Arctic Monkey Business Continues

The Arctic is very cold, and is not melting.

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There has been little change in Arctic ice extent over the last three days.

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But DMI shows Arctic sea ice rapidly declining.

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The amount of ice in the Arctic is almost exactly the same as this date last year.

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The mystery Arctic melting seems to be occurring somewhere outside the Arctic.

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82 Responses to Arctic Monkey Business Continues

  1. Jim Hunt says:

    At the risk of repeating myself – See all that green in and around the Canadian Arctic Archipelago on your final map Tony?

    Where is it in real life?

    http://go.nasa.gov/1RvXloS

    • Sunsettommy says:

      Notice that Jimmy is using a different source?

      • Colorado Wellington says:

        Par for the course with Snow White.

      • Jim Hunt says:

        Of course I’m “using a different source”. That’s the whole point! For those that are incapable of clicking a mouse button:

        • Jim Hunt says:

          PS. How do you display an image in a comment on here?

          • dave1billion says:

            I have the option to browse and choose a file.

            So save your image locally and select it.

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            Par for the course …

          • Jim Hunt says:

            Thanks Dave.

            However that seems like a very long winded way of displaying an image that’s already been posted on this very blog. There is no alternative?

            In the meantime, where are the holes in the perimeter of the CAA in May 2015?

          • AndyG55 says:

            These TINY changes in Arctic sea ice are irrelevant.

            As Jimbo well knows, but is too cowardly to admit, the Arctic was sea ice free in summer for considerable amounts the first 3/4 of the Holocene.

            The current level is still very high, and unfortunately, its recovery from the devastatingly high levels from the Little ice age is almost certainly coming to an end.

            The AMO has turned downwards, The El Nino which fed the “less cold” anomaly this year is gone. And the sun looks like having a snooze.

            The alarmista scammers know this, hence the desperation to make something out of this years levels, before it starts climbing again.

          • Jim Hunt says:

            Now Andy’s babbling as usual again. Try answering these questions instead.

            1) Can you see my image of the Canadian Archipelago in May 2015?

            2) If so please point out all the assorted areas of open water in the image. Especially the ones coloured green in Tony’s final map above.

            3) If you need to take a closer look please feel free to click this link and browse around to your hearts content:

            http://go.nasa.gov/1RvXloS

          • AndyG55 says:

            Still Jimbo the CON ARTIST refuses to admit the REALITY of Arctic sea ice.

            He is COWARD and an anti-science scumbag

            The LOWEST of the LOW.

        • Lawrence Martin says:

          I wonder why not a single so called skeptic questioned Mr Heller about the fact that his “arctic” forecast map excludes most of the arctic?
          The so called skeptics also have ignored the fact that Heller cropped the image to remove the inconvenient portion that show that the temperature anomalies are positive along the shore of the Beaufort and Chukchi seas.

          • tonyheller says:

            Moron alert

          • mogur says:

            The real question is not about what his map showed or did not show. Tony is simply lying to us. Sub zero temps do not mean that the arctic is gaining in sea ice. It means that as the arctic sea ice melting season is progressing, he is blatingly lying to us. Do you want to believe Tony, or the truth? Can’t be both.

          • AndyG55 says:

            “Sub zero temps do not mean that the arctic is gaining in sea ice. It means that as the arctic sea ice melting season is progressing”

            Ok.. so sub-zero temps melt ice.

            A new pseudo-science…….

            …. lets call it mogit-science.

          • Sunsettommy says:

            Notice that Lawrence is not reading it well since the first panel does indeed show it is still below freezing in most of the arctic,while he focus a small area that is straddling the freezing mark but onshore,while it is still freezing just offshore.

            This means that the WATER area is still freezing as that is where the Ice is located,in the water.

          • Sunsettommy says:

            By the way it is a FORECAST,not in real time.

            Here is the Map with current temperature reporting stations in the region:

            http://www.athropolis.com/map2.htm

          • Jim Hunt says:

            How about taking a look at some relevant information? The US Navy’s sea surface temperature map of the small corner of the Arctic basin visible in Mr. Heller’s temperature forecast for example?

            http://www7320.nrlssc.navy.mil/hycomARC/navo/beaufortsstnowcast.gif

            Perhaps Tony or Andy might enlighten us about the melting point of Arctic sea ice also? Where’s Caleb when you need him?

          • AndyG55 says:

            The REAL question is why all the alarmist scum/scam artists refuse to admit that the current Arctic sea ice level is actually quite HIGH compared to the MOST of the HOLOCENE.

            They seem to DENY the existence of the LIA..

            Ignorance and DENIAL of the truth… its all they have.

          • AndyG55 says:

            Perhaps Jimbo the cretin could enlighten us to the FACT that Arctic sea ice is actually much higher than most of the Holocene….

            apart from the LIA, which was the coldest most desperate part of the last 10,000 years.

            You really are a COWARDLY little piece of flotsam, aren’t you Jimbo

            I DARE you to post a page on your PROPAGANDA CON of a web site showing the REAL Arctic sea ice situation over the whole Holocene…

            If you don’t, you are nothing but a yellow backed worm.

        • Sunsettommy says:

          I looked it up,that is why I notice you are using a different source.

          Many here waiting for that cogent counterpoint you have yet to post.

          I thought you have a science background but hard to notice with your bare posts here.

    • AndyG55 says:

      Jimbo the clown has yet to admit to REALITY.. He is too cowardly to do so.

      The real truth is that Arctic sea ice is actually anomalously high compared to the rest of the Holocene. Jimbo knows this but continues to LIE BY OMMISSION.

      Biodata conclusively shows that during the first 3/4 or more of the last 10,000 years summer sea ice levels were often down to ZERO.

      The reason Arctic sea ice is still so anomalously high is because we are only just a bit above the COLDEST period in the whole of the last 10,000 years.

      In the current scheme of things, with the AMO being still very close to the top of its cycle, and there having been a strong El Nino that pushed somewhat less freezing air up through northern Russia, and the wind patterns have moved the ice around a bit.. still all irrelevant when you look at the longer term reality.

      the current level of sea ice is almost exactly where anyone looking purely at a scientific, would expect it to be.. nothing untoward at all is happening.

      Unfortunately, for the people living up there, the El Nino has gone, the AMO is heading downwards, and the sun is having a snooze..

      The next few years, maybe decades, will almost certainly see a very unwelcome climb in the amount of Arctic sea ice.

      The recovery from the frozen misery of the LIA has finished.

      • Sunsettommy says:

        I notice that he keeps ignoring what you point out about the little to no ice early in the Holocene time right up to the MWP.

        There are published science papers attesting to it,but Jimmy seems fixated over a tiny time frame…..

        Warmists generally seems unfazed by the fact that for most of the Holocene,CO2 levels were around the 260-280 level while there have been documented large swings in temperature and ice cover at the North Polar region. It is clear CO2 levels are not driving such big changes.

      • Colorado Wellington says:

        It doesn’t fit the narrative …

        • AndyG55 says:

          And DMI ice volume is actually behaving as one would expect from the continued cold up there.

          ……. dropping off much slower than usual.

          Remembering that it hit first by the remains of El Nino warming, then by strong winds.

          But again, these tiny changes are nothing compared to the changes from the first 3/4 of the Holocene, through the massive increase during the LIA, and the partial recovery to normal Holocene levels since then.

          • Jim Hunt says:

            What “continuing cold” would that be then Andy? Here’s the current version of the DMI’s world famous Arctic temperature graph, much beloved in these parts:

            http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php

            It looks much more like “continuing heat” does it not? Perhaps that explains why it’s been strangely absent from the “debate” until now?

          • AndyG55 says:

            Looks like its still MINUS 20 or thereabouts for the cold season, and pretty much on average for the less cold season.

            Are you seriously trying to tell everyone that water doesn’t freeze at -20C….. really ?????

            I didn’t think even YOU were THAT STUPID..

            But you keep proving me wrong.

          • AndyG55 says:

            Very funny..

            Jimbo sucks on the Exeter teat…. and thinks MINUS 20C is ““continuing heat””.

            Bizarre !

          • AndyG55 says:

            ps… Thanks Jimbo the clown, for showing us that current temperatures are almost exactly on the long term average..

            You are a credit to all skeptics. :-)

          • AndyG55 says:

            And yes, Jimbo, everyone knows there was an El Nino and the wonky jet stream pushed slightly les freezing air up over the Arctic..

            Do you have any real point to make..?

            Maybe you could try investigating the Arctic sea ice history over the whole Holocene..

            but I guess that would be beyond you.

          • Jim Hunt says:

            Here are my points Andy:

            1) It doesn’t require any “melting” for Arctic sea ice extent to reduce. Tony agrees!

            https://realclimatescience.com/2016/05/arctic-ice-be3ing-blown-off-shore/

            2) The open water in the Beaufort Sea is currently well above the “freezing point” of sea ice. Ergo the sea ice in the vicinity is melting.

            3) Tony’s evidence that purports to prove that “The amount of ice in the Arctic is almost exactly the same as this date last year” does nothing of the sort.

            At the risk of repeating myself repeating myself, here’s the CAA in May 2015 yet again. Feel free to show me where all the holes in it are located.

          • AndyG55 says:

            You have no point except meaningless trivia.

            What I find so HILARIOUS is that you keeps coming back here.

            You KNOW you have absolutely NO ANSWER to the reality of Holocene Arctic sea ice, yet you continues to display your absolutely brain-dead ignorance in the non-acceptance of this reality.

            It is a rod that I will continue to play “wack-a-fool” with as long as you come here and refuse to admit the real history of Arctic sea ice.

            You have given me the tool to ridicule you at every juncture, and you are too cowardly to do anything about it. You can run, duck …slither and slime away like the worm you are…, but you has nowhere to hide.

            Everyone that visits here can see what a truly low-end alarmist troll you are… arguing about irrelevant minor weather based changes, when you KNOW that the reality is that the Arctic sea ice level is well above the Holocene average..

            …..nothing to offer to defend yourself or those that you worship.

            Sad, cowardly and very, very pathetic.

          • AndyG55 says:

            A very simple question, Jimbo…

            What SHOULD the current level of Arctic sea ice be?

            Answer with reference to the whole of the current interglacial…..

            ….. or STFU and take your childish slime elsewhere. !!!

          • RAH says:

            Jim?

            What kind idiocy is that? What would you call someone that is arguing the sea ice in the Arctic is melting due to warm temps and then posts a graph showing the temperature constantly well below freezing at the Arctic?

          • Jim Hunt says:

            Can you spot the difference RAH?

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_Circle

            http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php

            Whilst you puzzle that one out perhaps you can also help Tony and Andy locate the open water sprinkled liberally across the CAA in May 2015?

          • AndyG55 says:

            Poor Jimbo..

            …for such a self-styled “expert” (roflmao) on Artic stuff.. he can’t even answer a simple question

            A very simple question, Jimbo…

            What SHOULD the current level of Arctic sea ice be?

            Answer with reference to the whole of the current interglacial…..

            Not going to happen is it.. because you absolutely MUST continue to DENY the history of Arctic sea ice.

            There is nothing untoward happening up there. Arctic sea ice is still WAY ABOVE the normal for the Holocene, and still trying to recover from the LIA

            Your childish, naive cherry-picking of one small weather affected section to try to make some irrelevant point, when you can’t even answer such a simple question, tells everyone exactly what you are.

            A LYING, PROPAGANDA CON-ARTIST.

          • RAH says:

            Jim we know sea ice changes constantly from various factors. But your arguing that it’s melting due to air temperature when the temps are now and have been well below freezing up there! No map needed to see the fallacy of that!

            You can argue about sublimation due to higher than normal SSTs or storms or changing wind and currents. But to argue that this is due to higher air temps is just plain crazy!

          • Jim Hunt says:

            Where am I “arguing that it’s melting due to air temperature” RAH?

            Whilst you’re pondering that, please point out all the assorted areas of open water in this image. Especially the ones coloured green in Tony’s final map above.

            http://go.nasa.gov/1NVXasm

        • Sunsettommy says:

          Notice that Jim, post another misleading comment when he fails to point out that the chart covers this area:

          “Daily mean temperature and climate north of the 80th northern parallel, as a function of the day of year.”

          There it shows that CURRENTLY, it is well below freezing.

  2. RAH says:

    One way to get a real indication of just how much ice there is would be to keep track of the large cruise ship Crystal Serenity as she attempts to make her way through the NW passage starting August 16th. The ship will have an ice breaking escort with two helicopters for scouting and has been outfitted with a radar specifically designed for making it easier to determine the density of the sea ice. It also will have two experienced NW passage pilots on the bridge. IOW they have provided and done about everything they possibly can to ensure success of the largest passenger ship navigation of the NW passage in history.

    Ship Statistics

    Name : Crystal Serenity

    Registry : Bahamas

    Builder : Chantiers de I’Atlantique

    Country Built In : France

    Ship Completed Date : 7/7/2003

    Christened By : Julie Andrews

    Call Letters : C6SY3

    Refurbished Date : 1/1/2011

    Capacity : 1080

    Number of Crew, Nationality : 635, European

    Gross Tonnage : 68000

    Stabilized : Yes

    Average Speed : 20 knots

    Maximum Speed : 21 knots

    Length : 820 feet

    Beam : 106 feet

    Number of Passenger Decks : 9

    Number of Outside Rooms : 548

    Number of Restaurants : 6

    Number of Pools : 2

    Number of Elevators : 8

    Voltage : 110/220

    Non-Smoking Dining : Yes

    Non-Smoking Ship : No

  3. RAH says:

    OH! BTW, they are already booking for a 2017 cruise through the NW passage departing Anchorage, AK on August 15th with the final port being NYC 32 days later.

  4. tomB says:

    http://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/nu-15_metric_e.html they keep saying temps will be above freezing every day and still they end up below their predictions

    • Frank says:

      And you are surprised?????
      If you feed faked data into your forecast model, that has an extra 2-3 degrees of fake hot added to it, it only stands to reason that all your forecasts will be 2-3 degrees above reality… your forecasts will consistently over-estimate the real temps.
      Even if your model is perfect… garbage in-garbage out.
      Been that way since I programmed FORTRAN on punch cards…

  5. Lawrence Martin says:

    Wrong link, here is May 27, please delete my last comment
    http://www.arctic.io/explorer/8-8/2016-05-27;2015-05-27/6-N75.7439-W143.49899

  6. BobbyK says:

    Speaking of monkey business, lol can these claims debunking the debunkers be debunked by the debunkers? http://billmoyers.com/2014/05/16/eight-pseudo-scientific-climate-claims-debunked-by-real-scientists/

  7. mogur says:

    There is a point, that most people get to. It is a point when people of good conscience get to. This blog is bullshit. Tony is a bullshitting frog. He lies about science. He lies about reality. If you want to deny the science, then fine, do it. But don’t claim to be open minded.

    • AndyG55 says:

      “If you want to deny the science, then fine, do it. But don’t claim to be open minded.”

      Seems to be your motto.

      It is what you live by……. avoiding and denying any real science.

    • AndyG55 says:

      ” It is a point when people of good conscience get to”

      So… somewhere you, particularly, will never find.

      Your moral preening and outrage is far-left scammer style..

      Always heading AWAY from morality.

    • Sunsettommy says:

      Mogur,

      what science is being denied?

    • Marty says:

      Ad homs, genetic fallacy, no argument, essentially infantile ranting.

      Dont let the science hit your behind on the way out

    • Sunsettommy says:

      It appears that Mogur fails to find evidence of science denial-ism when I asked him for it. He also fails to show where these alleged lies are either.

      It appears YOU are the one who are bullshitting here when you fail to back up your silly claims. It appears you behave more like a troll than a bogwump.

      Unsubstantiated Smears is what I see here.

  8. AndyG55 says:

    Considering that there was the El Nino temperature surge that pushed up through northern Russia, and a strong wind effect pushing a hole near the northern Alaskan coast, the Arctic sea ice is holding remarkably well.

    Looking at ice volumes, we see this year is pretty similar to last year, its just that the 3-5m thick sea ice has been pushed into the centre of the Arctic.

    All other changes are basically insignificant.

    It will certainly be funny to watch these alarmist suckophants heading into next winter up there, now that the AMO is heading downwards and the El Nino warming is gone.

    I expect we will see rather rapid gains in Arctic sea ice over the next few years.

    And from the manic panic in their posts, I think they also know this is coming ;-)

    This will probably be the last year for decades that they can trumpet Arctic ice minimums.

    • AndyG55 says:

      Question is, will they turn around and say that CO2 is causing the Arctic sea ice to increase? (like they tried with the Antarctic.)

      That will be so funny when they start to do that. :-)

  9. AndyG55 says:

    Darn, forgot the pic.

    • AndyG55 says:

      Seems to be some minor losses in the areas indicated, but the 3-5m thick ice looks like it has increased markedly since last year.

      Heading into next winter will be interesting.

      • Marty says:

        July August will be interesting, winter is going to see a big gain that none of the usuals will report on

        • AndyG55 says:

          That is when the different Arctic sea ice reports will be put under extreme pressure.

          It will only take one to be truthful.. and the rest will have to follow.

          Finding that “one” may be the difficulty, though.

  10. AndyG55 says:

    missed the pic again. !!!

  11. Marty says:

    Ryan Maue pointed out that arctic air was -12c at a time of reported melting of ice in April
    -12 Air temperature btw.

    This implies the relevant question, if ice is surrounded by a -12c air, how does it absorb heat from -12c air to melt the ice?

    Answers on a postcard.

    Anomaly maps are to blame for su much stupid hysteria, a big deep red piece of NASA anomaly map shows an area -12c where the average was -17c, ergo fools think this is hot, NASA are and have been misleading the public with anomaly maps for years, intentionally

  12. Marty says:

    DMI like RSS were brought into political line.

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