Arctic Screaming To Scientists : “Shut Up”

In 2008, Lewis Pugh tried to kayak to the North Pole – based on the predictions of government fake scientists at NSIDC in Boulder, CO.

BBC NEWS | UK | Swimmer aims to kayak to N Pole

North Pole could be ice free in 2008 | New Scientist

Mark Serreze said the Arctic was screaming.

Scientists: ‘Arctic Is Screaming,’ Global Warming May Have Passed Tipping Point | Fox News

Pugh only made it a few miles out of Svalbard, where ice extent was above normal that summer.

Arctic sea ice extent is the same as it was eleven years ago.  The Arctic is indeed screaming at climate scientists – to shut up.

Charctic Interactive Sea Ice Graph | Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis

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148 Responses to Arctic Screaming To Scientists : “Shut Up”

  1. Andy DC says:

    There is cruise ship that will supposedly traverse the Northwest Passage this summer. The booking fee is $20,000. It should be a real hoot to follow, as they will no doubt need to be rescued by Russian icebreakers.

    • neal s says:

      We are still waiting for more commercial cargo ships using the northwest passage. Only about three in the last decade or so. If there really were dramatically shrinking arctic sea ice during summer, then why are there no additional cargo vessels taking advantage of this? Despite the claims of Griff and others, ship operators who actually stand to lose money if they are wrong, are remarkably reluctant to use the northwest passage for cargo.

    • jac says:

      The cruise ship is the Crystal Serenity and this will be the second trip across the Northwest Passage. Serenity sailed from Seward, AK to New York City August 16 to September 17, 2016.

      I was on the trip & we saw ice but nothing to impeded the progress of the ship through the Passage. The most ice we saw was after the passage at a village in Illulisat, Greenland. The huge glacier there calved overnight while we sailed across the Davis Strait & the captain stopped seven miles offshore. There was too much ice & it was moving too much in the wind to put passengers in tenders to go ashore.

      Will the Northwest Passage be open or closed this year? We may not know until July.

      The Serenity will be accompanied by a support ship that is an icebreaker and carries equipment and crew for expeditions ashore. The Earnest Shackleton sailed with us last year & is due to make the same voyage this year.

      I have read that this will be the last voyage of a ship this size. There are a number of smaller ships that have sailed the Passage for several years. We saw the Hapag Lloyd ship named Bremen on the cruise & heard of a French ship in the same waters. These ships are double-hulled & rated for heavy ice conditions. Crystal is building one of these ships for polar expeditions that will launch in 2018.

      I am not associated with Crystal in any way other than having been on several cruises with the line.

      • Marty says:

        Wow, they managed it in Sept! right at the end of melt season in an uber El Nino year.


        • RAH says:

          It may not be an “uber El Nino” but it is looking like we’re in for another El Nino this year. Right now conditions are “neutral” having previously been La Nina but the bottom has dropped out of the ENSO indicating a return of El Nino conditions for the second half of 2017. So I wouldn’t be betting against the Crystal Serenity just yet!

          • AZ1971 says:

            If you believe the NWS/NCEP/CPC CFSv2 forecast, they’re predicting El Niño conditions by April. But that’s a big “if”.

            The Hovmoller graphs are not showing that much thermal retention at depth to spur much higher SST’s, despite indications that—based on their aggregate models—we’re setting up for a strong El Niño comparable to 2015/16. Color me skeptical, but I just don’t see that as probable.

      • neal s says:

        Just want to point out that cruise ships have things arranged such they get paid regardless of whether or not they manage to complete their passage. Cargo ships not so much. So cruise ship operators have nothing to lose.

      • gator69 says:

        The crystal ship is being filled
        A thousand grants, a thousand shills
        A million ways to spend your dime
        When we get back, We’ll moan and whine

      • Griff says:

        NW passage open every year for last decade, so YES, it will be open again this year.

        and to any size of ship, without icebreaker assistance.

        Remember that is different to taking 2 years to pass through in a strengthened against ice vessel or passing through with massive ice breaker support.

        • gator69 says:

          7,000,000 dead humans every year for decades, so YES, Ms Griff is a holocaust enabler.

          and most of those Ms Griff snuffs out are poor brown women and children, without assistance.

          Remember that is no different to taking 21,000 humans daily to pass through a gas chamber or passing through ovens made for people.

          • Billy says:

            Gator, I’m curious about your interest in this video. The US currently spends about 18 billion annually on foreign aid. Do you agree that this amount and/or the 8 billion we give to the UN should be increased?

          • gator69 says:

            I am not for funding foreign governments.

          • Billy says:

            Agreed, there are many problems with the current aid distribution system. But do you agree with his statement that we should provide more direct humanitarian aid he describes in the video, such as those that would provide basic nutrition, disease prevention, and education?

          • Gator says:

            I agree with providing aid directly to those in need.

          • Billy says:

            At the risk of sounding obtuse, how would you propose to distribute humanitarian aid directly to the people who need it independently of the government they live under?

          • gator69 says:

            Christian charities et al, like I do now.

          • Billy says:

            Duly noted. But those charities function within the conscriptions imposed by the host government, or else they don’t function. As Christian charities, they also function within the conscriptions imposed by the particular denomination they are affiliated with. This means that Catholic charities, for example, promote abstinence alone as a way to combat the spread of HIV. Given that preventing HIV was was the number one priority identfied in the 2005 video, and by all accounts, would still be at the top of the list today, I don’t think this approach is working.

          • RAH says:

            There is a hell of a lot more aid given than those numbers cover. The US military, does much you never hear about, both on and off the books, to aid the people of many nations around the world. The scale of this kind of aid ranges at the top end to include cruises of the Navy hospital ships to less developed allied nations for training. On such cruises the ships carry medical personnel from all the services so they get experience in treating diseases and conditions not generally found at home. At the bottom end are deployments of medical personnel to less developed nations to train their indigenous counterparts. In between are various projects by US Army engineers that improve the infrastructure of the host nation. Most of this kind of thing comes from the military budget.

          • gator69 says:

            I don’t think this approach is working.

            I know that it is, otherwise I would not be donating money monthly. I have witnessed the work that you “think” is not working. Go and watch the work being done, and you will learn much.

            There is no perfect solution, but there are bad solutions, which is what we have now as we spend trillions on a nonexistent problem while millions starve to death.

            Are you against saving human lives? What is your point, aside from smearing Catholics?

          • AndyG55 says:

            Carbon dioxide is plant food, not pollution.

            Restricting access to fossil fuels has very negative effects upon the wellbeing of people around the world.

            It condemns over 4 billion people in still underdeveloped countries to continued poverty.

            This is the real problem.

            If even a fraction of the funds spent on using renewables to decimate the energy supply systems of first world countries had been used to start to give third world countries solid, reliable energy, it could have saved the lives of many millions of people over the years, and help lit those countries gradually out of the desperate poverty they have been locked into.

            The Anti-CO2 agenda, and those that support it, have a WHOLE LOT OF BLOOD and DEATH on their hands.

            But.. THEY DON’T CARE !!

          • Gail Combs says:

            There are plenty of relatively low tech ‘solutions’ that would help third world people out of the hole they are in.

            E.M. Smith mentions one that has been known since the 1970s (I remember the article too.)
            Penning Goats and the ‘Bean Tree’

            Another that goes with it is old tech wooden and cloth windmills for pumping water and grinding grain.

            You need technology that can be understood, built and repaired by locals. Once you get an excess food supply THEN you can move on from there.

            Unfortunately these have ZERO return on investment so the Trans-national corporations aren’t interested on spending OUR tax dollars on those more primitive self-help technology. That is why churches are going to have actual success.

            This excerpt from a letter of someone from Africa who is trying to save the Zebu cattlle in Kenya drives it home.

            …Yes we have allot of Government interference but the biggest thread to our survival is the Billion of American tax money and any other rich countries sending to Africa for poverty eradication.I will foreword you the article I wrote about the donor money to Africa.

            The government and big malty national cooperation’s are our number one enemy.In my village the large Sugar industry is killing us. first they asked people to clear the forests to grow sugar cane , sugar cane takes two years to harvest, but because of corruption it takes up to seven years sometimes if you do not pay kick back they will never come to harvest your sugar cane,and even if they cut after seven years they deduct so much fees that most small scale farmers wind up owing them money.

             The worst thing they did is that they coursed so much land degradation of small farmers by using too much nitrogen phosphate chemical fertilizers and over relying on just one crop without rotation.This has created the top soil to be so acidic and since the villagers cleared the trees to make room for sugar cane crops there is nothing to prevent top soil from getting washed into the rivers then on to lake Victoria.Please google the effect of nitrogen phosphate into Lake Victoria and you can see the damage to the lake. All the river streams flowing into the Lake are carrying so much soil and Chemical fertilizers in such a way that in a few years there will be no Lake Victoria.Here is what new york Times write about What Heifer International , and Land O lake is doing to Africa and the world it is a shame. Heifer international Animals dies within three months of their arival to Africa ,

          • gator69 says:

            Unfortunately these have ZERO return on investment so the Trans-national corporations aren’t interested on spending OUR tax dollars on those more primitive self-help technology.

            That’s exactly why religious charities are succesful, they only care about helping the poor. I should be allowed to decide who uses my money, and how.

          • Billy says:

            Gator, I’m not sure where I smeared Catholics, or why you’re asking if I’m against saving lives. I am pointing out that the number one priority in the 2005 video you posted has not been solved, in spite of lots of government and charity programs directed at it.

          • Gator says:

            If it was solved Billy, why would I be posting the video?

            You dissed the efforts of Catholics who have done much to ease human suffering and death, by casting dispersion on their beliefs and practices.


            What is your point?

          • Colorado Wellington says:


            One of my favorite radio commentators liked to ask people “where they sit” before discussing “where they stand”. He knew that people come with certain preconceived ideas and it saves time to understand it.

            There is nothing wrong with asking questions about the most effective way to spend limited funds to help the world’s poor but I find your line of questioning somewhat curious.

            Why do you care how private charities and Gator spend their money? Or, by extension, how I spend mine?

            Is it not time for you to tell us “where you sit”?

            I made some preliminary assumptions from your questions but I would appreciate to hear it from you directly.

        • neal s says:

          I am confident that Griff will keep us apprised of the many large cargo vessels that are sure to pass through the northwest passage this coming summer all without icebreaker assistance. After all, he wrote

          ” YES, it will be open again this year, and to any size of ship, without icebreaker assistance.”

          Of course if by some chance there are none, then this will again prove that Griff is a liar and that CAGW is a farcical fiction from the fevered heads of its advocates.

          I wonder … why are the CAGW proponents never thrilled that they have been proved wrong. If they really cared about what they claim they care about, then they should be happy for each failed prediction, because it would just add another nail into the coffin of CAGW. Instead they piss and moan and make excuses like babies.

          Reminds me of “I’ll get you yet …” and “Just wait till next year!!”. But it is likely that they are not rational. Rational people would change their minds when there is a preponderance of evidence against their challenged beliefs.

          I might ask Griff and others CAGW proponents … is there anything that could possibly change your mind about CAGW ? And they should know that if the answer to this is “nothing” then their beliefs are not based on science, but instead they have a religion. (And not a very good one at that!!)

        • Gail Combs says:

          If you add up all the taxes (151 taxes on a loaf of bread = over 1/2 the cost of the loaf per President Reagan.) then we have ~80% of our wages taken from us at gun point.

          Much of that goes to ’causes’ I do not approve of at all, grants to colleges and universities I dislike, $$ to shoddy education, planned parenthood, illegals education, medical, housing and food, WWF, the UN, NATO….

          I should decide where my $$$ goes not some bought and paid for Congress Critter who is paying off his campaign donors a thousand fold with MY money.

        • Billy says:

          Gator and Colorado, I think you’re reading much more into my question than I intended. As stated in my first question, I was simply curious about Gator’s opinion on the video he posted. I have not smeared Catholics, and I certainly did not (and do not) downplay the good that charities do. My only point of disagreement with Gator seems to be in my belief that aid from charities – or from the US or UN – can not be provided independently of the government of the host nation, and in the case of Christian charites, independently of the belief system of the charity. That’s it.

          • AndyG55 says:

            “aid from charities – or from the US or UN – can not be provided independently of the government of the host nation”

            And therein lies the HUGE problem

            With many of the countries that really do require help, the government is most of the problem.

          • Gator says:

            If the host government is not welcoming of free aid, move on.


            (Did I really post this, or was it some weird dream about a BGOTO?)

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            “My only point of disagreement with Gator …

            Billy, I don’t see where you disagree.

    • Andy says:

      Why Russian who are 1000 miles away?


      • AndyG55 says:

        Pay them enough, they will come.

        Lets have a look at numbers

        Canada 8 (last build in 1986)

        China 1

        USA 3 + NFS has 3 research vessels

        Russia 5 nuclear powered, 39 operational diesel powered, 31 other boats of various types with significant ice breaking capability.

        So who do you think is most likely to have an icebreaker in the area, dumboy !

  2. David A says:

    These attempts have the aid of GPS, real time high resolution satellite images, ice breakers, and modern weather forecasting, and yet they often fail.

    • Windsong says:

      Makes sense. Just looked on the NWS site and it shows Buoy 48280 at 85N reporting -48F at 1200 (local) on 21 Feb. Lots of variability as you move south, but doesn’t appear like ice additions will be over anytime soon.

    • Jim Hunt says:


      Here yet again is what NASA’s Walt Meier has to say about MASIE:

      DMI, MASIE and the Sea Ice Index – An Interview With Walt Meier

      A brief extract for your edification:

      Data from different satellite sensors is incorporated which means there are inevitably inconsistencies from day to day and from year to year. There is also an element of “human subjectivity” because different analysts are working with different sources of data from one day to the next. Since the quantity and quality of data varies the time series will not be consistent over time.

      • gator69 says:

        Ice melts at the p;oles, and nobody dies as a result.

        Billions wasted on studying meaningless ice kills millions.

        Why do you hate poor people Genocide Jim? Why are you such a shameless scumbag?

        • Andy DC says:

          If somehow the Arctic became “ice free” during summer, would that be a net negative or positive for humanity?

          Of course, it is a highly speculative question to ask, because it is not happening anytime soon.

        • Robertv says:

          Billions wasted (on studying meaningless ice) killing millions is exactly their goal. It is a power/wealth transfer from We The People to a very small group Pizza eating sc..bags.
          Jim doesn’t realise that he is just a tool to be eliminated when no longer needed. In that new world there is no need for useless eaters.

        • Griff says:

          I thought you were claiming that millions are starving to death because we put money into climate science… now nobody is dying?

      • AndyG55 says:

        Jimbo the human-hater only cares about meaningless sea ice, even though there is SO MUCH MORE OF IT than at basically any time during the current interglacial, except the coldest period, the LIA and the beneficial climb out of those frigid tempertures.

        Where that has been massive cold anomalies where people actually try to live, Jimbo couldn’t give a rat’s, could you Jimbo

        Even old people dying from energy poverty in his own country….. he just doesn’t give a SH*T, do you Jimbo..

        just so long as you get your chicken little rant in about Arctic Sea Ice recovering from the extremes of the late 1970’s

        You’ll be warm enough in your cosy warm southern UK with your fossil fuel heat powered heating.

      • Gerald Machnee says:

        So is Walt giving an excuse for his errors?
        No wonder the ice is screaming at him.

  3. But we all know that it is the wrong colour/shape/taste/smell (delete as appropriate)!

  4. Andy says:



    You heard it here first.



    • AndyG55 says:

      Antarctic sea ice zig-zags up and down over about a 3-4 year period.,

      But overall the trend is upwards this century.

      Didn’t you know that ?????

      Ignorant as usual ?

    • AndyG55 says:

      And what a piddlingly short period as well, hey, dumboy.

      Pity is there is not going to be traces of Sea ice extent in the Antarctic like there is in the Arctic.

    • AZ1971 says:

      What relevance does duration of the Antarctic melt season have as opposed to the extent of the melt? In 2014 it set an all-time record high; today it’s near the lowest ever measured. What fundamental scientific conclusions regarding AGW can be gleaned from such sea-saw measurements?

      I’ll help you out … the answer is “none”.

  5. Andy says:

    Considering the complete flip from lots of sea ice in the Antarctic to a lot less than normal, I would like it to be commented on here. Antarctic ice is lowest ever and had the longest melt season in the satellite record.


    • AndyG55 says:

      “Antarctic ice is lowest ever ”

      BULLS**T… 1979 is not “ever” , you brainless twerp.

    • Robertv says:

      lots of sea ice in the Antarctic = Global Warming
      lot less than normal of sea ice in the Antarctic = Global Warming


      • Griff says:

        The effects of climate change can spread it out thin, thanks to change in wind patterns and melt it away entirely.

        So yes, you are right.

        • gator69 says:

          21,000 again today Ms Griff? Is your precious ice worth that?

        • AZ1971 says:

          The effects of climate change can spread it out thin, thanks to change in wind patterns and melt it away entirely. So yes, you are right.

          The effects of greater Antarctic sea ice extent is that, because of its regular near-complete melting YoY, if extent is high during the winter then that much more sea ice exists to increase the albedo effect. Climate change doesn’t affect winds, either in strength or direction, the way you pretend it is—and not the least of which is because such theory violates Popper’s Law of Falsifiability.

        • Latitude says:

          I have to think someone is lying…when they know that much about climate change
          ..and still think what little has changed effected the wind

          If this planet was that sensitive we would all be dead by now.

        • Colorado Wellington says:

          Ms Griff, you are a poster girl for climate change “science” and a prime example of things spread out very thin.

    • David A says:

      Clearly a 30 year up trend showing an unusual one year reversal is due to CO2.

    • AndyG55 says:

      That’s a shoddy averaged graph, Get the correct data from NSIDC

      Day 50 and 51 were both above 2006 and 2016.

      MAIE shows day 50 2017 above 2006,2007 and 2015..

      and day 51 above 2006, 2011 and 2015.

      The whole lot is same old same old….. no measureable change.

      Average trend in MASIE since 2006 is essentially ZERO.

  6. Jim Hunt says:

    At the risk of repeating myself, need I say more?

  7. Cam says:

    DMI temperatures above 80N approaching normal.

  8. Griff says:


    you pick the one point on the one graph where it crosses 2006 at this time of year and say its the same?

    The sea ice has been at record lows for nearly all this freezing season… it is thinner and has less volume than before.

    It is going to melt out to another record low extent this year… definitely in the top 4 lowest and quite possibly challenging 2012.

    Oh – and why are you not mentioning the Antarctic sea ice which is? Anyone?

    • gator69 says:

      Why not mention those who will needlessly starve because of your chicken little BS?

    • Stewart Pid says:

      Griff are you insane?
      You accuse Tony of picking one point on a graph etc and then you do the same thing with the Antarctic ice extent which had several years of running above normal but has recently dropped. Actually I will save you some trouble and answer for you … indeed Griff you are batshit crazy!!

    • AndyG55 says:

      There is NO WAY it will melt out to the ZERO summer sea ice that existed for much of the first 3/4 of the Holocene.

      It will continue to be WAY ABOVE the pre-LIA average extent.

      Or are you going to continue to DENY climate change?

  9. Sunsettommy says:

    Jim and Griff,

    how come it hasn’t become ice free during the summer?


    • Jim Hunt says:

      There’s only a couple of Wadhams to go Tommy!

      • gator69 says:

        How many Wadhams of starved people do you have to go to hit your ghoul goal for this year GJ?

      • Sunsettommy says:

        Meanwhile Jim and silent Griff,

        how come world didn’t shrivel up and die, when there were long periods of time in the early interglacial period, of little to no SUMMER ice?

        How come warmists ignore climatology of the Interglacial period so much?

        • AndyG55 says:

          They HAVE to totally DENY pre-LIA Arctic sea ice levels for the AGW scam to even look like it has any legs.
          In reality, AGW is nothing but a tape-worm on society.

          Good thing is that their WILFUL IGNORANCE is now being highlighted by many, and they are looking like nothing more than the most slimy con-artists and climate change deniers.

      • Gail Combs says:

        Jimmy Boy and Griffy IGNORE real climate and concentrate on short term WEATHER in order to LIE to the public.

        As every one keeps telling them the Arctic was ice free and WARMER earlier in the Holocene than now.

        Here are a couple of the PEER-REVIEWED PAPERS stating this:

        Temperature and precipitation history of the Arctic

        …. Solar energy reached a summer maximum (9% higher than at present) ~11 ka ago and has been decreasing since then, primarily in response to the precession of the equinoxes. The extra energy elevated early Holocene summer temperatures throughout the Arctic 1-3°C above 20th century averages, enough to completely melt many small glaciers throughout the Arctic, although the Greenland Ice Sheet was only slightly smaller than at present. Early Holocene summer sea ice limits were substantially smaller than their 20th century average, and the flow of Atlantic water into the Arctic Ocean was substantially greater. As summer solar energy decreased in the second half of the Holocene, glaciers re-established or advanced, sea ice expanded…

        Ice free Arctic Ocean, an Early Holocene analogue

        Extensive systems of wave generated beach ridges along the North Greenland coasts show that these areas once saw seasonally open water. In addition to beach ridges, large amounts of striated boulders in and on the marine sediments from the same period also indicate that the ocean was open enough for ice bergs to drift along the shore and drop their loads. Presently the North Greenland coastline is permanently beleaguered by pack ice, and ice bergs are very rare and locked up in the sea ice. Predictions of the rapidly decreasing sea ice in the Arctic Ocean generally point to this area as the last to become ice free in summer. We therefore suggest that the occurrence of wave generated shores and abundant ice berg dropped boulders indicate that the Arctic Ocean was nearly free of sea ice in the summer at the time when they were formed. The beach ridges occur as isostatically raised “staircases”, and C14-dated curves for relative sea level change show that they were formed in the Early Holocene. A large set of samples of molluscs from beach ridges and marine sediments were collected in the summer of 2007, and are presently being dated to give a precise dating of the ice free interval. Preliminary results indicate that it fell within the interval from c. 8.5 to c. 6 ka – being progressively shorter from south to north. We therefore conclude that for a period in the Early Holocene, probably for a millenium or more, the Arctic Ocean was free of sea ice at least for shorter periods in the summer….


        Lesson from the past: present insolation minimum holds potential for glacial inception

        … Because the intensities of the 397 ka BP and present insolation minima are very similar, we conclude that under natural boundary conditions the present insolation minimum holds the potential to terminate the Holocene interglacial. Our findings support the Ruddiman hypothesis [Ruddiman, W., 2003. The Anthropogenic Greenhouse Era began thousands of years ago. Climate Change 61, 261–293], which proposes that early anthropogenic greenhouse gas emission prevented the inception of a glacial that would otherwise already have started.

        Muller and Pross concluded

        The possible explanation as to why we are still in an interglacial relates to the early anthropogenic hypothesis of Ruddiman (2003, 2005). According to that hypothesis, the anomalous increase of CO2 and CH4 concentrations in the atmosphere as observed in mid- to late Holocene ice-cores results from anthropogenic deforestation and rice irrigation, which started in the early Neolithic at 8000 and 5000 yr BP, respectively. Ruddiman proposes that these early human greenhouse gas emissions prevented the inception of an overdue glacial that otherwise would have already started.”

        Lisiecki and Raymo state the same thing in their paper, A Pliocene-Pleistocene stack of 57 globally distributed benthic D18O records

        In addition, current insolation values are not predicted to return to the high values of late MIS 11 for another 65 kyr. We propose that this effectivelyprecludes a ‘double precession-cycle’ interglacial [e.g., Raymo, 1997] in the Holocene without human influence.

        SO WHY do Jimmy Boy and Griffy IGNORE Quaternary Science???

        • RAH says:

          “SO WHY do Jimmy Boy and Griffy IGNORE Quaternary Science???”
          Because if they didn’t their edifice of man caused catastrophic climate change would tumble like the house of cards it is.

        • BruceC says:

          According to Jim Bob, the three vessels currently stranded in the Chaunskaya Bay is ‘balderdash’.

          Jim Bob needs to stop reading ‘fake news’ and step out into the real world.

          Trust me Jim Bob, it won’t hurt you and you may actually get a surprise on what is really going on in the real world … not the ‘fake world’ that you and Griff live in.

        • Sunsettommy says:

          Notice that Jimmy goes quiet, as soon as we confront him about the climatology of the Arctic, during the Holocene?


          • Sunsettommy says:

            Jimboy,never did address the climatology history of Arctic ice,because it would destroy his delusions.

          • AndyG55 says:

            As I say…. Jimbo the clown is Climate Change DENIER №1

            NO-ONE DENIES climate change as deeply as he does.

          • Gail Combs says:

            AND asks idiotic questions like:
            “What was the average global population of Homo Sapiens Sapiens resident in coastal cities during the first 3/4 of the Holocene?”

            ….Coastal CITIES??? Does the guy believe in Atlantis TOO????

            Ancient Cities and Megalithic Sites Underwater

            …A wealth of human history lies submerged in ancient cities at the bottoms of lakes, seas and oceans of the world…

            Unlike the fabled cities of Atlantis and Lemuria, the underwater ruins of the ancient Greek city of Helike were rediscovered in 2001. Buried underneath the remnants of a primordial lagoon, it is no longer a tantalizing mystery for writers, historians and enterprising explorers. A multitude of ancient cities and buildings have been found underneath the waters of our oceans. In the past couple of years, discovery claims surfaced of ancient underwater sites the size of Pompeii….

            Sunken ruins of Cleopatra’s palace, Alexandria, Egypt

            Off the shores of Alexandria, the city of Alexander the Great, lie what are believed to be the ruins of the royal quarters of Cleopatra…..

          • AndyG55 says:

            Question 1 for Jimbo, the Exeter Uni arse-licker..

            Even if the Arctic sea ice were to drop back a lot further than now, towards the pre-LIA norm, why is this a problem ?

            Question 2 for Jimbo, the troll with the massive yellow streak.

            Do you think it would be beneficial if Arctic sea lanes were actually open, instead of trapping ships in sea ice?

            Or would it be more beneficial if they were closed all year like back in the extremes of 1979. ?

            Watch the little sewer rat squirm and worm in his efforts to avoid answering these questions.

          • AndyG55 says:

            Why would you refer someone to a bunch of proven LIES, Jimbo?

            Its all you have, isn’t it.

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            “AND asks idiotic questions …”

            Why is that stupid and arrogant so frequently go hand in hand?

  10. AndyG55 says:

    So Jimbo, you utter and complete MORON..

    Failure not surprising given the time of year

    They are STUCK in SEA ICE……. until May or June….

    admit it, or yet again PROVE you are an illiterate, non-comprehending IDIOT !!!

    CAPEEEEEEShhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!

      • AndyG55 says:

        Stuck near Pevek until May June

        DENY all you like, doesn’t change the FACTS , does it..

        Question 1 for Jimbo, the Exeter Uni arse-licker..

        Even if the Arctic sea ice were to drop back a lot further than now, towards the pre-LIA norm, why is this a problem ?

        Question 2 for Jimbo, the troll with the massive yellow streak.

        Do you think it would be beneficial if Arctic sea lanes were actually open, instead of trapping ships in sea ice?

        Or would it be more beneficial if they were closed all year like back in the extremes of 1979. ?

        Run away, Jimbo…. you dare not answer.

      • AndyG55 says:

        Tell you what , Jimbo, how about you stop posting until all 3 ships are in their destination ports.

        Do you DARE take that challenge ??

        Or are you going to keep up the monkey chattering and mindless denial.?

      • AndyG55 says:

        Come on Jimbo.. COURAGE of your convictions , If the ships are not stuck, they are free to continue to there destination ports.

        The money wasted by them being trapped near Pevek must be enormous and certainly to be avoided if they are able to continue.

        Wouldn’t you agree, Jimbo !

        or would you continue to DENY, DENY, DENY.

        • AndyG55 says:

          Jimbo, yet again TOTALLY AVOIDING answering any question that would show his brain-washed agenda driven belifs.

          You really are a sad, cowardly little worm , Jimbo.

          A great big yellow snivelling troll.

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