“Shame is a cruel thing”

“Shame is a cruel thing,” writes George Takei in They Called Us Enemy”

George Takei Recalls Time In An American Internment Camp In ‘They Called Us Enemy’ : NPR

10:18 AM · Oct 14, 2021

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14 Responses to “Shame is a cruel thing”

  1. rah says:

    George Takei is a total wacked out leftist idiot. I would not believe a thing he says or writes.

    • Dave N says:

      I used to follow Takei on Facebook for a while. He was actually quite insightful in most of the posts I saw, and then his posts changed into mostly nonsensical raving. I suspect it was around the beginning of November 2016.

      I have followed William Shatner on Twitter for a couple of years and what I read explains a lot about Takei.

    • Stuart Hamish says:

      ” Shame is a cruel thing ” …. Takei was not at all ashamed reminiscing about his sexual molestation at the hands of a camp counseler or the ‘persuasion’ tactics he used [ groping ] on men he was attracted to …….Nor did Cancel Culture ever come for him ..Then again Takei is a Trump hating Hollywood progressive whose Woke politics are ‘correct’ …..Yes Tony Japanese Italian and German civilian populations of allied nations were interred in camps during WWII
      It must be said that Japanese – American soldiers permitted to join the military fought bravely for the United States in Nazi occupied Europe ..Despite the injustices they endured they certainly fared better than English Dutch Australian American Chinese Filpina Indonesian and Korean captives of the Imperial Japanese Army . The secretive Japanese Army attachment Unit 731 experimented on a lot of unfortunate “guinea pigs ” although George Takei seems rather mute about those ghastly atrocities and the postwar amnesty some of the units scientists were granted ….No side was clean during the war

    • arn says:

      Well, he has a feud with Shattner that’s going on for decades and noone knows why (a little bit like the movie ‘ The Duellists” ).And Takei never wastes a chance to throw dirt at Shattner.

      Some claim that he could never deal with the fact that Shattner took all the fame while Takei barely got supporting roles in B-movies , as it happened to most of the Star Trek Crew.
      others claim that Shattner rejected to become Takeis buttbody – and we know that boys with a feminine mindset can stay angry for a very long time.
      So this kneejerk reaction was expected as Shattner got a free flight to space while Takei could not get a free taxi ride to the next corner.

      His post is anyways ‘interesting’ for 3 reasons.
      During the time of internment the Japanese killed 4 million chinese people (who where just recovering from flood catastrophies)and further 6 mio died as result of this war,
      +though he was gay he barely got any problems,even 60 years ago,that’s how “homophobic” your country was long time ago
      + if Shattner had Takeis mentality,Takei would have never been allowed to play in the Star Wars movies where he made his most money.
      Those movies could not exist without Shattner but they could without Takei.

  2. Laurie Perrin says:

    So, what is the objective of aspersion? Tactician, heal thyself

    – it’s more admirable.

  3. Tel says:

    They weren’t concentration camps, that’s an unfair exaggeration. It was certainly wrong to lock those people up … and wrong to accuse them for reason other than their family history … but they were not harshly treated as prisoners. Read about the British concentration camps during the Boer War, as a comparison for ill treatment.

    Take note that it was FDR (Democrat) who decided to lock up the Japanese-Americans and it was Reagan (Republican) who came out and made a public apology … now ask yourself which party George Takei votes for.

    I’m also against the concept that no apology or restitution can ever be good enough. Once you take that attitude, endless collective tit for tat and grudges becomes inevitable. Reagan did the right thing, and it would be gracious to accept his good gesture.

    • rah says:

      Exactly right! Do not take what I am about the write as an attempt to justify what was done. I only wish to provide information on this subject that I have researched over many years. On this subject to one needs to understand the details to formulate an informed opinion.

      Through “Magic” intercepts it was learned that the espionage networks of Japanese and Japanese Americans working for Japan was much more extensive than anyone had previously imagined. But often code names were used in the intercepted broken communications so the specific individuals could not be identified.

      The measures taken on the west coast resulted primarily from the fact that the Japanese were seen as the dominate Naval Power in the Pacific after Pearl Harbor and thus it was perceived by many (wrongly as it turned out) they had the ability to actually invade. This is in contrast to the situation on the East coast where only German U-boats were perceived as the threat to shipping and there was no fear of invasion. Also much of the American war industry was concentrated along the west coast and it needed to be protected from potential sabotage.

      As for the American “Concentration Camps”?

      There was no official policy for punishing Japanese Americans and officials were ordered to be generous in the compensation for the property taken from them. Few Japanese American Farmers owned the land they farmed. They leased it and were compensated for crops in the ground. After the war they were able to make claims and over a quarter of a billion dollars was paid in compensation.

      Of the total number of Japanese men of military age that were interred, only 6% volunteered for military service despite the fact that doing so got them out of the camps. Many of those interred were by their own admission loyal to Japan and not America. There were about 20,000 Japanese Americans in Japan at the start of hostilities. Of those almost all renounced their American Citizenship and joined the Japanese war effort though obviously their choice was to do so or suffer extreme hardship or death. Tokyo Rose was a Japanese American.

      In the Hawaiian islands Japanese Americans were a large minority and yet very few were removed to the camps. This is because early in the war Hawaii was under Marshal Law while the West coast states were not. There was a shortage of labor in the islands throughout the war and it would have been a logistical strain at a time when shipping was in very short supply. The Hawaiian citizens, having lived with the large Japanese minority for longer were less paranoid about their Japanese neighbors despite the Niihau incident which also fueled the fears on the west coast.

      By the middle of 1944, over 40,000 of the interned Japanese Americans from the west coast had left the camps and found employment or were attending schools outside of the exclusion zone. Those remaining the camps were too old or too young to find employment or did not speak English or were forcibly retained because of suspect loyalty.

      Occupants in camps were paid for the work they did there. The camps had schools, libraries, stores, banks, and medical facilities. Food and medical care were plentiful. Some Japanese Americans that had found work outside the camps ended up returning to the camps for one reason or another where they were charged a dollar a day for living there. Nothing like the German concentration camps and much better conditions than provided by the Japanese, Germans, or Italians for American civilian internees. Many a female American internee was raped by the Japanese and all were provided food of inadequate quality and quantity.

      Details, details, details. That is where the true story lies and what the left leaves out when they tell the story.

      • Robert Austin says:

        It’s nice to hear the nuanced facts about these interments rather than the woke indictments that we WASPS are expected to meekly genuflect to.
        An aside: “Marshal Law” should be Martial Law.

        • rah says:

          Thank you. The bottom line is that it is just plain a lie to equate the American camps for Japanese and Japanese Americans to the Nazi Concentration camps which were forced labor and mass extermination facilities. But that is exactly what the left always tries to do.

  4. Greg Raven says:

    This is actually a fairly good example of why one should never apologize to leftist grievance-mongers. At first, they demand some sort of acknowledgement. Once they get that, they say, “OK, now apologize.” Once you apologize, they say, “An apology is nothing without some sort of compensation.” Then having received the compensation, they say, “It’s pitiful what some people give you.” Finally, once they’ve squeezed all the blood out of the stone, they say “None of this can ever repay us for our {fill in the blank}.” (See Tel’s comment above.)

    Also, my understanding is that because the Japanese were attacking the West Coast, they want to get ethnic Japanese away from those areas to reduce the possibility of fifth column support for an invasion. My understanding is that Japanese were offered the option of leaving voluntarily for inland regions, and that only those who didn’t go were rounded up for Manzanar and elsewhere.

  5. Ron says:

    This makes me think of the pushing of hate by the media for Trump supporters or anti-vaxers.

  6. Rory Forbes says:

    For an insight into the Japanese culture, I strongly suggest reading “The Chrysanthemum and the Sword: Patterns of Japanese Culture” is a 1946 study of Japan by anthropologist Ruth Benedict. It will open some doors as to why the Japanese are unique and that the US had no other option than what they did. So too Benedict lays out why what would have happened had the US not dropped the bombs. They were almost necessary or the Japanese would never have been able to live with the shame of defeat. hey were all in. It also provides some insight into George Takei’s behavior:

    “The Japanese”, Benedict wrote, “are both aggressive and unaggressive, both militaristic and aesthetic, both insolent and polite, rigid and adaptable, submissive and resentful of being pushed around, loyal and treacherous, brave and timid, conservative and hospitable to new ways…[

  7. Willybillybob says:

    Nothing can undo the harm done. I think all of us can point to something in our lives like that, and often it is the government, or we try to blame the government indirectly. Example: the government should have banned all guns because they should have known that someone was nuts and would get a gun and kill someone. This presumes that a government ban of guns would result in no guns in the hands of bad or crazy people. Anyway since no amount of money, no matter how many zeros, is not enough, that is we are permanent criminals and they are permanent victims, I suggest no money, just a simple apology, ask them if they would like to relocate, and if not we all move on.

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