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Maybe they can hoist a sail and slide along the top of the ice.
The ice is in big trouble, Kugluktuk, NU was 89 degrees today, with off shore winds gusting to 24 mph. That is 32 degrees above normal
http://weather.gc.ca/forecast/city_e.html?nu-16&unit=i
At least Evel Knievel had a flashy outfits. These guys are lame. đ
Steve, the animation Dave posted last night clearly shows that the ice in the south eastern Beaufort Sea is definitely not multi-year ice.
http://www7320.nrlssc.navy.mil/hycomARC/navo/arcticictn_nowcast_anim365d.gif
The animation clearly hows that it is multi-year ice
Seriously????
If you want to assert a truth, first make sure it’s not just an opinion that you desperately want to be true.
Neil deGrasse Tyson
Reggie:
I guess you forgot to watch how the wind was blowing during the Winter and Spring months. All the thick ice was transported to that area last season. Just for your pleasure!
Miked
Daves animation clearly shows that the multi year ice is nowhere near the mouth of the McKenzie. Let’s stick with actual science and not make it about you belief in faith based denial of climate change
Reggie,
Satellite photos show huge blocks of MYI all over the southern Beaufort Sea. Please stop being a maroon.
Steve:
Why do you have to resort to name calling when you could easily use facts from the reality based universe to back up your assertion? David’s animation clearly shows that where the multi-year ice migrated to last fall. Do you have proof that the animation was wrong? Do you have satellite photos showing the ice labelled as multi year ice?
The satellite photo don’t show the condition of the ice, the scale is too small. I have been watching the web-cams from the buoys on the thick multi year ice hundreds of miles to the north where the surfave temperatures are only 1 C. The ice up there is covered with surface ponds
and sensors indicate both surface and bottom melt.
If the ice that far north in such a sorry state, can you imagine what it will be like at the mouth of the McKenzie River. All the “warm” brown water and warmer surface temperatures assure much more favorable rowing conditions by the time the Mainstream First Last crew arrives at the Beaufort in a week.
Reggie:
I guess you are not into research. Climate has been changing since the planet acquired an atmosphere and it will continue to change until the planet no longer has an atmosphere. Those guys are fools to think they can row from point a to point b this year. You are a fool to think the ice conditions in the Arctic region have any special meaning.
Personally I take pleasure out of torturing ignorant people like you and Dave. If you want to become a full fledged member of the Chicken Little Brigade you will have to become more like Big AL or the infamous Jim Hansen. Following Mark’s path will lead you to being frustrated by Arctic ice conditions that do not do your bidding. The wonderful folks at NSIDC can help you increase your Cranialanalinsertitis condition and by this time next year you can get fitted for new glasses by your proctologist.
Please stop being a maroon. – Reggie Pooh is not capable of being anything other than a maroon Steven. He can`t help it – HE IS A NATURAL BORN MAROON.
Steven,
The boffins from the University of Colorado maintain there’s FYI all over the southern Beaufort Sea:
ftp://ccar.colorado.edu/pub/tschudi/iceage/gifs/age2013_22.gif
whilst the boffins from the University of Bremen maintain there’s open water at the mouth of the Mackenzie, along with a strip along the coast of considerably less than 100% concentration:
http://iup.physik.uni-bremen.de:8084/amsr2data/asi_daygrid_swath/n6250/2013/jun//asi-AMSR2-n6250-20130628-v5_nic.png
Do your eyes perhaps deceive you?
That was week 22. We are now in week 26 and it looks like the edge of the MYI has pushed further south and east
http://www.arctic.io/observations/8/2013-06-28/7-N75.265239-W139.738533
Steven – They’ve only just released the week 22 data. Let’s arrange a date in a month or so to compare notes on the week 26 data.
In the meantime, does the mouth of the Mackenzie look like it’s covered in 100% multi-year ice to you?
http://www.arctic.io/observations/8/2013-06-28/8-N69.517859-W136.576873/Canada-Yukon
I have never said anything about the McKenzie River. WTF is going on with you and Reggie?. Are you holding an imaginary conversation with me somewhere else and dragging it over here?
You started the conversation Steven. Reread your own title. “The start of their journey” (on water at least) lies on the Mackenzie River. I assume you’re not suggesting that there is 100% concentration multi-year ice covering North Vancouver?
Steve, check out the scale on Jim’s satellite photo, It appears there is lots of room to row a 26 foot boat through the spaces. Imagine how much more room there will be in a week.
You are hoping that they can find a ten foot wide gap in the ice to prove that the Arctic has melted.
Goebbels would be envious.
Steve, did you look at the scale of the sat map Jim posted?
Did you look at the ice thickness in the area where the rowers are exiting the McKenzie River?
There isn’t going to be much ice there in a week. Once they row east for a few days and get close to Banks Island, there will be little ice at all.
I see. So their NW Passage trip is now a “Mouth of the McKenzie” trip.
Check out this Webcam located at about 75 degrees north. This is hundred of miles north of the mouth and it is located on thick multi year ice and the air surface temperatures have only been above freezing for a week.
http://obuoy.datatransport.org/monitor#buoy7/webcam
Current Ice Observations (06/29/2013)
Snow depth : 0 cm (melted 06/18/2013)
Ice thickness : 313 cm
Since Deployment (08/27/2012)
Snow depth at melt onset: 15 cm
Snow melt: 15 cm (Began 06/09/2013)
Ice surface melt: 18 cm (Began 06/18/2013)
Ice bottom melt : 9 cm
Now if ice that thick, that far north is in that bad of shape, can you imaging what the ice at the mouth of the McKenzie River must be like, consider all the “warm: water flowing out of tat river. Add to that, the warm air temperatures and all the sunshine, the ice is doomed in a week’s time.
ROFLMAO – the ice there is 10 feet thick!
“I see. So their NW Passage trip is now a âMouth of the McKenzieâ trip.”
No Steve, they are rowing to Pond Inlet on Baffin Island. a distance in excess of 3000 km.
Yes and you reacted exactly as I anticipated, that’s why I posted te data along with the web-cam. lol, That is multi year ice wich is located hundreds of miles north of the mouth of the McKenzie River. The air surface air temperatures have just recently gone above freezing, yet despite those frigid conditios, the top is sowing significant melt. Notice the complete lack of surface snow?
Are you following so far?
Ten foot thick ice, located hundreds of miles north of where the rowers are going to be is showing significant surface melt and a large amount of ponding, despite the fact it is so damn cold up there. Can you imagine what thin, badly fractured foot thick year ice must look like? The ice appears to be not much more than a couple feet thick in the rowers path.
All that hot weather, sunshine and warm water from the McKenzie are going to melt most of it before the rowers exit the river.
correction
Can you imagine what thin, badly fractured 2 to 3 foot thick year ice must look like?
Are you a complete moron? Ice melts every summer as far north as 90N.
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Real Science
What does that that have to do with what I wrote, descibing the tenuous condition of the thin, badly fractured first year ice that is currently at the mouth of the McKenzie River?
Steve, I’m not sure why you’re bringing this up. Your whole string of posts on this subject has been predicated on how thick the ice is directly in the path of the rowers. Now you throw in that ice melts at the North Pole?? Are you trying to walk back from your bluster about the 95-100% concentration MYI it will take an icebreaker to get through?
“Can you imagine what thin, badly fractured foot thick year ice must look like?”
Probably looks like the iceberg did to the titanic.
I have no sympathy for these fools who do these stunts.
Even big ships have got caught out by ice in the NW passage:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Investigator_(1848)
Yes. navigating the Arctic is a case of bigger is not better. Amundsen’s boat was small and shallow draft, and so is htis rowboat. Amundsen is credited with transiting the NWP even though the water was only 3 ft deep in spots. Not a commercially useful route, but a great exploit nonetheless.
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/weather/arcticweather.uk.php
Click through on the right hand chart to see current temps. It looks like the Canadian Arctic coastline is in the area of 10 C and above. Nice rowing weather.
After you.
You know scientists, a bunch of bitchy little girls.
— Wise old saying
The bitchy little girls that brought you a heliocentric solar system, the laws of physics, relativity, and electromagnetism? Oh, that’s right, you are so smart that you can re-invent calculus, the laws of gravity, and quantum mechanics on your own. Sorry, I mistook you for a normal human that needs input from non-governmental scientific achievement, such as Tang, the internet, and nuclear energy. Wait, I am wrrrrrrong… it was the government that did that. Go figure.
I didn’t see where he wrote that they didn’t have achievements. Not that I would classify Einsteinian relativity as a valuable scientific achievement. But nonetheless I didn’t see that part of his comment.
RTF
mogur2013
I am not making this up, can you say DunningâKruger effect
Harry is author of “science” books.including one called A Simple Disproof of Plate Tectonics By Harry Dale Huffman
It is five pages and he is selling it for 5 dollars.
I luvs the google…hehehe
For the record I have not read this book and I didn’t know about it. If Harry does not believe in plate techtonics then I respectfully disagree with him; however, it is not material to the rant that he subjected to, which I believe was unfair. RTF
I meant tectonics.
Richard, that is one of his more mainstream books, to put it kindly, his science is not exactly mainstream.
Are you saying that you love the Government?
Please visit this site over the next two weeks to provide us with nice updates for Team Twisted…
Don’t trolls realize that most of us just don’t waste our time reading their drivel.
hehe, probably not!
Pathway,
Do you read at all? And if so, are any of them science papers?