More Trouble For Arctic Alarmists

The Northwest Passage is blocked by very thick ice in the Beaufort Sea.

DMI Modelled ice thickness

And cold temperatures are forecast there through the end of the month.

10-Day Temperature Outlook

By the time this cold spell ends, the sun will be past its peak elevation in the Northern Hemisphere and will be sliding back towards the long Arctic winter.

The big lie doesn’t depend on facts however. All it requires is useful idiots in the press corps.

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90 Responses to More Trouble For Arctic Alarmists

  1. Andy DC says:

    The Arctic alasrmists that troll this site seem to have gone into hiding.

  2. Stewart Pid says:

    Griff – there is your big chance …. you could be one of those useful idiots Tony was talking about … you have all the necessary qualities & have enough idiocy for at least two people … perhaps even three!

    • griff says:

      Look at the data Stewart. Look hard at the data.

      • gator69 says:

        Look at the photo Ms Griff. Look hard at the photo.

        • Griff says:

          You are weird, to say the least.

          That photo has nothing to do with climate science…

          • gator69 says:

            Once again Ms Griff, that photo is of the people that CAGW alarmists starve at the rate of 21,000 per day. I have shown you this time and again, along with the backing of Nobel Laureates who also say you are aiding in genocide.

            You are a life denier, Ms Griff.

            These were the bad projects. As you might see the bottom of the list was climate change. This offends a lot of people, and that’s probably one of the things where people will say I shouldn’t come back, either. And I’d like to talk about that, because that’s really curious. Why is it it came up? And I’ll actually also try to get back to this because it’s probably one of the things that we’ll disagree with on the list that you wrote down.
            The reason why they came up with saying that Kyoto — or doing something more than Kyoto — is a bad deal is simply because it’s very inefficient. It’s not saying that global warming is not happening. It’s not saying that it’s not a big problem. But it’s saying that what we can do about it is very little, at a very high cost. What they basically show us, the average of all macroeconomic models, is that Kyoto, if everyone agreed, would cost about 150 billion dollars a year. That’s a substantial amount of money. That’s two to three times the global development aid that we give the Third World every year. Yet it would do very little good. All models show it will postpone warming for about six years in 2100. So the guy in Bangladesh who gets a flood in 2100 can wait until 2106. Which is a little good, but not very much good. So the idea here really is to say, well, we’ve spent a lot of money doing a little good.
            And just to give you a sense of reference, the U.N. actually estimate that for half that amount, for about 75 billion dollars a year, we could solve all major basic problems in the world. We could give clean drinking water, sanitation, basic healthcare and education to every single human being on the planet. So we have to ask ourselves, do we want to spend twice the amount on doing very little good? Or half the amount on doing an amazing amount of good? And that is really why it becomes a bad project. It’s not to say that if we had all the money in the world, we wouldn’t want to do it. But it’s to say, when we don’t, it’s just simply not our first priority.


      • Jimmy Haigh says:

        Look at the ice Griff. Look at the ice.

      • Andy DC says:

        Look hard at the data, Griff (see bottom of attachment above).
        Arctic sea ice is currently normal for the last 10 years. No death spiral, no sign of catastrophic warming, no need for world communism or draconian wealth redistribution. All the past crackpot forecasts of an ice free Arctic have been woefully inaccurate.

  3. Joe says:

    “The Northwest Passage is blocked by very thick ice in the Beaufort Sea.” Not only that, look at that blob of 5-meter thick ice touching the western shore of Baffin Island, in the Northwest Passage

  4. Lasse says:

    The myth about Arctic water gaining energy when icecap disappear due to albedo and sunshine is hard to believe.

      • gator69 says:

        Ms Griff hates poor brown people, so she posts anything that she believes excuses her genocide.

      • sunsettommy says:

        Ha ha,

        Griff links to notorious Wadhams and his failed ice vanish predictions. He now thinks this year or in 2018,there will be no Summer ice.

        You are being conned Griff.

        • Griff says:

          Yep. I thought quoting Wadhams would be specially irritiating (as he’s going to be proved right at some point).

          He’s only been studying the ice for 40 years or so.

          • dave1billion says:

            Ptolemy studied the heavens for decades too.
            His model placed the Earth at the center of the universe.

            The Ptolemaic Model was accepted, “consensus” science for 1500 years.
            That doesn’t mean Ptolemy was right.

            A man studying ice for 40 years (or even 400 years) and thinking that he understands the processes and patterns with certainty is like a mayfly, born at noon, studying the sun.

            Imagine the mayfly declares that the sun, based on his observations, is slowly dying and falling from the sky. Despite the considerable portion of his life spent on observations, the mayfly doesn’t understand the process. Furthermore, the mayfly then pronounces that the predicted extinction of all life on Earth is caused by the sinful excesses of his randy species and that oncoming extinction event can only be averted by the mayflies changing their lifestyles.

            Despite what the mayfly thinks, or how his society changes based on his dire predictions, the sun is going to set that night and rise the next day. The mayfly’s prediction of the sun’s setting may have correct, but that didn’t mean that he understood the process and that tomorrow the same process would repeat itself, ad-infinitum.

          • RAH says:

            You mean that guy that has been wrong year after year after year? The guy that claimed that three “climate scientists” he knew were assassinated by “oil lobby workers”?

            Your apparently as sick as he is.

          • neal s says:

            If I had such a dismal track record, I would change my profession. This is like the idiot hitting his head against the brick wall thinking he can get through that way and saying “I’m going to be proved right at some point!”.

          • Gator69 says:

            He’s only been studying the ice for 40 years or so.

            Well then maybe that is the problem. He, like you, only watches contemporary ice fluctuations and has no clue what is really going on up there.

            Wadhams is just another denier of nature, and hater of poor brown people.

          • sunsettommy says:

            He has been wrong for years now!

            From No Tricks Zone


            Time’s up, so-called Professor Wadhams.

            “It is now exactly four years ago that you forecast the demise of Arctic sea ice this summer:

            One of the world’s leading ice experts has predicted the final collapse of Arctic sea ice in summer months within four years.”


            “Of course, this was not the first time you made a fool of yourself, was it? At various times in the last few years, you have issued many predictions of ice free Arctics by 2013, and then 2015.

            Even as recently as June this year, you were still forecasting:

            “The Arctic is on track to be free of sea ice this year or next for the first time in more than 100,000 years”


            Wadhams is a crappy scientist, since there are many published science papers saying little to NO Summer ice in the Arctic as recently as the the MWP. Which is only 1,000 years ago,NOT 100,000 years ago as lunatic incompetent Wadhams thinks.

          • sunsettommy says:

            Griff, he is an incompetant fool since he is continually stupidly wrong:

            “Wadhams is of course notorious for his failed predictions of Arctic ice disappearance.

            In the Telegraph in 2011 Wadhams declared that “It is really showing the fall-off in ice volume is so fast that it is going to bring us to zero very quickly. 2015 is a very serious prediction and I think I am pretty much persuaded that that’s when it will happen.” This was unchallenged by the journalist, showing that unquestioning promotion of climate hype crosses the political spectrum in the media.

            The BBC told us that Arctic summers would be ice-free by 2013, quoting both Wadhams and Maslowski.”

            His current prediction is THIS YEAR of no Summer ice. You want to stick with this idiot?

          • sunsettommy says:

            Here is his latest already going to be wrong Summer ice prediction:

            The Guardian

            ‘Next year or the year after, the Arctic will be free of ice’

            August 2016

            ” Ice-free means the central basin of the Arctic will be ice-free and I think that that is going to happen in summer 2017 or 2018.”

            Give it up Griff, he is a warmist loon.

          • AndyG55 says:

            “He’s only been studying the ice for 40 years or so.”

            And all he seems to have attained is brain freeze.

            His predictions are SO, SO WRONG and LUDICROIUS that he even has a unit of sea ice extent named after him

            1 Wadham = 1 million km²

            He is THAT MUCH OF A JOKE!!!

          • Latitude says:

            (as he’s going to be proved right at some point).
            He’s only been studying the ice for 40 years or so.
            Griff, you just said that after 40 years…
            …the man still has no clue

          • Lasse says:

            40 Years?
            It is enough with this season to prove him wrong.

          • richard verney says:

            He’s only been studying the ice for 40 years or so.

            What a waste of a life. 40 years of failure.

            …he’s going to be proved right at some point

            Whilst we are lucky to be living in the inter-glacial of the Holocene, it would be wrong to lose sight of the fact that the planet is presently in the midst of an ice age.

            No doubt Wadhams eventually will be proved right in the sense that the Arctic will become ice free, when the present ice age comes to an end, or if and when there is another inter-glacial in the present ice age.

            This will not be in his life time.

        • Colorado Wellington says:

          Tommy, being conned presumes innocent stupidity but the evidence here points to cynical complicity.

          Not that I argue against underlying stupidity.

      • richard verney says:


        You might like to read this NASA article on the effects of Arctic ice loss. It appears that the effect of loss of ice might not be as bad as Wadhams (and others) postulate. The NASA paper is titled; ARCTIC REFLECTION Clouds replace snow and ice as Solar Reflector.

        The paper observes:

        The study

        About two years ago, Kato began investigating whether, as climate scientists have long anticipated, the retreat of highly reflective snow and ice in the Arctic has already produced a measurable drop in the amount of sunlight the region reflects.

        The preliminary conclusion

        “If the sea ice shrinks,” says Kato, “intuitively we would think that more water is exposed to the atmosphere, and so more water vapor is available to the atmosphere to form clouds. So in addition to changing sea ice, we can kind of guess that something must be happening in the atmosphere over the Arctic, too.” Clouds are bright, too, and an increase in clouds could cancel out the impact of melting snow and ice on polar albedo.

        Whilst this study is in the preliminary stage, it appears that the albedo change brought about be reduced ice in the Arctic may well be offset by more clouds in the Arctic. Another one of many negative feedback loops at work, which negative feedback loops keep this planet’s climate stable within narrow bounds.

        • gator69 says:

          Why would Ms Griff be interested in this? It does not back her religious beliefs, and it does not endorse taking resources away from the starving. Ms Griff only likes alarmist propaganda, and she hates poor brown people.

  5. griff says:

    Complete nonsense.

    In fact it looks like the entrance to the northern route has more chance of opening up this year.

    …and do look at the circulation pattern showing the Beaufort gyre pulling the ice away from the coast in the Beaufort

    • gator69 says:

      Complete genocide.

    • AndyG55 says:

      “Complete nonsense.”

      Oh look… griff is now putting apt titles on his posts.

      Yes griff, we KNOW that everything your write is COMPLETE NONSENSE.

      Arctic sea is levels are WAY above the Holocene average.

      In FACT they are above what they have been for some 90-95% of the last 10,000 years.

      They used to fiosh, they use to travel and conduct commerce up there during the Medieval Warm Period.

      Not possible now except for a very small period each year.

      These EXTREME Arctic sea ice level they have experienced for the last 40 or so years , after the promise of more open sea, has been devastating for those trying to live up there.

      But you DON’T CARE about people and them trying to live, do you griff , you slimy anti-human slug.

    • AndyG55 says:

      Off you slither, little slug.

      Leave your fossil fuel heated inner city leftist ghetto basement, and go and sail the NW Passage, like Larsen did in 1944, and Amundsen did in 1903.

      And no satellite help to guide you.

      I dare you to actually put your yapping mouth somewhere other than around your foot.

      • Griff says:

        Larsen in 1944 had icebreaker accompaniment…

        Amundsen in his strengthened boat took 2 seasons.

        Now a cruise liner can sail through, or a standard yacht, with no need to use an icebreaker and find a completely ice free route.

        And is has been like that for nearly 10 years now…

        I wonder that you cannot see there is a major difference?

        • gator69 says:

          You have food, these children do not. I wonder that you cannot see there is a major difference?

        • Stewart Pid says:

          Griff and were you watching last year when the Crystal Serenity had to take the southern passage and avoid the blocked McClure Strait and the little dinky boat barely made it through. All aided by modern satellite info and forecasting and u are comparing to those that went by feel and fortune on their way through the northwest passage …. unbelievable. Don’t forget the St Roch that did the northwest passage also.

          • Griff says:

            I watched the photos posted online from that socking great cruise liner which did the passage last year, showing ice free water in front of it every day.

            That ice free passage did not happen in the 20th century – certainly not for 5 year plus successive periods.

          • Gator69 says:

            Ms Griff, you are exposing your leftist mental disorder. If you really care about human suffering, you will admit that spending money on a natural process that is not killing anyone goes against saving the lives about which you claim to care.

            You cannot eat your cake and have it too.

          • Stewart Pid says:

            Griff shocked that ice melts in the summer with 24 hours a day of sun… too stupid for words. Summer has always happened in the arctic, even during ice ages and it is proof of exactly nothing you moron!

        • Robert Austin says:

          Griff says,

          Larsen in 1944 had icebreaker accompaniment…

          That is pure BS, Griff. Larsen had no accompaniment whatsoever.

          • RAH says:

            Yep. It was an out and out lie.

            “Hull reinforced
            Compared to the powerful icebreakers which ply Northern waters today, the
            St. Roch was a frail and underpowered little ship. Built in 1928 in
            North Vancouver for the RCMP, it was
            a wooden vessel made from extra thick timbers of Douglas Fir and sheeted in
            Australian gumwood – meant to protect the hull against the grinding of the ice
            floes. The St. Roch was 140 ft. long with a beam of 25 ft. It was powered
            by a diesel engine and crewed by an average of only nine RCMP
            officers. “

          • Gator69 says:

            What?! A genocidal leftist that lies? How long has this been going on?

          • rw says:

            Tsk, tsk. And here I thought at least he got his facts straight.

            That’s very interesting – how to win arguments by pulling points out of thin air … For people of a certain ilk it seems to be part of their MO (or should I say DNA?).

          • AndyG55 says:

            griff exists on OUT and OUT LIES.

            Larsen DID NOT have an ice breaker accompaniment

            NO-ONE has followed the route Larsen took ever since , because it has not been possible.

            griff, you again prove that…


          • RAH says:

            BTW just think about the history. WW II was still going on. There were massive convoys taking war materials to the northern ports of Russia and sparing a precious ice breaker for a polar expedition at that time would have been pure insanity. BTW the Wind class, the largest class of icebreakers used during the war and afterwards, didn’t start coming into service until 1944.

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            “Tsk, tsk. And here I thought at least he got his facts straight.”

            Whatever you do, rw, don’t go to Canada. You have violated Ms Griff’s “gender expression”.

            Canadians Could Face Hate Crimes Over Using The Wrong Gender Pronouns

            Canada’s Senate passed Bill C-16, which puts “gender identity” and “gender expression” into both the country’s Human Rights Code, as well as the hate crime category of its Criminal Code by a vote of 67-11, according to LifeSiteNews. The bill now only needs royal assent from the House of Commons to pass into law.

            “Great news,” announced Justin Trudeau, Canada’s prime minister. “Bill C-16 has passed the Senate – making it illegal to discriminate based on gender identity or expression. #LoveisLove.”


        • AndyG55 says:

          “or a standard yacht”

          The NorthAbout was certainly not a standard yacht.

          Its hull was probably stronger and better designed for the task than Amundsen’s. It also had about 5 times the speed under motor, which they used to good effect as used satellite and drone navigation to find their way though the rapidly closing sea ice.

          Even so, they had to sneak round basically the most southerly route, avoiding those take by Amundsen and Larsen in 1903 and 1944.

          You really do have to try to get at least one fact correct once in your PATHETIC life, griff. !!

          You really are showing your ABSOLUTE IGNORANCE, as always.

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            Ms Griff should educate herself about “standard yachts” at the children’s website Wicked Weather Watch:

            Wicked Weather Watch (WWW) is a charity that aims to provide clarity for children and young people about climate change and global warming.

            We want children to have access to unbiased information and hope to bring the important issues to life for both children and their teachers. We will be sharing the personal experiences of Arctic explorers, such as David Hempleman-Adams (pictured right), looking at the latest science and information, and asking how climate change is affecting the people and wildlife of the Arctic and the rest of the world.


            Here is what all smart British children know:

            Northabout is a purpose-built polar exploration sailing yacht. She has already sailed both the Northeast and Northwest passages of the Arctic Ocean in different seasons. Last summer, to prepare for such a treacherous journey, Northabout sailed to the Svalbard Archipelago to see how both the yacht and crew coped with Arctic conditions and to prepare for the challenge ahead.

            How is Northabout specially designed for polar expeditions?

            * The boat is made from aluminium and has been reinforced so it can break through the ice. The bottom of the boat is especially strong.
            * The front of the boat (called the “bow”) has been shaped so it can ride up on the ice and break through it.
            * The propeller is protected in case it hits ice.
            * There is a retractable keel meaning that the yacht can have a more shallow draw and therefore get into some areas that could otherwise be inaccessible.

            All the gear!

            Northabout is equipped with all the kit you would expect (and some things you wouldn’t!) for an expedition to the Arctic. Some of the things you will find on board are:
            * An inflatable boat for exploring and reaching places that Northabout can’t get to
            * A probe in the water to measure temperature and the depth of the water
            * A generator and solar panels
            * Navigation equipment such as radar, cameras, a drone, charts and depth sounders.
            * Safety equipment including an 8-person life raft which will be strapped to the top of the boat, and a satellite phone so the boat can contact the coastguard if they get into trouble.
            * A water making machine that converts salt water to drinking water


        • AndyG55 says:

          So , it seems you are just going to keep up your meaningless LIES and YAPPING.

          YAP as much as you like from your fossil fuelled inner city ghetto basement.

          Too much of a COIWARD to leave your cosy warm slime-ridden den and actually put your money where your yapping comes from.

        • BruceC says:

          “Larsen in 1944 had icebreaker accompaniment…
          Amundsen in his strengthened boat took 2 seasons.”

          The RCMPV St. Roch was the first vessel to complete the Northwest Passage in one season (1944), also making it the first to use the more northerly, deeper route and to complete the Passage in both directions. It was also the first vessel to sail the Northwest Passage from west to east (1940 – 1942)

          Length: 31.8 m (104’3”) Beam: 7.5 m (24’7”) Draft: 3.25 m (10’8”) Tonnage: 196.5 t

          Hull: Douglas fir with Australian gumwood outer hull; rounded hull to allow ice to slide underneath; steel plate covering bow

          Power source: 150 hp Union diesel, 6 cylinder; schooner rigged.

          Go away Griff, you are making a fool of yourself.

        • BruceC says:

          BTW Griff, the 1944 journey only took 89 days.

  6. Lasse says:

    A basic video from 1988 showing the warming over Arctic as a result of thinner ice.
    The question is will water cool or warm as ice disappears?
    Hint: More heat goes up to the air from the water.

    • Griff says:

      “So what are these feedbacks, and how do they interact? The most basic stem from turning the Arctic Ocean from white to blue, which changes the region’s albedo — the amount of solar radiation reflected off a surface. Sea ice, in summer, reflects roughly 50 percent of incoming radiation back into space. Its replacement with open water — which reflects roughly 10 percent of incoming solar radiation — is causing a high albedo-driven warming across the Arctic.

      When covered almost entirely by ice in summer — which the Arctic was for tens of thousands of years — water temperatures there didn’t generally rise above freezing. Now, as the open Arctic Ocean absorbs huge amounts of solar radiation in summer, water temperatures are climbing by several degrees Fahrenheit, with some areas showing increases of 7 degrees F above the long-term average.

      Such changes mean that a system that was once a vast air conditioner has started to turn into a heater. Just how much extra heat are the dark waters of Arctic Ocean in summer adding to the planet? One recent study estimates that it’s equivalent to adding another 25 percent to global greenhouse emissions. ”

  7. RAH says:

    If a portion of what has been spent on mythical human caused climate change had instead been spent on the eradication of the vector and prevention and treatment of Malaria and other mosquito borne diseases such as dengue, West Nile virus, chikungunya, yellow fever,[1] filariasis, Japanese encephalitis, Saint Louis encephalitis, Western equine encephalitis, Eastern equine encephalitis, Venezuelan equine encephalitis, La Crosse encephalitis and Zika fever, mortality would be a tiny fraction of the 1 million that currently die from those diseases annually.

    Griff of course doesn’t care, even though I have pointed that out before.

    • Colorado Wellington says:

      Tru RAH, except I’ve been explained that killing these people off is not a bug but rather a feature of the environmentalist human stock management program.

      David Attenborough – Humans are plague on Earth

      The television presenter said that humans are threatening their own existence and that of other species by using up the world’s resources.

      He said the only way to save the planet from famine and species extinction is to limit human population growth.

      “We are a plague on the Earth. It’s coming home to roost over the next 50 years or so. It’s not just climate change; it’s sheer space, places to grow food for this enormous horde. Either we limit our population growth or the natural world will do it for us, and the natural world is doing it for us right now,” he told the Radio Times.

      Sir David, who is a patron of the Population Matters, has spoken out before about the “frightening explosion in human numbers” and the need for investment in sex education and other voluntary means of limiting population in developing countries.

      “We keep putting on programmes about famine in Ethiopia; that’s what’s happening. Too many people there. They can’t support themselves — and it’s not an inhuman thing to say. It’s the case. Until humanity manages to sort itself out and get a coordinated view about the planet it’s going to get worse and worse.”

    • Griff says:

      But I can care about that AND climate change.

      And there is some evidence some of those may get worse if global warming continues…

  8. Hum says:

    Griff what are you talking about “tens of thousands of years”? There is significant evidence this happens frequently. Look at newspaper reports from the 1930s and 40s. Look at archeological evidence from Greenland. Look at the evidence for many thousands of years from beachfronts, sediments and erosion. You sound like a scientific denier.

    • Colorado Wellington says:

      Ms Griff sounds like a science denier because, well, …


    • Griff says:

      If you look at the collected evidence for the 30s and 40s you will find that the lowest 20th century sea ice extent was GREATER than the lowest values seen since 2007.

      • Gator69 says:

        Even if true, so what? We are in an interglacial, and ice at the poles should be melting as a result. The longer the interglacial lasts, the less ice in the Arctic, and nobody dies.

        Why do you hate poor brown people Ms Griff?

      • sunsettommy says:

        There were no Summer ice just a thousand years ago:

        Kenneth Williamson (1975) Birds and Climatic Change, Bird Study,

        Between 1000 and 1300 average summer temperatures were about 1°C higher than today, with the mean annual temperature higher by perhaps 4°C in a largely ice-free Arctic. Eric the Red, a renowned world citizen of that time, has been much maligned as the first progressive publicity man for giving Greenland
        a false image in order to attract settlers; but in truth, the southwest of that vast country was warmer and greener by far than at any time until the Fieldfares Turdus pilaris arrived there in the mid-1930s. The sea-temperature of the Atlantic
        was higher than it has been since, and there appears to have been none or very little ice to hinder the Vikings’ communications between Iceland, Greenland, Newfoundland and Labrador (Mowat 1965). Indeed Brooks (1926) considers thatthe polar ice-cap may have disappeared entirely during the summer months, to build anew each winter.”

      • sunsettommy says:

        Griff,the 1980 Vinnikov et al paper, along with Satellite data from 1973 calls you a liar,

      • rw says:

        You must be talking about 2012 – fair enough, but I doubt that that’s as devastating a fact as you seem to think. After all, we’re 5 years out from that date, and the minimum extent hasn’t been close to that since.

      • AndyG55 says:

        You are an ignorant moron, griff.

        These levels are still VERY HIGH compared to the Holocene history.

        The ONLY time they have been higher was during the Little Ice Age. The late 1970’s was a peak up there with those EXTREMES.

        Current level is still way above what it has been for some 90-95% of the last 10,000 years.

  9. mwhite says:

    The Northwest Passage Project. There’s at least one every year, sooner or later they’ll come a cropper.

    • rw says:

      Now all we need is another Polar Challenge. And some hearties willing to try again to row their way through the Passage.

  10. David Jay says:

    I am wondering if the eastern approach to Cambridge bay will open this year, with all of the ice around King William Island.

  11. John F. Hultquist says:

    How many times is this sequence of comments going to be repeated?

    Why not read something new — from the 1970s.
    Historical Aspects of the Northern Canadian Treeline by Harvey Nichols.

  12. eliza says:

    For Griff and co Actually its time Mann et al and friends be brought to account for the damage they have caused humanity

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