Mark Serreze demonstrates a classic example of making up technical sounding gibberish to confuse laymen.
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Mann made global warming theory according to environmentalists: more snow and less snow, more sea ice and less sea ice, more rain and less rain, hotter temps and cooler temps, etc. – Must be nice to have a theory that can’t fail 🙂
quote: Mann made global warming … more snow and less snow, more sea ice and less sea ice, more rain and less rain, hotter temps and cooler temps
This is equivalent in my book, on the part of Serreze (rhymes with) of claiming monopole magnets exist and of course stands in stark contradiction to one of Maxwell’s (more) important Equations (IMO).
This also violates the definition of a ‘function’ (by mapping one x value to multiple y values):
a function is a set of ordered pairs in which no two ordered pairs that have the same first component have different second components. This means that given any x, there is only one y that can be paired with that x.
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Yes Jim, but your conclusion stands in stark contrast to Testiclees’ deviate to Fudd’s First Law: If you push something hard enough, it will fall down.
At this rate the Earth will be an Ice-Ball in 255 years… swallowed up by Antarctic Ice !!
Earth = 510 msqkm/2.12 msqkm each year = 255 years..
Oh the Horror !! Where are all the hysterics about this expanding Antarctic Ice!!
They’ve been there before in the 1970s… they’ll be there again when even the stupid can’t swallow their Global Warming bull!
It’s OK
We’ll need all that ice to cool off!
It’s going to be so damn hot by then!
Global warming actually could be true, it happens all the time for a short period (15-20 years) together with global cooling for the same period of time.
It is climate change that makes me laugh, for that requires a significant amount of movements of the continents, or a significant change of the position of the Earth’s imaginary axis. .
The real issue with all these whining about climate change is that it has become the religion of idiots and for that reason they do not listen to facts.
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I see what you did there. Very droll. I do agree with you. By redefining Man(n) Made Global Warming as…weather, one is certain to win the argument. Not long ago such an obvious fallacy would be laughed at but it’s a fundamentally transformed America in which we live. A much, much, warmer America in which record setting cold and ice can serve as “proof” that the earth is becoming dangerously hot…due to American energy use. As an aside, if anyone ever takes even a rudimentary class on “academic research” it will become immediately obvious that the system is rigged to produce the desired results. Example: The standards to which the “researchers” must adhere depend entirely upon their fields of endeavor. Thus, what would get one professor drummed out of the ranks in, say, engineering would be deemed perfectly acceptable in another field simply because “they all do that” (i.e. “tricks” to achieve desired results).
Day one, Statistics 101, Prof says, and I quote:
“Any set of numbers, under enough duress, can produce the results you desire.”
Truer words…
I learned it as “If you torture the numbers long enough, they will admit to anything”. Looks like we have a violation of the Geneva Convention here!
statistics: the science of torturing numbers
By duress if you mean false variables. The truth doesn’t require false variables. Don’t throw out the truth with the lies. Statistics ultimately reveal the truth.
“due to American energy use.” Your true goal is made perfectly clear here. The entire enviro-fascism movement is truly for one purpose and one alone; Stop American and Western European exceptionalism. Well Tony, I have news for you, We ARE exceptional. The men of the east made great strides in math and science, but they were unable to put them to a great purpose because their God and backward culture keep them down. Western Europe made the civilized world, and the civilized world will end when this culture does. That’s what this line of thinking is all about, whether you are indoctrinated to a high enough position in the movement to know this remains to be seen.
http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/30/noaa-quietly-reinstates-july-1936-as-the-hottest-month-on-record/
Fukushima radiation has contributed considerably to this heating – how come no one seems to talk about that much?
Yes it’s like flipping a coin and calling heads I win and tails you lose.
Theories that can’t fail are not theories, they are religion.
Yes I agree completely. As a Christian, I have an unshakable faith in Jesus Christ. Faith is the substance of things hoped for and evidence of things unseen. That simultaneously describes the Left and myself perfectly.
The difference is, the Left is trying to take us all to Hell in a Hand basket.Global Warming is but just one of their attempts at remolding our Country and society as we know it.
Faith and evidence are opposites and do not equal one another, Bill. Go ahead, look up the meanings in a dictionary.
These warmists are unbelievable. All phenomena points to Global Warming and they call it svience? Science’s job is to try to disprove theories with empirical observation and the like, NOT to scramble and reach for lame reasons why intuitively contradicting evidence is actually supportive of the favored theory.
The same scientists who now try to explain away yet another conflict between their lucrative AGW project and their predictions ( i.e. the melting icecaps they were predicting a couple of years ago) and doctored computer models.
How much longer will they continue this charade? Moreover, how much longer are we going to let them get away with this scam? Will we be able to wake up to reality before we all freeze to death or perish in a flood and/or drought resulting from runaway global warming.
I really cannot believe how many otherwise intelligent people still buy into this AGW religion preached by Reverend Gore, its limousine pastor.
renegade quark says:
“How much longer will they continue this charade?”
As long as the money holds out.
Best Description of the IPCC I have heard of to date !!
How 102 failed models determine policy but observations are ignored !!
Only pending disaster gets funding !!!!
Global Warming is real and it is man made!
Its Number two on the New York Times best seller list under “Fiction”
Dems made up the religion of global warming so they can PRETEND to be the savior of the planet. Just as the PRETEND to be the savior of the poor, the blacks, the gays, the unions etc.
It all sounds good from a teleprompter… but the end result is always worse. Poverty has skyrocketed under Obama (from 12 to 16%), as has the dropout rate. The price of gas has more than doubled under Obama as he used a spill and a hurricane to stop all new drilling on federal lands. WHY? To make the outrageously more expensive alternate energies slightly more palatable. Just as Carter did.
The AGW crowd believes that an atmospheric content of 0.0359% Carbon Dioxide has a magical impact on the earth’s climate.
I think the sun and it’s natural cycle and the earth’s rotational axis of 26,000 years (“precession”) have the largest impact on the earth’s climate.
Carbon Dioxide is a trace gas in the make up of the earth’s atmosphere with a level of 0.0359% Carbon Dioxide and has little or no affect on the climate.
Do not forget the wobble of the earth!
When you wobble, you change the angle of the sun hitting the earth. This changes the amount of energy on the surface.
The Climate on planet Earth has been changing every hour of every day for the last 4 and a half billion years. It appears that if you elect a Progressive Liberal to Office he will with his Progressive Faux science community make Global Climate change a permanent condition of the planet.
These so called scientists have changed their minds so many times and have been caught fibbing and manufacturing their data on more than 10 occasions now. That only the completely restarted 50 point IQ Knuckle Dragging, nose picking, Darwin candidate, grifter, Progressive Liberal would ever stake claim to such a preposterous foolish set of incoherent illogical poppy cock notions! See what our education system has turned into. Fools!
It isn’t a scientific theory. It is a religion.
I’ve gained 25 pounds – by global warming theorists standards – my diet is working and I’m rapidly losing weight!!!
They are great at telling tales!
Too cold, it must be global climate warming!
Can’t rationalize it, let’s call climate change!
The ice continues to increase, it’s due to warmer climate!
Tell us, who created the Ice Age?
gruvy baby I dig this can’t lose global warming gig man!!!!!
I say “Stop Global Whining”
Oh, I thought it was because of the fresh meltwater coming off the Antarctic glaciers being able to freeze more readily than sea water. ( according to the tree house kids over at SkS ).
Now we have this BS story of more ice because of Global Warming ®.
They must think we are all as gullible as that clown in the White House.
I’ve always maintained that that theory is garbage because if so we would have seen positive (oh sod the jargon) MORE sea ice around the southern coasts of greenland. I’m getting fed up with all the sophistry around global warming.
By the wy Keitho I wouldn’t put down Obama’s words and actions down to gullibility.
No Lawrence, I was wrong about the O Man. He is just using this little bit of nonsense to further his own ends. I am just getting heartily sick of of all of these palookas treating us like chumps.
The one encouraging phenomenon is that me and the missus don’t meet any folk who buy the alarmist claptrap. Young, old and in between all get that the AGW story is nonsense. The only place you will find true believers nowadays is on the blogs or left wing news outlets. Perhaps we are past peak alarmist.
“Peak snake-oil!”
So Serreze believes that warm water from the seas around Antarctica is migrating to the equator leaving in it’s place very cold water – and that’s why we have record amounts of sea ice. I’m left wondering what exactly is heating the water in the seas around Antarctica – it can’t be the sun – it’s dark or almost dark 24 hours a day down there at the moment. Whatever he believes is warming the sea doesn’t seem to affect the land with temperatures down to -72 C.
This guy makes Hank Johnson look like a Nobel science prize contender !
What happens if the warmer waters meet the missing heat already going via a traffic climate cone diversion; into the oceans
The antarctic has an average temperature of -36*. If the earth warms one degree, that means the temp there could rises to an astronomical -35*. No chance of the ice cap melting. Not even during the ‘heat wave’ of 1974 when the temperature hit a record high of 15*. But hey, Al Gore has made billions on his carbon credits while convincing the world to ride a bicycle to work. If he really believed this bunk he would not have seven homes and fly by private jet. Never seen him on a bike………
Oh yeah? Just wait until Antarctica tips over:)
My guess is that the sun, which is responsible for 100% of the warmth on the planet, is somehow responsible for the fluctuations of that warmth.
The sun is not accountable for 100% of our heat energy. You missed geothermal (pressure.)
See…what happens is what happens…is this…is what happens… What a babbling idiot. The ignorance of the “experts”…oh, what a giveaway!
basically, that happens.
If all the “Experts” were laid end to end, that would be a good thing. Of course, that might create climate change. Has anyone noticed that weather conditions are ever changing and unpredictable over a few days.
My God, a hockey stick graph. Michael Mann would be proud…….oh, wait….. there seems to be some mistake here……..
“I don’t have data on that”
Best part of the interview right there.
Most truthful part of the interview.
just make some up. the media will believe you
Filed under Exhibit A, Goddard’s Law.
On a hunch, I decided to run his gibberish through Google Translate. English -> Japanese -> Lithuanian -> Back to English. The result makes a little bit more sense:
When we talk about water than from 60 degrees south to the south, they call roaring quite strong, the main things that the zonal wind band somewhat stable in Antarctica you, this thing called the 40’s you have around is the Coriolis force when you turn things around to the left. Water at high latitudes, what happens is what happens to heat the water, are the surface, we must determine the type of Ekman drift, the water from the large southern latitudes of the equatorial high respect that is that.
What happens to the water at low southern latitudes sinks and all the circulating loop backflow out there that if you are so that the bottom of the upwelling of cold water, what happens to the same amount of high-latitude mass needed to establish the continuity that you can occur.
This is, in fact, and you can heat the water to the surface in the Arctic is what happens, and that it will not be shipping it. It stays there, it helps to melt more ice in Antarctica but the water carried away.
Hilarious.
You should send this to Nature, I’m sure it would sail through pal review and be fast tracked for publication. It certainly makes more sense than some of the fantasy drivel pouring forth from the Climastrology cult members.
“Climastrology”–First time I’ve heard that. Brilliant!
Isn’t it comforting to know that “Google Translate” is just another “Computer Model Algorithm”.
It sure reinforces that confidence in climate modeling… NOT !
Very well done, Shanna !
The Google translate algorithm is working as designed..
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/07/01/ncdc-our-algorithm-is-working-as-designed/
“Google Translate” only needs some data input adjustments and homogenization…
That should fix it !!
Capeesh?
Transliberal Gibberal Confibbing Improbbibical Scientifimal!
Terrific post! Cheers…
More AGW rubbish from another government-funded climatology hack. Do charlatans like Serreze realize what fools they look like? Is there any nonsense they won’t spew in their defense of the discredited global warming hypothesis?
Serreze and his fellow scientists-turned-cultists should have been given the boot long ago for scientific malfeasance. The damage they’ve done to science is incalculable. Tarot Card readers have more credibility.
The colder SST anomalies in Antarctica are not only allowing a continuous expansion of the ice but also affecting (cooling) the ocean at lower latitudes, see, for example, what happened with the (failed) El Nino in 2012 and is happening again this year. The colder part of the ocean in the SH is in the direction of the Weddell Sea, which is increasingly affecting the anomalies of the entire Atlantic, especially after 2011.
The only thing Serreze said that makes sense is that the anomalies from Antarctica are propagating to lower latitudes, he only *changed the sign* of the anomalies!.
Let’s see if this gets past moderation:
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July 2, 2014 at 8:38 am
It’s simple. The water at the surface is warmer so it gets swept to the equator by the coriolis effect, to be replaced by upwelling colder water. Now you have colder water at the surface so whatever I said in the first sentence doesn’t apply anymore. Never mind.
If this idiotic babbling were true, wouldn’t Antarctic ice grow even more during the Antarctic warm season? The water would get warmed that much more, creating that much more updwelling and circulation – resulting in that much more ice formation.
The conveyor belt of BS
+1
Do you guys realize it’s the exact same explanation they gave when Antarctic ice was decreasing?
…only in reverse
nice spot !
Perhaps a question to ask them is , if the sea ice was declining in the Antarctic would that mean that global warming was not happening.
Bingo!
When I was a kid we used to say someone using this type of bullshit comment like Serreze has used was ‘blinding us with science’. How counter-intuitively apt. He is of course talking complete balderdash, and he knows it.
The Southern Hemisphere ocean water temperatures are not averaging significantly above normal. So where is all the warm water coming from?
Lower Manhattan gets a reprieve — The Antarctic ice sheet alone contains approximately 61 percent of all fresh water on the earth. Regardless of cause/effect of growing Antarctic sea ice, we all agree that Antarctic sea ice is increasing. Therefore, we no longer need worry about runaway rising sea levels?!?
melting sea ice does not contribute to sea level rising any more than a melting ice cube creates a rise in the liquid in your ice tea. however, melting glaciers, which are frozen lakes on land, do contribute to the rise in sea level as they melt and slide into the sea.
Well, this is the same week the typical warning that the penguins in Antarctica are doomed due to NO ICE… 🙂 They should be celebrating record ice and saying Penguins are saved!
I’m curios to know how much grant money he receives and from which government(s)? Also, does the grant money come with the results the government(s) wish to prove?
Did he mention that the University of Texas recently completed a study that determined receding glacial ice is attributed to geothermal activity?
I just love how during this extremely excessive heat wave that is facing the earth ice seems to still form.
If it gets any warmer the planet will become a big snow ball.
Why oh why, can’t I ‘like’ comments???? I wish I had a ‘love’ button to hit. Thank you.
well if this is true then the ocean level is not rising it is getting lower! doesn’t matter this is political now, real science left the building 20 years ago!
So what have we learned? We have learned that heat doesn’t melt ice because everyone has been telling us that the earth is getting warmer yet the ice sheet is expanding. If it keeps on getting warmer we will all freeze to death. Now we have the scientific community to distrust along with so many others that we use to hold in high regard.
you foolish scientist. I created the Heavens, the Earth and the Seas. I control the weather. Love GOD.
NASA is currently searching for an expert in climate control to fill vacant position…http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/75500/Last-Supper-Painting-with-Missing-Jesus-75761.jpg
As a layman I must say that this news is good for us “non believers” it will eventually hurt us in the end. 2 years from now if the Antarctic isn’t as large or larger than it is today the “truthers” will be screaming the sky is falling again.
The Jurassic period. O2 in atmosphere 130% modern levels. CO2 is 1950ppm, 5-7 times modern levels. Temperature a WHOLE 3 DEGREES C over modern times – Oh noes!! The Jurassic DGW, Dinsaurogenic Global Warming, shows that those Dinosaurs with their Airplanes and Cars and stuff, you know, those Dinosaurs and their DGW destroyed THE WHOLE PLANET!! With their DGW! Look, who wants 26% atmospheric oxygen? More air to breathe? Who wants that! And who wants more CO2 @1950 ppm, you know, to make all those plants and trees convert that CO2 into a higher O2! Who wants that! And we DON’T want the massive biodiversity of the Jurassic, no, we don’t want more plants and animals and trees, no.
Any time period they want to “prove” this they just cherry pick ranges. And they have the perfect example, the Dinosaurs and their horrible DGW, Disnosauric Global Warming, destroyed the Jurassic – wait, no , it didn’t, it was the best time for life on earth with 1950 ppm CO2!
The Cult of the Church of Climatology must spin the massive icepack as AGW. They will find a way.
This global warming guy, mark Sneezy gives me chills. I can’t believe he is on anyone’s payroll.
Twist yourself in a pretzel much.
Global warming Rabbi
The more we learn, the bigger the HOAX.
Global warming ( climate change) are pushed by two very powerful institutions. 1. the banksters who desperately want a carbon market to steal more money while your energy costs go up 2. government grants which are most likely influenced by the banister lobby.
This is article provides another great example of why the global warming movement is a religion (or cult if you prefer), and not science-based at all. In the article Mr. Serreze seemingly has an answer for everything–after the fact. However, his “science” is unable to accurately forecast future developments. Neither are his theories amenable to scientific testing for reliability. The theory does not hold up to scrutiny and yet adherents blindly believe and chastise non-believers–also scornfully referred to as “deniers.” Oh, my! By definition, man-made ‘global warming’ and ‘climate change’ are faith-based religions.
“They’re trying to kill me,” Yossarian told him calmly.
No one’s trying to kill you,” Clevinger cried.
Then why are they shooting at me?” Yossarian asked.
They’re shooting at everyone,” Clevinger answered. “They’re trying to kill everyone.”
“And what difference does that make?”
? Joseph Heller, Catch-22
I guess using this logic Isaac newton’s apple actually fell up so the new up is the old down or is the old down the new up.
i would be interested in a discussion about what impact this does, or does not have, on the current trend of antarctic glacial calving
What happened to the scientific process? Are they not supposed to be proving their theory correct by being unable to prove it wrong? Isn’t this supposed to keep them from setting up tests and statistics that inaccurately “prove” that the theory is correct? Isn’t this process to keep them honest? It seems to me that they are to busy trying to prove their own theories correct they lost track of the process and how it works to keep them honest. They should know that we can see through it. How many times do they need to be proven wrong for them to admit they are wrong!!!
Steve Goddar is a Koch shill. Don’t believe a word this monster says.
I haven’t received a penny from the Koch Brothers, but they do fund famous alarmist Richard Muller.
Do you normally make accusations about people and topics you know nothing about?
Did anyone bother to measure the pool level in Dec 2007 or at this writing? Or compare that to the pool at a low Ice-sheet period? Cause I thought the ocean rise would have sunk a few Islands and Port-cities by now… But wait, if frozen water displaces water… Might the sea-level remain, as it claims… level?
And should all the glaciers melt, flowing to the sea and it were warmer… would there not be more water vapor, which might keep the sea level “Level” and shade the earth thus cooling it some?
Political / Science seems to be about funding and scaring… Swine Flu, Bird Flu, Phlegm Flam… and head lice on detained immigrant children (kept under wraps)
Silly stuff for sure!
I have to wonder with an answer like that …. What does he really do all day
This story has to be wrong. Obama, Reid, Pelosi, and Kerry have all told us that global warming is real and the ice caps were melting and the rising seas would kill us all. We know they would NEVER lie to us. (Please note the sarcasm)
Headline “Earth swallowed up by thick Antarctic Ice in just 255 years say Scientists”
… Using Huff Po and Alarmist style approved charting/statistics we have an additional 2.12million km of ice in just the past 2 years… if we straight-line this trend.. in just 255 years the entire 510 million sq km of Earth will be a giant Ice-Ball !!
When and if man reaches the point of being able to control the gross factors involved in climate change, the rotation and angle of the earth in its orbit, the sun’s solar flares, volcanic activity, earth impacts from spacial bodies, the shifts of the jet stream, and other external factors, I will accept the hypothesis of manmade global warming being elevated to a theory, but as an axiomatic fact? It isn’t even close to being a reality.
I guess the global warming is also the reason that there is still ice on Lake Superior
I sure miss Abbott and Costello. They would’ve had a field day with global warming.
Mass is not extent. I’d love to know what the mass of the ice is and how today’s data point compares to previous years and decades.
The polar bears celebrating by passing out candy and burning an effigy of Al Gore
I hate it when I read that “all time” records were broken……..because we don’t really know what happened in 258 BC……..which I’m told was a very cold year………how about “recorded” history?? It makes the statement a little more accurate and not written by arm chair scientists……….
More sea ice. Damn that global warming.
NEVER expect a democrat to tell the truth.
The Lysenkoists care little about facts. It’s all about the agenda to them.
Poor “global warmies” were dealt two blows this week when NOAA finally admitted 1936 was warmest year on record!! Of course the Obama news agencies won’t say a peep about it!!
Ok, I believe…bummer!
What a load of crap. That piece made zero sense.
Idiot liberal scum. Go and drink a little more of the Obama kool-aid.
By a Prof of Geography; don’t expect a lot of ‘science’ …
Easy, don’t stoop to their level.
You must have forgot how to spell marxist, leadwad is just another marxist tool promoting the u.n. agenda 21, the destruction of humankind, he must think he is on the shortlist to survive their intent.
I’m going to love….watching you sit on a Volcano and then tell everyone what a bunch of bunk!
Did all those words strung together to form sentences, then paragraphs, throw you? Put on your Birkenstocks, saddle the unicorn and go take a look for yourself.
Well Duh! Makes total sense…. Because the Globe is warming so radically fast it’s causing ice to expand & actually increase!
That’s good.
The marxist whine if there is less ice, then too much ice, it all fits in with their plan to wipe out humankind. The key is to find out who is in charge of this and let them be the first to go. let them and their families set the example.
This was an excellent, fact filled science site, until Drudge posted it. Now hit-and-run trolls like Ldedwards take their ignorant pot shots and run away…
This is actually a good article. Global warming Believers don’t like it when the public is informed of facts. Polar ice is increasing. How does “global warming” explain that??
Ugh. Well, I got here from Drudge and I liked the article. Unfortunately, you clearly have no comprehension at all of what was discussed since he laid out very clearly his opinion about why ANTARCTIC ice is increasing due to global warming while ARCTIC ice is decreasing (polar ice? You do know that there are 2 different poles, right?). Just funny that you think it’s a “good” article without even understanding it, while trashing Drudge readers.
The only problem is Arctic ice is ALSO increasing.It is also now public knowledge that the earth has been cooling for the last 15 years or so and the warming numbers were made up. Any unbiased look at the actual figures shows global warming is a hoax. The Great Lakes just froze 100% for the first time in decades. They still have ice in shipping lanes as late as June.
I’ve been here before, but today arrived through a Drudge link. To take the concept of comprehension a step further, please note that the knowledge of two poles should also include awareness that seasons are opposite at the two poles. It stands to reason that Artic ice would be decreasing while Antarctic ice would be increasing since it is winter at the south pole and summer at the north pole. The point of the article is that the amount of winter ice at the south pole is at record levels. There has always been interaction between north and south weather patterns because of the seasonal differences. That’s just normal. The rabbit has always been in the hat; just because a global warming prophet brings it out doesn’t make it magic.
Anomalies
I’m sure glad you threw in “his opinion”
These guys must have missed their high school level science classes. It is largely the fact that we have the SUN acting on a gaseous atmosphere containing vast amounts of water vapor that creates the NECESSARY “greenhouse effect” which allows life to proceed as it does on this planet. What the hell does CO2 have to do with it? It only comprises, on average, 0.0165 per cent of the gas in our atmosphere. In a pie graph, on an 8.5 X 11 inch piece of paper, you don’t own a pencil thin enough to record it. The unicorn must have punched someone through the brain pan.
My figures are for .04 carbon dioxide, but I get your point. We would need up to 30 percent carbon dioxide to create a “greenhouse effect”. Nothing we do as humans has any effect on the Earth as a whole when it comes to CO2. So we can start breathing again and exhale some carbon dioxide with a clear conscience.
Just a good thing that they changed the name to Climate Change, instead of Global Warming,,,,, HUH? Did you hear the other day that the “National “(so-called) Weather Scientists got it all wrong when 1012 was announced the hottest year on record? Then it was corrected to 1934 ????? Quietly,,,,,, I might add.
2012
Then perhaps you need to be changed?
Melting glaciers lower the salinity of the water thus causing it to freeze more readily. This is the AGW fascist’s explanation of the record sea ice. Just can’t make this stuff up. Well… yes they can!
Are you saying that the water that melted from the ice re-froze but became bigger than before?
They do realise it’s winter down there?
yeah? what difference does that make? The ice cap is still at record levels compared to ANYTIME of year…ANY YEAR.
Umm, yeah, they do realize it. That doesnt change the fact that it is a RECORD amount of ice over all previous winters. That’s what “all time record” means. Reading for comprehension.
So, if it’s less ice it’s man-made global warming. If it’s more ice it’s man-made global warming. How convenient.
HAHA! Exactly.
People that believe Gore, Obama and John Kerry. You know….Super Geniuses
Gore did invent the internet after all. 😛
Uhh it has to snow for the ice to build up, So how does the salinity of the water come into play?
The funny thing here is that the weather channel showed a one hour program on how co2 was rising up from the sea beds in the tropical waters to help develop the salinity of the sea. No problem there apparently. The data is deliberately confusing and one has to wonder why? Most scientist agree that there is no warming trend that is measurable beyond the norm at this time.
It’s like the hockey-stick graph of sea ice, only less ironic than the fraudulent one.
Could too much sea ice in the Antarctic make the earth fall off it’s axis, and send us into a terminal condition where we cannot grow food?
The theory is called Global Crustal Displacement, and even Einstein said it was a plausible theory. Unfortunately, the science of global warming is settled, so we have to listen to the masters and pay our carbon tax, or we’ll destroy the planet.
Yes it could but you will probably be killed in a unicorn stampede before that happens.
Dude, I laughed so hard at this reply. I love the Internet.
LOL!!!!!
The unicorns have all died off due to global warming
Not all the unicorns have died. I have one in my UFO ark. I’m ready to go, people.
Ever read the HAB theory ?
now you done it.
Science requires that you examine the facts and draw a logical conclusion. Politics do just the inverse – decide on your conclusion and then twist the facts to fit your desired outcome – it is amazing that so many political beasts are pretending to be scientists – especially in the climate arena – using the scientific method you can only conclude that Mark Serreze, director of the National Snow and Ice Data Center, is NOT a scientist but a politician and should be fired immediately
100% correct!
Libs play a few games on Lumosity and think they are scientists.
now that was funny!
Let’s just continue to live as we all see fit until we die off. We are NOT that special. If we kill our planet, so be it. This human existence has been a semi-failure
Thank you for really laying out the agenda. This isnt about global warming or climate change or “carbon”… it is all about controlling people’s behavior via crisis.
Your view seems right to me
Funding. It’s all about funding. Follow the funding, and you will find the truth.
What would the grant $$$ do if they reported, “Everything is OK, it’s all cyclical!”?
Of COURSE they will claim the sky is falling!
Well Said Larry. Seems ”Political Science” has taken on a new meaning.
Liberals and science and natural enemies
SO this guy can point us to the scientifically proved association between air circulation and Global Warming? Riiiight.
Precession of the equinox, changes in the jet stream and changes in the sea currents do both cause and impact climate changes, idiot.
Silence! I wont tolerate your insolence, these are “experts” you are talking about.
Yeah! The science is setled!
Yeah, we could only wish that pack of government funded fools were just “has-been political drips under pressure”…
Ex-Spurts….
If they’re fools and a pack of “government funded fools” at that, why do you insinuate that they manipulate scientific data. (sarcasm) I have no interest in politics, sorry Byeee
Love comes in (ex-)spurts H/T to Richard Hell & the Voidoids
Wow…you were actually serious with this comment? You need to puff puff pass… Don’t hog the bong all to yourself…
Expert, X = (the UN-known) + spurt (a drip under pressure) = expert
Its all due to global warming so the government is going to have to take over your lives…turn in your guns and property deeds and get in line for government assistance ….that’s all folks
What a load of horse @h!7 that is! First we get told that sea ice is disappearing from both poles dues to glowBULL warming. Now we’re told that it is increasing due to glowBULL warming!
Tell this simp and the rest to make up their minds!
Yea, if we listened to all their dire warnings from several years ago, all the ice would have been gone by now. It’s amazing how they can modify and mold their “finalized science” to fit the reality when it doesn’t match their “final science” models. Al Gore has proven that everything that happens on earth is because of Mann made GW.
Were it not for the hanging chads, Algore could have been your feared leader.
We all know Al Gore is a scientific genius and inventor of the internet. He knows everything there is to know about GW. He takes his solar powered jet around the world, collects data and analyzes it on his Radio Shack TRS 80.
It could be -20 all over the world and it would still be blamed on CO2… If not CO2 then it would be blamed on something else. Sick to death of these ass hats in government and or on the government dole. They won’t stop until they have completely emaciated our ability to produce a living to such a point we go bankrupt. And then they can start culling the herds when the protests become violent.
So if we take his logic out, if the earth “Really” heats up, the whole ocean will be frozen. Also, since this guy seems to be a Global Warmer, is his figures bogus like all their other figures?
Increased sea ice may be causing the earth’s gravity to be getting stronger. I weighed myself before the ice formed and now I weigh 7 pounds more.
Cellulite vs Increased sea ice and earth’s gravity getting stronger… lex parsimoniae.
So that explains why I’m getting fatter. Global man made warming is the reason for my obesity. Great……… pass the gravy please.
Gordon Fulks: Climate Orthodoxy Perpetuates a Hoax
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8kdX77okkw
31,487 American scientists have signed this petition,
including 9,029 with PhDs
http://www.petitionproject.org/index.php
Gordon J. Fulks, PhD
February 14, 2014 at 7:56 pm
While I do not normally respond to personal political attacks from the uneducated and the anonymous, this is sooo typical of those who have no understanding of science that it deserves a reply.
First of all, bad behavior is not the way science works. When I talked with my fellow astrophysicist, the great Global Warming Guru James Hansen, we found much in common. For instance, we agree that using ethanol as a motor fuel is a total waste. Hansen also supports nuclear power, as I do. And Hansen and I agree about Milankovitch cycles as a major climate driver. While we disagree about carbon dioxide, we know how to carry on a constructive conversation with fellow scientists.
Second, unlike most who promote the hysteria, I have no conflicts in this matter. It is amazing to be slandered time and again.
It is also standard nonsense to assert that there are very few skeptics, and we have no expertise. While this person seems willing to admit that there are “hundreds” of scientists who oppose climate hysteria, that should really be tens of thousands who have actually spoken out:
http://www.petitionproject.org/index.php
Note the signature of the legendary physicist, Edward Teller, PhD. Of the 31,487 American scientists who signed the petition 9,029 of us have PhDs.
In the Open Letter to President Obama that more than a hundred of us signed, many were prominent:
Yun Akusofu, Ph.D University Of Alaska
Robert M. Carter, PhD James Cook University
Roger Cohen, Ph.D Fellow, American Physical Society
David Douglas, PhD University of Rochester
Michael Fox, PhD American Nuclear Society
Gerhard Gerlich, PhD Technische Universitat Braunschweig
Ivar Giaever, PhD Nobel Laureate, Physics
Will Happer, PhD Princeton University
Kiminori Itoh, PhD Yokohama National University
Madhav Khandekar, PhD Former Editor, Climate Research
Richard Lindzen, PhD Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Horst Malberg, Ph.D Free University of Berlin
Ross McKitrick, PhD University of Guelph
Patrick J. Michaels, PhD University of Virginia
Niels-Axel Morner, PhD Stockholm University
Roy N. Spencer, PhD University of Alabama, Huntsville
Antonio Zichichi, PhD President, World Federation Scientists
The text of the letter and the full list of signers are available here:
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/9764
Note how the obvious expertise shown by this group far, far exceeds that of the website Mr. Anonymous uses for his talking points. They do not have any PhDs with relevant experience.
Gordon J. Fulks, PhD (Physics)
Corbett, Oregon USA
ED NOTE- a.k.a Mr Anonymous- this site does not attempt to supplement Climate Science research, there are plenty of very good web sites addressing this need- Those who deny the science of AGW will quote many [including scientists who are part of the consensus who are also included]- this site is database of links/ statements and CVs- all of which is publicly available and often in the subjects own words. If there are correction that need to be made please post your concern and they will be updated.
Thanks for the embedding the vid, Brad.
Yeah, but how many illegal aliens signed your letter to Obama?
Um, so is the sky falling or not?
And if your job depended on your answer being “yes”; would you then find a way to answer “yes”?
And if maybe your job didn’t depend on your answer being “yes”, but a whole bunch of your peers were answering “yes” because their jobs depended on it; would you then find a way to answer “yes”?
And if maybe none of the jobs of you and your peers depended on your answers being “yes”, but your and their political beliefs were better served by a “yes” answer; would you then find a way to answer “yes”?
(I think Climate Change being influenced by mankind is as natural and inevitable as the path of the stars across the heavens)(I don’t really see a downside in warmer winters, more water, and longer growing seasons)(I wish all the fearmongers would just shut up)
Further “Proof” of Global Change Disruption Warming Climate….You libs do know that the weather has always changed right?
https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GFRE_enUS327US327&q=climate+definition
You still don’t know how ‘stoopid’ you sound, do you?
Did he say Morgan Fairchild.. whom I’ve slept with.
Did she-her poster- become wrinkled? Or was this the inflatable?
This idiot should be working a paper route. He is not a scientist. I thought it was called climate change? Get your propaganda straight, moron.
Remember folks, everyone if these so-called scientists are following the brilliance of a D-F student named Al Gore–who owned a home in TN that burned more CO2 than MT ST Helens in a single year.
I am afraid the added ice will cause the earth to turn over and we will fall off into outer space and have to live with a bunch of liberal kool aid drinkers.
Mark Serreze is one of those old bald-headed guys with a pony tail.
That tells you everything you need to know.
Maybe when there is an ice bridge from Antarctica to South America, the hoaxers will finally fold their tents and go home (only to emerge 10 years later with a new scam.)
Antarctic has had record snow falls the past several years and a growing ice sheet so yes the continent is going to cave more sea ice it has much more to shed than in recent history. And to think ice sheets can grow while we Experience global warming / no climate change and all the while no significant rise in temprature. If this is science there must be ET’s because there is no way scientist created the A bomb or got us to the moon. These scientist are more akin to medicine men the honest explores in lab coats. I used to want to be a scientist, glad I didn’t go there I wouldn’t have made it as a lap dog.
Accept. Submit. Obey. Feel the Love of Big Brother.
Re: OB Reid (Jul 3 04:45), And since you can’t spell for ****, it’s a good thing you were never in a position to write computer code. It punishes such sloppiness, severely.
So the fix is? Oh that’s right there really is no fix.
It’s kind of like the war on terror, constantly evolving and never ending.
Climate Change is not science. It’s religion.
Spot on, it’s the alter of liberalism.
Owl Gore the high priest of global warming.
Really? We have a “National Snow and Ice Data Center”… For what purpose was it created? And why would the “director” of said center claim the second all-time record maximum that is more than 2,000,000 square kilometers ABOVE NORMAL be “specifically due to global warming”? I think it’s global bovine excrement. [Not to be confused with bovine flatulence.]
What about the “hockey stick” graph of sea ice? If we are really warming and the oceans are going to spill over the Sierras, then why has the sea ice been growing steadily for three years? Will it suddenly explode on us?
So much balderdash from wanna be scientists of pseudo national centers of junk science. Guess I’ll sleep better tonight knowing I won’t wake up with the sea at my doorstep. [This is somewhat humorous, at least for someone who spent about 20 years reading the raw numbers that translated into real weather forecasts, but I digress…]
not mine but i luv:
Globull Warming…..oops..I mean Climate Change oops I mean
Climate Disruption is responsible for:
Rising sea levels
Falling sea levels
Rising temperatures
Cooling temperatures
Decreased sea ice
Increased sea ice
More hurricanes
Less hurricanes
Increase in severe storms
Decrease in severe storms
And most importantly- male pattern baldness and impotency!
It’s really quite simple. Global warming causes less/more ice, warmer/cooler temperatures, more/less natural disasters. Simple thoughts for simple minds, Too bad the simple minded hold the reins of power.
This moron is what passes for intellect now? Fall in line with the government created hoax and Algores wet dream and everything you allow to escape from your mouth is genius? Get REAL…this clown is just another government job parasite protecting his funding!!
We have all the junk science we need to compel you to pay the man made global warming/ climate change tax. So just sit back, relax and prepare to be bled dry.
It is simple: If you love Obama then you think the earth will burn up.
I amM white and even I think your a racist
What does the belief or none belief have to so with race. There is at least one of you race baiters on every site.
-New York Times, 02-24-1895: “Geologists Think the World May be Frozen Up Again.”
-Los Angeles Times10-02-1912: “Human race will have to fight for its existence against cold.”
-Chicago Tribune, 08-9-1923: “Scientist Says Arctic Ice Will Wipe Out Canada.” The article quoted a Yale University professor who predicted that large parts of Europe and Asia would be “wiped out” and Switzerland would be “entirely obliterated.”
-Washington Post 08-10-1923: “Ice Age Coming Here.”
-4/28/75 Newsweek The Cooling World: “There are ominous signs that the Earth’s weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production – with serious political implications for just about every nation on Earth.”
‘When Hell freezes over ‘, is happening in my lifetime.
Don’t forget, in Antarctica, July 2010 was the coldest temperature ever recorded on the face of the earth.
Yeah! Ok! wheres that bridge in Brooklynn you wanna sell?
Mark Serreze, et al must have missed the recent report about underwater volcanic activity being the root cause of warm waters underneath Antarctica.
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/8278/20140610/underwater-volcanoes-climate-change-reason-melting-west-antarctic-ice.htm
Underwater volcanoes, not climate change, reason behind melting of West Antarctic Ice Sheet
“They found liquid water was present in a greater number of sources than previously believed, and it is warmer than estimated in previous studies. ”
“It’s the most complex thermal environment you might imagine. And then you plop the most critical, dynamically unstable ice sheet on planet Earth in the middle of this thing, and then you try to model it. It’s virtually impossible,” Don Blankenship, senior research scientist at the University of Texas, said. “
How do you know what can and cant be done! You know some one we others don’t?
It’s important to continually monitor the total ice volume in Antartica. Usually a spike in Antarctic ice volume is followed by a drop. This is a fact. Doesn’t matter what humans do. It will go up further and then drop. Then, it will go up again and drop again. It’s a cycle. It doesn’t matter how many well intentioned people on the planet try to stop. You can’t.
JULY 1936 REESTABLISHED AS THE HOTTEST MONTH ON RECORDS
It happened very, very quietly. It happened without any fanfare whatsoever. It happened in the dead of night under the cover of darkness. It happened without a single word being mentioned. It had to be discovered. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration “has now been caught warming the past and cooling the present.”
The ice is melting: Global warming. The ice is increasing: Global warming. Global warming is a farce intended to extort more money and give it to liberal friendly bogus green energy people. Wake the f’ up, everyone.
Yeh and money is the figment of a banks imagination!
Its my understanding that C/C isn’t measure by yearly extremes but sub-surface factors that effect long running climate patterns. What say you Swam-me?
Everyone, every single one of you, is missing the basic, scientifically-proven, undeniable fact about global warming: Bush did it!
Ski South Pole: 6 inches powder, 9000 foot base!
Accept. Submit. Obey. Feel the Love of Big Brother.
In other words, global warming heated the surface waters and it naturally drifted towards the equator, inhibiting the rate of ice loss at the poles leading to record levels of ice formation. That’s the story and he’s sticking to it.
Interesting how the Deniers all say the same thing, “I don’t understand the science; therefore, the science is wrong.”
Have Americans always criticized things they don’t understand or is this a new trend?
Dr Canuck, admit Canada saw record cold this year and then you can pipe up, with American Deniers veiled attempt at insult. The fact that eco cool aid drinkers were stuck in that same new sea ice in summer more or less disproves any rationalization you tied to make.
Add this fact, and the NOAA climate studies faux data fiasco you’ll get a great idea of how biased data is used. The political mantra must be maintained in order to keep funding. Deny climate change and a researcher is in the unemployment line.
Next week, some scientist, who first had to stock up in Colorado will predict Bikini weather in this place.
There are three primary factors to climate change. They are solar, planetary and orbital dynamics. The sun warms and cools due to its physical make up, the earth’s axis tilts to and fro in its rotation and its orbit varies over time to increase and decrease its distance from the sun. That’s it. From asteroid impacts and dinosaur methane emissions to carbon from fires, all are window dressing or natural disaster. It makes no sense whatever to blame mankind for climate change when the geological record makes it fairly clear that our planet has been both far warmer and far colder than at any time during human civilization let alone the industrial era. How is one to explain the total ice coverage some quarter of a billion years ago or the era of the dinosaurs that began far warmer than it ended some sixty million or so years ago? Mankind certainly did not freeze the planet since even our remotest ancestral mammal didn’t exist at the time and we equally certainly did not attract the various killer asteroids that have wrought temporary havoc with the earth’s climate. I could go on but those of you who agree will be bored and those of you who don’t most likely won’t. One might wish that some of you will actually investigate the records and the various models and perhaps come to your own conclusions. Good hunting.
If it gets any warmer, we are all going to freeze to death. Got it.
And Polar Bears have more ice to skate on because it has been so hot in Chicago this year…oops, sorry.
I think this ‘scientist’ may have a job waiting for him at IRS explaining what happened to the emails they ‘lost’. Maybe THAT was due to Global Warming too?
Al Sharpton needs to put his lab coat back on!
Mr Goddard, when i discuss the issue of melting sea ice vs growing sea ice in antarctica with supporters of global warming theories, they point out the difference between the melting glaciers that do contribute to rising sea levels, and the growing sea ice, which does not contribute to rising sea levels. the difference being that glaciers are ice that originates on land, not in the oceans, and sea ice which is merely frozen water already in the sea. can you explain how these two phenomena relate to each other and how this is happening?
thanks, i know you have more understanding and background than i and would like to be able to contribute to the discussions i encounter with others who have views that differ from my own.
The way they relate is that in order to distract from the failures of their sea ice predictions, they started making up a bunch of BS about land ice.
Global warming and more ice? Simple, there IS NO GLOBAL WARMING. Climate is all in weather pattern change caused by NATURAL occurances, not your Al Gore driven toilet flushing, which many whiners on here seem to lick up as the truth. Its happened before and it will happen again and again and again and again. The Midwest had the coldest winter in over three decades, not the product of your precious global warming. Put down the kool-air, get off the weed, pull your heads out of the self-colonoscopy chamber and get with the rest of society that knows AS FACT that there is no global warming, this again proves it, more ice in the Arctic proves it, cold Midwest winter proves it, its all thee, its all fact and its all correct, as correct thinking people will tell you.
So, if Arctic ice is melting and Antarctic ice is increasing then it’s not GLOBAL is it?
It like those tree huggers in CA telling us that the drought in CA is a sure sign of “global” warming while ignoring the coldest winter in many parts of the globe as well as snow in Egypt (first time in decades) and the Sahara. Once again CA’s weather does not constitute “global”.
This just in: Congressman Hank Johnson (D-GA) allegedly expressed a fear that Antarctica could capsize if too much ice builds up there.
No dang wonder I am freezing cold.
The real danger to America is not just gay Obama alone, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a filthy sodomite like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of a gay Obama presidency than to restore the necessary,commonsense ,Godliness and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a creature for their president.
The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr.gay Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the gay fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. “The Republic can survive a gay Obama, who is, after all, merely a gay fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made this creature their President.
Global warming “scientists” concocted a conclusion years ago. As data comes in, they have to devise an interpretation that supports that conclusion. Mr. Serreze has demonstrated just how difficult “top-down” science can be.
Hey, we’ve got a new excuse for the pause – hat tip to Peter Wells, a commenter over at Harold Ambler’s blog. Apparently, Chinese made CO2 is faulty – it doesn’t work like the regular stuff and has caused the earth to stop heating up. So, if you have any Chinese CO2 you should return it to the manufacturer and ask for a full refund.