The largest forest fire in US history occurred in Oregon, Washington, Montana and Idaho in 1910, when CO2 was 300 PPM.
During EPA Senate hearings some brainless Oregon Senator just blamed forest fires in Oregon on CO2, and said he wants to sue other states who generate CO2.
One of the expert responses to his statement was “that is due to the Pacific Decadal Oscillation” and Senator brainless immediately cut him off.
It is time to move on.
Thanks to the willingness of you and others to challenge dogma, the AGW bandwagon momentum was too weak to ignore reports of altered temperature data.
Data were altered to hide the solar force that produced, in solar cycle #24, the lowest number of sunspots recorded since 1750.
(Sunspots appear when powerful, deep-seated magnetic fields from the Sun’s compact core emerge through the photosphere, as explained in this 2002 paper on “Super-fluidity in the solar interior: Implications for solar eruptions and climate”, Journal of Fusion Energy 21, 193-198 (2002)]: )
http://www.springerlink.com/content/r2352635vv166363/
The AGW fiasco thus confirmed the secret decision in 1945 to save the world from nuclear annihilation by forbidding public knowledge of the energy (E) stored as mass (m) in cores of:
1. Heavy atoms like Uranium
2. Some planets like Jupiter
3. Ordinary stars like the Sun
4. Galaxies like the Milky Way
5. The expanding Universe
The lingering question is just this: Can dogmatic skeptics and believers work together to restore contact with reality by reversing the 1945 decision and by avoiding the selfishness that now threatens the survival and advancement of human society?
What I meant to say: It is time to move on: THE AGW DEBATE ENDED WHEN YOU SHOWED DATA WERE ALTERED TO DECEIVE THE PUBLIC!
Your finding confirmed the way government science started to operate in 1945-46, according to reports by Sir Fred Hoyle and Professor P. K. Kuroda:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10640850/Solar_Energy_For_Review.pdf
Well, you can’t argue with science. CO2 has CARBON, and carbon is flammable, so adding CARBON to the atmosphere can only increase forest fires. Soon there will be so much CARBON in the atmosphere that if somebody strikes a match the wrong way, we will burn the whole planet up, just like Venus. You can’t argue with science.
“One of these days your sense of humor is going to get you into trouble.”
From responses below it already has.
Wonder why they put CO2 in fire extinguishers ? Must be a con.
Carbon is flammable ? Really?
Carbon is an ATOM! CO2 is a MOLECULE.
Carbon: Melting point 3652 °C
Boiling point 4827 °C
http://www.lenntech.com/periodic/elements/c.htm
CO2: Section 5 : FIRE FIGHTING MEASURES
Flammability:
Not flammable.
Conditions of flammability:
Will not burn.
Extinguishing media:
Use appropriate extinguishing media for surrounding fire.
Special procedures:
Self-contained breathing apparatus required.
Firefighters should wear the usual protective gear.
Cool fire exposed containers with water spray.
Personnel should be evacuated, if necessary, to upwind area.
Remove containers from fire area if without risk.
Auto-ignition temperature:
Not applicable.
Flash point (°C), method:
Not applicable.
Lower flammability
limit (% vol):
Not applicable.
Upper flammability
limit (% vol):
Not applicable.
http://www.uigi.com/MSDS_gaseous_CO2.html
Anything else, Morgan?
Charcoal?
(Ducks and runs…)
Your comment is an excellent example of first order scientific illiteracy.
And, here I thought CO2 put out fires. Glad the senator set us all straight.
The senator probably also thinks CO2 causes “desertification”.
ROFLOL
http://www.gatewayfiresupply.com/CO2-Fire-Extinguisher_c_10.html
I guess we should reward the states that have generated the most CO2 over the last 9 years, thus preventing any major hurricane from hitting the US.
If the forest fires were caused by the PDO, then we should sue the Pacific Ocean. As the world’s largest ocean, it should be a responsible steward.
When you think about it CO2 actually helps PREVENT nasty fires.
Droughts are a major cause of run away fires. CO2 helps ‘drought proof’ C3 plants like trees by allowing them to keep the stomata closed more of the time. This means more water is retained and the H2O content of the plant is higher.
So another lie bites the dust.
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Of course the big cause is idiot leftists who scream bloody murder if cutting and controlled burns are used to prevent large scale fires.
As far as I am concerned there are several people who should be up on murder charges in Australia given the out of control Victoria Fires in the last decades. This was needless loss of life and property due to new ‘eco-friendly’ laws that do not allow the clearing of brush from around homes.
February 8, 2009 Death toll rises from bushfires
Dr. Evans explains the problem.
Fuel Loads Not Climate Change Are Making Bushfires More Severe
Right, because there were no forest fires before the industrial revolution.
Actually primitive people used fire on a routine basis to clear out unwanted scrub and promote the growth of the plants their prey animals liked.
It is only since the Eco-loons that the practice has stopped.
They also used fire to drive prey into the open.
https://books.google.com/books?id=NBul4Tx_nNcC&pg=PA118&lpg=PA118&dq=indians+used+fire+to+drive+deer+and+buffalo&source=bl&ots=OeeSKPlKaS&sig=5g3C47opRvR2Mt7bXCNvmrIpwHw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-nAAVau4IoHBgwTyvIPoBg&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=indians%20used%20fire%20to%20drive%20deer%20and%20buffalo&f=false
So eco-friendly!
Just one large BBQ! YUMMmm
Now I want a steak…
They also used fire to run them off cliffs into canyons… the whole herd. They butchered what they wanted and left the rest. There would be bones of over a hundred buffalo at the bottom of a canyon and only a few would show tool marks from actually being butchered. The rest died for no reason and were left to rot. (Based on archaeological data that I’ve long since forgotten the source for.) That’s the legacy of our oh so “in touch with nature” aboriginal population (that immigrated to North America from Asia so I refuse to call them “native.”) Survival is a practical thing and relying killing an animal that’s 10 times bigger and 3 times faster than you with a stone tipped wooden spear is a great way to let your family and tribe starve to death. Fortunately there weren’t very many of them around to do this… so they left it for the next round of immigrants to find a better way to kill buffalo… the Sharps in 45-90.
Head-Smashed-In Buffalo Jump World Heritage Site
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Head-Smashed-In.jpg
Located 18 km north & west of Fort Macleod, Alberta, Canada at a location where the foothills of the Rocky Mountains meet the Great Plains, one of the world’s oldest, largest, and best preserved buffalo jumps can be found. Head-Smashed-In – a UNESCO World Heritage Site – has been used continuously by aboriginal peoples of the plains nearly 6,000 years.
http://history.alberta.ca/headsmashedin/
Astounding ignorance everywhere one looks. Any truth is ‘cut off’. George Orwell and newspeak, the vocabulary grows smaller over time.
At this point I am so disgusted with the propaganda and lies coming out of the MSM and most of our ‘elected’ officials I want to toss all of them in jail without bail until we sort out whose did what and what lies they told.
I am an Agnostic but there are times, and they are coming more and more frequently that I hope that Dante’s Ninth Circle of Hell for Traitors and Treachery is accurate.
http://decodedpast.com/assets/Gustave_Dore_Inferno32-300×241.jpg
“In Dantes Inferno, traitors occupy the 9th level of Hell, closest to the center. Paul Gustave Doré (1832-1883) depicted Dante visiting with traitors trapped in ice.” link
Forests naturally burn. If you don’t want forest fires, you need an unnatural, managed forest. The Germans figured this out centuries ago.
i lived eight years in Germany and was amazed at how beautiful their managed forests were; no underbrush that can dry + help a fire to spread quickly; i wish local state parks + forests were managed in such a way
I also lived in Germany for years, and the Förster’s took great care of the land parcels for which they were responsible, they put our Park Rangers to shame. The Black Forest is truly epic.
I lived in the Black Forest outside of Tübingen in Germany in 1968. The forests there are very carefully tended.
I don’t know about Germany, but the managed forest I visited in the Czeck Republic was sterile. The conifers were lovely, but the understory was lifeless. And there was no pine odor.
Czech.
I also lived in Germany and the forests in my area were nicely kept and full of wild life.
I dunno Gail. I guess as an outdoorsman and a resident of a heavily forested area, I like my forests a little wilder and les managed. IMHO.
Here is what part of the Big Burn looks like now, near Avery, ID. https://yy1.staticflickr.com/4142/4747000831_01b76de0a8_z.jpg
During EPA Senate hearings some brainless Oregon Senator just blamed forest fires in Oregon on CO2, and said he wants to sue other states who generate CO2.
Doesn’t this idiot know the predominate wind is from the West (South – North). So what was the response from the Governor of the Great State of Pacific Ocean?
The incidence of wildfires has increased primarily because of unintended consequences of polices for decades by the Forestry Service, undisciplined logging the anti-logging wing to the Environmental Movement and the Endangered Species regulations. For decades the Forestry Service policy has been to immediately address and extinguish fire outbreaks thus curtailing low order ground fires from burning slow growing shade tolerant undergrowth. These fires are essential to the overall health by returning essential nutrients to the soil, removing the primary fuel source before the density increases in volume that causes the old growth trees to burn.
In the case of the Sequoia tree the heat from these fires is an essential element of their seeding cycle, the heat causes seed release. The problem has occurred because the two primary tools for reducing the density of fuel in forests–controlled burning and disciplined logging–have been increasingly restricted by the Forest Service. Controlled burning of moderate stands of undergrowth–fires that would not be hot enough to harm larger trees–is no longer possible in many areas of the west, because the forest density is so great that foresters fear such fires could not be kept under control. Disciplined logging, which preserves forest health in privately owned forest lands, has been dramatically cut back in National Forests because of protests by a small but vocal group of anti-growth, anti-logging organizations with little or no expertise in forest management process. The anti-logging campaign has resulted in essentially the same outcomes.
Nice synopsis.
It is what happens when emotional people with little expertise are allowed to over rule experts who know what they are doing.
We are about to do the same to our electric grid. Oh Joy.
Apparently he does not realize that CO2 is used in FIRE EXTINGUISHERS. Then again, if the CO2 caused the weeds to grow extra BIG, he might possibly be right. Yet Ferdinand Englebeen points out cogently that O2 (which actually encourages combustion) has been decreasing pretty much proportionately to CO2 increase in the atmosphere. His take is that this lead pipe cinches human responsibility for the increase. My own is that unfathomed biological activity in the oceans, which produce an identical isotopic signature, is at least partially responsible. My basis is the geological history of isotopic excursions which dwarf all possible human efforts. Nothing is certain. Nothing is simple.