treat these two regions as equivalent is a farce and totally undermines the proposed Circumpolar Action Plan.

          Prediction 9. Continued late formation of fall sea ice off Svalbard in the Barents Sea will devastate polar bears that traditionally den in this region.

          FAIL – Preliminary results from the latest population count of Svalbard area polar bears showed a 42% increase over the estimate for 2004, despite very late ice formation in the fall of 2013 around maternity denning areas. Other research has shown that bears move back and forth readily between Svalbard, Norway and Franz Josef Land, Russia (which so far has always had sea ice by late fall). This means that Svalbard bears have been able to adapt easily to recent low ice conditions.

          Prediction 10. Summer sea ice will decline as CO2 rises; 2007 marked the beginning of a sea ice ‘death spiral’ that is expected to continue as CO2 levels rise.

          FAIL – Sea ice at September has been variable since 2007 but there has been no declining trend, a pattern sea ice experts admit may continue for 10 years or more beyond 2014 even if declining sea ice predictions are true (Swart and colleagues, 2015). In other words, CO2 levels have not been the control knob for polar bear health.

          CONCLUSION
          Polar bears are not fragile canaries in an Arctic climate-change coal mine but resilient and adaptable predators remarkably suited to their highly variable habitat.

          Here’s a summary of what the 2015 Red List assessment (Wiig et al. 2015) said:

          The previous status of ‘Vulnerable’ was upheld but no projections were made beyond 2050. They said there is only a 70% chance that numbers will decline by 30% over the next 35 years, which is only slightly higher than a 50:50. It also means there is a 30% chance that the numbers WILL NOT decline by 30% over the next 35 years.It stated explicitly that the risk of a population decline of 80% or greater by 2050 is virtually zero (pg. 16).
          In other words, the status of ‘Vulnerable’ is based only on a possible decline in population numbers, despite their current high numbers, and there is no imminent risk of extinction. The current population trend is stated as UNKNOWN.

          Why do you hate poor people Ms Griff?

        • Sunsettommy says:

          Griff, you again ignored what I posted before in replying your profoundly ignorant statements. Gave you links showing KNOWN eating habits of Polar Bears.

          Polar Bears barely eat during the winter.

          Polar Bears barely eat during the winter.

          Polar Bears barely eat during the winter.

          Why do they barely eat during the winter?

          Because the ice is too thick then,which greatly reduces the food supply the bears subsist on.

          You have been told this over and over,it is clear you are a waste of time with your deliberate lies.

        • Gail Combs says:

          Polar bears need ice…

          BULL SH!T!!!
          ……………..
          AGAIN!
          The polar bear was around during the Eemain which was a lot hotter than the Holocene and did just fine.

          There was a paper in Science magazine indicating that polar bears became a distinct species about 600,000 years ago..

          This means that they have survived at least two (and possibly eight) previous inter-glacials, in particular the Eemian (130kya to 110kya), when temperatures in the Arctic were 5 to 8 degrees Celcius warmer than current temperatures for several thousand years.

        • toorightmate says:

          Griff old mate,
          Just how much can a polar bear?

        • AndyG55 says:

          You truly are a moronic idiot Griff..

          … that is all that needs to be said.

        • AndyG55 says:

          They need to get off land …

          like these guys, hey griff, you moronic dolt.!

          • Griff says:

            Sometimes they need to be getting off…

            Sometimes they need to be getting on.

            ‘On’ is connected with reaching denning territory.

            Off is connected with getting to feeding areas after denning or in areas where ice melt forces bears ashore.

            This might help you out:

            http://www.polarbearsinternational.org/polar-bears/hunting

            “A polar bear’s hunting and eating patterns depend completely on sea ice.

            Why? Because ringed seals depend on it—and ringed seals are the only food source with a high enough fat content and calories to keep a polar bear healthy.

            In summer when ice floes retreat, most polar bears follow the ice, sometimes traveling hundreds of kilometers to stay near their food source.”

            Now in an area like Hudson Bay, the ice melts completely, so the bears have to wait on shore for 3 or 4 months. In the Beufort Sea, the ice rapidly retreats far to the north – the bears sometimes opt for a hard life on shore scavenging over the summer.

            In the Svalbard/Barents population bears out on the ice over summer need the ice edge to get close enough to Svalbard or Kongsoya, so they can den up and have their cubs.

          • gator69 says:

            Ms Griff is still spouting nonsense that I have debunked on this page twice. Claims of polar bear demise do not trump the reality that they are doing just fine Ms Griff.

            Ms Griff, why do you want to kill millions of innocent humans again this year?

        • AndyG55 says:

          This is polar bear hunting territory.

          Not a block of ice in sight !!!

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            That’s the problem, Andy. No ice. If Ms. Griff doesn’t know how to hunt there, then the polar bears will definitely fail and starve. She taught them everything she could.

          • Griff says:

            It really isn’t.

            Bears hunt ringed seals along the ice.

            That’s a walrus hal out -caused by lack of ice over shallow water, from which walruses usually feed.

          • gator69 says:

            Ms Griff is just mad that their scheme only killed seven million innocent humans last year.

          • AndyG55 says:

            Griff is just making up NON-INFORMATION as he goes along.

            Way past the PATHETIC stage.

        • AndyG55 says:

          The utter IGNORANCE of griff , yet again highlighted.

  3. Kris Johanson says:

    These historic newspaper articles are priceless! My favorite one on this site reports Australian indigenous people blaming White Man for global warming 150 years ago. Beautiful!

  4. Jim Hunt says:

    DMI’s data contradicts you Tony. Their map reveals ice along the coasts of Spitzbergen in April 1922:

    • Doug says:

      Reading comprehension. You should try it.

      “…last winter the ocean did not freeze over even on the NORTH coast of SPitzbergen.”

    • tonyheller says:

      Open red circles are “open ice” Wind blows ice around.

      • Jim Hunt says:

        Just like north of Svalbard for the last few days!

        • Stewart Pid says:

          Hunt is pissed because Trump will blow up his little scam and so Jim and his chicken little friends will have to find something else to be obsessive-compulsive over.

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            … find something else to be obsessive-compulsive over” and make us pay for their therapy.

          • Gator says:

            Jim has a goal of snuffing out eight million innocent humans this calendar year, and he is laser focused, because those folks aren’t going to kill themselves dontchaknow.

          • AndyG55 says:

            Jimbo the pestilent, doesn’t care about the numbers of older people buying because of energy poverty in his own country…

            … why would he give a stuff about all those third world people he and his scum-bag priests have DENIED solid electricity to…

            As you say, he seems to actually relish the idea..

            He has a sick mind, and a putrid empty soul.

        • David A says:

          Jim Hunt, affirming TH message of no change from 1922 to now!

    • AndyG55 says:

      Jimbo is a CLIMATE CHNAGE DENIER.

  5. Kris Johanson says:

    So we have a Dane directly contradicting a Norwegian…

    Personally, I’ll go with the Norwegian captain who’s pissed because he hasn’t been able to catch any fish or club any seals over the head, as opposed to the pensioned Danish civil servant mindlessly filling out the same forms every year by drawing little red circles in the ‘customary locations’.

    To me, if anything this illustrates how tenuous and anecdotal and easily manipulated any of this early data was; hence the inherent flaws with hockey stick graphs and such.

  6. eliza says:

    Mr Ebell put up Dr Spencer’s Graph of UAH, RSS and Baloon Data temp data against IPCC Models in front of 100% MSM media at the GWPF meeting. Believe me British mainstraim media will finally be shocked to reality

  7. Latitude says:

    Sierra Nevada snowpack is biggest in 22 years — and more snow is on the way

    http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/02/01/sierra-nevada-snowpack-is-biggest-in-22-years-and-more-is-on-the-way/

  8. Robertv says:

    Obama’s Chief Climate Adviser on 1920s global warming: ‘It is a crisis we’re trying to address’

    https://youtu.be/ilD6aYvMPZw

  9. Andy says:

    Dear Tony,

    Far more interesting things extent wise are happening in Antarctic at the moment compared to the trend for the last several years which you covered extensively.

    Can you comment on current Antarctic sea ice extent so we can have a conversation about it?

    Alternatively I am more than willing to do a guest post on the matter for our delectation :)

    Go on ….

    Andy

    • gator69 says:

      Why do you hate poor people Andy? What is it about melting ice that makes lunatics spend precious resources on saving ice, rather than saving humans?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dtbn9zBfJSs

      • Gator says:

        Yes Jim, you do need to say more, you need to admit you are advocating against human life. Save humans Jim. Stop this nonsense, and explain to the masses that we need to allocate resources where they benefit human life the most.

        Say more, even if it is simply admitting that you are a POS.

      • AndyG55 says:

        Jimbo listening to information about pre-LIA Arctic sea ice.

        He DENIES CLIMATE CHANGE.

      • AndyG55 says:

        Jimbo , WHY do you continue to DENY the much lower sea ice levels of before the Little Ice Age.

        Why are you DENYING CLIMATE CHANGE?

        Why are you SO SCARED to admit it the historic truth?

        Are you just a base-level COWARD…..

        or are you a still attempting your base level AGW con/scam?

        COWARD or CON-MAN.. which are you , Jimbo ???

        I’d say BOTH.

        • AndyG55 says:

          Griff is also DENYING or ignoring natural climate change over at WUWT.

          All 3 of them, rabid CLIMATE CHANGE DENIERS.

          Its almost as if they all totally reject known science.

  10. Andy says:

    Also, note the lack of ice around Severny Island at this time of year is perhaps more interesting than this.

    Ice extent is low in the Arctic, it has to be low somewhere .. in the Arctic, not sure why people are arguing about it. It’s a done deal, just because you don’t want it to be low does not matter. The question is does a low winter extent mean a lower summer extent? Up to now that has not been shown. Whether it will have an effect in the future is a good question.

    Andy

    • gator69 says:

      Also, note the lack of food around these poor children, all year, every year, is perhaps more interesting than this.

    • AndyG55 says:

      It will get nowhere near the lows of the first 3/4 of the Holocene.

      Its actually currently anomalously HIGH compared Holocene Optimum.

      You do know that, don’t you?

      Or are you a CLIMATE CHANGE DENIER, too?

  11. Andy says:

    AnfyG55, having read some posts by you on this thread, with your insults, i am starting to think you are no Einstein. Very poor way to counter an argument and makes you look rather crass.

    Andy

    • gator69 says:

      Andy, having read some posts by you on this thread, with your lack of humanity, i am starting to think you are no good. Very poor way to get through life and makes you look exactly like a jackass.

    • Jim Hunt says:

      I concur with your assessment Andy! Which is your pick of this bunch of insults:

      http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2016/02/the-great-white-con-2016-new-einstein-award/

      Which of AndyG’s should start the 2017 ball rolling?

      • AndyG55 says:

        Jim Hunt.. the CLIMATE CHANGE DENIER.

        and worshiper of the AGW scam…

        causing the death of many by DENYING third world countries reliable energy supplies.

        The SHAME is all yours, Jimbo.

      • Gator says:

        See Jim celebrate. See Jim dance with glee as another 21,000 innocent humans needlessly starved thanks to Team CAGW.

        I remember when even most leftists still felt shame. Those days are long gone, and their crazy runs deep and wide.

        • Gail Combs says:

          Jimmy Boy says:

          • AndyG55 says:

            Jimbo’s bum-chums at Exeter Uni probably tell him he is important in some tiny way.

            So he keeps bending over for them.

        • AndyG55 says:

          Gator , you did see how many were SUFFERING and needless DYING from energy poverty, old ladies unable to heat their homes and that’s in is own country.

          This is Jimbo’s desire… to see people suffer and die.

          His life’s work…. and he feels no shame in it.

          The guy is seriously sick to the very depths of his fetid soul.

          • gator69 says:

            Yes, Andy I have seen, and here too. Slowly the public is becoming aware of the CAGW genocide, and that will end the scam if nothing else does.

            Ms Jimmy Griff is doing excellent work at turning off John Q Public with her bloodthirsty rantings.

            ‘Never interfere with an enemy while he’s in the process of destroying himself.’

      • AndyG55 says:

        One thing for certain, Jimbo, someone will EVER mistake you for Einstein !!!

        A bowl of mouldy blancmange, maybe.

      • AndyG55 says:

        An award from you would be up there with a Nobel Peace Prize, Jimbo.

        ie.. trivial, banal, and absolutely meaningless.

      • AndyG55 says:

        Jimbo trying to find his brains..

    • AndyG55 says:

      Do you DENY that Jimbo is a CLIMATE CHANGE DENIER?

      Pretty sad that he, and you apparently, have zero historical perspective, and DENY anything before the LIA.

      Small-minded, brain-washed, gullible and insignificant, you both are.

    • AndyG55 says:

      Andy(not G) and Jimbo planning their next cretinous, pre-juvenile troll attack..

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