We have a competitor for Gavin in the global warming stupid department.
Threats from Global Warming
Global warming adds yet another stress to a Great Lakes system already struggling with aquatic invasive species, deleterious land use changes, nonpoint source pollution, toxic chemical contamination, and coastal habitat degradation/wetlands loss. Potential global warming impacts include reduced water levels (due in particular to decreased winter ice cover allowing more evaporation), increased frequency of intense storm events (altering the timing of inflows), and warmer water temperatures.
Already, Lake Superior has increased water temperatures and an earlier onset of summer stratification by about two weeks in just the past 30 years. Within another 30 years Lake Superior may be mostly ice-free in a typical winter.
Global Warming and the Great Lakes – National Wildlife Federation
The Great Lakes are about to pass last year’s record for ice cover. Lake Superior had ice well into July last year.
Michael Oppenheimer is considered a global warming authority by Congressional Democrats, because he has absolutely no idea what he is talking about.
Oppenheimer joined the Princeton faculty after more than two decades with The Environmental Defense Fund (EDF), a non-governmental, environmental organization, where he served as chief scientist and manager of the Climate and Air Program. He continues to serve as a science advisor to EDF
Oppenheimer wrote a book in the early 80’s called “Dead Heat.” According to him at that time, we should be 10 years into a global AGW calamity right now. Being wrong seems to be a resume enhancement with this crowd.
Being wrong seems to be a resume enhancement with this crowd.
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Of course it is. It means you can lie with a straight face and that is very important in a propagandist.
What a crock of shit. what did he get his degree in doomsday science.
Back of the Fruit Loops box?
Never mind the Great Lakes. All the warming is over in Alaska and the NW and that is where your attention should be right now. We will inform you when should start paying attention to Great Lakes again.
This has been a public service message.
Alberta winter (2014/15)…not… after the last couple of winters….I’LL TAKE IT….!!!
we were overdue for a nice warm winter….snow gone in the fields, warm Chinook winds…boy its been great! BUT wait…there’s more…soon, they will be worried about the dreaded D word…drought…conveniently forgetting that the rains arrive in June…but in the mean time, their will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth…
Chinooks have been glorious this year. So nice. Ah, the power of adiabatically warmed air…
http://iceagenow.info/2015/02/great-lakes-likely-ice-records-began-meteorologist/
I have a solution, that may knock some sense into these “Warming Scientists”. You need a “Ship Of Fools” just like the collective of AGW Scientists that were stuck in Antarctic Ice: January 2014.
Let them try & find some Dead Heat on the Great Lakes in the dead of Winter ; one difference, they must fund their own rescue !
It will be interesting to see if the Great Lakes freeze over completely by the end of February as the models predict it will remain cold for the remainder of the month in that region. Should the Lakes freeze completely over, it would be a real nail in the coffin of Global Warming.
But it’s only Global Warming where it’s warm; it’s Climate Change where it’s cold. You really gotta get with the program.
Oppenheimer’s credentials include “more than two decades with The Environmental Defense Fund (EDF)”, which clearly discredit any scientific credentials.
EDF is, and always has been, an advocacy cabal, more interested in pushing governmental policy than pursuing real science
Michael Oppenheimer enjoys riding on the laurels of atom bomb physicist J. Robert Oppenheimer, someone to whom he is genetically (and obviously intellectually) unrelated.
Human nature. People have to believe in something. –And many would be really happy if we had Catastrophic climate changes just to feed their religion, cult or whatever it is.
One of the very sad parts is that often there is not a pretense of a scientific process.
Simply circular thinking. Determine a desired outcome and then contrive to get it.
As the old saying goes, Figures don’t lie, but liars figure.
Out host has been doing a lot about it. But I do believe we are all falling short if we merely sit here and preach to the choir. We have to take it elsewhere (and take some punches)
And maybe a lot of contributors have been doing that and they should let it be known to us.,
Very true darrylb & there is more to be gained than preaching to the choir as you say.
I regularly challenge AGW nonsense on Youtube & other sites under another Name & believe me, there is no limit to the vitriol & ignorance out there. It has become a defacto Religion for many or an Obsessive Disorder for others ; there is no antidote for their stupidity. Usually when they are bombarded with CO2 facts, Global Ice & Climategate;
they drop out of the debate . They see us as heretics to their beliefs in NASA & IPCC.
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We have to be realistic, there is no sense in us banging our heads against a brick wall
in some instances ; we all need to measure where we can be effective. I also perform as an official Speaker (Environ. Eng. Safety) yes, I also take punches & commendations.
I have a lot of regard for our host & I agree, more than just moral support is warranted.
“Out host has been doing a lot about it. But I do believe we are all falling short if we merely sit here and preach to the choir. We have to take it elsewhere (and take some punches)
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I agree, although at some site like the guardian I go to moderation after one post. Does anyone have an idea as to what sites receive the most traffic, where posting is allowed?
You can try Forbes. I have had some fun knockdown drag outs at that site.
I guess the colder it gets the more “Potential global warming impacts ” we’ll be hearing about.
Tony, you seem to be laboring under the impression that these clowns live in the same world that you and I do. They are living in their own little world created by climate computer games. If ice was 5 miles deep over the entire northeast U.S. they would still see “global warming” in thier little computer world.
All this reminds me of the Matrix somehow.
Most NASA and NOAA people live in Florida, California and Texas. None live in Minnesota.
My wife works at NASA 24 miles from our house… it was 32°F – 0°C this morning and has been 8°F to 12°F BELOW normal for a lot of this winter. I believe GISS is somewhere in NY ’cause they ain’t here in Florida. Almost everything down here is spacecraft prep, processing, launch and flight related along with the museums, visitor center, launch viewing and large technical conference areas… plus spillover to the Canaveral AFS space ops.
EMS–True.
As I am a retired teacher so therefore I am the local go to person for being ‘the other side’ in the debate.
I also write editorials in some papers and there I get in a clash with the college crew.
I have asked many times for a debate. Not happening.
There is something called ‘Minnesota Nice’ and so it doesn’t get as caustic as it would elsewhere.
Also, several former students are now teachers and that gives me an in.
IN all of this, I have a responsibility to be as knowledgeable (and honest) as I can be.
So here is a recommendation. Nic Lewis as an article at Climate Audit. If you are like me, I had to go through it more than once — and more than twice. But it is well worth the study., I have had to learn a lot as a result of Climate Audit posts.
I was not well studied in statistics. and if have found that neither are most
as Gail states climastrologists. Unfortunately they use statistics for a skewed purpose and in pathetic ways.
BTW, A group calling themselves Minnesotans for Global Warming had a cute production on Michael Mann. Somehow, he did not appreciate it 🙂
We have a competitor for Gavin in the global warming stupid department.
The left has a very, very deep bench.
Yes they do, I just got stuck in a bit of stupidity with Appell over at the Daily Caller site about an EPA story. I don’t think his bulbs are screwed all the way into the sockets.
I just ran across Davey at another skeptic site this morning, the checks must have cleared yesterday.
I think you two are referring to the same guy I was arguing with over at Doc. Spencer’s site. If so, he sure seems to get around.
He is the worst kind of idiot, one with years of useless schooling that lead him to believe he knows everything.
http://davidappell.com/resume.html
David Appalling is a PAID Propagandist with a degree in Physics. Notice how he descends into Ad Homs and complete nonsense when he is cornered. Start Here
ARRGGHhhh forgot the link URL…
Start Here
Gail:
WOW! Thanks for the link to David Appell’s hissy-fit tantrum!
How did I miss that tirade? It perfectly fits the title of the article “A Kook Classic”
What a climate nutter!
Isn’t that a great example of the childish unintelligent Progressive CAGW believer?
I am surprised Tony let it go on for so long. On the other hand it may have tickled his sense of humor. After all why step in when your enemy is making such a fool of himself for all to see.
Well he took a pounding here: http://www.drroyspencer.com/2015/02/great-lakes-rapidly-freezing-over/
They were a bit politer to him than we were.