Arctic sea ice is following a very similar track as 2006, which had the highest summer minimum of the past decade. Note that there has been almost no change in extent over the last three days.
COI | Centre for Ocean and Ice | Danmarks Meteorologiske Institut
Though I suspect that there will be some recovery this year it seems to me it’s a little too early to predict just how extensive it will be.
I must have missed the prediction you are referring to.
Where did I say that there was a prediction? I just said I believe it’s too early for one. It was a kind of a back handed reference to the claims made at times by alarmists that no measurements at the arctic really matter until September. Perhaps should have been more clear. http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2013/jul/24/arctic-ice-free-methane-economy-catastrophe
Unless the western Arctic sea water warms significantly in July, a big melt is not possible. It isn’t happening this year.
I just looked at a lot of model predictions and they are basically showing one huge cold polar vortex over the Arctic Ocean with various lobes gyrating around for the foreseeable future. I see very little melting going on at least for the next 2 weeks. The only hope for alarmists is a phony balony Arctic storm that allegedly breaks up the ice, per 2012.
Yours seems to be 2 posts down Steve…. 🙂
Climate change – it changed. But there is no death spiral.
Make sure people see this NOW before its too late (ie CT/others may NOT change it).
http://sunshinehours.wordpress.com/2014/07/14/sea-ice-update-july-14-2014-antarctica-sensorprocessing-error/
Seems like a southern redux of this past screw up. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aIe9swvOqwIY
Good examples of why any data collected by any system should ever be considered to be beyond reproach.
What is that big downward spike? Did Al Gore fart?
stevengoddard says:
July 15, 2014 at 12:35 pm
Unless the western Arctic sea water warms significantly in July, a big melt is not possible. It isn’t happening this year.
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The other thing that could happen to make the alarmists happy are storms that reduce the coverage though that also seems unlikely this year.
Normally storms increase the extent, like they are doing this summer.
What was the story in early August, 2012? I’m presuming from your comment above, that it was “abnormal”?
CO2 appears to be … impotent
This is potentially huge. If we beat last year as far as the final minimum by a significant amount, so we’ve had two straight years of huge growth in the amount of ice at minimum, with Antarctic ice at record levels, with there being no increase in the truly minimal rates of sea level rise, and with 18 friggin years of flat or declining temperatures even in the face of the steady rise of CO2, we need to then turn things around and start putting the spotlight and the main actor: CO2.
About the flat temperatures and growing ice levels etc, the Prophets of Doom can say “ok, so what? CO2 still is a terrible pollutant that will eventually cause our destruction. For some reason we’ve had a little pause, but still, there is no change, we must cut CO2 to the bone or die.” That’s why we need to focus on CO2, to counter that. For one, spread the word about this video that in 3 minutes convincingly shows the CO2 lag and the total lack of evidence that CO2 has ever affected temperatures. That’s the truth. There’s no evidence for CO2’s impact. None at all. All they have is a theoretic model, which they dramatically accentuate with their unfounded postulations of extreme water vapor positive feedbacks (which would likely be negative). Yet other models present a solid case that CO2 has little effect beyond around 50ppm.
With temperatures flat, ice levels growing, etc, all this stuff is consistent with the theoretical models that show CO2 is in practical effect impotent as far as climate temperatures. Stress that, day in day out. Until people see it, and believe it. And the shameless fear mongers duck their heads in shame. Before being carted off.
+1, but we still need the good Arctic ice extent on September before a final strike against the alarmists.
They don’t have anything left but the general trend of the Arctic ice, everything else failed.
Another good extent at the end of the summer this year would be a death sentence to their “religion”.
We can hope so, Dmh. The only issue is that the public, other than conservatives, seems to be largely impervious to the logic and facts of this. It’s like all the taunts of “crazy nutcase denier!” from the fear mongers has sunk in, and so the public shies away from the rest. We have a teflon public or something, the facts are just not sticking. Like we got an umpire and the Chicken Littles will swing and miss, and it’s strike 1. Then they swing again, and miss. Strike 1! Again. Strike 1! On and on until hell freezes over, and even after that, Strike 1! Most people don’t even know that we’ve had 18 years of flat temperatures, that the ipcc’s foundational claim that there’s proof that CO2 causes temperature change is false, or that Antarctica has seen record levels of sea ice. My hope is that me or somebody can someday soon organize and fundraise to run an aggressive ad campaign (mostly tv) to try to get some of our points to get known and to sink in. Then we could finally get strike 3!
Tony,
Yeah, ice may not be melting in the Arctic, but global warming is causing a lot worse problems up there.
“Scientists baffled by gigantic 262ft hole that has appeared at Siberia’s ‘End of The World'”
“Global warming may have caused an ‘alarming’ melt in the under-soil ice, released gas and causing an effect like the popping of a Champagne bottle cork, Ms Kurchatova suggests.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-2693105/Giant-hole-appears-Siberia-Huge-crater-emerges-end-world.html
Denier!
Wait, you think meteor craters are caused by global warming?
OT, but I’m amazed that I heard Shepard Smith on Fox attribute the cold temperatures in midwest to “a thing climate change, have you heard of that?” Right. There’s no evidence at all that this cold is the result of global warming. It’s insane, and this guy is on “fair and balanced” channel?
When they call it “climate change”, it means they can blame anything on it. It’s precisely why they changed the idea: so they can continue to push for limiting CO2 emissions, even if we sink into a new ice age.
There’s still some snow on the ground in the lower 48.
https://www.facebook.com/mspairport/photos/a.138577451253.121176.86126981253/10152137314231254/?type=1&theater
” Arctic sea ice is following a very similar track as 2006 … there has been almost no change in extent over the last three days.”
2006 had no period of normal extent but had no very low anomalies either, as it’s happening this year,
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.arctic.png
and DMI (15%)
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/plots/icecover/icecover_current_new.png
shows a slight increase in the extent since yesterday as happened in July 11-12, July ~ 05, June 16-17, May 15-16 and the beginning of April.
The “frequency” of days in which the ice has increased is itself increasing, possibly indicating the approach of period of halt of the melting for a few days, as happened in 2013 and 2010.
It’s not following 2006 on other graphs
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/Sea_Ice_Extent_v2_prev_L.png
Also there will be no halt for a few days, not in July…..
Andy
Do you ever stop making a fool out of yourself? JAXA and NSIDC use smoothed averages over a week and changes don’t show up for a few days. This graph shows real time data.
Warmists are ridiculous people.
Death Spiral Update:
http://www.mintpressnews.com/188226/188226/
“Monthly March ice extent for 1979 to 2014 shows a decline of 2.6% per decade relative to the 1981 to 2010 average (National Snow and Ice Data Center)Looking at new data from the National Snow and Ice Data Center, Suzanne Goldenberg at the Guardian reports Thursday that Arctic sea ice continues down a “death spiral,” disappearing much faster than scientists expected.
According to satellite data, the amount of ice cover fell to its fifth lowest on record in March.”
That was April 2014 from the ever voluble Suzanne Goldenberg.
So, let’s get this straight. Fifth lowest considering a tiny fraction of time in geological terms.
But fifth lowest is the new death spiral; and naturally it is “disappearing much faster than scientists expected.” Wait. What?
Wasn’t the arctic suppose to be ice-free, 2008, 2012, etc; Suzanne, you mean to tell me it’s retroactively worse than they had thought previously; although it isn’t worse than they thought then, because now it’s not that bad actually – more like tracking 2006, so how possibly could it be that Arctic Ice Extent is currently is worse than they thought? What are you thinking Suzanne? What are your “scientists” thinking? And I know you wrote this in April 2014, it’s a couple of months later but: what happened to the Arctic Ice “Death Spiral”?
Is the Arctic Ice Death Spiral thing a permanent sort of tag line completely independent of Arctic Ice extent? I have to ask. It is analogous to the ever rising slope of AGW that rises year after year simply by cooling the past?
We have a never ending Arctic Sea-Ice Death Spiral. The precious ice is always disappearing faster than expected, even though it doesn’t ever really disappear; and Mankind is forcing global temperatures up, even though no increase is being credibly measured; they simply game the data and cool the past as required.
How much more can basic credibility be stretched before this entire scam just unravels?