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1. chick20112011 says:

   February 1, 2015 at 1:35 am

   Good grief, the Science Channel and Time are now pontificating from this garbage research from University of Arizona. “Climate Change causing Iceland to rise”. I don’t think that the Earth gives a whit what teeny little man does in the scheme of things. A volcano with magma will ERUPT. Earthquakes will happen on moving crust. The stupidity that reigns with Govt. Fool Grants.
   http://time.com/3687893/volcanoes-climate-change/

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2. chick20112011 says:

   February 1, 2015 at 1:38 am

   Some of the comments from the unread masses are mind blowing.
   “.less ice leads to land rise which loosens the rocks, which lessens pressure making it easier for volcanos to form..” Never mind that the magma will HEAT THE ICE, MELTING IT.

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   • rachase says:

     February 2, 2015 at 6:34 pm

     I lay awake nights pondering the image of the earth having to lay dormant and inert for eons before man came along and pumped all that CO2 into the atmosphere so that the climate could finally change and precipitate all the geological, marine, weather, and vegetative changes that we are now starting to experience. Really must have been a pretty dull 4+ billion years.

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3. Dave Lowry says:

   February 1, 2015 at 10:50 am

   I agree that we should pay taxes to protect the environment, but I am not sure it is the best solution. I guess it would be cheaper and more efficient to inform the general public about the climate change situation and about the causes of the phenomenon. I prefer informing people on the causes to have them avoid future errors. I have recently read on http://www.1ocean-1climate.com about the naval war being the cause for global warming and I must say the thesis seems very logical for me. I think more and more people should see it.

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   • NielsZoo says:

     February 1, 2015 at 12:34 pm

     You took the blue pill… right?

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   • Gail Combs says:

     February 2, 2015 at 12:27 am

     WHAT GLOBAL WARMING!!!

     The only real argument is whether the earth will spend the next 65,000 years flirting with borderline glacial inception or actually drop into glaciation.

     First the entire amount of energy from 0 ppm CO2 to 400 ppm CO2 is 32 to 44 W m–2 [cf., Reid, 1997] ALL but 5 to 6 W m–2 of that forcing occurs in the first 250 ppm CO2, a CO2 concentration where plants barely survive.

     https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/co2_modtrans_img1.png

     Note that new research by Dr Happer has just flattened that curve so you are lucky to even get the 5 to 6 W m–2

     SO you are talking MAXIMUM of 5 W m–2 for the effect of CO2 if the amount is raised to 1500 ppm the optimum level for plants.

     The Holocene interglacial is now 11,700 years old. That’s two centuries or so beyond half the present precession cycle (or 23,000/2=11,500). So the Little Ice Age was about the right time for glacial inception. However we had the Modern Grand Solar Minimum – SEE: A History of Solar Activity over Millennia

     Where is the earth in regards to the Milankovitch cycle?

     NOAA: Insolation values @ 60N in June.
     (www1DOT)ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/climate_forcing/orbital_variations/berger_insolation/insol91.jun

     Holocene peak: 522.5 Wm-2
     …………………………….decrease = 46.5 Wm-2
     Modern Warm Period: 476 Wm-2
     ……………………………… decrease = 13 Wm-2
     Depth of the last ice age – around 463 Wm?2

     Some how 50 W m–2 decrease trumps 5 W m–2 in my book and that is using THEIR numbers! Note that the earth is only receiving 13 Wm?2 more than during the depth of the Wisconsin Ice Age

     ……………..

     Will the earth descend into glaciation or be a ‘‘double precession cycle’’ interglacial? That is still being argued by quaternary scientists.

     This is considered the best paper to date:

     A Pliocene-Pleistocene stack of 57 globally distributed benthic D18O records
     Lisiecki & Raymo
     ABSTRACT
     We present a 5.3-Myr stack (the ‘‘LR04’’ stack) of benthic d18O records from 57 globally distributed sites aligned by an automated graphic correlation algorithm. This is the first benthic d18O stack composed of more than three records to extend beyond 850 ka,…

     RESULTS
     Recent research has focused on MIS 11 as a possible analog for the present interglacial [e.g., Loutre and Berger, 2003; EPICA Community Members, 2004] because both occur during times of low eccentricity. The LR04 age model establishes that MIS 11 spans two precession cycles, with d18O values below 3.6% for 20 kyr, from 398 – 418 ka. In comparison, stages 9 and 5 remained below 3.6% for 13 and 12 kyr, respectively, and the Holocene interglacial has lasted 11 kyr so far. In the LR04 age model, the average LSR of 29 sites is the same from 398– 418 ka as from 250–650 ka; consequently, stage 11 is unlikely to be artificially stretched. However, the 21 June insolation minimum at 65°N during MIS 11 is only 489 W/m2, much less pronounced than the present minimum of 474 W/m2. In addition, current insolation values are not predicted to return to the high values of late MIS 11 for another 65 kyr. We propose that this effectively precludes a ‘‘double precession cycle’’ interglacial [e.g., Raymo, 1997] in the Holocene without human influence….

     Did you read that? “current insolation values are not predicted to return to the high values of late MIS 11 for another 65 kyr.” That kills any possibility of a CAGW tipping point for the next 65 kyr. The solar energy just isn’t there and CO2 has already shot its wad in the first 200 ppm.

     A newer paper from the fall of 2012 a href=”http://www.clim-past.net/8/1473/2012/cp-8-1473-2012.pdf”>Can we predict the duration of an interglacial? agrees and gives the calculated solar insolation values @ 65N on June 22 for several glacial inceptions:

     Current value – insolation = 479W m?2 (from that paper)

     MIS 7e – insolation = 463 W m?2,
     MIS 11c – insolation = 466 W m?2,
     MIS 13a – insolation = 500 W m?2,
     MIS 15a – insolation = 480 W m?2,
     MIS 17 – insolation = 477 W m?2

     (Changes near the north polar area, about 65 degrees North, are considered important due to the great amount of land. Land masses respond to temperature change more quickly than oceans.)

     You can see why there is an argument. Solar insolation isn’t a cut and dried measure for glacial inception.

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   • rachase says:

     February 2, 2015 at 6:38 pm

     OK, I saw it. And my only comment as a (now retired) research scientist is that post hoc analysis is a wonderful too by which you can “prove” the strangest coincidences.

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