Sucking The Heat Of The Ocean

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1. Nicholas Schroeder says:

   October 20, 2015 at 6:19 pm

   Evaporating water absorbs about 950 Btu/lb. Over an hour a pound of evaporating water absorbs 278 Watts (950/3.412). ToA is 340 W/m^2. CO2 RF is 2.0 W/m^2. Water is the heat moving champion of the globe.

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   • DD More says:

     October 20, 2015 at 10:03 pm

     Nic, I found this on water and heat.
     So Evaporation of water is 2,500,000 J/kg. http://www.theweatherprediction.com/habyhints2/524/

     And since most of this energy is taken from the nearby sea water – it will cool
     Specific Heat Sea Water = 4,009 J/kg oC 2,500,000/4,009 = 623 or 623 kg by 1- C
     Since there is 1,000 Kg per m^3 or 100 Kg per cm-m^2, 1″ (2.54 cm) of water sublimated will cool the next (623/100)/2.54 = 2.45″ of water 1 oC.

     Oh yea, the average amount of evaporation on open ocean (non-ice) is around 140 cm. That’s how the oceans cool.

     Wiki Pacific Typhoons 1998 & 2015 pages list

     1998 –
     Total depressions 22 official, 5 unofficial
     Total storms 15 official, 3 unofficial
     Typhoons 8 official, 1 unofficial
     Super typhoons 3 unofficial

     2015 – to date
     Total depressions 35
     Total storms 25 official, 1 unofficial
     Typhoons 16
     Super typhoons 8 (unofficial)

     How many inches of water do you think each sq meter of ocean got sucked up by these systems? No wonder the Pacific temperatures are not close to 1998.

     Evaporation from the Surface of the Globe – They peg the total energy for evaporation ocean plus land at 1.26 X 10E24 or 25 pecent of ‘energy in’ at the surface.
     paper here – http://www.eolss.net/sample-chapters/c07/e2-02-03-02.pdf

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     • Nicholas Schroeder says:

       October 21, 2015 at 11:40 pm

       http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/fluids-evaporation-latent-heat-d_147.html
       Btu/lb 970.4
       lb/kg 2.204
       Btu/kg 2,138.8
       kJ/Btu 1.055
       kJ/kg 2,256.4
       J/kg 2,256,393

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2. Stewart Pid says:

   October 20, 2015 at 7:10 pm

   Hey I thought the climate liars said the heat was hiding at the bottom of the ocean … safely out of the cyclones spinning on the surface 😉

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3. mkelly says:

   October 20, 2015 at 7:42 pm

   So the cyclones are trying to offset the El Niño?

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   • AndyG55 says:

     October 20, 2015 at 8:34 pm

     El Ninos are also a release of energy from the ocean.

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4. ntesdorf says:

   October 20, 2015 at 9:15 pm

   I’m sure all this powerful stuff must be hidden somewhere there in the IPCC climate models! It’s just that you can see it there easily.

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5. omanuel says:

   October 20, 2015 at 10:08 pm

   Perhaps ocean heat is like solar neutrinos that oscillate away before being detected. With modern “science,” all things are possible !

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   • David A says:

     October 21, 2015 at 12:34 am

     Oliver, congratulations on NOT playing the same song over and over. In a few days I will have a question for you in your field, just no time now. Thanks

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6. Nicholas Schroeder says:

   October 20, 2015 at 10:59 pm

   First off, a discussion of units.

   A watt is a metric unit of power, energy over time, not energy per se. The metric energy unit is the joule, English energy unit is the Btu. A watt is 3.412 Btu per English hour or 3.600 kilojoule per metric hour.

   In 24 hours ToA power of 340 W/m^2 will deliver 1.43 E19 Btu to a spherical surface with a radius of 6,386 km. The CO2 RF of 2 W/m^2 will deliver 8.39 E16 Btu, 0.59% of the ToA.
   At 950 Btu/lb of energy, evaporating 0.74 inches of the ocean’s surface would absorb the entire ToA, evaporating 0.0044 inches of the ocean’s surface would absorb the evil unbalancing CO2 RF.

   More clouds. Big deal.

   ToA spherical surface area, m^2 5.125.E+14
   W = 3.412 Btu/h 3.412.E+00
   ToA, 340 W/m^2, Btu/24 h 1.43E+19
   CO2 RF, 2 W/m^2, Btu/24 h 8.39E+16

   Ocean surface , m^2 3.619E+14
   m^2 = 10.764 ft^2 1.076E+01
   Ocean surface, ft^2 3.895E+15
   Water density, lb/ft^3 62.4
   Lb of water in 1 foot of ocean 2.431E+17
   Evaporation, Btu/lb 950.0

   Amount of ocean evaporation
   Feet needed to absorb ToA 0.062
   Inches needed to absorb ToA 0.74
   Feet needed to absorb CO2 RF 0.0004
   Inches needed to absorb CO2 RF 0.0044

   Check ’em Danno.

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7. climategrog says:

   October 21, 2015 at 7:45 am

   Annual accumulated cyclone energy and SST:
   http://climategrog.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/amo_ace-no_detrend-1925adj.png

   https://climategrog.wordpress.com/?attachment_id=215

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