Did Exxon Know About The Coming Ice Age?

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42 Responses to Did Exxon Know About The Coming Ice Age?

  1. John of Cloverdale, WA, Australia says:

    Steve McQueen in The Blob (1958): “As long as the Arctic stays cold.”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GEJgR-bX0w

  2. Jeff L. says:

    RIP Leonard Nimoy.

  3. Griff says:

    but there isn’t a coming ice age…

    update on the Bering Sea, showing just how abnormal events there have been:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/bering-sea-ice-melt-global-warming-climate-change-alaska-a8338656.html

    …ice lower than at any time since records for the area starting being kept in the 1850s…

    • richard says:

      Nah, 19th century records illustrate the ice extent back then the same as today-

      https://seagrant.uaf.edu/nosb/2005/resources/arctic-explorers.pdf

    • RAH says:

      Griff, the great climate forecaster, tells us without equivocation, that there isn’t a coming ice age based on an article in a UK rag. We can all sleep well at night now.

      Tell us Griff, the great climate forecaster, just how strong or weak will solar cycle 25 be? Will it be stronger than 24 which was the weakest in nearly 100 years, or stronger? How long will the minimum last? Look it up in your great references, the Independent and Guardian, and get back to us.

      Personally I don’t believe that we’re going into an ice age either, but that is based on lowly inaccurate scientific records, and the words of scientists I tend to believe are competent despite the fact that several other scientists in various fields, have said they believe were in for a mini ice age. I do believe however that we’re coming into a three of four decades long period of cooling however based on oceanic cycles and the general trend of the weather and such. There will be El Nino spikes but the trend will be down until the red smoothing line on the Dr. Christy and Spencer’s UAH graph will dip below the 0 line and stay there the majority of it’s time a decade or two.

      But that is just this truck drivers interpretation of where we’re going and not that of your great interpretation of the super accurate and unbiased articles in the Independent and Guardian rags which everyone knows has a fantastic record of sniffing out the least biased an most knowledgeable to get their information from.

      Gag!

      • Griff says:

        it doesn’t matter how strong or weak it is, in as much as the solar influence on climate is currently overridden by the CO2 influence. A new Maunder would shave only a tiny amount off future warming.

        • sunsettommy says:

          Just in the last 2 years, it has COOLED about .70C

          Geez you sure missed that well documented change.

        • Gator says:

          climate is currently overridden by the CO2 influence

          Prove it.

          1- List all climate forcings, order them from most to least effectual, and then quantify them all.

          2- Please provide even one peer reviewed paper that refutes natural variability as the cause of recent, or any, global climate changes.

          There is nothing unusual or unprecedented about our climate, or how we got here. For 4,500,000,000 years climates have always changed, naturally. This means there has been a set precedent, and the burden of proof falls on natural climate change deniers like yourself.

          Why do you hate poor brown people?

    • AndyG55 says:

      One tiny patch, a remnant of the warm El Nino water.

      GROW UP, griff.

      This is MEANINGLESS. !!

      Arctic sea ice extent is STILL in the TOP 10% of extents of the last 10,000 years.

      ie IT IS ANOMALOUSLY HIGH

      wake up to the facts, you poor demented parrot !!

    • Gator says:

      Ms Griff, the only thing that is abnormal is your hatred of poor brown people.

    • Robert B says:

      The problem isn’t that the globe has warmed since 1860 but that similar conditions occurred in the late 30s.

    • GW Smith says:

      A small spot overall resulting from an oscillation in the jet stream. Noting to worry about. Ice age is coming. Darn it.

    • Stewart Pid says:

      Griff – I know that you are stupider than a sack of hammers but FYI the Bering Strait is about 50 miles south of the Arctic Circle and the entire Bering Sea isn’t even in the Arctic. So your point is exactly what?

    • tonyheller says:

      But there isn’t upcoming global warming….

      Fixed it for you. The Bering Sea melts out every May.

      • Griff says:

        and now it melted out BY May.

        • sunsettommy says:

          You are still delusional about the Arctic…….

          Oh that right that pacific region is OUTSIDE the Arctic region!

          Here is another published science report you will ignore, which is a long standing habit among warmists:

          “The Bering Sea’s surface temperatures ranged between 6°C to 9°C during the Early Holocene (~11,800 to 9,500 years ago). Slightly further south, in the subarctic North Pacific, sea surface temperatures (SSTs) were as high as 10°C to 12°C between ~9,000 and 5,000 years ago. CO2 concentrations hovered around 260 ppm during this period (versus ~410 ppm today), and yet these Early Holocene SSTs were warm enough that year-round open waters — no sea ice — prevailed in the Arctic’s Bering Sea and the subarctic North Pacific.
          Comparatively, saltwater freezes to form a layer of sea ice at temperatures of -1.7°C (NOAA). And in modern times, the Bering Sea maintains a layer of sea ice from about November to May every year, meaning that today’s SSTs are sub-zero for much of the year in this region.”

          http://notrickszone.com/#sthash.UcOpFPuD.Sra4IKKO.dpbs

    • AndyG55 says:

      Facts , griff.. try finding some…

      • Griff says:

        Of course there was open water there in that time period.

        but now we have it without the conditions that caused this in the past.

        a new set of conditions has produced an abnormally low ice extent, earlier in the season.

        Only the continued decline of extent through recent winters due to warming has caused this particular event

        • sunsettommy says:

          Another fact less rationalization from you, Griff.

          What you manage to miss is the obvious that nothing horrible happened THEN, nothing horrible is happening now.

          You are a pathetic little man.

        • Gator says:

          a new set of conditions has produced an abnormally low ice extent

          Yes! Bigfoot became a vegetarian, and farted!

    • richard says:

      Griff, back in the day when glaciers covered Asia and the US the ice in the Arctic was about the same as today with seasonal open waters.

      The Arctic is a strange beast indeed.

      • richard says:

        “The Arctic Ocean between the huge ice sheets of America and Eurasia was not frozen throughout, but like today probably was only covered by relatively shallow ice, subject to seasonal changes and riddled with icebergs calving from the surrounding ice sheets. According to the sediment composition retrieved from deep-sea cores there must even have been times of seasonally open waters.”

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_glacial_period

  4. oldbrew says:

    Changes in wind direction can easily affect Arctic sea ice conditions.
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/03/180320123450.htm

    Could be a result of the 2016 El Niño.

    • RAH says:

      Don’t look now but it’s looking like were heading for another El Nino. Possibly of the Modoki type. There is a big patch of very warm water lurking under the surface in the western El Nino areas as I write this. Trades are already weakening.

      If this warm water comes to the surface expect most of the Atlantic Hurricane season to end up with a below Average ACE. Big arc of cold water in the Atlantic right now and if the Trades switch the easterly flow will cause sheer.

  5. Anon says:

    A little more about Steven Schneider below. They are still using his playbook:

    The late Stephen Schneider, who authored The Genesis Strategy, a 1976 book warning that global cooling risks posed a threat to humanity, later changed that view 180 degrees, serving as a lead author for important parts of three sequential IPCC reports. In a quotation published in Discover, he said: “On the one hand, as scientists we are ethically bound to the scientific method, on the other hand, we are not just scientists, but human beings as well. And like most people, we’d like to see the world a better place, which in this context translates into our working to reduce the risk of potentially disastrous climatic change. To do that, we need to get some broad-based support, to capture the public’s imagination. That, of course, entails getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of the doubts we might have. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest.”

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/02/05/in-their-own-words-climate-alarmists-debunk-their-science/#2a65f09768a3

    • R. Shearer says:

      I wonder what was the defining circumstance between 1978 and 1980 that led to his 180 degree change in view. It certainly wasn’t climate data.

      • Anon says:

        Without trying to be cynical. As a research scientist, I have seen it in colleagues, willing to forego a promising (non AGW) scientific hypothesis in favor of exploring how whatever they are researching correlates with AGW. For the right environmental problem the difference in grant money between a related and non-related AGW phenomenon is huge. I am guessing that is part of it, but I don’t know myself, since doing that seems scientifically dubious and unethical to me. I suppose the answer lies in that Lindzen article I linked to the other day.

        If anyone has not seen it, here it is again:
        http://blog.friendsofscience.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Lindzen12-March-ClimateScienceNOTansweringQ.pdf

    • arn says:

      That’s why they are 100% effective and 0% hoenest.

    • Diogenese2 says:

      And since he was, all in all, pretty effective,
      then it is clear the choice he made.

    • Colorado Wellington says:

      From Steven Schneider to Ms Griff.

      From the tragedy of a corrupt scientist to the comedy of a dimwit.

    • GW Smith says:

      What could be more revealing – to the left, their opinion of what is true trumps any objective truth. No wonder these quotes get burred by the media.

  6. Frank K. says:

    Well, at least Exxon won’t have (former) NY AG Eric Shneiderman to kick them around anymore…

    Eric Schneiderman, powerful NY Democrat accused of violence against women and drug abuse, resigns as state attorney general

    New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman announced his resignation Monday night, hours after The New Yorker magazine published allegations of physical abuse and controlling behavior by four women who had romantic relationships or encounters with him.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/07/eric-schneiderman-powerful-ny-democrat-accused-violence-against-women-and-drug-abuse-resigns-as-state-attorney-general.html

    To refresh our memories…

    Creative Lawyering On Display As Schneiderman Targets ExxonMobil On Climate Change

    Could ExxonMobil be guilty of fraud for taking a public stance on global warming? New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman thinks so, and news that he’s demanded years of records from the oil giant shows how creative some lawyers have become in using litigation to try and achieve the sort of policy changes once left to legislators.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2015/11/05/creative-lawyering-on-display-as-schneiderman-targets-exxonmobil-on-climate-change/#2682d78a6d1b

    • R. Shearer says:

      “Take that, bitch,” said Eric.

    • Frank K. says:

      Apparently, SJWs sacrifice their women for “the cause”…

      “After the former girlfriend ended the relationship, she told several friends about the abuse. A number of them advised her to keep the story to herself, arguing that Schneiderman was too valuable a politician for the Democrats to lose. She described this response as heartbreaking.”

      https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/296198/

      • Rah says:

        Several friends? I think not. Those aren.’t “friends”.

      • arn says:

        They really do-
        a few years ago a female refugee helper got gangraped by muslims in italy.
        Her male coworkers tried to keep her from telling the police
        and after she did they accused her of being malvolent.

        Another example was the reason why David Horowitz left
        this pervert bunch.
        His progressive leftie friends helped to cover up
        the killing of a woman by the black panthers((+their systematic involvement in drug trade and prostitution))

        Such a ‘progressive’ behaviour is normal for these fake fagots.
        They’ll cry the whole day about equality and to end rape culture or the (non existing) gender wage gap((they know very well that there are just to genders as soon as it fits their narrative)

        while they’ll let Weinstein do what ever he wants to.

        Everything is fake about those guys.

    • arn says:

      Being democrat seems to mean being Weinstein by default.

      (and these hipocritters dare to call other bigots))

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