The measured US temperature data from USHCN shows that the US is on a long-term cooling trend. But the reported temperatures from NOAA show a strong warming trend.
Measured : ushcn.tavg.latest.raw.tar.gz
Reported : ushcn.tavg.latest.FLs.52j.tar.gz
They accomplish this through a spectacular hockey stick of data tampering, which corrupts the US temperature trend by almost two degrees.
The biggest component of this fraud is making up data. Almost half of all reported US temperature data is now fake. They fill in missing rural data with urban data to create the appearance of non-existent US warming.
The depths of this fraud is breathtaking, but completely consistent with the fraudulent profession which has become known as “climate science”
Looks like they are just continuing what they’ve been doing right along:
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/ushcn/ts.ushcn_anom25_diffs_urb-raw_pg.gif
Maybe they’ll start calling these adjustments “leap-degrees”?
There can be no question about that…
A new batch of 5,000 emails among scientists central to the assertion that humans are causing a global warming crisis were anonymously released to the public yesterday, igniting a new firestorm of controversy nearly two years to the day after similar emails ignited the Climategate scandal.
Three themes are emerging from the newly released emails: (1) prominent scientists central to the global warming debate are taking measures to conceal rather than disseminate underlying data and discussions; (2) these scientists view global warming as a political “cause” rather than a balanced scientific inquiry and (3) many of these scientists frankly admit to each other that much of the science is weak and dependent on deliberate manipulation of facts and data.
Forbes, Climategate 2.0: New E-Mails Rock The Global Warming Debate, 11/23/11
If as in new you mean 4 years old?
Climate change – it used to be called global warming, so here we are again with proof that the “scientists” will make the data say whatever they want it to say for the purpose of gaining more MONEY and CONTROL! All of this is nothing more than a ruse to generate funds and continue receiving federal grants funded by YOUR TAXES! This is not about the environment, once you realize this – you’ll come to understand why the lies and deception abound. Along with money I also think it’s about control. The current president is attempting (and I think almost has) to destroy the coal industry over what? That’s right, climate change! Control – by making energy prices higher and lining the pockets of “alternative energy” pioneers. Solyndra anyone?
While this is lifted from the book mentioned below it applies in total to the Global Warming crowd.
“Often in a German home or office or sometimes in a casual conversation with a stranger in a restaurant, a beer hall, a café, I would meet with the most outlandish assertions from seemingly educated and intelligent persons. It was obvious that they were parroting some piece of nonsense they had heard on the radio or read in the newspapers. Sometimes one was tempted to say as much, but on such occasions one was met with such a stare of incredulity, such a shock of silence, as if one had blasphemed the Almighty, that one realized how useless it was even to try to make contact with a mind which had become warped and for whom the facts of life had become what Hitler and Goebbels, with their cynical disregard for truth, said they were.”
The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by Shirer, William L.
You know what the hottest day in America is? Take a stab at it…
I really don’t understand how this can keep happening. In my job, I have to provide monthly reports to my superiors. Without having a degree in math or statistics, I can easily use excel to ‘adjust’ the numbers to create any trend I want. On paper, the numbers still add up, but I can splice and dice, and use smoke and mirrors, to create a desired trend. So I could easily go in month after month and show all positive trends, but eventually the divergence between what I say (surface temps) and what the finance dept says (reality) will become so great that I will be called out, investigated, then fired, and not necessarily in that order. Besides the fact that this would ruin my career any any future job opportunity, its morally and ethically wrong to lie about what the data says. How people can keep getting away with this is just crazy.
But you aren’t an eco-fascist – because if you’re doing things to “save the environment” then your’e allowed to do ANYTHING including wholesale destruction of the environment!
It’s OK for me to own a private jet and 12 huge mansions. I say the right things.
This isn’t about saving the environment. This is about what Leftist every where live to do … redistribute wealth, or better stated, make everyone poorer.
Only minor corrections:
Redistribute OTHER PEOPLE’S wealth and make everybody ELSE poorer
Realist ; I’m also angered by the unfettered way the warming mongers nonsense & obvious fraud is broadly accepted. Most organisations have systematic processes that
eventually exposes corruption. In a mainstream democratic society, an important safeguard is having a Press that if free of bias & prejudice.
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What is key to the continuing Global Warming Fraud is that a myriad of watch dogs
are effectively in the pockets of the fraudsters. Above all, the Media, the one area of open review has failed Society with many even driving the Global Warming mantra.
While driving the Greatness of Obama mantra
The mainstream media is nothing more than propaganda today. The only questions are: Who is driving these bizarre agendas and what is their endgame?
My longterm view of these monsters makes me fear for the worst.
The ones who produce the graphs and such hide the data they use and hide the models they use. They got caught with emails showing how they doctored the data and faked the visuals aids. Then they said they would fix it and made it seem an even greater temperature rise is occurring. The concept of taking just 135 years of geophysical data and try to make models and conclusions is silly – look at how long the Jurassic era lasted and how much warmer it was then and the amount of vegetation existed with the greater amount of CO2 and then reconcile that with the conclusions the so-called Climate Scientist have reached. The nonsense about the oceans rising without showing that the oceans are gaining in the amount of water in the should be grounds for ridicule. In many places like Chesapeake Bay they do not dredge the harbor because of oyster beds and clams – the silts from the shores are allowed to fill-up the harbor (happens with rivers as well) which raises the water at the coast. This is not the ocean increasing in size but the bottom filling up – occasionally the ocean with strong enough storms will clean out the harbors but that is a slow process.
Algore snackbar, and the Leftists from all walks of life including academia, politics, media and Unions. They believe that somehow, this attack via the environment will further their vision of a Socialist Utopia. The only trouble is that vision, time and again, has resulted in nothing but a mountain of skulls. What is the definition of insanity?
That’s an easy one: one-world government. When you face a global crisis, it demands global governance to solve. This has been the ultimate goal of liberals from the beginning – to bring everyone under the heel of a single government so they can force their agenda of so-called “global fairness”. Environmentalism, women’s rights, gay rights, etc., etc., all have the same goal.
Nothing new here, really. Anyone who has read Atlas Shrugged has seen the motivation behind the liberal agenda. Sadly, some conservative politicians embrace elements of this same agenda thinking they can push their own ideology. In their pursuit for power, they forget that conservatism is about minimal, highly-accountable government.
Excellent observation – I agree wholeheartedly!
For approximately 200 years, the media played an integral role in preserving our republic. Now, they’re complicit in destroying it. They have mutated from watchdogs to activists.
Wealth redistribution is the endgame especially redirecting a lot of the money into the pockets of people like Al Gore. This is his punishment for us not electing him President. He’s gotten very wealthy from selling his snake oil called carbon credits.
There is, indeed, a stunning lack of curiosity among the media elites on this subject. Contrary to what their mind is subjected to, on a daily basis, they allow themselves to be corrupted by those who say things they can not prove.
More than a “stunning lack of curiosity”. They support the effort to deceive. Most of them are complicit!
Regretfully, without the release of Climategate emails in late November 2009, most of us would never have realized that Stalin won WWII and united nations (UN) and national academies of sciences (NAS) into a worldwide “Orwellian Ministry of Consensus Science (UN)Truths” on 24 October 1945.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10640850/CHAOS_and_FEAR.pdf
Yes, private companies would be “outed” but this is government with the liberal msm guarding their “6” so it is only surprising that the deviations are so small!
Yes Paul, that is more a factor today. We should remember the way Government was exposed during Watergate; the issue of Govt. did Not hold back the Washington Post.
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I also agree with many others in that the Media has changed from being watch dogs to becoming compliciant to fraud… (this failing allowed WikiLeaks to partly fill a vacuum). If the main Media was performing “Real Journalism”; GW Fraud would be short lived.
You don’t work for the Federal Reserve, do you……
You wouldn’t be fired if your boss dictated to you to alter the data and that’s what is happening.
Hi Realist. NOAA is a Fed Govmnt creature. OF COURSE is is completely disconnected from reality. It is driven by the politics of the left, not science. Look at the “Justice” dept, or the IRS for your clue as to HOW?? this can go on.
I’ll tell you how it happens. Their superiors want the data to show a warming trend. Based on this looks like they’re doing a fine job. Raises all around!
I remember working in a research lab once and we ran tests day in day out to see if new designs were more efficient than previous designs… It was very common for us to end up faking data because we got pressured into doing it. I remember we ran a test which took several days to do, we got numbers that weren’t what the engineers expected… We were told we must have made a mistake and run it again… after 2 weeks of rerunning and rerunning the same test we just made up the numbers to give them what they wanted… It didn’t take us long to realize that no one wanted the truth they just wanted us to provide them data to support their expectations, so that’s what we started doing because lets face it who wants to run tests that require tedious and stressful work when the customers don’t respect the results. I think in the next year we probably only ran a real test 2 or 3 times and it was just for our own curiosity… all the results for the engineers were faked data we pulled from curves we cobbled together from data the same engineers would give us prior to testing their designs… Was pretty obvious they knew what was going on and what they wanted because in a proper lab we shouldn’t have even been given the data on what they expected us to find. It happens everywhere… never believe any research unless you do it yourself.
Obviously you don’t work for a liberally funded, federal run, Obomination.
the problem is the guy who is heading this department is a chicken little fanatic! like the guy at nasa. if you came with true readings like the sattelites showing the arctic in a massive growing faze of ice he would poo-poo it! why just recently the un panel came out as they have done yearly too claim the warmest on record, every time they do it i get a chuckle!
In my job, software, where certainty is an illusion, we sometimes encounter adolescents who say “I’m sure.” Its always good for a laugh, seeing the child humiliate himself. Just like when Al Gore said “Its settled.” It was worse for me because I’m from FL and watched Gore come down and lie to us in trying to manipulate the 2000 election which he lost. One more thing; did you ever take the volume of the 8000′ layer of breathable air, divide by the world population, then multiply by a reasonable rate for poisoning your allocated space? I came up with 60000 years and that assumes greenery does NOT mitigate carbon. So I just turn off the lights, recycle, and am grateful for the beautiful earth God gave me.
Gore tried to un-manipulate it after the crook Jeb stole the election for his brother. It figures you’re from Florida….LOL … people laugh at Florida now as a matter of course…
As long as climate “scientists” keep sounding the alarm about global warming, the politicians keep giving them money. The politicians want people scared so they are more easily controlled.
You don’t work for the most corrupt administration in US history, either.
I agree, but this is being reflected in government, politics and family attitudes as well. Its all about whats in it for the individual and groups. Its amazing to see how different this country, the attitudes and morality are today, compared to decades ago….
Two things: 1) figures don’t lie, liars figure and 2) now you know how the Bernie Madoff’s of the world pull off astronomical Ponzi schemes. And then you’re going to sit there and tell me that the federal GAO and any insurance company actuarial science forecaster is 100% legit?
The ones who produce the graphs and such hide the data they use and hide the models they use. They got caught with emails showing how they doctored the data and faked the visuals aids. Then they said they would fix it and made it seem an even greater temperature rise is occurring. The concept of taking just 135 years of geophysical data and try to make models and conclusions is silly – look at how long the Jurassic era lasted and how much warmer it was then and the amount of vegetation existed with the greater amount of CO2 and then reconcile that with the conclusions the so-called Climate Scientist have reached. The nonsense about the oceans rising without showing that the oceans are gaining in the amount of water in the should be grounds for ridicule. In many places like Chesapeake Bay they do not dredge the harbor because of oyster beds and clams – the silts from the shores are allowed to fill-up the harbor (happens with rivers as well) which raises the water at the coast. This is not the ocean increasing in size but the bottom filling up – occasionally the ocean with strong enough storms will clean out the harbors but that is a slow process.
Lying about the data is typical of liberals wanting to create a revenue source to correct a problem that does not exist.
If you work for the government there is no ethics. The end justifies the means. POTUS lies, why shouldn’t his workers?
You wouldn’t be fired if management told you to do it.
People have to get it: Its all about the money. i.e, Fed judges appointed by a dem lean liberal in their decisions, ditto conservative appointed Judges. Why? They know who there daddy is.
NOAA is fed funded. When they understand the money to prove global warming in fueling in from the whitehouse machine, they find global warming.
Science is pretty much a funded commodity and scientist know who their daddy is.
You are making the assumption that their supervisors are ethical and honest. Why are you doing that? Moonbeam Brown, Pres Hussein, you name them, tell me which ‘leader’ wants an honest assessment of the situation?
The difference is their “intentions” They can get caught making fraudulent data but in the end the media and the left will state that their mission was for the good of the planet and all will be ignored.
The only reason many of the AGW scientists have jobs is because they are willing to go along with the fabrication, which in turn brings additional government funding chasing the fraud. When the house of cards finally falls, the money will stop and a lot of people will lose their careers. The worst part is the damage this does to the credibility of science in general. Few will believe what “published” science says.
Trick is that your boss and company want the truth – if your boss and company wanted lies to artificially inflate the value of their stock and they were contributing enough money to the Obama Justice Dept to avoid prosecution then you artificially inflating the numbers would earn you a raise and a promotion.
AHHH…but…this is GOVERNMENT! You seem to have overlooked that little factoid. Math is math and, sooner or later, those irritating little facts will out. Then, in BUSINESS, you’re fired. In the case of GOVERNMENT, you get a budget increase. More seriously, in the scientific “community” one must “go with the prevailing wind”, contrary to the image of the bold, independent “searching for the truth” guys in lab coats. IF you have the temerity to go AGAINST the prevailing “wisdom”, you are simply excluded. No more research grants, no more papers published, etc., etc., etc.. So, you go along with the program and lie your head off!
That’s because you work in an environment with actual accountability. The Climate Mafia are mostly on the public teat in some capacity, and they spend their careers engaged in mutual admiration and intellectual masturbation.
In the private sphere, you have managers and owners who can get rid of dead weight in the organization. What’s the equivalent of “management” in the public sphere? Sinecured career bureaucrats? Elected politicians? The whole apparatus benefits from this charade.
Well maybe it’s because they aren’t making it up? Where is this guy’s evidence? He can’t just write 10 sentences claiming something without revealing how he came across the information…
But what would happen if you were in the government and needed the “facts” to support your policies?
“Global warming experts are saying that sea levels could rise 20 feet. Apparently their strategy for surviving this is to stand on top of a pile of government research grant money.” —Fred Thompson
LMAO — perfect summary of this fraud, which IMO is the greatest hoax of all time.
Realist
In reality you, like me, lack sufficient social status
we are not in politics, and we are not CEOs
we can’t deploy our golden parachute or retire to our Magnum PI Hawaiian beach estate before our social betters figure out what a bleeping mess we made of things
or at least blame it on us
it rolls downhill
or get a PhD and tenure
then we’re golden
true science left this along time ago when politics as a means to a end got involved!
John if you don’t agree with the consensus you can have a doctorate in a field related to Climate science and they’ll still go after you and try to destroy you. Just ask Dr. Willie Soon!
On the other hand, if your with the consensus your primary concentration can be in Political Science and still be considered an authority on climate. ie: Katherine Hayho.
Climate “science” – is a joke and an insult to all the real scientists.
Indeed.
A start at showing the proper respect to the “climate science” profession would be to require all of the attendees of the Pairs Climate Conference to wear red clown noses and oversized clown shoes. (water squirting flowers optional)
Such required attire would only be a start for the ridicule these frauds so richly deserve.
It is PlaySkool science ™ ……..for those who don’t want to do the real grinding hard work of real science. Plastic hammers and various shaped hole to beat the plastic parafuso into.
This is a religion, not a science.
Do you want to use my observations as the official DC temperature? My maximum temps are running a good 8-10 degrees lower than the “official” temperature at Washington National Airport. Having your temperature recorded over trees and grass is apparently greatly diffenent that having it sitting on asphalt and concrete, next to jet exhaust and air conditioning exhaust.
Yes, fraud became the main component of consensus science after Stalin won WWII and united nations (UN) and national academies of science (NAS) into a giant worldwide “Orwellian Ministry of Consensus Science (UN)Truths” that immediately changed the internal composition of the Sun from:
_ a) Mostly iron (Fe) in 1945 to
_ b.) Mostly hydrogen (H) in 1946
Followed by the FRAUDULENT:
1. Standard solar model
2. Standard nuclear model
3. Big Bang cosmology model
4. Anthropologic global warming model
Does this fraud include laws of motion and gravity (physics)? Chemistry? Nuclear chemistry? Evolution (biology)? Vaccination, viral and bacterial infection (medicine )
Add;
5. Spontaneous generation of life
6. Darwinian evolution
all the above have no scientific evidence and are easily disproven with simple mathematics and reliance on the laws of physics. They are an anti-God religion, not science.
Darwinian evolution has been disproven? Who knew?
Tony,
You are at your best with these sorts of posts. They show that the other side is cheating, cheating, cheating just to barely keep a failed theory afloat. Keep up this good work, please.
~ Mark
Thanks Mark
Mark, the entire fraudulent structure of post-WWII consensus science is at stake.
Yes, Tony, is now getting information past Stalin’s gatekeepers of pseudo-scientific knowledge!
i will second that mark. this is an essential resource to keep tabs on what is happening in the climate “data” collecting community. those working in climate science appear to have been indoctrinated during their formative years . there can be no other explanation as it is the only field where every single person involved appears to be singing from the same hymn sheet.
The only thing they know how to do is jump on the bandwagon, conform, and get grants. They are not smart enough, intellectually independent enough, nor confident in their own thinking abilities enough to do anything else.
I have to agree with Mark, this post was saved to my “Data Fraud” file, and sent out to everyone I know.
Thing I think is extraordinary, is that you can continue to use the words, FRAUD and CRIMINAL, and they don’t even attempt to take you to court.
Its almost as if you were daring them to do so.
This is pretty much absolute proof that they haven’t got a leg to stand on.
It’s because you’ve got no money Andy. No point in taking you to court to find you can’t pay them $$$$.
Hansen et al are really, *REALLY* getting desperate to keep the grant train rolling.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/07/27/climate-change-skeptics-may-be-about-to-lose-one-of-their-favorite-arguments/
I really loved this Hansen quote: “It will be clearer, give us a few more years,” he says.
However the quotation that burned-out my Bovine Excrement meter (miniature mushroom cloud) was the rave review from “Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics Discussions”: “masterwork of scholarly synthesis, modeling virtuosity, and insight, with profound implications.” (Note the utter and complete absence of any mention of teeny words like “accurate”, “reliable”, or heaven forbid, “factual”)
Yep, a masterpiece of “modeling virtuosity” aka a computer-generated fantasy climate model. Or as I prefer to call them: fact-free and reality free simulations for big cash / massive grants. Paris is coming, and my Bovine Excrement meter is already a smoking ruin.
When the money dries up so will the “science” .
But it is worse than that. There is now wholesale corruption within departments of the US government. Politically motivated bureaucrats are running the EPA, NOAA, NASA, DOJ, & the IRS. These swamps need to be drained, The next president needs to clean out these departments, and a lot of people need to be fired.
Agree. 100%. A lot of higher up GS types in those deptments need to be shown the door.
What, do you suppose, is the motivation behind this fraud. I cannot believe that scores of scientists and entire organizations would fudge the numbers for “eco” purposes.
For the “scientists” it is all about the money. As long as climate “scientists” keep sounding the alarm about global warming, the politicians keep giving them money. It has been shown they turn around and use some of the grant money to fund their own pet projects that they would otherwise not be able to get funding for.
For the politicians it is all about power. They want people scared so they are more easily controlled. The religion of global warming has become a massive fraud and corruption machine. The sheeple vote for the politicians who scream the loudest that the sky is falling.
I read an article the other day that said a maunder minimum will be coming in 2030-40. When summer temps equal current winter temps people will stop listening to them unless they start blaming that on us as well.
Don’t forget the money. The welfare state is broke. Keeping everyone scared is a good way to levy extra taxes to “prevent the catastrophic climate change from occurring”. In the meantime more money, more goodies to hand out, more votes, more power. The “climate experts” are only too happy to play along as long as the grant money flows.
Very simple: Power. (And I’m sure money and sex work their way in as well). We live in a cynical age. There are political/economic powers who desperately WANT a global crisis that requires extreme rationing of resources as a means of gaining greater power, culminating in either an actual or at least a de facto one world government (i.e. New World Order). In order to carry out that agenda there are scores of cynical scientist who will gladly accept money and other privileges to produce the “science” that supports the agenda, despite knowing it’s all BS. Sprinkle in a large contingent of useful idiots who are hyper vigilant do-gooders (with little understanding of how science works) and you have the mass hysteria we call Climate Change Alarmism.
Congrats Tony on making The Drudge Report……
We are witnessing the first events in the global apocalypse to come. I know there will be cheap shot artists following the PC model and making fun of what I say. They don’t seem to realize they are as much a part of the problem as the climate change “sky is falling” crowd. There is a giant movement that is gaining momentum every day. We get in bed with the worst of the worst in Iran and demand that our people hand over their money to countries that are the “victims” of climate change. It’s always easy to buy power with other people’s money. The end use of the power being gathered will shock the world. In short, we haven’t seen anything yet. Go ahead and stick your head in the sand and say it can’t happen here but then take a look at how it did go that way in a highly civilized country, Germany not to mention Japan, Russia, China, North Korea, Rwanda, Cambodia, Cuba, etc. etc. And countries like the UK are right on the brink of becoming total fascist states. And that is the goal of the power grabbers who make scape goats of anyone that doesn’t join the party and shout “Heil Climate Change” along with other fascist slogans. If you live much longer you will see the worst era in the history of man. The time of the return of Christ is at hand. But I’m guessing that 90% of the people here who act like they have some sense will falter at these words in spite of massive evidence. The Anti-Christ is gathering power and if you fight against Christ you are serving the dark side period. Don’t think it won’t happen. The plans our “leaders” have for us are staggering and they are just the tip of the iceberg. Evil is real and it’s coming to your town.
And of course a premier site that has been documenting this stuff for years is: http://wattsupwiththat.com/
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Are wealthy liberals around the world selling their beachfront mansions to avoid the rising seas caused by global warming?
Of course not.
Because they know better.
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Global warming (aka climate change) is the religion of the stupid.
zazzle.com/FirstPrinciples?rf=238518351914519699
The Climate Liars have never taken the Sun and it’s enormous impact on the Earth’s climate throughout history into proper account. Now that we have had two relatively tame solar cycles and the prospect is for a likely Maunder type minimun ahead one hopes all those that “cooked the books” to get grant money are called out and exposed as the frauds they are.
You’re an architect?
Worse yet…”urban” temps are where congestion (and therefore TEMPERATURE) have increased. It’s all a fraud when you increase the items that are absorbing and / on retaining heat. For example, if I have an open yard, then line the yard with a brick fence, the temps will rise, heat will be retained and therefore start the next day higher and give the appearance of an increase.
No kidding! We’ve been watching this for years! Validation and vindication! Just report it and it’s true. Those holding the mouthpiece really think we are bunch of idiots. Finally.
The one salient point in this fraud is simply this. Governments are creating laws around this garbage and innocent people are being harmed by those laws. “The ends justifies the means” mentality is on display.
What I want is justice. People harmed by these laws should be restored and those behind this scheme should be spending the rest of their lives in prison without parole. That includes both alleged scientists and politicians.
Not to mention world economies are being irreparably damaged, costing millions their livelihoods and incomes. Way to go you dumb ass sh*t spouting Dumocrats, sh*t eating Liberals, and Obama/Gore sycophants.
Congrats on the Drudge link …
According to that dumb ass Obama and his amateurs and clowns this is the worst THREAT the US is facing – and it’s ALL MADE UP! Good call Obama, you idiot. You should be hanging with the other idiot, 20 cars, two airplanes, and a 20,000 square foot house the famous “non-polluter” Al Gore.
“this is the worst THREAT the US is facing – and it’s ALL MADE UP!”
It is the worst threat BECAUSE its all made up.
And they have been getting away with it. !!!!!!!!
It’s been obvious for years that the libtards “Climate change” is pure fiction – just like Obama’s resume, college papers, and birth certificate.
Follow the money
Has a SINGLE, ONE, climate scientist noticed this? And written a paper on it? Like, you know, the scientific process…
Yes, many have but the Climate Alarmist have rigged the system so that dissent does not get accepted by the gatekeepers. Every scientist that raises such questions gets vilified has having been bought by “oil money”, never mind that the other side is being bought by “globalist oligarch money”.
Exactly. The climate goon squad immediately attacks them ad hominem, accusing them of taking money from big tobacco (Fred Singer) or big oil (Richard Lindzen), says they are too old to matter anymore (Freeman Dyson) or are simply mad (Murray Salby). They never attack their science, because they are too stupid to understand it.
The Republicans in Congress that ‘currently’ are against Climate Change solutions….are just holding out for more money
Thank you. I’d like to share this, but where’s the support? Are there a list of each fraudulent temperature reading with explanations? Are there before and after spreadsheets that we can download? Everyone who shares this puts their reputation on the line.
These are good questions. You don’t see a lot of this true skepticism here. It interferes with credulousness. Another question is whether the support is peer-reviewed, which it won’t be.
GORE’s fault for the B.S.
NOAA and NASA are both government agencies. The government wants proof of global warming, so they change the data to fit the request. The climate scientists live by government grants. If they disagree with global warming, they don’t get their grants. That makes it possible for politicians to point to global warming, backed up by science. Science that’s intentionally skewed by corrupt data isn’t science at all. It’s all driven by a political agenda, and it will also make Al Gore, and others like him very rich. Volcanic eruptions can easily cause more climate change than man and his machines. Will they outlaw volcanos too?
That’s true about volcanos but not because of the CO2 they make, which is much less than humans make. Volcanoes cool due to aerosols they emit.
My compliments to all of you independent thinkers! Now, let’s shift that perspective over to the political arena where both parties (but mostly the left) make the most outrageous claims on a regular basis and the press generally follows the approved narrative slavishly! Take back our country and our integrity.
Each of us should be mindful of our earthly contributions and be confident that the weather will be what it is. Time will tell who’s lied and who’s been truthful.
Sorry Spad. Time will not tell. Lies repeated over many years, unchallenged and drilled into young minds, become historical facts. Children today are being taught that the world is warming and that we have data to prove this. They have no way of knowing the truth. They were not here 30, 40, 75 years ago. Now fast forward 50 more years and 2-3 more generations. Who is left to refute what several generations of children have learned from this corrupt system?
These people are rewriting history.
There is also a SUBLIMINAL EFFECT BASED ON THE APPEARANCE of the charts that is easily overlooked by most people getting an impression from just glancing at the charts. Anyone can make the charts look more or less “scary”. The horizontal axis on three of the charts are divided by decades. Add more space between each decade and the rates of increase are not visually steep. On the vertical axis, the vertical increments shown above are extremely small. Decrease the distance between units and watch the rates of increase basically become a flat line. Viewers would come away with a completely different response.
C’mon…who didn’t know this has been going-on since day one?
Imbeciles…
I am 56 years old. This non-sense started even back when I was in college. That was over 30 years ago when I was an undergrad Astrophysics student at a Tier 1 college (ranked #1 in the world). For those unaware astrophysics is the at the top of the food chain in physics. Required competencies involved are comprised of ALL other sub categories of physics (nuclear, chemical, mechanical, fluid dynamics, etc).
You want to know who are the most ferocious “deniers” of this fraud? That would be astrophysicists. It my day it was a running joke across the board. Yes, we made fun of, and mocked these fools pushing this unscientific agenda.
And who is perping this fraud? Politicians and “meteorologist.” For those unaware a meteorologist is at the bottom of the physics food chain, if it could be considered part of physics at all. What we are looking at today is not a scientific endeavor. It is a political agenda. Nothing more, nothing less.
When a bloated buffoon like Al Gore becomes the face of anything under the guise of science, it is only then that you understand the sheer level of ignorance of the statement “the science is settled”.
Only a complete corrupt fool would make a statement like that. You really don’t have to be a scientist to come to that conclusion.
…wow!
Does our own government lie to us? Oh, never mind.
No surprise here. Any legit source of info has proven Global Warming to be a hoax…over and over again. And if you don’t believe the data is false…just read the emails from East Anglia, where the “scientists” openly discuss their FRAUD.
This is causing the explosive growth of the heads of the climate change priests. When reality interferes with a good story the natural reaction from the religious left is to scream louder and make threats. Their theology is trapped in the growing arctic ice.
LOL — Hope and Change (the temperatures)
I’m curious. You folks who think AGW theory is all a conspiracy. How could such a conspiracy be set up? How would it be possible to get scientists all over the world…totally disconnected from each other, working in widely separated laboratories, in very different disciplines…all on one page with the “falsified” data?
Is there a central hub of the conspiracy that sends out orders to all the climate scientists around the globe? What has prevented even ONE scientist from coming forward with any evidence of this conspiracy? Do the ringleaders of this plot somehow know in advance which scientists will be open to participating in the conspiracy?
Is there a central research center where huge amounts of data are fabricated in order to supply material for the thousands of research projects and the tens of thousands of papers and articles supporting AGW theory that have been published over the last few decades?
Is there a world authority that can tell all of the major scientific organizations around the globe that they have to endorse AGW as fact? Remember, these organizations don’t get grant money. So, how are they all somehow convinced to participate in this campaign of lies? Hell, the Geologic Society of America’s membership probably consists mostly of people in the energy industry, and even they have come out with a statement clearly endorsing the idea that the planet is warming and humans are the main cause. Why would they do that?
Have the millions of peripheral people…that scientists who review the papers, the editors and publishers of the papers, the science writers and other media people who write about the research, and, the smart people, the folks who read the papers and decide that they make sense…have ALL these people somehow been bought off or persuaded to join the conspiracy?
What force has been used to cause government leaders around the world, many of whom are complete enemies, to agree to set aside their differences in this case in order to advance the conspiracy?
Remember…the whole conspiracy falls apart unless each and every one of the things I’ve listed happens just as described…in absolutely perfect secrecy.
Seriously, HOW ON EARTH WOULD SUCH A THING BE POSSIBLE??
Easy, I’ll admit that some of these so-called scientists are smart….maybe even above average in intellect. But in the world of research science – much like that of a politician – they spend time chasing the next grant, they receive the grant, then start to chase the next one.
Let me ask this: How many federal grants are out there to “disprove” AGW? How many federal grants are out there to “prove” global cooling? So if you are chasing the next grant, and you want to have many more available to you in the future, you learn quickly to play the game.
These scientists want to eat, provide shelter for their family, etc and they want a steady income stream.
Wheat a joke. The energy industry is spending hundreds of millions of dollars in their campaign to discredit AGW. If there was actual research to be done that contradicted the current consensus, they’d fund it in a heartbeat. Are you really dumb enough not to see that?
Classic liberal argument, attack your opponent personally and insult their intelligence. Way to prove our point.
I didn’t insult you, I asked you a question. Let me put it another way. Surely you are not so uninformed that you are not aware of the fact that there is a huge industry out there who would pay large sums of money for ANY documented evidence that AGW was not a fact? How’s that?
Eric, when someone says that there is no money available for research to disprove global warming, in the face of the fact that the oil industry alone has spent hundreds of millions of dollars for that purpose, what choice does on have except to think that person saying that is either being deceptive or is simply ignorant?
Mike, it’s simple. The Human Caused Global Warming theory isn’t based on science. It’s based on beliefs. The climate has been changing for four and a half billion years. It’s never been static. The liberal mindset puts agenda before data. If we can use a partial truth or even a lie to reach our agenda, then that’s what we must do. The vast forests in California are burning to ashes now because this same mentality has made it almost impossible to harvest timber, and thin the overgrown forest that is the result of their “protection.”The liberal agenda is to “protect” the earth from mankind, and lying or twisting data in your favor, is no big deal when you have an agenda.
So, every publishing scientist in the world, every scientific organization on the face of the earth, and all the science journals are ALL just “liberals” who are ignoring science and going with their “feelings” instead?
DO you realize how utterly stupid that sounds?
Hey Mike. You would have done very well in Nazi Germany. “You mean to tell me that eugenics is wrong, when EVERY eugenics scientist in the world, and EVERY published paper on eugenics, everywhere in the world, has proven time and again that Aryans are the supreme race and Jews are inferior and need to be destroyed? Are you some sort of conspiracy theorist, you think that all these eugenics scientists are wrong, but NOT ONE scientist has ever come forward and told Hitler that he was an asshole?”
LOL!!! Do you REALLY think that there was a worldwide scientific consensus supporting Hitler in the 1930s and 40s? My god, you people think like eight-year-olds!
Yes, there was a worldwide consensus among eugenics scientists. The way there is a worldwide consensus among global warmunists.
Try again. There is a worldwide consensus among chiropractors that cracking your back can cure scoliosis. All papers published by chiropractors agree, all chiropractor groups, agencies, blah blah blah agree, and they are the experts on the subject, and they regulate themselves. Problem is, they are wrong.
Morgan, I’d love to see you cite ANY evidence for a worldwide consensus among scientists that Hitler was correct in his racial theories.
The consensus among climate scientists about AGW spans a WIDE variety of disciplines in the natural sciences. It is not just some narrow group of “global warmunists.”
Why do you think the Geological Society of America, which represents most of America’s geologists, made an official statement that says, in part:
“Decades of scientific research have shown that climate can change from both natural and anthropogenic causes. The Geological Society of America (GSA) concurs with assessments by the National Academies of Science (2005), the National Research Council (2011), the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2013) and the U.S. Global Change Research Program (Melillo et al., 2014) that global climate has warmed in response to increasing concentrations of carbon dioxide (CO2) and other greenhouse gases. The concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere are now higher than they have been for many thousands of years.
Human activities (mainly greenhouse-gas emissions) are the dominant cause of the rapid warming since the middle 1900s (IPCC, 2013).
If the upward trend in greenhouse-gas concentrations continues, the projected global climate change by the end of the twenty-first century will result in significant impacts on humans and other species. The tangible effects of climate change are already occurring. Addressing the challenges posed by climate change will require a combination of adaptation to the changes that are likely to occur and global reductions of CO2 emissions from anthropogenic sources.”
Morgan,
This may come as a surprise to you, but there is PLENTY of scientific evidence that shows conclusively that much of the claims if chiropractors are bogus.
Why is there NO published evidence that AGW theory is incorrect?
Oh my God. You are perhaps the biggest idiot since David Appell. No published evidence? Ha ha LOL holy freaking shhhh. None? ROTFLMAOUICB.
I just published that. Right here. Published.
Mike,
Here is all the published evidence you need:
http://www.hyzercreek.com/hoax.htm
Who does your peer review? The hole in your backside you pull your data from?
Peer review has nothing to do with science. That’s journalism. The editor of a journal gets a paper reviewed by peers of the author. Idiots like you think science is based on peer review, because you are blubbering fools. Science, as all real scientists know, is based on experiment and repeatability. Show me one experiment on global warming, and show me somebody who repeated it. None? Then STFU.
Bless your heart. You have a nice day now. When your break is over, be sure to put your crayons back in the box.
What an idiot. You probably actually believe that science is settled by counting up all the government paid science cranks and subtracting all the true scientists that are placed on the government black list. You obviously are a communist and I will now continue to follow the 3 rules of Dee Dee Ramone.
Be nice to mommy
Don’t talk to commies
Eat kosher salami
Hamilton– it’s not some “big conspiracy”, it’s just simple good ol’ corruption….
The CAGW “scientists” have been VERY careful to incorporate get-out-of-jail-free card excuses in their pal-reviewed papers and reports, which they’ll effectively use when testifying at the inevitable Congressional and Senate hearings…
For example, the IPCC and many “scientists” have been very careful to admit in they’re a bit confused about cloud formation or even whether they have a net warming or net cooling effect….
They actually know clouds have a net cooling effect, but they’ve created a convenient paper trail to blame their contrived ignorance of cloud’s net forcing to avoid doing jail time for fraud.
The “scientists” also aren’t hiding the fact they’re making these huge adjustments to the raw data and even have pal-reviewed papers to “justify” these “adjustments”…
Anyway, Hamilton, even the CAGW advocates realize the gig is up…
The empirical evidence shows CO2 may cause around 0.5C of global warming per doubling, which is all they need to avoid being convicted of malfeasance… They’ll simply claim they were right all along that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, but were “just off a little” on their temp projections because, “they didn’t fully understand cloud formation and cloud feedbacks.”
It’s corruption at its best… The scarier the CAGW predictions, the more grant funds they get….
@Mike Hamilton, I don’t think AGW is a conspiracy, more of a movement. Researchers don’t need orders, just a shared belief that AGW is real. And they need to believe that they have to prove it fast before big energy spreads enough lies that cuts their funding to save the planet in time. Few if any wake up wanting to falsify data, but they hedge just a little with bias in data sources, models, reporting, and little things add up.
Major scientific organizations may or may not accept grants, but their donors, associates and industries depend on tens if not hundreds of billions of dollars that flow almost exclusively to AGW supporters. And many of those supporters are true believers, and become very McCarthyesque against organizations that appear to help “the enemy”. I don’t know anything specific about the Geologic Society of America. Perhaps it felt its mission had nothing to do with global warming and their refusal to endorse it was leaving them isolated and attacked.
Regarding big oil, why would an already vilified energy company speak out against AGW? It would be boycotted, and for what? It’s not as if there’s anything viable AGW advocates have to replace their product anytime soon anyway. And as alternatives slowly become possible with government subsidies, who’s going to get the contracts to build them? Is it going to be corporations that lampooned the movement that promoted government funding their development?
Regarding the millions of peripheral people, most are either dependent on experts and/or have careers that dependent on at least being friendly to the AGW movement. How rare is a person who decides to spend hundreds of hours researching what will at best give him an opportunity to oppose his friends and/or cripple his career? Why not just go along with the rest, like those in Iran shouting, “Death to America”, but not really meaning it in order to keep that teaching position, those powerful connections and have lots respect in the community? After all, even if AGW isn’t true, think of all the funding it sends to research for alternative fuels, reduced pollution, and baby seals. Besides, who doesn’t hate big oil anyway?
And why wouldn’t “government leaders around the world” want to do something that enables them to temporarily empower themselves to reallocate trillions of dollars from capitalist enterprises toward the public good, regularly reminding voters of it, and subtly remind their opposition of what they need to do to be on the receiving rather than the giving end of the pipeline. How many of them believe more in their own brilliance rather than the goodness of free market capitalism. And if soulless international capitalist industries are destroying the planet and need to be controlled to save it, doesn’t that prove that that people such as themselves should be entrusted with a little more authority over other defective industries as well?
And what movement needs “each and every” thing to fit together perfectly or “absolute perfect secrecy”? Only a tiny percent of colonial Americans were initially for war against Great Britton and they were a headless mess. Germany was the worlds’ greatest example of enlighten progressive thinking in the 1920s and Iran was arguably the most progressive, educated and developed Islamic nation in the 1970, but both societies were overwhelmed by imperfect movements rather than perfect conspiracies before they became police states.
I had a little experience with a few AGW people in the beginning of this movement. I briefly volunteered for The Latin American Peace Network (or something like that) in college thinking my experience in USMC Intelligence there would be of use. They gave me a menial job, so I quit the second or third day. On my way out, I finally had a quality conversation with the 2nd in command. He said they were getting out of the whole Central America thing, that, “Green is where it’s at man!” I’m sorry to say that it took me several weeks to recognize that the only thing the two had in common is anti-capitalism. That was the only shared value among initial leadership that was needed for both movements.
Nothing new here…only for the eco-fascist watermelons who are using the environment to implement the Gore/Obama Marxist/Socialist agenda.
Climate change PROVED to be ‘nothing but a lie’, claims top meteorologist
THE debate about climate change is finished – because it has been categorically proved NOT to exist, one of the world’s leading meteorologists has claimed.
John Coleman, who co-founded the Weather Channel, shocked academics by insisting the theory of man-made climate change was no longer scientifically credible.
Instead, what ‘little evidence’ there is for rising global temperatures points to a ‘natural phenomenon’
In an open letter attacking the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, he wrote: “The ocean is not rising significantly.
“The polar ice is increasing, not melting away. Polar Bears are increasing in number.
“Heat waves have actually diminished, not increased. There is not an uptick in the number or strength of storms (in fact storms are diminishing).
“I have studied this topic seriously for years. It has become a political and environment agenda item, but the science is not valid.”
Help me out here, please. I don’t pay much attention to this subject but came across this post and find these charts simply remarkable. Here’s my problem: I can’t forward the post to friends because the conclusions seem as settled as the ‘changers’ science. Has the USHCN refused to provide any alternative explanation to these adjustments, such that ‘fake’ is an accurate description? For goodness sake, this group apparently works out of the Oak Ridge National Laboratory. Does Oak Ridge not have accountability or employ the discipline of methodology? Are untenable explanations for these dramatic variations the group’s only defense? Do they not have some rationale, however weak it may appear? If not, what other scientists eat lunch with them at Oak Ridge? Some type of justification for the verdict “fake” would make this post much more powerful for the readers who don’t have knowledge of all the back stories.
Do they no professional ethics? Does ideology indeed trump all?
Perhaps this might provide some clues…
A new batch of 5,000 emails among scientists central to the assertion that humans are causing a global warming crisis were anonymously released to the public yesterday, igniting a new firestorm of controversy nearly two years to the day after similar emails ignited the Climategate scandal.
Three themes are emerging from the newly released emails: (1) prominent scientists central to the global warming debate are taking measures to conceal rather than disseminate underlying data and discussions; (2) these scientists view global warming as a political “cause” rather than a balanced scientific inquiry and (3) many of these scientists frankly admit to each other that much of the science is weak and dependent on deliberate manipulation of facts and data.
Forbes, Climategate 2.0: New E-Mails Rock The Global Warming Debate, 11/23/11
If it has to do with anything the Federal Government says you can be assured it’s a lie.
this is the one lie the socialist left will never give up. it is their religious foundational claim. without it there can be no universal personal carbon tax dictated by the global government to come. and without the tax there can be no confiscation of personal property which is the ultimate goal. Public school grads likey likey. So does Hillary, although believe me, she will always eat at the fat cat table along with the ruling class.
I learned one thing as a young Navy man who became interested in Weather as a hobby and to support my Air Traffic Control knowledge base. Weather data only went back to 1880’s. Before that, nada. I know way back when that we knew pretty much zilch about long term weather patterns since there was no records to compare. Still aren’t.
Is there climate change. Yes of course. It existed since day one. The problem, it changes very slightly over a long period of time. Is there global warming? Who knows? Where’s the long term data to prove it one way or the other. All I know is winters in Minny have been getting colder and longer the past five years not warmer and milder.
“Data tampering” is actually called adjusting or adjustment and it has been highly scrutinized and upheld in the science community. It help accounts for data gaps, siting issues, instrumentation changes, and a boat of other non-climatic signals that get into the record. I honestly will never read the replies to my comment so go ahead and make them but know that this isn’t an issue of opinion, this is a matter of fact and fiction. The majority of Americans, citizens of the world, and scientists agree that this is real. Your denial not only is unsubstantiated it puts you on the wrong side of history.
Idiot. All the adjustments made, always, make the past cooler and the present warmer. So all the innocent adjustments due to instrument changes, data gaps, siting issues, which you think would go one way 50% of the time or the other way, but instead go one way 100% of the time, how much of moron can you be, to believe the adjustments are valid?
Morgan, thank you for your comments. I have included recommended reading on the validity of adjustments. These publications represent our progress and confidence in adjustments made to the USHCN temperature series, among several others. They are the work of a multitude of researchers, from different entities, publishing work in a host of different peer-reviewed journals:
– Baker, D. G., 1975: Effect of observation time on mean temperature estimation. J. Appl. Meteor., 14, 471–476.
– Balling Jr., R. C. and C. D. Idso, 2002: Analysis of adjustments to the United States Historical Climatology Network (USHCN) temperature database. Geophys. Res. Lett., 29, 1387, doi:10.1029/2002GL014825.
– Cocheo, C., and D. Camuffo, 2002: Corrections of systematic errors and data homogenization in the daily temperature Padova series (1725-1998). Clim. Change, 53, 77-100.
– Durre, I., M. J. Menne, and R. S. Vose, 2008: Strategies for evaluating quality assurance procedures. J. Appl. Meteor. Climatol., 47, 1785–1791.
– Guttman, N. B., and C. B. Baker, 1996: Exploratory analysis of the difference between temperature observations recorded by ASOS and conventional methods. Bull. Amer. Meteor. Soc., 77, 2865–2873.
– Hubbard, K. G., and X. Lin, 2006: Reexamination of instrument change effects in the U.S. Historical Climatology Network. Geophys. Res. Lett., 33, L15710, doi:10.1029/2006GL027069.
– Karl, T. R., C. N. Williams Jr., P. J. Young, and W. M. Wendland, 1986: A model to estimate the time of observation bias associated with monthly mean maximum, minimum, and mean temperature for the United States. J. Climate Appl. Meteor., 25, 145–160.
– Karl, T. R., H. F. Diaz, and G. Kukla, 1988: Urbanization: Its detection and effect in the United States climate record. J. Climate, 1, 1099–1123.
– Karl, T. R., and C. N. Williams Jr., 1987: An approach to adjusting climatological time series for discontinuous inhomogeneities. J. Climate Appl. Meteor., 26, 1744–1763.
– Menne, M. J., and C. N. Williams Jr., 2009: Homogenization of temperature series via pairwise comparisons. J. Climate, 22, 1700–1717.
– Menne, M. J., C. N. Williams Jr., and R. S. Vose (2009), The United States Historical Climatology Network Monthly Temperature Data?Version 2, Bull. Am. Meteorol. Soc., 90, 993– 1007, doi:10.1175/2008BAMS2613.1.
– Menne, M. J., C. N. Williams Jr., and M. A. Palecki, 2010: On the reliability of the U.S. surface temperature record. J. Geophys. Res., 115, D11108, doi:10.1029/2009JD013094.
Thanks for posting these. I’m one of the few people actually on the fence. I’ve been looking at the striking effect of adjustments in a couple of stations from the 1940s to the 1970s. Hopefully those articles will help clear that up.
I would have liked Goddard to explain his data processing steps.
I’m afraid the Balling article didn’t have the intended effect. On the contrary, it concludes: “our results strongly suggest that the present set of adjustments spuriously increase the long-term trend.” But I’ll keep reading.
If “Data tampering”/adjustments alone turned cooling into heating for such a politically issue, both versions should be published with supporting reasoning for the primacy of each.
Tampering with government data and filing false government reports is illegal. Someone needs to go to jail for this.
Don’t worry, be happy. Big Brother knows what’s best for Big Brother.
I work for/at NOAA. Without exception, the conservatives don’t believe in man-made warming while the libs DO.. without QUESTION. Science is truly dead
If you work for NOAA/NCDC it is not in a role that advises on science issues. You would not be commenting, nor in the manner you did.
A friend posted a cartoon listing all the ancillary benefits of spending money on AGW that was meant to chide them for opposing it even if it weren’t true. I responded that I always figured that was why so many went along for the ride, but that it was short sighted because science in general would take a hit. That’s also why they can’t ever let their hoax be discovered. It’ll probably take a generation at best for the truth to be widely known.
Reblogged this on Illuminutti.
The more the Warminista’s have beaten their drum, the more jaundiced an eye I have focused in their direction. They seem to believe in the Environment, Gaia and Global Warming as a religion rather than a science.
Troglodytes!
I don’t know about the US but it is hatter than Hattie in Southern California, the rivers and dams are dry, and there are wild fires every where. However, I do remember it being like this in 1991.
…..AAAAAAANNNNND this weather monitoring organization is purchasing firearms with OUR tax dollars? Why, to shoot warm clouds???
How true..on your statement about “religion”. They are complete zombified zealots!
Their real religion is Misanthropy. All the environmental stuff is a manifestation of that religion, which is really about justifying depopulation of all those humans they despise.
The most astounding irony is that they don’t recognize that Pope Francis’ support for their “cause” enforces that view in people’s minds.
The next time you talk to a global warming nut, ask him or her this simple question. Ten thousand years ago there was an Ice Age and there were glaciers in Michigan and Wisconsin. The glaciers melted or receded back thru Canada. Ask the idiot how many SUV’s and humans were on the earth to cause the ice to melt because of CO2. Idiot won’t be able to answer.
Nice I will use that! Thanks
I’ve been using that argument for years and you are right. None of the warming weenies have been able to answer it.
They don’t have to answer it! Being a liberal is never having to say you are sorry or that you were wrong.
The warmists reply to this seems to always be that the causes of previous periods of warming and cooling were related to totally different causes and was not comparable to today’s situation.
But we will never win that argument with them because they simply don’t care!
Better yet, ask how many times they have crossed over the George Washington Bridge. Ask if they know how many glaciers it took to form Long Island.
Well said, Brian. Kind of sums up the absurdity of global warming hoaxers!
Good question Brian, fact is there are several possible things that can cause climate change. Bottom line though climate change can and does happen. Wouldn’t a reasonable person look for what causes climate change. I hope the scientists ar
e wrong, but what if………..
….or for the cows/methane crowd: Ask them why the millions of American Bison (Buffalo) that once roamed (and pooped on)the Great Plains didnt effect the climate but our beef cattle do?
I’ve used that before, with the additional fact that there about as many domestic cattle as there were bison, the latter being significantly larger, and correspondingly more flatulent than your average cow. All I get are enough crickets to stock a bait store! (And besides the Great Plains on this continent, there is also the Serengeti over in Africa.)
The Ice is melting on Mars, too. Dang those greenhouse spewing Rovers!
The peak of the ice age is when global warming started. Michigan was under about a mile of ice at that point.
Just this week, I did read a response to a news story, the poster claimed that human camp fires brought us out of the last ice age. Oh, it was a news story saying that Greenland’s ice sheet could melt before the end of this century causing a ten foot rise in sea levels. I don’t think that we could melt it that rapidly if we raised global temps 10 degrees today till the end of the century. The energy isn’t there.
You’ve touched on the real issue which they are trying to cover up. The end of the Halocene Inter Glacial Period. I went back to school a few years ago to study Soil Morphology which involves glaciations. The Halocene is coming to an end an they don’t dare tell us the truth about that because there isn’t a damn thing they can do about it and it means 100,000 years of glaciations. Far worse than “global warming” which is just a cover. The truth would cause wide spread panic so they will avoid it as long as possible. The scientists have probably been bought with government grants and claims of the greater good.
Yup! My thoughts exactly.
There is a response. It’s a weak response because it’s not true, but it is a response. They say that the rate of warming now is far greater and the change is too rapid for the ecosystem to adjust.
Also mention that 150 years ago there were about 60 million american bison running around emitting huge amounts of the greenhouse gas methane,a much more potent offender than is carbon dioxide in terms of the climate. Take away those bison and what happened?? There should have been some easily demonstrable effect caused from that.
Try this…https://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-change-little-ice-age-medieval-warm-period.htm
Meaningless. There never has been an answer to the salient question: Was the Earth warmer because there was more CO2, or was there more CO2 because the Earth was warmer? Never mind the fact CO2 only makes up a very, very small percentage of greenhouse gases, which are dominated by water vapor. You do know that Cook, who runs that activist blog, by his own admission is just a cartoonist, right?
@Mike Hamilton: Please do not use the skepticalscience website as a reference for anything. It is run by a cartoonist turned climate activist named James Cook out of Australia. John Cook is most known for the paper he co-authored in 2013 claiming the 97% consensus in the field of climate science that man is the cause for the majority of the Earth;s warming over the last century. On further investigation into his methodologies it was discovered that he and several of his co-conspirators through out a large portion of the data and classified papers as agreeing with the consensus when they contained no such language. Out of the over 11,000 papers his team investigated only around 50 actually fully endorsed the theory of Catastrophic Anthropogenic Warming. Around 0.3%.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/09/09/97-climate-consensus-denial-the-debunkers-debunked/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/05/21/cooks-97-consensus-study-falsely-classifies-scientists-papers-according-to-the-scientists-that-published-them/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/06/01/tol-statistically-deconstructs-the-97-consensus/
In addition to that, John Cook has recently been found to have been committing identity fraud against Lubos Motl for several years now.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/07/23/yes-why-does-john-cook-of-skepticalscience-and-the-97-have-to-use-identity-theft-in-his-research/
I don’t know about you, but I refuse to take the word of a man with no moral compass seriously. If he would lie about these types of things then there is no telling what else he will or already has lied about. It is commonly said that the Skepticalscience site deletes the comments of those that disagree with it.
the glaciers receded because of the forest fires caused by global warming that was caused by the heat from the fires. you deny facts. the great abama has spoken
Nearly 12,000 years ago. Ask him how much CO2 we should emit to prevent the near inevitable onset of the next ice age, which is due any century now…
Thats NOT a good argument. Of course all ice ages end with warming as part of a natural cycle. Ice ages are normal just as warm phases are. You want to look for periods that defy the normal periods.
There are at least 3 or 4 known periods when it is believed there was no ice anywhere on Earth. Temperatures and atmospheric CO2 were much higher than even predictions for 2100 are. There were also at least 2 known periods of time when the earth was covered 100% with ice. This is of course all pre humans.
Look – I am all for cleaner fuels and energy. There are obvious health reasons why we dont want to burn fossil fuels and some other earth science reasons why taking trillions of gallons of liquid from inside the earth and burning it is a bad idea. But please – lets stick with science not fear.
There is so much that is involved in earths climate that most humans have no grasp of. The obvious stuff are things like the seasons (distance from the sun and tilt of earth) that most people think about. Oceans and the circulation of currents are huge, earth events like volcanic eruptions can have an impact. Most people dont realize the Sun itself has an impact beyond simply “is it hot today”. The sun goes through cycles, first in 11 year spans but over a much larger time frame there are cycles where the sun is much less active than it is today and cools the earth. Earth magnetic poles occasionally swap and some wonder what impact that may have.
Another area of research just being looked at is our solar systems position within our galaxy. Our solar system takes 250 million years to complete 1 revolution around the galaxy. During this time our system bobs up and down in the currents of space and moved in and out relative to center. In space are pockets of hot gas and gold gas. Some scientists have wondered what happens if (when) our system passes this one of these regions? We dont know and probably dont really want to find out.
Everything scientists say about climate change is pure theory. Now, depending on the validity of the data the theories are compelling. But even if the data is accurate its still just a theory that no single human can honestly say will 100% become fact. Because humans have never lived in a serious period of climate change to record the results and only until many years have passed after climate change really happens and completes will humans be able to more clearly say why the change happened.
Thank you for your thoughtful comments. Refreshing to read, compared to some here.
Right on Brain , the ice sheet extended as far south as Salina KS 20,000 years ago ,also noteworthy was at the time the ice sheet over Salina was 5,000ft thick. Stats come from Kansas State University.
The official global warming temp sensor of this valley is in the part that is least populated, records the hottest temperatures of the valley, has the greatest temperature swings. Incidentally the NWS station is over 100 miles away in a city with a population of 1 million and near the coast so it gets cool breezes from the ocean.
And we are to take your word for this? Why?
So why still lie about a warming trend???
Because there is money, and control in it (taxes, specifically). Democrats never let a “crisis” go to waste.
So, you’re telling us you live in a valley that’s more moderate in temperature than the location of the monitoring station. Did they intentionally position the station so that it would register the highest temperatures?
There is a website out there that researches global temperature sensor placement. It’s called Watt’s Up With That. They have found sensors on top of buildings next to A/C units and in the middle of asphalt parking lots, among other insanely hot places.
So, who’s been fired for this? I’m sure they’ve cleaned house, correct? After all, publishing false data in a federal agency is a federal crime, correct? Oh wait, this is the Obama administration we’re talking about.
So, who’s been promoted, given a cabinet position and nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize?
Good luck with all of that.
They wouldn’t fire them. They would simply transfer them to the IRS , the Veterans Administration, and NSA.
Talk to Hillary, when the government is perpetrating the fraud they are too interested in prosecuting it. Its sort of like Hitler’s justice department prosecuting the Nazis.
Sorry ….should read NOT too interested.
I have family in SF and they believe EVERY word the left utters. Insanity.
Looks like NOAA needs more gubmint money to continue the lie.
According to RSS global satellite temp data, there hasn’t been a global warming trend in almost 20 years, despite 30% of ALL man-made CO2 emissions since 1750 being made over just the last 20 years:
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1996.6/plot/rss/from:1996.6/trend/plot/esrl-co2/from:1996.6/normalise/trend/plot/esrl-co2/from:1996.6/normalise
The discrepancies between CAGW’s hypothetical projections vs. reality already exceed 2 standard deviations, which is sufficient disparity and duration to disconfirm the CAGW hypothesis. In 5~7 years, the discrepancies will likely exceed 3 standard deviations, which is when the CAGW hypothesis can be run through a wood chipper….
The ONLY reason this disconfirmed CAGW hypothesis is still around is because of the massive raw data manipulation being conducted by CAGW advocates, which is costing the world $trillions for absolutely no reason whatsoever…
In the real world, if some businessman got caught committing a fraud that led to the theft of a few million dollars, he’d be thrown in jail for decades… But, alas, government hacks seldom deal in reality and they’ll likely get away with the largest government theft in human history involving $10’s of trillions of taxpayer dollars….
And so it goes…
“We were only following orders”
Wasn’t there a group of people in late 30’s to mid 40’s Germany that were “only following orders”?
“Often in a German home or office or sometimes in a casual conversation with a stranger in a restaurant, a beer hall, a café, I would meet with the most outlandish assertions from seemingly educated and intelligent persons. It was obvious that they were parroting some piece of nonsense they had heard on the radio or read in the newspapers. Sometimes one was tempted to say as much, but on such occasions one was met with such a stare of incredulity, such a shock of silence, as if one had blasphemed the Almighty, that one realized how useless it was even to try to make contact with a mind which had become warped and for whom the facts of life had become what Hitler and Goebbels, with their cynical disregard for truth, said they were.”
The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by Shirer, William L.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005Z57E18
Yes, Bill, that was a common defense by the Auschwitz SS during the Nuremberg Trials…
That defense didn’t end very well for those Nazi swine..
$trillions are exactly the reason. There’s gold in them there lies.
They are global marxists. Their goal is the destruction of capitalism, in particular, and western civilization, in general.
Have a nice day.
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More info on how ‘global warming’ is simply a fraud.
The easy solution to all this is CAP AND TRADE A COMMIE !!! But trade for what? A World Caliphate? We are the Evil Capitalist according to Karl Marx that needs to go down. Never give up you FREEDOM. Never. Not even with soft Tyranny.
I guess we can go back to calling it “Human caused global warming” now.
Very clever.
And with all of this glaring data, surely now the MSM will jump on board in calling this fraud what it really is…… *crickets*
The summer of 1988 was brutal. The tiny cable company in the tiny town I went to school in had very few channels and much of the time I watched WGN out of Chicago. I distinctly remember weatherman Tom Skilling saying that Chicago had recorded more 100 degree days that summer than it had since records began. Today if you check the NOAA “records” you will find no 100 degree days that summer. I wish I had the time to pull archived hard copies of newspapers from those days. I wonder whose memory is wrong?
Winston Smith is beavering away at NOAA and NASA to alter the temperature data history to suit the liar-in-chief’s agenda.
It’s 1980’s Pravda-style propaganda.
Into the Memory hole!
3 days 100+ in that 1988 heatwave according to the Trib. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1995-07-26/news/9507260199_1_heat-wave-humidity-center-for-climatic-research
So I’m skeptical. Of everything I read, not just the stuff I don’w want to believe. If you go to http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cdo-web/datasets/GHCND/stations/GHCND:USW00094846/detail
and look at June, July, and August, it lists 7 days where the temp was 100 or higher. So Mr. Russell, where is NOAA changing the data?
Does this help? http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2002-09-15/news/0209150216_1_summer-degrees-average-temperature
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1988-08-03/news/8801200749_1_humidity-transformer-heat
THE Deviate Dems have Left their “Carbon Skidmark” on the World Stage.
This is not man’s biggest problem
It does not seem like commies aka “wealth redistribution”, that seems like a coping thought.
It does not seem like those in power have any intention of distributing anything but body bags. Looks like that money is going up and staying. Coping with a couple or three billion people who’s life concept is that of a feckless dependent is man’s biggest problem.
71 years ago intelligence was systematically inflating the number of Allied troops facing Germany across the channel. One German officer recognized the problem and, just as systematically, adjusted the figures back down. Unfortunately for him, fortunate for us, the original numbers ceased to be inflated while he continued to make downward adjustments. Just how wrong his final numbers were was exposed in June 1944. We can only hope climate scientists have a similar D-day epiphany. Popcorn should be given out free that day.
Global Warming is scientism on steroids.
Lol, fitting a linear model to highly periodic time series data and claiming to be able to predict a trend. You r-tards are preciously stupid.
One can easily see the spread between the real data and the adjusted data without the linear curve fit. Duh!
Prof X,
While I agree in principle that linear fitting 95 years of data, when there is an underlying ~60 year cycle in climate temperatures, is a dubious proposition, but you fail to acknowledge the real point of the post.
The real point is shown in the “final minus raw” plot. Those “synthetic” + adjustments are being systematically made to the more recent data, while the less robust past data is slightly cooled. Which makes no scientific sense in light of increasing UHI effects with urban and suburban growth patterns over the past century in the US.
Further, a plot of those synthesized adjustments versus the M-L CO2 record since 1958 shows an R^2 of better than 0.95. That is far too high to be coincidence. It srongly suggests an acive manipulation at work, unless one is ideologically blinded to that truth. But it is still true, none the less.
As an aside, anyone who calls herself/himself a “Professor” and starts out a comment with “LOL” demonstrates a weak, malleable mind, IMO.
Read this about Maine http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/05/noaa-caught-rewriting-us-temperature-history-again.php
The cause is all that matters. it is all about the cause. The facts do not matter unless they support the cause.
The social and political trend in the USA for quite a while.
Refer to Mao, Alinsky, Stalin, Obama, Marcuse and Marx (Karl) concerning the cause.
This was a comment I made on the “Who is Steve Goddard” portion, but it applies here as well.
I like how several people on this web site believe only individuals with degrees are capable of intelligent, coherent thought. I also enjoy their arguments that science is based on the opinions of others (peer reviewed). Since when was fact based on how many agreed on it being fact?
With that off my chest, I would like to point out a very simple matter that would help clear up a lot of confusion. The world does not have a global temperature. The world is not a person whom you can stick a thermometer into its mouth and get a temperature. We have devices throughout the world that take various temperatures and then average them. We have already started with the false premise that a global temperature exists. It is an average of all temperatures. I could easily manipulate the data by averaging in more of the hotter temperatures than the cooler temperatures, or vice versa.
Second, have we even been measuring the data long enough to establish if this is a pattern or a deviation from the pattern? Why do we continually bring everything down to the human lifespan level? Patterns could take 100s or 1,000s of years to show but we just assume it has to be shorter.
Thirdly, people are dishonest. I don’t doubt the machines and equipment for the most part, but does anyone believe that someone who has dedicated their life to something would willingly come out and say I was wrong, I lied and I will return all the awards and money I received for my work? Very few people will tell on themselves. Instead, to avoid embarrassment and punishment, they will lie their faces off.
D.Sanchez
http://dresdencodak.com/2011/04/19/dark-science-09/
I studied the raw data, back in the 90’s, while attempting to develop temperature and other weather indexes for Dow Jones, to be used for managing weather risk. We never created the indexes because the data was questionable, at best, and made up, at worst. The data goes back over 100 years but there were huge gaps in many locations that NWS simply took the average before and after to fill in the gap. Gathering locations changed quite significantly over the years, i.e. from a farm to an airport. Initially this wouldn’t have much of an effect on the data because both locations are flat and sunny, but when jet planes replaced prop planes the temps suddenly jumped. The discovery of the heat island effect convinced NWS to move recording locations out of cities and to the suburbs, again creating data gaps.
The data produced today, while significantly more accurate than 50 years ago is still statistically questionable, to say the least. The newest tool they use in declaring global warming is underwater measuring devices to track temperatures in the ocean. They have a couple of thousand of these devices scattered over a rather small area, and at different depths, and from those readings they make assumptions for the rest of the oceans. This is about as meaningful as going to a college campus and asking 10 students who they like for president and then declaring 60% of adults back Hillary.
Read this about Maine temperatures http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/05/noaa-caught-rewriting-us-temperature-history-again.php
There are hundreds of NOAA weather stations placed right next to highways all across America, directly in the local heat islands produced by warm concrete. Move those thousands of instruments 60 yards West and GLOBAL WARMING DISAPPEARS.
FOLLOW THE MONEY – the Global Warming Cult’s priests lose out on TRILLION$ if they tell the truth.
I like to ask the “warmers” why Greenland is called Greenland, especially when they complain that its ice is melting!
Actually, the vikings discovered Iceland and Greenland. To confuse settlers, they called the best land for farming Iceland, and the worst land for farming Greenland. Maybe the Vikings were the first Leftist?
Wrong. Greenland was discovered and named during the Medieval Warm Period when it was green. Iceland was discovered and named before the MWP, when it was ice.
My history book, written in 1952, claims that the Vikings called it that to divert explorers from the island known as Iceland. Iceland as you know is habitable, and Greenland just had a few centuries of habitability.
https://www2.ucar.edu/atmosnews/news/1036/record-high-temperatures-far-outpace-record-lows-across-us
All part of Muslim outreach, comrades!
Check out the record breaking temperatures
https://www2.ucar.edu/atmosnews/news/1036/record-high-temperatures-far-outpace-record-lows-across-us
Last two years were the exact opposite. This year is an El Nino.
Do you know of a temperature system called USCRN?
It was established in 2005 to provide a even spaced, untainted temperature surface data (like the satellite troposphere data)
Since it was established , it has recorded COOLING in the USA of about 0.3C/decade.
I am sure their justification for this will generally fall under the category of “normalizing” the data, particularly since few people even know what that means.
I do demographic research in the healthcare industry and have to normalize data on a regular basis so that we can use it in predictive models of healthcare trends. Normalization does NOT mean you fill in missing data points with assumptions (that are certain to be biased). It simply means you calculate KNOWN DATA points against an objective standard of measure so that you are comparing apples to apples when reporting.
A clever statistician can use the the guise of “normalization” to manipulate numbers to say whatever they like, particularly if they are not fully disclosing all of their reporting methodology. In the rare instance that you have to “plug” an unknown value with a best guess, you have a obligation to DECLARE THAT FACT with a disclaimer, not try to HIDE it through obfuscation.
Pope Francis cries, “Ay caramba!”
The one thing that is clear is that our government thinks we are stupid sheep, and there is nothing wrong with lying to the sheep … if it’s for their own good. And Leftist will decide what’s good and bad for the unwashed.
Scientist’s don’t necessarily generate sales or revenue, they mostly live off of grants. If I were a scientist and wanted job security I would be very tempted to fudge some numbers to help generate a scare in order for more grant money to be directed towards my department or particular field of science. The bigger the scare the likely more money is sent my way.
Al Gore, is frankly a genius, he and some of his buddies saw an area they could exploit and were successful at creating the global warming scare. Carbon tax? wow, brilliant! Subsidizing the (failed) solar technology industry? Awesome! We all paid for it and a few got filthy rich from it before making a quick getaway.
Scientists are good but you can’t trust some of them. They’re people too, with families to support and a regular life to live just like the rest of us. Unfortunately when it comes to job security there’s a conflict of interest at play. We have all been trained to trust the scientist and the so-called science they stand for but its sad we now have to look at their motives and then ask the question, is it true?
Once again, FOLLOW THE MONEY!
Human caused Global Warming is a Red Herring to make the great unwashed accept Cap and Trade and freeloading scientist(?) keep their grants. Then the Government has another monumental bureaucracy to control our lives. Bingo! Another freedom lost.
NOAA, and all the alphabet agencies of the Leviathan have been corrupted to the point none can be trusted with the truth. Science is up for the highest bidder.
I ask the question when I am told that the carbon dioxide is the highest it has ever been: “Where did all the carbon come from to form our coal and oil and gas reserves?” It stumps them or they will go into a political rant about the energy companies propaganda.
The socialist joo Federal Reserve bank and the socialist joo media push Global Warming as a way to further line their greedy socialist joo pockets.
The greedy socialist joo Federal reserve bankers just printed themselves SEVEN TRILLION DOLLARS UNDER OBAMA, but that’s not enough.
I guess none of you stupes have ever heard of QUANTITATIVE EASING…….
The debate is over! Republicans are science deniers! They believe in some sky fairy not the one true God Alvin Gore. Any scientist that disagree with man made global warming must be fired!
We need a carbon tax, so we can redistribute … er, I mean … save the planet.
It’s Albert Gore, not Alvin .
Somebody send this to the Pope.
Follow the money.
Above all else and before anything, follow the money.
http://moyhu.blogspot.com/2014/05/nonsense-plots-of-ushcn-adjustments.html
This thread is now a Drudge Report linked story. That’ll make Tom Karl, NOAA’s Chief Climate Data Adulterer, cringe. Love to see the emails between him and John Holdren.
I know the fascists/commies lie all the time about everything, even the obvious, but I have this question:
why there are such discrepancies in reported temps to begin with, in 1920 measured was 53.5, but they reported 52??? Did they 100 years ago start this con?
please – widest dissemination – spread it around
This temperature denial stuff is such BS and so laughable. Check out this and then tell me how things are cooling
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2015-07-20/monster-el-ni-o-makes-record-hot-year-look-inevitable
Satellites show that that claim is 100% fraudulent
The only thing organizations like NOAA accomplish is to discredit themselves in the eye and mind of the casual observer.
Sunday on CNN Farid Zakaria had the head of NASA Dept for climate study showed a picture of Antarctica with receding ice, I froze the TV on that picture and looked at the 2015 picture of current ice status of Antarctica on Internet and it showed a completely different situation, blatant misinformation. His solution Tax fossil fuel. Last year a science ship sent to Antarctica was stuck in ice that was not supposed to be there.
They are all criminals
If there is a buck to be made, truth is often the first victim.
What was the effect of 800 oil wells burning for up to eight months in the Gulf War? Nothing why a cover-up. this should be ground zero on temp data
I’m curious. You folks who think AGW theory is all a conspiracy. How could such a conspiracy be set up? How would it be possible to get scientists all over the world…totally disconnected from each other, working in widely separated laboratories, in very different disciplines…all on one page with the “falsified” data?
Is there a central hub of the conspiracy that sends out orders to all the climate scientists around the globe? What has prevented even ONE scientist from coming forward with any evidence of this conspiracy? Do the ringleaders of this plot somehow know in advance which scientists will be open to participating in the conspiracy?
Is there a central research center where huge amounts of data are fabricated in order to supply material for the thousands of research projects and the tens of thousands of papers and articles supporting AGW theory that have been published over the last few decades?
Is there a world authority that can tell all of the major scientific organizations around the globe that they have to endorse AGW as fact? Remember, these organizations don’t get grant money. So, how are they all somehow convinced to participate in this campaign of lies? Hell, the Geologic Society of America’s membership probably consists mostly of people in the energy industry, and even they have come out with a statement clearly endorsing the idea that the planet is warming and humans are the main cause. Why would they do that?
Have the millions of peripheral people…that scientists who review the papers, the editors and publishers of the papers, the science writers and other media people who write about the research, and, the smart people, the folks who read the papers and decide that they make sense…have ALL these people somehow been bought off or persuaded to join the conspiracy?
What force has been used to cause government leaders around the world, many of whom are complete enemies, to agree to set aside their differences in this case in order to advance the conspiracy?
Remember…the whole conspiracy falls apart unless each and every one of the things I’ve listed happens just as described…in absolutely perfect secrecy.
Seriously, HOW ON EARTH WOULD SUCH A THING BE POSSIBLE??
They need more people like you to swallow their lies, spoonfed like a little baby.
LOL…you got NOTHING, do you?
It was decided in the 1960’s in the Report from Iron Mountain that a common enemy would have to be created to control the masses. Some common enemy for everyone to fight against. That enemy was the environment. And yes, the conspiracy has been going on for a long time. Read The Creature from Jekyll Island. Watch http://infowars.com (free info) or http://prisonplanet.tv (paid subscription, support the freedom movement) You will learn how much is controlled by the globalists, including the media. Any day, look at the headlines on all the major papers, they mirror each other. You will only find out things that are not being published by going to the alternative press, of which Infowars is one of the leaders. When they report, they give camera shots of the data where they are getting the information, just so people know they are not making it up. Remember The Emperor’s New Clothes…the only one who could tell the truth was the little boy who was not one of the king’s men. By the time many people understand how they are being used, they are deep into it with careers, educational loans to pay off, large mortgages, etc., they have taken out thinking they could settle down and work the rest of their lives to pay these things off. All of a sudden they find out that to be a whistleblower they will probably be demoted, lose retirement (watch what happens to whistleblowers in government agencies). There is a high price to pay. Or, they find out they have been working for criminals. And, when it comes to “throwing someone under the bus”, it is usually the lower level peon who goes to prison, while the upper echelon of management goes free (ever seen a banker go to prison? a lot of times the charges are dropped or they are slapped on the wrist with a relatively minor fine). Again, read The Creature from Jekyll Island. Learn about the Bilderbergers, etc., these elite organizations that do make controlling policies for the world. Truth is stranger than fiction. Oh, and incidentally, a lot of their plans are put out in novels and films. It becomes plain what is going on when you know the background. You will also understand why certain stories are covered, why certain stories are ignored, why certain stories disappear from the news, why certain people never have anything happen to them, why certain things happen, why certain people commit suicide…rather…are suicided. It becomes like a chess game. You will see moves, countermoves, it becomes very plain. When you understand the high-level agenda, the rest becomes plain. In terms of secrecy, a lot of the Nazi scientists were brought over to this country under Operation Paperclip and it has gone on from there.
Alex Jones, ’nuff said.
The answer to your first paragraph is money.
Your second paragraph, the IPCC, and thousands of scientists have come forward (idiot)
Your 3rd paragraph, GISS and NOAA
4th, the IPCC
5th, it’s not a conspiracy, it’s propaganda, and what you describe is it always works. You think government propaganda is something new?
6th, money
7th, you are an idiot
8th, money
5th, it’s not a conspiracy, it’s propaganda, and what you describe is how it always works. You think government propaganda is something new?
Simple. Follow the money. And, though you would like to believe the line that 97% of climate scientist agree with AGW, that itself is a lie. There are quite a few who study climate who disagree. But, their views don’t wash with the desire for money and control (world wide problem needs a world wide government to solve) and the left stream media only reports the science of those in disagreement on an inside page, not out front in large headlines.
1) There are billions of research dollars at stake.
2) If you don’t toe the line, you don’t get published or get tenure.
3) You don’t enter the field of climate science unless you are predisposed to believe there is a problem with the climate.
You are trying to rationalize with a bunch of conspiracy theorists. Tin-foil hat wearing, Alex Jones watching, New World Order Illuminati believers. Low IQ and lack of education on top of that. Give it up. They are all nuts.
Bravo! You forgot Dunning Kruger, Koch brothers, ExxonMobil, big tobacco, and you misapplied the bit about New World Order. That’s you guys. You got them ass backwards.
“Low IQ and lack of education on top of that”
Ah.. how introspective of you.
I think Michael Mann has and IQ of 400, and that his hockey stick was dropped into the un-mentionable basket by the IPCC after being their billboard, simply because Lisa Grimaldi and others like her have so much moral high ground that they don’t even need to use graphs anymore … because the ‘debate is over’. Whether you wear a green or a brown shirt, you are still the same under the skin Lisa: a fraud.
Would you like some straw to help build your straw man arguments? … I can offer a hockey stick which might help build the spine of your straw man! Jump back on your band wagon, you fell off and landed in a field of sanity.
Follow @SteveSGoddard, @tan123, and @hockeyschtick1 on twitter, all engineers with very interesting climate info and observations.
What, exactly, do engineers know about climate change? That’s like a group of biologists criticizing bridge design…
Engineers are a crusty lot and can be relied-upon to examine data for completeness and accuracy before accepting said data as valid.
Engineers generally have very sensitive bullshit detectors and most will call fraudulently altered data a steaming pile of fraud.
Given the massive discrepancy between the satellite data (accurate and trusted) and the massively massaged NOAA/NASA (government) ground station records, one has to ask why? Qui Bono? (Who benefits?)
So, who better to document shoddy “climate science” statistics than a bunch of Engineers?
Who better to point-out the fallacies of the computer generated fantasy climate models (that cannot even replicate the effects of clouds!!!) than a pack of inquisitive Engineers?
After all, if the mann-made hockey-schtick were real, it would be those same Engineers working for solutions.
Mike H says:
“What, exactly, do engineers know about climate change?”
More to the point: what do you know about “climate change”? Do you have a degree in one of the hard sciences?
You sound like one of those folks who gazes at TV commentators, head-nodding along with every ‘global warming’ and ‘climate change’ assertion they read to you from their teleprompters.
Earth to Mike: I’ll bet not one of those talking heads is well educated in the hard sciences. So why would you believe their narrative?
There’s an agenda at work, but you don’t see it…
Propaganda ‘could’ be considered a hard science I guess. Goebbels was a psychological scientist.
I thought the IPCC head was a railroad engineer from India (and a rapist): true story!
A scientist who is not first an engineer will never understand the topic of his/her study. One must be able to take something apart, understand the function of each and how interaction between those parts can produce what would be unexpected results based on the functional results of each part of itself (the sum being greater than the whole). Or must be able to design and build a model which can serve the same purpose. These are the tasks of the engineer and the scientist.
When Engineers fake data, people die! And said Engineers most likely go to jail! So as Shazaam says, they do have very sensitive bullshit detectors!
(From an IT guy who has the “pleasure” of working with a large group of civil engineers.)
John Coleman (weather channel founder) blew the lid off these frauds in 2009. Not only are they making up bogus temp readings, but these clowns were placing temp reading stations (thermometers) in places that don’t meet the correct criteria, such as on a black tar roof next to a hot exhaust vent of some industrial building. Coleman did a 2 hour tv special here in San Diego, and before it was over he was getting calls from the goddard center to cease and desist. What does that tell you?
Could you describe Coleman’s background in climate science?
Just wonderin…
Could you describe yours?
Just wonderin…
Mike learned everything he knows about climate science in a tent during one of the Occupy Wall Street rallies he attended.
Mike – here’s a simple question no Global Warming troll has ever answered for me: The city I live in, Chicago, was under almost 1/2 mile of ice 23,000 years ago. That was about 13,000 years before civilization even began farming. What caused that ice sheet melt? Was it a)man made global warming or b)exhaust from the rockets of alien visitors or c)the cyclic nature of climate on our planet. I’ll sit in my SUV with the engine running and wait for your response.
Since Mike has given no answer, please allow me to answer this question for him:
ANSWER: There was no climate before the invention of the automobile, because that would require the alarm-o-sphere to not frame the ‘debate’: a heresy against objective ‘science’.
… pooooof … and the mediaeval warm period was memory holed.
Meteorologist
Those glaciers melted over the span of about 75,000 years – with the most aggressive melting occurring between 25,000 and 21,000 years ago. We are now seeing similar glaciation over a much shorter time span, 150 years, in a more northern area (Alaska, Greenland) hope that helps.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2972130/Global-warming-s-effects-glaciers-revealed-Amazing-shots-disappearing-ice-past-125-years.html
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_glaciation
I’m confused. The last two charts say USHCN fake but the headline says NOAA fraud.
They actually say USHCN Data that was faked. The raw data is held by USHCN and NOAA is “interpreting” the data – because, of course, we are too stupid to understand how to read a thermometer. 🙂
USHCN = NOAA
United States Historical Climate Network (USHCN) was developed at NOAA. It is comprised of 1218 weather collection stations in the contiguous United States. This means that NOAA is responsible for the data you see on the USHCN data charts. Sponsored and supported by the United States Government… Think about it…
The USHCN (United States Historical Climatology Network) are where the data originates (collection points), and the NOAA is the body that compiles and ‘adjusts’ that data for presentation.
The comparison is the collected data versus what was reported
The first one is Final numbers minus the Raw (or actually measured numbers). So it shows how much they deliberately changed the Raw USHCN numbers. The final chart show the percent of data that they deliberately changed. You can see that in 2015 they changed (or faked as the writer called it) nearly 50% (half) of the data.
It is ‘measured’ vrs ‘reported’, not USHCN vrs NOAA
Go read the first 2 sentences again. USHCN reports raw data. NOAA takes the USHCN data, adjusts it however it deems necessary, whether that be scientific or to meet an agenda, and reports the corrected data. The discrepancy is between the raw data and the corrected data.
There is a second issue with the data. NOAA has disproportionately reduced the number of rural reporting stations. Yet, they continue to provide “estimated” temperatures for these ghost stations by smearing (“homogenizing”) the remaining stations – largely urban and influenced by UHI – over the discontinued stations.
You will continue to be confused if you continue to read the garbage that Stevengoddard produces.
What he isn’t telling you is that the U.S. temperature record was designed for weather forecasting and not for long term climate research. As a result changes in the way temperatures have been measured over the decades must be adjusted out of the data in order to make it as uniformly consistent as possible.
The principle change in the measurements that constitute the USHDN network has been a change in the hour the measurements are taken.
There has been a slow shift over the decades from measurements taken in the evening to measurements taken in the morning.
Morning air is obviously cooler than evening air, in general, so in order to make modern measurements compatible with evening measurements the values of the modern measurements must be adjusted upward slightly to compensate.
Now, if you don’t like data adjustments of this kind, then you can ignore the NOAA analysis completely and look at the Berkeley Earth analysis of the raw station data.
Berkeley Earth uses a cleaner method of analysis in which discontinuities in the station data are identified. Once identified the discontinuity is resolved by matching slopes before and after the discontinuity.
This is possible because the absolute value of the temperature is not particularly important, the change in temperature is what is being tracked.
You are an idiot And a liar.
Do you honestly believe that anyone takes you and your ilk seriously anymore? The data is fake. The scientists are lying. You are either a patsy or liar yourself. No one is buying your snake oil any longer no matter what label you put on it.
No one.
You people are laughing stalks. Glowbull warming hoax is made fun of on SNL for God’s sake. The most liberal trash program outside of MSLSD.
“Laughing stalks”, omg that is the funniest thing I’ve ever heard. Yes, we big stalks of celery are laughing at you nutjobs, because you are the only laughingstocks of society.
“What he isn’t telling you is that the U.S. temperature record was designed for weather forecasting and not for long term climate research.”
USHCN stands for United States Historical *Climatology* Network
But … But….. But……
The house of cards is finally starting to fall.
that’s strange. I don’t think that i’ve changed the way I read a thermomiter in years.
If the scientists were making legitimate adjustments to the data, why do they only adjust the numbers upward?
Yet the Michael Mann Hockey Stick ICON has disappeared from the wall of the Church of Green, right when the alterations ramp up … funny that … did you need to create a new icon for the faithful to worship?
Answer us this: Do you respect the science of Michael Mann?
The first graph shows the raw data in Red and the reported data in blue. If you’ll note the blue data is consistently lower than the red data before 2010. This is because when temperatures are taken in cities and urbanized location the temperatures tend to record higher due to the missing trees and natural vegetation being replaced by paving, rooftops, low cut lawns etc. They typically used to report lower data than what was instrumented because it was a correction method for the missing natural vegetation that would have kept the area slightly cooler and this gives them a better idea of what the surrounding larger area temperatures are which is useful in local weather predictions. It’s an accuracy correction for the broader surrounding country side/regional temperature.
What is clear is that around 2000 they began to shift the margin of suspected error due to urbanization and by 2010 they had matched the instrumented data and are now currently reporting higher than instrumented measurements. The lower graphs show by how much they began to falsify the corrective data. Corrective was below instrumented data and slowly became actual instrument data numbers and is now reported above instrumented Data thus the reported data method has been altered midstream collection and reflects an increase in temperature… it is either underhanded or scientifically unsound to change the urban correction method midstream of a data run and claim you’ve noted a substantial climate change. So the scientist responsible are either complete flunkies or liars for a political cause. It would appear these pseudo scientist appear around 2000 and or just before and begin to falsify the former urban temperature corrective adjustment method.
Only 100 of the 1100 US measuring stations are accurate to less than 1 degree, the rest are off by 2-5 degrees or more. So not only do they make up data, the data they do collect is not accurate, especially since the so-called world rise is 2/10 of a degree. This is in the US, where we have “good” measuring equipment. Imagine in the 3rd world how much their stations are off. Oh, and BTW, they never, ever are off in the cold direction, always in the warm. Fishy huh?
So the eastern pacific is cooling?
The US Data is being modified to show a warming trend when it is actually cooling. The eastern pacific could still be warming, but the average for the country is cooling. I hope this helps.
You are complicit in the fraud Juan!! Duke never mentioned the eastern Pacific and never said it is cooling. But since you need a footing to stand on you create a strawman argument. Congratulations you are officially a climate scientist: make sh!t up and attack anyone who disagrees.
California is having another ‘Socialism Drought’ which always seems to follow the adoption of such heavy handed state systems, like what happened to Stalin, Mao the Ethiopian Marxists, etc.
I am looking at the killing fields that used to be my front lawn. You are so correct it hurts. Oh, yes…and my water bill will be insane because of tiered rates to subsidize the people who voted for this nonsense.
We had hardly any snow last winter.
Exactly. Many of the reservoirs were kept in “drain mode” in order to keep this or that minnow or snail or mother-in-law alive. We went through a pretty severe drought episode here in Texas, pretty much throughout the Republic of Texas. The judicious release of water from the various lakes kept them at least a bit relevant. A very wet past 18 months have filled most of the lakes, after five years of sparse precipitation. The snickering term, “Socialism Drought” is not sophomoric. It is accurate, and we should all snicker at the idea of saving something that will probably just move further down the channel. If the California Department of Parks and Wildlife had truly been concerned they would have adapted breeding tanks for the threatened minnows, for instance. California is essentially a barely functional insane asylum.
David Christian Newton “A very wet past 18 months have filled most of the lakes, after five years of sparse precipitation.”
When do you intend to have the subsurface aquifer that is still being drained, refilled?
The only drought in California is in intelligent rational people..
Not at the moment,
because there is an El Nino!
The eastern Pacific IS cold…. the Humbolt Current is one of the coldest on the planet taking arctic water down to the Galapagos.
http://www.ifrc.org/en/news-and-media/news-stories/asia-pacific/papua-new-guinea/thousands-go-hungry-as-freak-cold-wave-hits-papua–69124/
Where do you get this claim about accuracy from? Have you seen the gage R&R studies? Temperature is easy to measure, so I’m dubious about your assertion.
I am not disputing your claim, but could you provide your source because you know the GWAs will be screaming.
I have seen nothing to indicate the measuring stations in old CCCP which closed when the Union collapsed have reopened. These locations recorded moderate temperatures which lowered world averages, but if they have not resumed operation, temperatures averages will show increases.
Russia mis-reported their data for decades. Russian meteorologists in cold climates were allocated heating oil in proportion to how cold the weather was. So they reported artificially lower temps to get more oil. Once the linkage between oil and temps was abandoned, the meteorologists began reporting honest numbers, which of course were much higher than what they used to report, which then showed (erroneously) large increases in temperatures.
Sounds a bit like the supply of grant funding on western climate science institutes … communism never changes its spots.
No, they are off in the cold direction plenty, but only when they are going back and correcting historical data. Unfortunately they have corrected the historical data colder so much that now pretty much all they can do I make things artificially hotter.
I designed a built a digital thermometer that would have been capable (technically) of measuring down to .01 degrees. I took it to an in house ANSI Standards lab we had, and the guy just laughed at me. The had no way to calibrate something like that. He went on about how nobody measures temperatures like that.
So much of what they’re saying, is actually mathematically obtained, like averages. It’s not measured.
Not only what you said is true, but remember a while back when they had a “scandal” of having weather stations in places like parking lots (with black top) and outside heat vents on buildings etc…. A HUGE number of these stations were placed so there’s no way they could obtain accurate data other than rough trends (like “winter/summer”).
I’ve not read anything about those weather stations being corrected. The whole thing has been a scam for years.
You are confusing the concept of accuracy with the concept of precision.
Accuracy is a measure of how closely a given device reproduces the results of a standard device.
Precision is a measure of how closely repeated measurements match each other.
For climate change measurements the “accuracy” of a thermometer is not relevant as only the differences in the measurements are used to compute how much warming or cooling there has been.
Scientists know how to measure things.
Those who do not should refrain from making silly comments.
And those who run cover for lying weasels intent on defrauding the entire planet, but especially the rich countries should have red hot pokers jammed in their lying pie holes.
You seem to be particularly ignorant/brain-washed about these things.
It is you that should refrain from making silly comments
I see. Your using NOAA reported vs USHCN measured, then you shift terminology to USHCN fake by the end of the article. Don’t you mean NOAA fake? Presumably the USHCN measurements haven’t been corrupted by “tricks.”
USHCN is the data NOAA uses
The revised USHCN data compensates for the shift in the time of measurement taking from the old time (evening) to the new time (morning).
Is it your opinion that there is no difference between the air temperatures in the morning compared with evening temperatures?
If thee are differences, shouldn’t they be compensated for?
How do you explain how Berkeley Earth produces the same results as USHCN (modified) via a different method that uses no such data adjustments?
Mindless gibberish
Did you know that USHCN has a cooling trend since it was “regulated” by the new USCRN in 2005 ?
Anything that is as massively adjusted as the GISS, NOAA, HadCrut data become absolutely worthless for any scientific purpose..
Suitable ONLY for base level propaganda to brain-wash the low-end intelligence of people like you.
Why on Earth would the time of the measurements be switched from evening to morning if the historical records are all evening measurements? What dynamic changed in measuring like-for-like that USHCN would throw doubt over the entire historical record by deciding to change the goalposts?
My first thought would be, that alarmist ‘scientists’ were finding it hard to cover up the lack of rising temperatures like-for-like, so they deliberately decided to muddy the waters so as to use plausible deniability to cover their claims of rising temperatures.
Basically, the rule of thumb in modern climate ‘science’ seems to be that there are three methods to cover up the truth:
1) Use crooked methods in the models (the failed Michael Mann method)
2) The Big Lie method: Just use media and political apparatchiks to constantly repeat a lie and never waver on telling the lie (A damn good technique that never fails)
3) Deliberately obfuscate the scientific method behind the collation of the data itself, thus throwing the entire historical record into a grey zone that even your opponents can no longer use as evidence against your frauds (Replacement Plan B for option 1 having failed).
Method 2 is the most diabolical and useful, but doesn’t by itself claim scientific foundations, thus Methods 1 and 3 need to be juggled in the background to create the image of institutional consensus just long enough to get a Global Treaty (PARIS 2015) that ensnares sovereign nations forever.
Great job screwing over centuries of progress towards liberation from oppressors. Thanks for consigning my child to a future of feudalistic technocracy by your open deception, blinding ignorance, or just down right indoctrination by group think. What Hitler and Himmler failed to do last century, a creeping technocracy has managed to do just 70 years later. Science is NOT consensus, and thermometers work quite fine like-for-like … quit with your jargon disguised cover ups for scientific fraud.
asdf,
Quit moving the goal posts. Duke pointed out that 1,000 out of 1,100 temperature stations are 2º – 5º off. Yet these government bureaucrats claim to know past temperatures to within a few tenths of a degree??
Satellite data — the most accurate global temperature data there is — shows that global warming stopped almost twenty years ago.
The NOAA’s and USHCN’s “global warming/climate change” narrative doesn’t square with accurate satellite data. Those agencies are still trying to promote the “man-made global warming” hoax, despite decades of real world evidence that debunks their claim.
Looks like they’re lying. For money and job security. Big surprise, huh?
I’m not moving the goal posts. I was confused by what Steve wrote. I still am. There was another post prior asking for clarification that didn’t get modded up. You’re seeing my second post.
In the language of this article, the story starts out NOAA reported is warming, USHCN is cooling. Then the story ends up, USHCN is faked. There are a number of problems with the prose that I found hard to follow.
“They fill in missing rural data with urban data…” So where does the fill in occur? Is it the “NOAA reported” or the “USHCN measured”. I would expect “measured” to be as recorded. So then I expected the last charts should have been “NOAA reported” is faked.
And just to defend myself, I don’t buy the AGW hypothesis.
asdf…..USHCN = NOAA
Reality: All the money in the world can’t stop global warming or global cooling, whichever you may think is happening… yet, with the Prog’s it’s all about spending other peoples money and personal sacrifice.
Gut Check: Why do you think that is?
asdf….the first chart is raw measured USHCN
the second chart is how much the total raw data was adjusted by NOAA
The third chart is the percentage of all the raw data that was changed/adjusted by NOAA
…read the USHCN Background post I made for you
The unadjusted chart shows temperatures largely taken in the evening at the right, and largely taken in the morning at the left.
Morning air temperatures are of course cooler than evening air temperatures.
Hence the apparent – but fake – cooling.
Mindless gibberish
USHCN is part of NOAA. It stands for US Historical Climate Network. Basically, the part of NOAA responsible for historical records.
USHCN Background
station plot
Since 1987, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s (NOAA’s) National Centers for Environmental Information (formerly National Climatic Data Center) has used observations from the U.S. Historical Climatology Network (USHCN) to quantify national- and regional-scale temperature changes in the conterminous United States (CONUS). To that end, USHCN temperature records have been “corrected” to account for various historical changes in station location, instrumentation, and observing practice. The USHCN is actually a designated subset of the NOAA Cooperative Observer Program (COOP) Network. The USHCN sites having been selected according to their spatial coverage, record length, data completeness, and historical stability. The USHCN, therefore, consists primarily of long-term COOP stations whose monthly temperature records have been adjusted for systematic, non-climatic changes that bias temperature trends.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/national-temperature-index/background/ushcn
You mean like when the station is under the exhaust fan out back of some greasy spoon
Don’t you mean “you’re.” Point: me.
LoL…those global warmers are reincarnated snake oil shysters.
Just ignore these cultists.
Pretty hard to ignore them when you discover them in your wallet.
they (Obama) just want to tax the hell out of us, using this climate change bullshit.
It would be nice if we could simply ignore them, but pushback is in order. Left unchecked, the warmists will continue to market the ruse and make policy that they can profit/benefit from. No, it is time to do far more than shame them any more.
Ignore them when they want to tax us and wreck the economy?
Ignore them at your peril. They have the popes ear, the presidents ear, the UN’s ear etc… etc… Unless you fight back, they will impose their (illogical, irrational) will on us.
I’d love to forget them, but they are trying to usher in one-world-government using climate as Alinsky type catalyst to bring us all together to save ourselves and our children’s future, as they tax the very air we breathe. No thanks Chicken Little. The sky is not falling!
Does it suck to be such an idiot? It must.
You tell us. You are an expert.
“Believers”
You can’t ignore leprosy, it needs to be contained, and unfortunately, I think the containment attempts CRITICALLY failed. Did anyone ever try to contain it? Or were we all simply ignoring it for so long that it got the upper hand. Don’t ignore it, fight it.
remember 97% of scientists believed the world was flat before someone took a boat ride.
NOBODY ever thought the world was flat! It’s about time you graduated the 3rd grade.
They thought you had to go east to go east.
Good one. Nothing like a nutard liberale to try changing the subject along with a personal ad hominem against the authors with no possible bearing on the facts. These people can all go F themselves. They’ve drunk the Kool-Aid, they hate science unless it falls into lockstep with their death cult ideas, and they, not we, are the ones who should be standing before juries or panels of psychiatrists defending their beliefs and their sanity along with it. So tired of the lunatics who’ve taken over the asylum.
Wait……the earth ISN’T flat?!?!
I saw a video interview with a Muslim” physicist” who maintained a flat earth based on readings in the koran.
LOL What???
Really, NOBODY??? so then I guess that nobody ever believed that the world was a bowl on the back of a turtle either? Only an extremest would make such an extreme statement – perhaps you need to repeat 3rd grade.
Really? Then why was Columbus treated like a nut when he proposed reaching the east by sailing west? Actually, word has it he was a complete drunk: He sailed west to go east. Once he got there, he didn’t know where he was. Once he got back, he didn’t know where he’d been, and he got some woman to finance the whole gig – twice.
They didn’t think Columbo was a nut, they were just scared. Nobody knew what would happen if you go west. Maybe they even agreed with him, it makes sense, go west around the world, but everybody was scared. I bet Columbo himself was scared, of course he was. Cut the guy some slack.
Better research that claim, then remove your foot
Many ancient cultures subscribed to a flat Earth cosmography, including Greece until the classical period, the Bronze Age and Iron Age civilizations of the Near East until the Hellenistic period, India until the Gupta period (early centuries AD) and China until the 17th century. That paradigm was also typically held in the aboriginal cultures of the Americas, and the notion of a flat Earth domed by the firmament in the shape of an inverted bowl is common in pre-scientific societies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth
Sounds like YOU need to do some “graduating” too…
People in the middle ages thought the world was flat…
Let me guess – YOU are a DEMOCRAT & voted for BARRY twice, RIGHT ?
Admit it…
Nobody ever thought the world was flat?
I can assure you that this is a wholly incorrect statement.
No, Juan, actually many did, it’s just that they predated the Greek establishment of the rules of inquiry aka epistemology.
But one could accurately say that 97% of scientists were wrong about any number of things, from the Bohr atom to a terracentric universe to the Steady State model of the universe.
The fact is we know that EVERYTHING we think of as true in science today will be either heavily revised or replaced in the next two centuries as science is never infallible and real scientists know that.
Why split hairs?
The whole flat earth crap is based on a single painting or group. The idea that everyone thought the world was round is silly. All of the planets were known about and documented (extensively) 6000 years ago. Read some history.
I think Albert Eienstein predicted that splitting the atom would not produce any useful effects.
So in a hundred years, smoking will be found to have not caused cancer, the sun will be found to go around the earth, a triangle really has two sides, and that wingnut dipschitz of the early millennium really were brain damaged morons who in fact were brainwashed by repeated lies put forth by right wing fascist news groups.
I can find no corroboration for my comment about Einstein. Please do NOT approve it or this one. I’m sorry for being careless about this.
Umm, you obviously don’t know much about history. People most certainly believed the world was flat centuries ago.
Not only did people think that the world was flat they also thought the sun revolved around the earth. These are your consensus science and it doesn’t look like they have changed. The only difference is back then they actually thought they were telling the truth. The ones saying it today no they are lying.
There are still people in the middle east who think and teach the earth is the center of the universe and every thing revolves around the earth.
That never happened, look it up, you’re ignorance is showing. Columbus was looking for a route to India, not to prove the world was round which most people already knew way back into the ancient Greek times.
I think you have misunderstood the digressive effect of the Dark Ages on western intellectual thought and dialogue. Just because the Greeks were open minded, does not mean that the Holy Roman Empire was. Also, the average peasant was so distant from an educated way of thinking (purposefully by elite policy), that they probably thought the Moon was made of cheese and dreamt about it. Some people knew it was spherical, but most believed whatever they were told to believe … just like modern climate scientists and students studying earth sciences. If you don’t agree with the consensus then you don’t graduate, get grants, or get employment and tenure, and if you change your opinion later on you become a leper. Science is NOT consensus, and politicized group-think is a death blow to scientific method.
Yes. And “97% percent” of Climate Scientists reviewed the papers of other pro-AGW Climate Scientists and agreed with their findings. Talk about not taking a boat ride into uncharted waters…
That’s actually not even a little true. People knew the earth was round WELL before Columbus. The ancient Greeks were able to accurate measure the diameter of the earth to within a couple miles. The story of the flat earth and Columbus was written by Washington Irving in 1828 and was completely made up.
But that’s not the point of your reply. You’re saying that scientists can be wrong sometimes. And you’re right, science sometimes gets it wrong. But that’s why we have developed a highly structured scientific method. If any scientist was able to definitively prove that man-made climate change was not true, they’d win a Nobel prize.
The earth is getting warmer. This isn’t a question at all. We’ve known this for decades and it’s no longer a point of debate. Much in the same way that evolution, gravity, and germ theory are accepted. The question is trying to find the cause. Most of the evidence points to humans being the main driver (or at least a major contributor) to this trend. We believe this based on carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases in the atmosphere (which we’re able to measure with incredible accuracy going back thousands of years).
And that 97% number is misleading. First of all, it’s not actually 97%. It’s a little lower than that (91%). Second, it’s not “91% of scientists believe the world is getting warmer.” It’s “100% of scientists believe the world is getting warmer. 91% believe that humans are the main or only cause.” And third, just to put this into perspective: if you went to 10 doctors and 9 of them said that you had cancer and had 5 years to live, would you listen to the 1 who said that you were fine?
Anybody observing that boat leaving port and saw the ship disappear from the bottom until the top of the mast was visible – and then gone – KNEW the world wasn’t flat. No one has thought the world was flat since at least the 6th century BC!
I have personally studied mediaeval velum manuscripts from across Europe, and can categorically say your ‘No one has thought the world was flat since at least the 6th century BC’ is completely fallacious. Mediaeval manuscript illuminators tried over and over again to illustrate a model of the Earth, all of which show a difficulty to explain the ‘edge’ LOL. I trust my own eyes and it is quite clear you are quite incorrect. The Dark Ages washed away Greek logic, and many organs of the Holy Roman Empire persecuted anyone even suggesting progressive intellectual discourse on this subject up untin the Renaissance. On the other hand, I have seen some illustrations such as by Hildegard of Bingen which expounded a spherical model also, and she was considered orthodox because she was a Catholic Mystic. To say there were ‘none’ is just plain wrong. If even the manuscript illuminators (the educated class: less than 5% of the population) found a spherical earth hard to imagine, I’m quite sure the average peasant hadn’t even considered the question at all.
To be accurate, Pythagoras figured it out in the 5th century B.C.
Now for commonly well known phenomenon that was, at one time, considered false by consensus, we just need to talk to Robert Goddard and his rocket or Alfred Weneger with plate tectonics. It was a well known scientific “fact” in the 1930s that a rocket could not make it to the moon and as late as the 1950s that the continents and land masses were where they are now for all of time. These individuals were vigorously attacked for their views which, as we know today, were right.
If science was up to the democratic process, we wouldn’t be able to operate our GPS – both because we wouldn’t have bothered to create adjustments for continental drift nor bother to build a rocket to send the satellite up in the first place.
Aristotle knew the world was round in 400 BC.
Sorry Bobby, but no one ever thought the world was flat.
the earth is growing
Well, that’s pretty much BS. And really, you could say that there were not any scientist in the modern sense prior to the enlightenment. Even at that, science was pretty much an amateur hobbyist pursuit until the mid 1850s, something done by the idle rich for their own curiosity.
I don’t believe in the global warming, cooling environmental change B.S. . All those ” scientific ” figures are put together by degreed sociologists that want to shut down the U.S.A.’s industrial complex, have the taxpayers paying for society’s parasites, and spread the wealth to sh-ithole nations that are too da_mn lazy to get off their rears and work for a living.
My concern and I have been very adamant about this for several years is the water on the planet, aquifers are drying up, surface waterholes are drying up, water bottling companies have depleted resevoirs around the world. All that water is sitting in 100 of thousand warehouses around the world. When the Earth’s surface is dried out, it retains the heat from the sun, causing the intensified heat to where there is no evaporative cooling effect when the wind blows, it is hot. Man is creating the problem, but not from driving cars, it is a lack of water on the Earth’s surface, we will find that that too is causing trees to die off, streams heating up killing off fish.
“water bottling companies have depleted resevoirs around the world. All that water is sitting in 100 of thousand warehouses around the world”
come again? source?
All that bottled water in warehouses wouldn’t fill a lake. Then, when people drink it, they pee and back it goes into the water cycle. What they drink from bottles, they don’t drink from the tap and water is conserved there. Water is water whether it’s from a bottle or a pipe. And what people drink is passed through as pee or evaporated as sweat and re-enters the water cycle. You’re looking for villains and it turns out, if we’d just calm down, the water use issues could be dealt with. Manufacturing process that pollute the water are the major issue. If you use water to make something, you should be obligated to purify it when you are done with it. Clean up your own mess folk. That’s all there is to it.
Not only is the water being captured in bottles but also in swimming pools, arctic ice and ugly bags of water that walk around on this planet. There are now 7 billion bags of mostly water walking around.
Where exactly is the warehouse that stores the oceans? Thanks.
Are you serious … All of the water in every bottle of every bottled water company world wide… heck lets include sodas, and all other bottled liquids intended for human consumption is not even a drop in the preverbal bucket to the 326 million trillion gallons of water in the world… The world is a basically closed system and through the process of evaporation of the oceans in to the cloud that then travels over land and dumps its harvest from the oceans on to dry land where it begins its journey back to the ocean via the rivers and streams through the land . During that and several other events are taking place such as gravity pulling the water down through the earth along its path to the ocean and replenishing the below surface water reservoir… In other words there is NO NEW WATER… every drop you have ever drank has already been through someone’s kidneys.
and to plan anything on uniformitarianism is pure madness nothing stays the same ever anywhere so to forecast what will happen if nothing changes is pure stupidity…
*Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of the tunnel, they go out and buy some more tunnel.
*~John Quinton~
I like that. It’s absolutely true… I’ll return the favor with my favorite quote from G.K. Chesterton: “It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged.”
The water on Earth is a closed-loop system. H2O is too massive to escape Earth’s gravity. You have heard the phrase, what goes up, must come down, yes?
You could bury every square inch of the earth’s land mass one mile deep in water bottles and still not ‘dry out’ the earth. That’s an actual measurement of land mass vs sea mass on the planet.
Just sayin… Maybe the fear of desertification via water bottle isn’t well founded?
There’s a lot more ocean than land on the blue marble!!!
The fact that you are complaining about water bottling companies “depleting reservoirs” etc. just demonstrates you scientific naiveté. I know this is hard, but get out your pencil and compare the amount of water flowing into any one of the sources you claim are being “depleted” per year vs. the amount bottled and stored in warehouses. The engineering term for this amount is “a fart in a hurricane.”
Now I do not believe in man-made global warming either, but my beliefs are based on science and being able to do the energy balances and see that variations in incoming solar radiation are the elephant in the room. There is huge scientific fraud going on, and we need to stop it, but bottling water is not the environmental disaster you think it is.
DiHydrogen Monoxide can kill you!
Nice attempt at discrediting skeptics by faking dissent and attaching a fallacious argument. The effect of dried up or tapped out fresh water would probably be about as relevant to warming as every coal power plant in the western world (not very).
For Gods sake, supernovas that cause higher seeding rates for cloud cover, effect the temperature more than bloody CO2.
affect
Morgan , he’s OK with effect because it’s placed as a noun. You’re correct more than most on this site,, then again; I don’t think aamichael666 is from the USA.
Reblogged this on Vancouver Citizen's Voice and commented:
The road to Paris #COP21 is littered with the bodies of false data sets and bad climate model projections. This latest example from my friend, Steve Goddard.
Don’t like the government’s own data eh.
If you want to know more about climate change read DARK WINTER by John Casey
SD: Give us a quote or two from the book which would indicate the underlying opinion of the writer… You know — just enough so that we can tell if he / she is FULLUH SHlT…
Until these marxists sociologist ” scientists ” quit lying and fudging numbers, and look into the real cause of Earth’s problems, we will never resolve the problems. It is their useless marxist agenda to foist more taxes on America, we do not owe the world anything, the rest of the planet needs to get involved, instead of holding both hands out looking for a monetary placebo instead of a cure.
I concur completely, well written…
Everyone of these “punks” should be CUT-OFF if they are getting paid by ANYONE under ANY taxing authority which takes money from us & gives it to WORTHLESS MOTHER-FKCU-ERS LIKE THIS…
MILLIONS OF FAMILIES ARE HAVING A HARD TIME MAKING ENDS MEET, AND OUR GOVERNMENT ( under that “beautiful” leadership of that punk in the whitehouse, Barry Soetoro ) IS GIVING AWAY MONEY TO LIARS… FCKU-ING LIARS…
NOTE ABOUT SOETORO: HOW MANY OF US / YOU OUT THERE NEED AN ” EXTRA” NAME LIE BARRY ?
IS THIS FKCU-ING STUPID, OR WHAT ?
Amen!
which set of people do you trust most:
1) climate scientists
2) economists
3) meterorologists
4) gypsy fortune tellers
5) astrologists
i would go with the gypsy.
Definitely the gypsies.
The first 3 rely on the futile attempt to model a non-linear, non-deterministic system with linear regression computer models. All 3 fail just as miserably as Dr. Edward Lorenz proved back in the early 1960’s that small changes in initial input have dramatically different changes in output. That’s a fancy way of saying that no matter how “accurate” your data is and no matter how powerful the computer is, long range forecasting of systems like the economy, climate, etc. is IMPOSSIBLE.
I disagree with your use of the term ‘non-deterministic’. I believe that climate systems are deterministic but we haven’t found a way to model them deterministically, because it is deterministic chaos – which invokes Edward Lorenz whom you mentioned.
This has important implications because accepting this would force the climate change folks to admit that they really don’t know how to model global temperature change because there’s really no accurate model that currently exists. Ergo, climate alarmism is simply a waste of everyone’s time – which agrees with your general statement.
When I was a weather observer we always used to fudge the temperatures or cloud layer coverage a bit to help the forecasters meet their correct quotas. Pilots always wanted the cloud level raised so they could fly. No one would ever really notice. A weather chart that looked consistent plus or minus 2 degrees over 100 miles was fine. A reading that was 5 degrees off was suspicious. And those did occur from time to time. A wick thermometer was used to determine temperature and dewpoint. You moistened it and spun it in the air for 60 seconds to get the readings. We used the same thermometer for a year with no testing. We put the readings on a teletype and sent them to weather central. on the hour, every hour, 365 days a year. Late 70’s. Early 80’s. These days modeling scientists would be pressing me to change my observations to meet their budgets.
One cannot predict the behavior of these systems with 100% accuracy but one can understand the odds and try to keep them in your favor.
The underlying problem however is that the climate sciences have come so corrupted with ideological need that the only solution is to strip the field of all government funding.
Now, that is the best suggestion I have seen in all of these postings.
Now that is something I actually agree with. This comment I will endorse. Thank you.
Amen…
Linear regression is one method, but definitely not the only. Those models use all sorts of math that is above and beyond linear equations.
#2. But you have to understand the limitations of economics. The law of supply and demand is economics. That’s good stuff. The claim that GPD represents the ecomony, that’s the scientism that Hayek warned about in his Noble speech.
GPD?
Which economists? The Keynesians, the Austrians, the Distributists or the Marxists?
I’m not playing unless I can choose “phone psychic.”
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gynocologists
Gypsies would make predictions that were more accurate because they would be right 50% of the time on an up or down question. IPCC models however are like taking financial advice from a communist.
All you need is a Gypsy in the White House (or a caravan on the White House lawn), and you’re already seeing a great improvement.
Astrologists would be a close second …
Crazy and corrupt leftists…
I remember a couple years ago NOAA had to go around the country to all their weather stations and move their temperature gauges used to keep official track of the temperature for their research. All the gauges were mounted outside beside the exhaust fans of the building air conditioners; thus giving false higher temperature reading`s.
Figures don’t lie but liars figure. Who makes money of AGW? Not the deniers… The Algores of the world, iT’ S ALL ABOUT POWER AND MONEY. .
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It is easy many scientist get grants to study this “phenomenon” If there is no problem there is no grant moneys…
The unadjusted chart shows temperatures largely taken in the evening at the right, and largely taken in the morning at the left.
Morning air temperatures are of course cooler than evening air temperatures.
Hence the apparent – but fake – cooling.
Mindless gibberish.
I suppose it all is to someone who clearly is less smart than a box of rocks.
Keepin’ it simple! Ditto!
You guys know where this is eventually leading to right? Look up Climate Justice. Reparations. There is also a growing opinion that people…overpopulation is the problem, So it will be ethical to cleans the Earth of those who want to harm her.
Bingo. There is a reason that whenever O’Bomber is dribbling official APGW liturgies, that John Kerry is standing next to him. This is a Foreign Policy issue, and unfortunately for all of those 3rd World dupes who think they are going to get reparations, they will be made to buy Carbon Credits and Derivatives from New York and London, or their Aid Budgets will be sanctioned. Their Food Aid will also cost more because of the carbon tributes being paid to the ‘Market’, thus their deficits will increase and they will become more dependent. Ignorance is a two-edged sword, and these third worlders crying for reparations will learn quick smart and in a hurry, exactly why begging for ‘Market Solutions’ to non-existent problems created by western institutions, is like begging for more Jim Jones cool-aid.
I was watching a green-zombie on Australian ABC Q&A the other day railing against ‘capitalism’, and why a socialist model putting a price on Carbon is the only way the human race could move forward, and when asked why she thought Carbon Trading was not Capitalist or could be performed outside of a Capital Market, she was totally stumped. Yeah, Al Gore won’t be making any profit under Carbon Trading, LOL. Monopoly Capitalists are in fact Communists of a slightly different uniformed flavor, and they both hate the middle class. It was so funny to watch the look on this gals face when she realized she had no idea what she was begging for. Socialism becomes Communism when Capital Markets are removed. They’re totally economically illiterate, and even worse when it comes to science.
I’m at the point where I trust a scientist about as far as I can throw a politician.
Weather stations are often located at airports. Most are located in rural areas and was surrounded by urban growth in the last few years. An airport close to me was surrounded by cotton fields less than ten years ago. It’s now enclosed by an industrial park. The cotton field irrigation cooled the air quite a bit. Now the concrete and steel from the industrial park retains the heat that was lost in the cotton fields. I’m sure it show dramatic warming in the last ten years, but does not prove an overall warming trend.
Look where NOAA puts their temperature sensors – next to blacktop parking lots, near air conditioning exhaust, in enclosures with light bulbs powered on. A fifth grader would know you can’t get valid readings that way… but NOAA does not want valid readings.
http://www.bobbyshred.com/fools/falsetemps.html
In order to understand the science of climatology and origins of anthropogenic cause, one needs to look at the history of climatology. In the olden days, climatologists were called rainmakers and voodoo priests. They cut the heads off of chickens and drank blood from their necks, smeared pig fat all over themselves, organized huge drum circles, convinced villagers of their guilt, and hurled their virgin children into volcanoes to appease non-existent rain and crop gods, while creating an impression of having a connection to an occult we mere mortals cannot understand.
While the exact procedures have evolved somewhat, the field, its intent, conditions, and ultimate repercussions remain very similar. The only thing scientific about climatology is the level of malfeasant academic fraud involved.
Again, federal workers engaged in political activities while at work and conducting and reporting fraud are still on the job.
And we wonder why DC is on a severe downward spiral.
These federal workers should be in prison.
I wouldn’t believe the “Climate Change” crowd if they predicted global cooling, global warming or global temperature stability. ANY study based on “Consensus Science” belongs in the same ash-heap of discredited theories such as Eugenics, Pellagra, DDT, etc. I defy anyone to show me a single law of physics that is based on “Consensus”! Nobody “voted” on Newton’s Laws of Motion, Einstein’s Theory of Relativity, Bohrs’ Quantum Theory, Maxwell’s Equations, etc.
You never hear legitimate scientists say things like “97.23% of scientists agree that the Earth is 93 million miles from the Sun” or ” 96.23% of a UN Panel of Gravity Experts agree that the acceleration due to Earth’s gravity is 9.8 m/s/s.” You never hear legitimate scientists claim “the correlation between variable X to variable Y is proof of causality.”
My first grade teacher was Mrs. Haluska. Weird.
My English Literature professor was Jan Haluska. Weird again.
Tell us about the discredited pellagra theory. Is it not a vitamin deficiency corrected with B3/niacin supplementation in food? Isn’t pellagra basically gone in the US? What is your theory?
Scientists in the early twentieth century recommended treating pellagra by ingesting arsenic compounds.
The pivotal medical instrument likely developed for people who uncritically accept government pronouncements as fact was invented long ago.
https://engineerofknowledge.wordpress.com/2012/04/05/do-you-recognize-this-medical-instrument/
Those who seek facts, avoid wielders of such instruments and all purveyors of snake oil (climate change propaganda) like the plague.
Given that the computer-generated fantasy climate models have failed miserably (they cannot even account for the effects of clouds!!) why anyone could or would believe these “climate science” shysters would make a fascinating study in the effects of mass media propaganda.
Well said.
Though I like the direction of your comments, I do have to say that each and every one of these Men had to publish their work and findings, others had to take said documentation and replicate the work to see if the findings were the same. At which point, these testing the process and findings would either say, “Yes” I agree or “No” it is false. Peer review is the constant companion to new discovery in science. Peer review is why we know NOAA’s and the IPCC’s numbers are false.
But, I do get your point. Even without these men and their “discoveries”, the laws of physics still exist. And, no consensus would ever amongst the “elites” could ever change the fact that an apple dropped from 10 feet will approach the Earth at the speed and force governed by said physical laws.
This is no better than psychology theories and their methods.
Of course they are just lying. Anyone who is 50 yoa. knows that nothing has changed visa via the climate.
How is pellagra or DDT discredited?
In the first decades of the twentieth century, the treatment for pellagra was to administer arsenic orally, which caused many preventable deaths, mostly among poor Southerners. Since “Silent Spring” caused the use of DDT to be forbidden, there has been no study which verified that DDT caused thinning of eggshells and all of the other faults attributed to it by Rachel Carson. On the other hand, much suffering and millions of deaths have occurred due to insect-borne disease which could have been avoided with the use of DDT.
As for eugenics…
…It is accepted science; we breed pets, livestock, and plants, hoping to accentuate desirable characteristics and eliminate undesirable ones. Yes, it works on humans, too, but forcing a population to be culled in the quest of “improving the breed” is simply not acceptable in today’s world.
The only problem with DDT is that as publicity stunts they sprayed it directly onto the skin of people as a fumigant. That’s where most of the birth deformities were caused. But when sprayed in the air in mosquito breeding zones it saved far more people than any it may have harmed. It makes me wonder sometimes whether the skin spraying was done on purpose to get severe side effects, so that they had a reason to ban it by UN dictate. I reccon they realized that saving so many people in third world countries was counter to eugenics and pop-control directives of the Rockefellers et al. Thus they deliberately concocted a scandal in order to ensure high mortality rates. Same people today who rant about over-population are on the Carbon control band wagon. Bill Gates and Ted Turner etc…
“Nobody ‘voted’ on Newton’s Laws of Motion, Einstein’s Theory of Relativity, Bohrs’ Quantum Theory, Maxwell’s Equations, etc.”
That’s because they weren’t hanging on the taxpayers’ teats and getting paid for trying to destroy “America, the Great Satan”!
Another thing about global warming is this. The world is becoming industrialized which means more buildings, more heat being generated by man made structures. If the data recording devices are located near cities and towns that are growing, the censors will be picking up this increased heat and its being record as climate warming as opposed to regional warming due to radiant heat.
“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed…
by endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.” — H.L. Mencken
“Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts” — Richard Feynman
“Experts are drips, formerly under pressure” — Jim Greaves
“Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most pick themselves up
and hurry off as if nothing ever happened” — Winston S. Churchill
” These lying aasholes are using OUR tax dollars to LIE TO US… WILLINGLY — I suggest we shoot the mother-fkcu-ers…”
I work at a power plant and report weather to NOAA. The weather that we report is from a weather station that records ever thing 6* higher that actual. It is situated where heat from generation and a building complex affects it.
[ALT167] gives º symbol. In case you wanted to know.
Please, don’t tell the Vatican Communists, Liberals, Atheists, Pope Francis and his earth worshipers friends and Al gore.
After all, Pope Francis, thanks to Al Gore’s lie, convinced God with his encyclical, that humans are going to die if the population is not reduced. Too many people = earth is warming and will explode. Therefore the Pope is going around asking Catholics to stop breeding like rabbits, as he said on his way from his trip to the Philippines.
Thank you Steven aka Tony for “holding their feet to the fire!”
The alphabetical agencies will fall like a long line of alphabetically labeled dominoes, starting with the CHIEF CROOKS that review budgets of all the other agencies for Congress – THE UNITED STATES NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES (actually a private, self-perpetuating group of “consensus pseudo-scientists”)): NAS:NASA:NOAA:NSF:etc.
I think the term you might be looking for is ” LYING AASHOLES, USING OUR MONEY ” ?
Omanuel should go back to his “the sun is a giant ball of iron” schtick.
Now that is comedy.
First sensible comment you’ve made here.
“Around 2001, a group of researchers found observational evidence suggesting that there is 30 percent to 50 percent less oxygen, carbon and nitrogen in the sun than models had previously predicted and observations had previously seemed to show (discussion continues among scientists about which interpretation is correct). When those reduced numbers were incorporated into solar models, the results conflicted with observational data about the internal structure of the sun (deduced by studying sound waves that travel through the star). Scientists wondered if the observations were incorrect, or if an entirely new stellar model was needed.” http://www.space.com/28146-sun-iron-heart-behavior.html
I lived in a small town near Butte, MT that used to have a weather station. Guess what, it was damn cold there. In the summer of 03 I was also assigned to a remote town in MT called Opheim. They had a remote weather station there too. They removed it that summer. It also just happened to be a damn cold place too…..
@SteveGoddard: looked at the TAR files to which you linked.
Could you please post the following:
1. A data format explanation for the .TAVG files
2. A link to the data source on station sensor quality / sensitivity / accuracy
3. A link to the data source on the fabricated (estimated? interpolated?) data points
Because I’ve worked professionally with a variety of temperature sensors of varying accuracy
and stability, I’ve long had unanswered questions regarding how NOAA was obtaining highly
precise temperature data from automated stations. If NOAA’s data includes readings obtained
from thermocouples, then the data quality is highly suspect. Those things usually are plus/minus
2 degrees C. at BEST, and they drift.
Platinum RTDs have been available for some time, but then the electrical / electronic device
measuring the varying resistance needs regular calibration and validation.
AFAIK, the ONLY device capable of idiot proof long-term high accuracy is the precision
mercury thermometer. But then operator bias becomes an issue.
This has all left me, not with the certainty that AGW is false, but with real doubts concerning
how NOAA would know whether it was true or false.
Files are here ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ushcn/v2.5/
It has to be man made global warming – the sun will not pay them anything
Global warming, “Climate Change”, climate disruption caused by man has nothing to do with climate or science, it is simply a new form of marxism and political control which seeks to destroy capitalism and the industrial revolution, – they are degrowthers…
I don’t remember the names of the worthless aasholes, but they were “Scientists” and “Professors” with some universities in England, which BLEW their own covers with their recorded messages to each other asking what they were “…going to do…” with the informatiion they had come into contact with, showing that the temp was COOLING, and accordingly their entire BULLSHlT theories were NOW WORTHLESS…
Can’t remember the names of these liars, the name of the university with which they were associated with… Two or three different liars…
And getting PAID to lie, as well…
Read somewhere years ago that they placed the measuring stations in rural areas that with urban sprawl are now right next to large parking lots for the new mall they built. Hot asphalt on a warm day will heat the air around it hence the higher readings…
If I remember correctly, from the beginning they’ve had a problem demonstrating warming in North America. Wasn’t there early speculation that the continent is a giant carbon sink?
Our guvmint wants us to live free of oppressive and burdensome rules, so this reportage can’t be right….(right?).
Real science does not rely on lies and manipulated data.
If man’s use of fossil fuels is causing global warming, what caused it to keep warming and cooling for millions of years before man entered the picture?
And why did not Earth runaway with GW when CO2 was at 7000ppm!
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/PageMill_Images/image277.gif
Fire every last person that had anything to do with this. Our Government is corrupt. That is all there is too it. And. the 99%ers in this deal are Democrats. Liars like their leadership
Do you have complete faith in the weather forecast for this weekend? Why would anyone with any common sense at all believe they can predict 50 or 100 years into the future when they can’t get right 3 or 4 days away.
Why can no one ever tell me what the desired target temperature should be – and why?
Until then, I call BS on “climate warming, cooling, etc.”.
This entire “climate change” nonsense is just that. If my high school science students “played” with the data like this I’d flunk them all. Probably, no one at NOAA will be fired or reprimanded over this. Scientists? Hardly.
Did you know that the personal behavior of about 1% of the U. S. population results in their CO2 footprint being 50 TIMES the actual average / person. Not too surprising with their use of private jets, heavy discretionary commercial air travel, specifically flying first class, massive living space / person, across multiple homes, and a myriad of other behaviors. But do you realize that this means this small group is responsible for more than 33% of ALL (that’s right, ALL) U. S. CO2 emissions? I keep trying to find an AGW believer to explain why all the plans being implemented by the president will allow this small group to continue to spew CO2 unabated while financially hammering the lower income and middle classes. NONE have been able to explain this (because it is a scam). Just a different way to look at / expose the scam for were this small group to only emit 25 TIMES the average, OVERALL U. S. CO2 emissions would IMMEDIATELY decline 17% and OVERALL PLANETARY CO2 emissions would decline 2.7%.
Yep. Same reason Hillary wants to soak the rich but not herself (she’s rich)
Hillary does not want to soak the rich. She wants to appear to be a populist who will soak the rich.
I thought CO2 was good for plants? So why worry about CO2?
Climate scientists appreciate probabilities. A halt in a warming trend need not be permanent if the human-generated atmospheric changes driving it continue to exist.
Did you know that the personal behavior of about 1% of the U. S. population results in their CO2 footprint being 50 TIMES the actual average / person. Not too surprising with their use of private jets, heavy discretionary commercial air travel, specifically flying first class, massive living space / person, across multiple homes, and a myriad of other behaviors. But do you realize that this means this small group is responsible for more than 33% of ALL (that’s right, ALL) U. S. CO2 emissions? I keep trying to find an AGW believer to explain why all the plans being implemented by the president will allow this small group to continue to spew CO2 unabated while financially hammering the lower income and middle classes. NONE have been able to explain this (because it is a scam). Just a different way to look at / expose the scam for were this small group to only emit 25 TIMES the average, OVERALL U. S. CO2 emissions would IMMEDIATELY decline 17% and OVERALL PLANETARY CO2 emissions would decline 2.7%.
Scientist behaving badly. Funding we need more funding!
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/02/nothing-false-about-temperature-data/
So you are going to take a two paragraph BS article to counter NASA, and four decades of predictions exceeding expectations, I really doubt that the instruments that measure ocean temps are off by 5 degrees LMFAO (or even a fraction of a degree. I have two pool thermometers that read the same frikken temp and one is digital and the other mercury/thermometer type. and one of them cost $3.99. I would like to see if my comment even sticks, since it looks like the author deletes the opposing viewpoints. According to NASA, 97% of climate scientist, and the god damn POPE, the world is warming and last June was the hottest ever, this year will be the hottest ever, and last decade was the hottest ever! The notion that the planet is cooling is so heavily debunked by people who read “words,” that I feel like I am talking to toddlers here posting links like this…http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/07/17/3681260/june-2015-hottest-year-record/
Jim, I am so glad I found you! Did you know that the personal behavior of about 1% of the U. S. population results in their CO2 footprint being 50 TIMES the actual average / person. Not too surprising with their use of private jets, heavy discretionary commercial air travel, specifically flying first class, massive living space / person, across multiple homes, and a myriad of other behaviors. But do you realize that this means this small group is responsible for more than 33% of ALL (that’s right, ALL) U. S. CO2 emissions? I keep trying to find an AGW believer to explain why all the plans being implemented by the president will allow this small group to continue to spew CO2 unabated while financially hammering the lower income and middle classes. NONE have been able to explain this (because it is a scam). Just a different way to look at / expose the scam for were this small group to only emit 25 TIMES the average, OVERALL U. S. CO2 emissions would IMMEDIATELY decline 17% and OVERALL PLANETARY CO2 emissions would decline 2.7%.
Man, I would hate to be this stupid!
You hate being stupid… .
Then do something about it.
Start back in junior high and work very gradually upwards.
Is that what’s going on, they delete all opposing opinions? They haven’t deleted mine yet, I don’t think. I couldn’t figure how there could be so many people who are so stupid, with no rational people in sight. What a bunch of idiots, done wasting my breath.
Ha ha ha ha. You quote the 97%, use the phrase God Damned Pope and then link to thinkcommunist.org and think you are worthy of being vomited on by real scientists. RALPH!!!!! You were not worthy, I was being generous.
Fun fact: Some temps are recorded at airports and are reported as “official” for the city. (My San Diego is that way.). A few of the airports around the country have temperature sensors that are influenced by jet exhaust, depending on the wind direction. Those cities are no doubt the “faves” to the Warmie Crowd. As more aircraft operations are added, the upward tenperature trend is confirmed. Bogus but “confirmed.”
Local joke: “Why are they telling me the temperature at the airport? Nobody lives at the airport!”
The most idiotic idiots of all idiots, “professor” Al Gore has made nearly $200 million off of perpetrating this anti-capatalist climate change fraud on the rest of us. He also said 10 years ago the Polar ice cap would be melted by now but according to satellite data the ice cap has actually expanded by an are larger than the size of Alaska so why isn’t he laughed out of the business and humiliated as he should be? But people still believe this moron and he keeps getting richer. It’s sick and detestable that this nutcase won a Nobel Prize for this crap too.
steven, the three screenhunter links you provided all went to the same place, “percent of ushcn data fabricated”. could you fix this so we could look at the other graphs? thanks for the good work.
Global warming—-IT all sounds fishy to Me. I FEAR GLOBAL COOLING (and it is happening-NOW).The ice age was real. Evidence is all over our landscape. And Glaciers here in Montana are growing and have been for 2-3 years. You can verify it in person! Take a horseback trip to Glacier Park!! Yet the manipulators’ are still singing the same song— In Schools, on PBS and all socialist friendly medias.
CO 2 is not a greenhouse gas, as CO 2 is CONSUMED as FOOD by green growing plants- and green growth all over our earth,especially evergreen trees of all varieties. And,guess what these plants and trees convert this to?? You really do already know—OXYGEN !!!!!), Hum mm I wonder why We NEED this gas??? Look at the color photos by NASA and You will see the beautiful color of Oxygen-NOT co 2!!
Get real. It is all exposed here and in the fact that temperature measurement 100 years ago was as accurate and reliable as their (“autos”),and digital accuracy today, (as with police radar), is one degree + – 1%. for a perfect thermometer, at 100% that is + or – two degrees, and the earth has warmed 1 degree in 100 years?? Measured how? at what depth? Or what location?. Of course, as with a law trial where evidence is share ahead of time, these LIARS, have been able to make up those “facts” filling in the blank areas, to make it appear scientifically correct. Lastly–look up the meaning of the word POLITICAL, as in POLITICALLY CORRECT!! I was a NASA Engineer in the 50’s at GDA San Diego Ca.
This jibes with the computer models which actually show that the water vapor in the environment cools it rather than heats it up,. The big argument is how the models, which are pretty unsophisticated given the complexity of the ecosystem could support warming. The data from the effects of the water vapor in the ecosystem is that it cools the environment; not warms it. Yet the hucksters on global change, global warming have written all sort of arguments based on less than accurate computer modeling, which indicate exactly the opposite of this data.
The truth will set you free, and eventually this controversy will go away as folks realize that global warming is a farce. Too many people want to trumpet their beliefs based on having read an article, few ever question the tenets of the computational science done to reach these specious claims. Sadly fewer still even understand enough science to understand that the claims are valid, yet they blindly trumpet that we need to spend extra money on energy costs..essentially making us uncompetitive on the global stage to China and India -> who will NEVER do anything about these claims.
Its nice to see that the ACTUAL data supports the REAL UNADULTERATED observations and is completely counter to the claims the global warming hucksters would tell.
If it were up to those idiots every family in the western world will spend an extra $100USD per month on stuff that is absolutely useless. I dont know about everyone else, but I can sure spend an extra 1200/year on stuff my family needs not extra energy costs which are a complete waste of resources.
Of course if youi want to spend this money then the Democrats will have a candiadte for you to vote for here in th e US thats for sure, since according to their Lord and SAavior Barrack Obama this is all settled science.
Science is never settled. Ask Galileo and the Catholic Church who was right and who was wrong….that a was a case of settled science too.
The science is NOT settled. Not by a damn sight. Mr. Trump, you need to keep hammering away at these environmental activist bullies for the frauds they are! The Republican weenies have already caved to the pressure.
I believe the issue of whether temps are rising/falling is moot. The real questions are:
1. are human activities significantly effecting the climate (one way or another)
2. what exactly is the idea of the steady state of the earth’s climate.
3. what should be considered “ideal”
Answers::
1. humans are a mere “rash” on the earth’s ecological grand scale. A few years of increased volcanic activity in the Pacific Ring of Fire would prove that.
.2. since dry places on earth now (like the great salt flats in Utah) were once covered by water, and other areas (like Antarctica} were once exposed land masses, then what exactly is the definition of the steady state of the earth’s climate. Clearly we can’t determine what is to be considered “normal”
3. Ideal climate for humans living at the artic circle are not the same as someone living on a tropical island, I prefer to live in a more moderate climate. So, in my case, I would welcome a long term warming trend in Southeastern Pennsylvania (somewhat tongue in cheek).
Congrats for making Drudge Report. You deserve the exposure.
So what else is new?
Having a high tech/scientific background and having watched the way they gather and process this information I have known they have been dry-labing their data to achieve the desired results for at least 4 decades and most likely a good deal longer.
One of the ways they have done this is by claiming accuracies of data and precision of data gathered from instruments that actually do not exist and if they existed they don’t exist in the numbers necessary to support their theories. Then they adjust the already incorrect data to fit the curve of the model they desire to see.
It’s all magic with numbers. But since it’s a Fed organization no one cares. But if an independent organization not paid off by the Fed did it they would be sued by the government three ways from Sunday for producing fake data to pass off their product to the public.
NOAA and NASA are filled with politically motivated people who will lie through their teeth to maintain their government grant monies and jobs. I know this from having worked with them for over 50 years of my life and I wouldn’t trust any of them much further than I could physically throw them.
Incidentally, for over 20 years I collected precision weather data at one specific location not far from San Francisco and when they were saying the planet’s atmosphere was heating up my data indicated just the opposite. Why? Because I was a civilian contractor and not a government worker. They found my data book one day and after looking at it tossed it into the garbage because it didn’t conform to what they were saying was happening.
hope you made copies.
I have young people at work ( I am 60 ) complaining about global warming because it is July and the temps are between 85 and 90 degrees. I tell them “It’s summer, it isn’t supposed to be 68 degrees during the day”. They have been programmed to think “climate change” the instant the ambient temperature goes past 78 degrees!!!
Fantastic response, I wish people didn’t lack critical thinking skills. It’s nice to hear this from someone with experience in the matter, although it’s painfully obvious through sufficient research that global warming and climate change are all motivated by lies, psyop manipulation and more taxes etc. . Not to mention the majorities view that their government and subsidiaries are infallible Hollywood stars to be looked up to like Idols and don’t lie. People need to follow less and think more instead of letting mainstream news and TV do the thinking for them.
NOT surprised. The world is full of lies and liars. We even have a fraud in the White House. Can you imagine the rest?
Obama for Prision 2016
With the NAS President!
You realize this makes Pope Francis a liar too (what you get for politicizing the papal pronouncements… not good).
AMERIKA – IT’S BIBLICAL!!! THE OBAMA-NATION OF DESOLATION!!!!
Reblogged this on Head Space.
Al Gore sais we’ve got ten years. Ten years left to save the planet from a scorching. Okay, we’re going to start counting. That was January 27th, 2006. We began the count, ladies and gentlemen. You have to love these people — from afar, and from a purely observational point of view. So, 182 days, 10 hours now to AlGore’s DOOMSDAY!
Never trust a climate alarmist who owns three private estates, all climate controlled and a 100+ foot houseboat that tows two jet skis. AKA Al Gore.
He also flies in private jets, although I don’t think he yet owns one. He certainly has enough money to buy one, however – especially after he sold his useless Current TV to Qatar, a major oil producer……
Where was Al Gore on Global Warming BEFORE he lost his bid for President?
Al will do whatever it takes to make a buck…..carbon credits heah, get your carbon credits heah!
He’s from Tennessee so it’s hyaya not heah.
Ten years is up for Al Gore’s prediction which went the other way. Let’s roast his feet to the fire. Where’s Al?
Al Gore could be quite right. I profess a Christian belief, but no evangelical, so indulge me in a bit of fun.
Christ said repent or face consequences. Those consequences are often likened to “fire and brimstone (molten sulphur)”. So if we assume mankind is sufficiently corrupt to warrant a “Sodom and Gomorrah” experience (Genesis 19:24-25), imagine that scenario on a wide-spread basis. Pyroplastic flow from Vesuvius into Pompeii put temperatures inside of buildings up to the 400 degrees F or higher, and eliminated the inhabitants.
So, Al Gore and all his pals have some time to repent or face the consequences. Perhaps that could occur in the next 10 years, and it will be obvious enough to render
precise “climate monitoring” unnecessary. 🙂
If liars, thieves, corruptocrats, and other moral sewage exist in sufficient quantity to warrant such an event, it would lend accuracy to the prominent prophet of global thermal catastrophe’s attempt at being truthful, but I doubt that would spare him from the “housecleaning” crew, eh?
Also any scientist who values the data from large city heat islands is fooling his or her self
Just in case there might be a honest person here looking for information, go here to find the real story behind the measurements.
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/monitoring-references/faq/temperature-monitoring.php
You have no ideA what you are talking about
In June 2014, Goddard attracted considerable media attention for his claims that NASA had manipulated temperature data to make it appear that 1998 was the hottest year in United States history. In fact, he claimed, it was 1934, but NASA had started incorrectly citing 1998 as the hottest year beginning in 2000.[6] Goddard had been promoting these claims for years before this, including in a chapter of a book by Don Easterbrook,[7] but the mainstream media had not paid significant attention to it before then.[8] Those who promoted the claim included Christopher Booker, in a June 21 article in the Daily Telegraph,[9] and Fox News Channel host Steve Doocy three days later in a Fox and Friends segment.
The claim was dismissed by Politifact.com, which rated it as “pants on fire”—its lowest possible rating. Politifact contacted Berkeley Earth scientist Zeke Hausfather, who told them that the problem with Goddard’s analysis was that it ignored the changes the network of U.S. weather stations had undergone over the last eighty years.[10] Goddard’s claims were also criticized by fellow climate skeptic Anthony Watts, who argued that his assertions of data fabrication were “wrong”, and criticized him for using absolute temperatures rather than anomalies in his analysis.[11]
You’re a scam.
Politifact are a bunch of left wing political hacks who intentionally misrepresented the story and refused to print my rebuttal.
So, you go to Wikipedia, that veritable fountain of incorruptible knowledge, copy and paste their content in which they cite politifact, which is easily demonstrable that they are a bunch of liberals, and you expect me to believe you? What’s next, Ted Kennedy sitting on a panel judging Clarence Thomas for being a womanizer? Or maybe, Hillary Clinton wiping her private server clean, and asking us to trust her that there was nothing there but carrot cake recipes and yoga (gag) pictures?
Oh, sorry, I forgot that the Wikipedia paste of yours, cited a scholar from Berkeley. Now I’m convinced, since we all know that Berkeley is a far right wing organization which does not get federal money.
Sooo, in other words we have no accurate data and so therefore cannot conclude that we have a climate change problem.
Perhaps you should read these articles, one by Watts and the other by Judith Curry. These were written after Watts initial dismissal and are quite interesting for anyone interested in truth as opposed to tribalism and posturing
http://judithcurry.com/2014/06/28/skeptical-of-skeptics-is-steve-goddard-right/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/06/28/the-scientific-method-is-at-work-on-the-ushcn-temperature-data-set/
I live just outside a US Air Force Base in Florida, just south of Canaveral. This base is one of the support bases for launches. About a year and a half ago they installed a new digital sign just inside the busiest gate, complete with a temp gauge. When the air gets very warm, say mid to high 80s it ALWAYS reads higher, e.g., if it is 86 degrees outside that gauge will tell everyone it’s in the low 90s. When the air temp is in the mid-90s I’ve seen it trying to tell me it’s a 100 and four degrees outside!!! Soooo, do they use those numbers in their reporting system?
And you believe NOAA, you must also believe in unicorns, mermaids, and honest politicians.
roaring laughing!!!!….
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Vendicar Decarian says:
July 28, 2015 at 6:31 pm
Just in case there might be a honest person here looking for information, go here to find the real story behind the measurements.
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That’s a NOAA link!!!!
Did you actually read anything in the link you provided? Every statement of ‘fact’ that noaa provides proving the validity of their observations is followed later in the same paragraph by a statement disproving what they just proved. Typical governmental double talk.
Going to a government owned and operated site to determine if the government is telling you the truth is tantamount to believing that Bill Clinton isn’t a horn dog womanizer. Sorry but I have worked closely with the government for far too long to trust much of what they put out as factual information.
Goddard doesn’t engage on the points raised regarding his “fellow climate skeptic” Anthony Watts, who apparently criticized his data fabrication assertions and his analysis. Very Telling.
Watts retracted his criticism about 48 hours later, and Politifact refused to correct it.
Watts shot from the hip…was proved wrong…and Goddard right…Watts ate crow and apologized..
Very telling about you Moltobene
This blog is a bit deceptive in that it implies that truth is to be found in the raw data. Clearly that’s wrong. On the other hand, your rebuttal implies that we need to trust NOAA’s methodology. I don’t and if you were an honest person you wouldn’t either.
You have no idea what you are talking about. No data set is perfect, but the raw data is excellent and needs to be left alone.
Oh Look – Trolls are out today. Google “Vendicar Decarian troll” for the goods on this shill.
Its almost like one of those bot programs that put together junk phrases.
Except the bot program makes more sense than this mindless twerp.
NOAA are the ones doctoring the data. Why no recommend going to Hillary’s site to learn about Benghazi.
I believe NOAA and the IPCC. NOAA and the IPCC say that the human contribution to the influx of CO2 into the atmosphere is 3% of the total, natural forces contribute 97%.
I guess human produced CO2 is a really, really powerful greenhouse gas.
The land based system of weather stations is a joke. Siting issues are just one of many problems. Who, for example, maintains them? . Have you ever visited one?
That’s not a valid argument, please don’t use it. Humans contribute 3% of CO2 on an annual basis, sure but the other 97% is the carbon cycle and is re-used every year. It doesn’t count as the INCREASE in CO2. As for the increase in CO2, humans account for 100% of it. You should not use this argument because it makes our side look bad.
So according to you, nature differentiates between CO2 based on whether it originates from natural sources or human sources (and everyone knows humans aren’t part of nature). It naturally recycles the CO2 from natural origin, but allows the human originated CO2 to remain in the atmosphere. Gotcha.
Who said you had to differentiate it? What a stupid argument.
If you make 100 dollars a day and spend 100 dollars a day, and your mother gives you 3 dollars a day, she only accounts for 3% of your income but 100% of your savings.
Just to clarify, she gave you $3 on top of the $100 you are already getting
“As for the increase in CO2, humans account for 100% of it. ”
That is highly debatable. The small amount of warming in the oceans due to the series of strong solar peaks last century, would lead to outgassed CO2.
Yes, we have had a contribution, and nature is thanking us, but 100% of the increase.
I doubt it very much.
Three volcanoes produce more CO2 than all of Human production. And there are 1500 volcanoes erupting right now on this planet! So why is not the temperature of the Earth not a Hellish 900 Degrees like on Venus?
Outgassing from temperature changes would only happen if the oceans were at their saturation point for CO2. The oceans are nowhere near the saturation point so CO2 levels have nothing to do with temperature. This is a myth a lot of people don’t understand.
In fact, CO2 levels are lowest near the poles and highest in warm ocean water because of the decomposition of organic matter in warm water, and lack thereof in cold water. Ocean pH is much lower in tropical water.
http://www.seafriends.org.nz/oceano/oceanph.jpg
Theresa that’s horse manure
Morgan…your argument is saying that the 97% means the carbon cycle is saturated…
The oceans are far from saturated with CO2. A bottle of Coca Cola is saturated with CO2. Is there fizz in ocean water?
No Morgan,
Its to do with equilibrium constants.
A slight warming will require a slight outgassing.
Basic chemistry.
The oceans are far from saturated with CO2…..
really?….but yet the 3% man contributes accumulates
Warming of oceans causes an increased production of CO2 due to decomposition of dead plants and animals, which results in the lower pH in warmer waters, as seen on my chart, but the excess is outgassed, so yeah, whatever.
Morgan, it is your argument that is stupid one. You are claiming that prior to human CO2, the environment was in stasis regarding the carbon cycle. That is complete nonsense. As more CO2 has gone into the atmosphere following warmer temperatures, the biosphere responds in kind. What accounts for the greening of the planet if not from better growing conditions accompanied with more plant food, CO2? I understand the argument you are making but it is only true if the climate system remains stable, which it most certainly does not.
Spren, let me fix that for you:
“Morgan, it is your argument that is intelligent one. You are claiming that prior to human CO2, the environment was in stasis regarding the carbon cycle. That is true. As more CO2 has gone into the atmosphere following human burning of fossil fuels, the biosphere responds in kind. What accounts for the greening of the planet if not from better growing conditions accompanied with more plant food, CO2, from fossil fuels? I don’t understand the argument you are making, because I’m a dumbass who thinks fossil fuel combustion doesn’t make CO2.”
No Morgan. I don’t think you are a dumbass at all. I just think you are completely wrong on this. I don’t think nature has any concern from where the Co2 originates, natural or fossil-fuel generated. It is CO2 period and nature employs it accordingly. Climate is never in a static condition, it is always changing. It either warms or it cools. But the biosphere does respond to increasing levels of CO2 by producing more life on the planet. The models project much more atmospheric CO2 than what is actually observed. They puzzle over the missing CO2. It seems to me that it goes to promote the development of the biomass on the planet, whether on land or in the seas.
CO2 is CO2 regardless of its origin. I don’t think nature cares what isotope it carries. I enjoy reading most of your comments and positions, but I sure can’t follow you on this. I think you are being defensive and obstinate on this issue.
Thank you for the link. Sorry, but it is scientific double talk and very much subject to the influence of predrawn conclusions.
Early in the article it attempts to contradict the changes upon the measurement sites that would introduce a bias. In reality, in the late 1990’s under the influence of VP Al Gore, there was a mandate that all weather reporting stations require paced access. Perhaps that was to fulfill the updates the article inferred; however, it totally disregarded that the monitoring stations are now adjacent to or surrounded by black asphalt. Many sites that would not allow paved access were taken out of service at that time. It is also the period of the highest jump in surface temperatures in the Continental US.
Please note that the hand recorded readings may have been statistically more error prone in random input, they were considerably less prone to electronic manipulation or biasing.
Specifically, the article spends many words rationalizing why their biasing is necessary while denying that biasing is occurring.
Follow the $$$$$$$$, stupid!
Steven,
Thanks for the work you are doing.
I have been trying to find the best way to view my raw local data and compare it to the current adjusted NCDC or USHCN data.
I downloaded the two files linked to your first USHCN Comparison chart and found my local individual station information but no headers. “USH000***** 1892 879b 1460 1427 1921 2259f 2504 2528 -9999 2399 -9999 -9999 1247a” .
Can you help me determine the headers, or point me to an easier way to bring my local raw data and adjusted data into Excel?
Get this file http://cdiac.ornl.gov/ftp/ushcn_v2.5_monthly/readme.txt
Sorry, wrong file. Get this one: ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ushcn/v2.5/readme.txt
Also might want ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ushcn/v2.5/ushcn-v2.5-stations.txt
Thank you!!
Their funding should be pulled for providing fraudulent research. No one tell Al Gore he was wrong again! Keep letting him live his dream that he can control the climate and all of us!
Y’all most really enjoy your echo chamber of ignorance and conspiracy theories. Your guru is a fraud.
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Steve Goddard does not have a background in climate science. He has primarily published his articles in blogs and newspapers using a pseudonym, and it is unlikely he has ever been published in a peer-reviewed journal on the subject.
http://www.desmogblog.com/steven-goddard
Meanwhile the world changes and you absolve yourselves of responsibility.
http://www.hngn.com/articles/113289/20150727/salmon-dying-overheated-waters.htm
you are an idiot.
Nice reply! Substantive, respectful, and factual… All things we should expect from someone who isn’t an actual scientist.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
M ay be not respectful, but factual
And if this is really you, which I sincerely doubt, you are a liar. I know you to be a liar because I have worked for you in the past. You were a liar then for political purposes to win government grants and you have not changed a bit.
You may fool some of the people but you don’t fool me and Steven Goddard is a liar. Now track me down and prosecute me for telling the truth. It will be a media feeding frenzy. I suggest you clamp your lying mouth shut and remain silent before you are really exposed for the things you have done in your career.
But as I said at the beginning of my post I doubt you are THE Steven Goddard. A liar perhaps but not the same lying Steven Goddard that I know.
At the top of the page is a link “Who is Steve Goddard”.
Perhaps you should read it.
Freeland_Dave….you just proved that you are the liar
You are a liar, an idiot and a scumbag.
You worked for somebody named Steven Goddard? Who is that? ROTFLMAO
“Echo chamber”? And you cite desmogblog to ridicule Tony Heller? Desmogblog is run by a PR man, Jim Hoggan, and a Left Wing ideologue, Brendan Demelle who, because of his lack of training in any scientific discipline, MUST echo the opinions of other Marxist media outlets, who themselves echo other “Progressive” media sources. At least Tony Heller holds a Bachelors of Science and a Bachelors in Electrical Engineering.
By the way, desmogblog makes a point of Heller using a pseudonym, claiming he is trying to hide his real identity. What is YOUR real identity, “Mark Twain”.
probably PSU.EDU
Analyzing temperature data doesn’t require a PHD in Climate Science. A lot of science and engineering degrees roam this blog. And your degree is in what? Liberal Arts?
D. Self. Boy talk about ad hominem shots. Pretty funny though.
Look out for Mark next time you order a coffee .
Arts degrees litter the barista scene.
Salmon are probably dying from radiation poisoning they got out in the Pacific. But nobody talks that.
So they’re releasing reservoir water to cool the Columbia River. Are they aware there’s a drought in the area? Or, are they trying to make that worse too?
How many Google pages did you have to sift through before you found this “HNGN” article? Also, the story cites the Ass-ociated Depressed as their information provider, which isn’t a very believable “source” to rational adults who stopped believing that unicorn tears were the energy wave of tomorrow a long time ago. Your “proof” was ALL of six paragraphs, with NO cause and effect as to why the salmon were dying…just an “AP reports,” after their specious claim. As Goddard said below, you’re an idiot and an easily-led fool.
Check out this chart.
Satellite data (the most accurate temperature measurements we have) shows there has been NO global warming for almost twenty years now — and during that time harmless, beneficial CO2 (the sawtooth in the graph) is steadily rising.
Inescapable conclusion: The trace gas CO2 does not cause the endlessly predicted global warming. The predictions were wrong. All of them.
Furthermore, the rise in CO2 (“carbon”) is causing a measurable GREENING of the planet: agricultural productivity is rising in lock-step with the rise in harmless CO2.
Folks, they’ve been lying to you all along. The “carbon” scare is completely baseless. It is designed to help pass a “carbon” tax — which has always been every government’s wet dream: to tax the air we breathe.
Think about it. No global warming at all for almost 20 years. And every scary prediction they’ve made has been flat wrong. But they’re still lying about it.
As usual, follow the money, and ask yourself: “Cui bono?” — who benefits?
And it ain’t you or me…
“Steve Goddard does not have a background in climate science. ”
Neither does Jim Hanson (astrophysics). Nor David Suzuki (genetics). Nor do many other “experts.” Understanding data, and recognizing it’s manipulation, does not require specialization in the field.
As soon as you cite desmog, you mark yourself as a piece of low-life excrement.
Thanks for bringing visibility to this information. Can you tell me where this data was procured and is it accessible to anyone/everyone? (In other words, can you point to a link on a government-sponsored site that contains this data?)
This would be great information but I always need to know the source of the data before I fully subscribe to conclusions drawn by it.
The links to the data are right there.
The fact that the scientists are now lying to us sends a chill down my spine. See what I did there?
The unadjusted chart shows temperatures largely taken in the evening at the right, and largely taken in the morning at the left.
Morning air temperatures are of course cooler than evening air temperatures.
Hence the apparent – but fake – cooling.
Utter nonsense. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Could you expound on that comment? In what way was Vendicar Decarian mistaken?
He is making nonsense up, based on a gross misunderstanding of the Time of Observation Bias adjustment.
Well spoken Stephen.
How did you correct for the time of observation changes in your calculations Mr. Goddard?
The unadjusted chart shows temperatures largely taken in the evening at the right, and largely taken in the morning at the left.
Morning air temperatures are of course cooler than evening air temperatures.
Hence the apparent – but fake – cooling.
He didn’t say anything !
They have been lying about global warming and plenty of other things over the decades. Their “ancestors” are the same who swore that Piltdown man, Java man, Peking Man and Nebraska man were absolute proof of evolution. All were exposed as outright frauds. Take what a scientist says with a grain of salt when there is a hidden agenda whether it be the cult of man made global warming, evolution, etc.
In the late 1980’s NOVA produced a one hour show titled “Do Scientists Cheat?” After giving several examples, some involving PhD work which was used to support medical treatments which could be life threatening, their research of the two NIH scientists who published the report on which the program was based led them to the estimate that 48% of all research is fraudulent due to cherry picking, padding,, trimming or created data out of thin air. The end result was that the two NIH scientists were sent to desk jobs in the boonies. Most of the original whistle blowers cited in the show were sorry they reported the felonious research because doing so hurt their career as much as the crooks were harmed. The CRU was revealed in the two leaked zip files to have exercised all of the cheating techniques mentioned in the NOVA episode, and they even discussed it in the 1,072 emails in the first zip file. The HARRY_README.TXT file is replete with complaints about the sordid condition of the data files on which the hockey stick files were supposedly based. Following the profanity in the file leads one to the blatant admissions of “synthetic” data, missing data, and all the trimming, cooking, and cherry picking one would have imagined would have never made its way into real scientific research. However, one the review panels of the climate journals are hijacked by AGW ideologues who “peer review” each others papers, the claim of peer reviewed research rings hollow.
Everything you say is true. Especially the fate of whistle blowers. Nobody likes a snitch. You have to go along to get along in every job or profession. Honest people are a threat to the whole system.
And, it is odd how quickly down the memory hole those emails went.
What I find interesting is that it seems every newscast begins with an “extreme” weather story. I think it is a subtle means to condition us to the global warming mythology.
Oh, it’s a “means,” alright — but far too pervasive and consistent to be called “subtle.”
Right. it’s called propaganda
You want the answer to the money trail?
Though loaded with short sentences to get the message across here – no time to write today, start back in the late 80’s, go to Chicago, root out the creation of the Joyce Foundation (about 1991 as I recall) and related connections. Yep, you will find some familiar names there like Maurice Strong, Barack and Michelle Obama, Valerie Jarrett, Al Gore, and more.
They conceived of a plan that we know today as Cap and Trade. They knew that there was a coming globalization of the energy and social justice cooperative movement that would result in the sovereignty barriers dropping and global taxation was on its way. Since the Kyoto Protocols were formally rolled out to the world the concept of the G1 nations were to start paying for the G+ nations global footprint (includes emissions, trade, social justice, et al) and that there was going to be a tremendous financial opportunity building itself into place to create a business called the Global Cap and Trade exchange system. Their proformas showed that once the exchange system got off the ground and running their own 10-year projections working at a skim (exchange fees) would put about 10 billion $$ in profits after EBITDA, and that just the beginning. Essentially, the whole model is linked to the concept that we consumers of air, water, and energy must pay to play and they intend to get paid a % of that money.
Do you your homework and always, I repeat, always follow the money.
97% of Scientists! Could someone explain where that number comes from? Perhaps a list of the scientist’s names and titles so one can compare the numbers of who is for and who is against the Global Warming / Climate Change matter. Put one list in one column and one in another column for ease of comparison.
Names would allow one to look them up on line and find out out more about their qualifications and publications. Are noted Physicists, Statistics experts, Geologists, etc.with contrary opinions included in this list?
Climatology is a new discipline so just listing “Scientists” who carry that title would skew the comparison as would listing only “Scientists who publish in Climatology Journals” which often are biased in whom they accept for publication. I never see negative results reported and negative or refuting studies are just as important in proving or disproving scientific theory.
Otherwise this 97% number is meaningless.
More than 97% of the “greatest scholars and learned men” in the world of the 16th Century opposed Galileo and Copernicus. I certainly hope that we do not now validate science by an election vote of some kind. That hasn’t been very successful with our political leaders so far.
I’m not strongly for or against in this controversial issue, I just want some believable data.
Listening to the Pope espouse on the matter is amusing to say the least given the track record the Catholic Church has had in the realm of Science.
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They falsely categorize the 97% of scientists who agree that CO2 causes *some* warming as believing it will be catastrophic.
The 97% number comes from a non-study by non-scientist and true science crank named John Cook, who runs a web site I don’t remember the link to, something about skeptical science or some other horse manure. Not worth going there or knowing about it.
Cook had his mates read through some paper abstracts, and decide if the paper supported the hypothesis of “climate change™ “.
Of course it ended up exactly at the same 97% as the DZ study, as pre-destined.
A very dubious study indeed. !!
All Cook’s (and friends) studies start with the conclusion, then manufacture fake evidence.
That is the main underLYING facet of his work.
Pls see the following and be sure to read the methodology before you read Table 4
http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/pdf/1748-9326_8_2_024024.pdf
Ed, thank you for the link. If you follow and read the references cited by the article, it is very clear the consensus is much lower than the percentage offered, When 66% of those queried made no determination, it is evident there is insufficient data or evidence to form a defensible conclusion.
Exactly my point.
I haven’t read the Pope’s actual document, and neither have you. I understand there is very little about “climate change” in it. However, the “Big Bang” theory was first proposed by a Belgian priest who also first computed the Hubble constant. Why are there so many craters on the moon named after Jesuits? I’ve heard but not confirmed that Galileo was placed under house arrest (not executed as other potentates of the time would have done) for making fun of his patrons (the church) and promoting the heliocentric theory (he was correct) and that the sun causes ocean tides (he was wrong) before all the proofs could be worked out. I don’t know. As I said, I’ll have to research.
The original 97% came from a survey by Doran And Zimmerman (iirc)
Some 30,000 responses to a couple of heavily loaded questions, and they still had to whittle it down to 74 out of 77 = approx. 97% !
AGW is destroyed by Holocene non-tree proxy evidence. It’s destroyed by “hide the decline.” It’s destroyed by satellite data, returning ice, sea surface temps, and their own adjusted evidence of CO2 in ice layers didn’t adjust the fact that temp. leads CO2, off the graph.
Another example proves they aren’t mistaken. They’re lying.
If Alarmists in power thought CO2 dangerous, they would regulate it. What good would selling the right to pollute to the highest bidder do to fix this supposed problem?
I want to buy some lead gas and PCB credits. Got any?
What has become obvious to me is that the entire universe of all the space around Earth is cooling and this makes it look like Earth is warming even though Earth is staying the same as it always was. This is what makes these innocent global warming hoaxers look so bad.
Anyone could make up a data file and compress it into a .gz. Why would I accept this from the author anymore than anything else??
The link is the NOAA website
The unadjusted chart shows temperatures largely taken in the evening at the right, and largely taken in the morning at the left.
Morning air temperatures are of course cooler than evening air temperatures.
Hence the apparent – but fake – cooling.
there’s an echo in here
well Frank, ask yourself who benefits? Steve won’t receive a dime from Crap and Trade unlike Ovomit, Gorey, and the like who will “facilitate” the unicorn fart carbon credit exchanges and pocket BILLIONS. And the scientists whose entire budgets are predicated on grants which are predicated on having a problem to solve: no global warming, no grant money.
LOL… Great chain of discussions here. I myself hold the CO2 argument near and dear. Problem with it is, CO2 at its current levels are not a green house gas. I would also like someone to explain why there was an ice age 15K years ago and it abated about 13K years ago which was interestingly enough preceded by many other ice ages and warming trends before that. Actually the answer is celestial mechanics and Melankovich Cycles. There are those selling the GW scam cool aide to the ignorant for nothing more than political gain and there is no shortage of people to drink it. It makes sense if you think about it. However, I am proud to say that I am an “anthropogenic GW denier” AKA “Troglodyte” as some Lefties have identified me. People… a book written long ago stated, “Do not argue with fools lest you become one yourself.” Most pro GW peeps have poured their beliefs into one statistic, one purveyor of their truth, one social belief system, and it isn’t a debate for you because no amount of reality you can present them will ever be able to shine through their veil of ignorance. That doesn’t mean stupid by the way. But if the word bothers you, you might be stupid. LOL
Sell the climate Marxists – degrowthers – property in the North or trade northern property for southern property…
Climate science has nothing to do with climate or science as it is a new manifestation of Marxism or statist political control – anti-capitalism, anti-industrial revolution, essentially degrowthers…
I’m sure God is like, yeah go ahead crap in all the rivers and streams, foul the air, throw your trash all over the place, I’m Ok with it really.
Moron alert
Be good stewards to all that is entrusted to us.
Has nothing to do with CO2
increasing CO2 is a good thing for the planet
Straw man
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This article is about the logical fallacy. For other uses, see Straw man (disambiguation).
“Man of straw” redirects here. For the novel by Heinrich Mann, see Der Untertan.
A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent’s argument, while actually refuting an argument which was not advanced by that opponent.[1]
The so-called typical “attacking a straw man” argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent’s proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition (i.e., “stand up a straw man”) and then to refute or defeat that false argument (“knock down a straw man”) instead of the original proposition.[2][3]
This technique has been used throughout history in polemical debate, particularly in arguments about highly charged emotional issues where a fiery, entertaining “battle” and the defeat of an “enemy” may be more valued than critical thinking or understanding both sides of the issue.
Cringe…and yet you waste your time with this??
get off your lazy ass boy and go clean something that really matters
You’re right about being good stewards, but you are wrong in thinking that good stewardship includes being petty and condescending.
It gets hot in the summer and cold in the winter. It’s hot in the afternoon and colder at night. It’s called the weather. Get used to it climate-fraudsters.
Follow the link to a simplified explanation of how AGW is proven to be an incorrect theory. http://sciencespeak.com/SimpleHotspot.pdf
If Steve is so wrong, why doesn’t to AGW crowd sue him? Maybe they don’t want to get in a situation where facts and data might rule??
I for one cannot wait to see the results of Mikey Mann’s hocky-schtick trial.
Mike ain’t gonna like being put on the stand to testify. The price he (Mann) will pay for attempting to sue his critics into silence.
And that is exactly the 2-edged sword any climate grantologist will avoid at any cost. The jig is up when they are forced to admit there is precious little scientific and even less statistical justification for the “adjustments” being made to the temperature record.
Hell one of my favorite hobby-horses it the adjustment of the temperature color maps. 20 years ago, the brown range was for temperatures between 100 and 110ºF. Now it starts at 92º F. I’d love to hear the justification for that one, let alone the rationalization for starting the “alarming red” temperatures at 76ºF….
Long, long ago, the 70-80ºF deg range was represented with a pleasant yellow graduation into oranges in the 80-90ºF range with “alarming red” reserved for 90-100ºF
Right about now we’re all supposed to be wearing Eskimo parkas, if you believe the 1970’s global cooling news rag selling hypsters. Now it’s “maybe it’s warming, maybe it’s cooling” and that sells news ad space. Al Gore for invented the internet to sell air conditioners and parkas, while collecting donations to stop it, which ever way the weather is going each day.
Great expose’! Next we need to expose the fallacy behind the science of so called ‘gravity’. I have learned that gravity, in fact, does not exist. I am writing this while floating in the air with my laptop.
floating on something.. that’s for sure.
put the dong down !!!
A tax on gravity will stop any “floating in the air with my laptop.”
Like a war on carbon(sic), a war on gravity is just as illogical.
Before you believe anything from Vendicar Decarian just google him and decide for yourself if he can be believed based on his previous statements
http://judithcurry.com/2014/07/07/understanding-adjustments-to-temperature-data/
Can someone explain to me how if during a typical 24 hour cycle ( that’s called a day, by the way) the temperature jumps approximately 20 degrees F, yet the plants seem to thrive especially in those really “hot” months of global warming ( some call it summer)? this cycle repeats on a 24 hour timeframe so plants are continually subjected to HUGE temperature fluctuations (20/24= 0.83 degrees per hour) but the world is dying because of 8 degrees a century ( 8/100 years= 0.000009 degrees/hour)?!
I will publicly state that the temperatures have been altered. NOAA does not have the all-time temperature high for Kennewick, WA (Tri-Cities, WA) of 117 °F on July 13, 1990 (the predicted high was 95 °F). The state record was set 8-10 miles away at Ice Harbor Dam in 1961 at 118 °F. That’s the easy one, that area has repeatedly had long heat waves (2 weeks of 110+ °F) peaking above 110+°F. Kennewick, Richland, and Pasco, all have incorrect data for the highest temperature.
Poor Bill deNYE the Moron Guy. He has his hands all over this fraud.
CO2 only makes up about 1% of the earths atmosphere. The entire warming theory is based on a few thousands of a percent change in that 1% of CO2. So we are talking about an incredibly small number. To assume they even measured accurately over the past 100 years is pretty laughable and just cute they got the Pope on board.
They might have found something had they been measuring just water vapor.
“CO2 only makes up about 1% of the earths atmosphere”
Far less.. about 0.04% ie 400 parts per million.!!!
Please get basic numbers correct
Figures don’t lie, but liars figure!
One of the most important goals of the international corporate elite is to convince us to believe in anthropogenic (man-made) global warming. Why? Because that facilitates the expansion of the international corporate elite’s control by centralizing power through supra-national organizations — such as the “new global political authority” recently called for by Pope Francis.
When the international corporate elite — via its government and corporate media representatives – declares something is true, you know it is false; when the international corporate elite declares something is good, you know it is bad. As a rule, the more strenuously the international corporate elite and its government and corporate media representatives promote an idea, the more strenuously we should believe the opposite.
When they tell us vaccines are safe, we know that vaccines are poison; when they tell us GMO foods are safe, we know that GMO foods are poison; when they tell us that adding hexafluorosilicic acid to drinking water is safe (fluoridation), we know that hexafluorosilicic acid is poison. When they tell us that ISIS is a large Islamic terrorist organization that sprang up fully-formed out of nowhere and that it must be defeated at all costs, we know that ISIS is a manufactured enemy created to provide an excuse for more war and more government control.
And so it is with anthropogenic global warming. The most significant factors in the earth’s climate are sun spot activity, volcanism, and the precession of the earth’s orbit. The actual temperature fluctuations of the past hundred years are not excessive; total global ice cover is increasing, not decreasing (the decline in arctic ice is more than offset by record amounts of Antarctic ice); and according to the geologic record, earth is about due for another ice age. That’s right: We are headed for a lengthy period of global COOLING.
Everything presented to us by the corporate media is driven by the economic ambitions of the international corporate elite — we get scripted stories designed to make us act and think in ways that benefit the elite and damage the rest of us.
Latest details on a sports-team trade or celebrity break-up? No problem. The truth about anything of importance? Another matter entirely.
The only real value of the corporate media is that it tells us what the corporate elite want us to think — outside of the occasional mistake, such as when the reporter first on the scene at the Pentagon on 9/11 said there was no evidence of a plane crash. . .
Do you sleep with that tin-foil hat on?
One sentence Lisa! Keep with the single syllables and ad hominem attacks and I guess you can’t fail to be ‘scientific’. You get 5 gold stars … now back to your play dough.
Shocker. They lied.
Like it matters, everything has a shelf life global warming or not. I’m tired of people acting like we are all going to live forever. WAKE UP or not….. either way the outcome is the same. There is your scientific data.
Climate extortion is ancient: shamans threatened villagers with earthquakes, tsunamis,drought, floods and volcanic eruptions all through man’s existence to get frightened villagers to bring sacrifices to the temple.
When the cyclical event occurred anyway, the kahuna declared: “Insufficient sacrifice! Bring more!”
BTW, cyclical warming and cooling are as old as the planet and driven mostly by the sun, not man.
This bogus reporting us not so much about warming but about population control. This is at the heart of what all this is about.
The best place to get real peer reviewed (anything that actually says its peer reviewed is usually a scam, all of the “scientists” are in on it) science is a WordPress called “Real Science”. Thanks Steven Goddard.
I think Obama promised the sun will never have nuclear weapons.
🙂
Let’s assume that the measurements are correct which they probably aren’t, but let’s go along with their game. Temperatures are constantly changing in every single different location based on numerous factors, some of which we may not even understand the various relationships such as the earths constantly changing electromagnetic field on the constantly shifting earths axis. Do you take the weighted average? I don’t care how great the program is and how good the algorithms are that calculate these measurements, the conclusions are relatively worthless. Climate scientists are just like Doctors, they will and have sold out for the all mighty dollar and the government budgets and grants prove this. 90% of all cancers have no chance of being cured by chemotherapy or radiation yet that is the standard MO of the allopathic community, whose making a fortune along with the pharmaceutical companies. 97% of all cancer “victims” that use chemotherapy and/or radiation die within five years. The Earth “may” be getting warmer and the oceans rising, but mankind is not yet intelligent enough to know for sure what is causing it or if it is not some natural phenomena such as increased solar flaring. It is so complex that neither side can prove or disprove the other. Is the Atlantic seaboard dropping or is the ocean really rising. Really, you think we can really know this with all the actions and reactions going on everyday on this planet and solar system. How do we know that it’s not the gravitational pull from a group of planets in so sort of weird alignment that is not causing it and as soon as that changes, we will really start getting warmer or perhaps cooler. You not as smart as you think because your being tested against other people who are not as smart as they think. lol.
I have to ask,,
What the heck happened to draw this many comments to this thread??
Been a long time since I’ve seen this many new posts on a topic.
It’s on the front page of Drudge, Andy…..
Well that is good.. Really starting to get the message out.
No wonder there is a massive influx of trolls.. and they seem to be particularly DUMB trolls at that !!
LOL….
Drudge Report
The left’s “man-made climate change” bullsh*t was a lie from day one and always will be. 100% political, 0% science and fact.
Steven, I indeed find the scale of this data tampering breathtaking. What justification has NOAA ever provided for such alteration? It’s essentially gospel in things like physics and engineering that you do NOT adjust or alter raw data or measurements. It’s in precisely the small variations between theory and what is observed that new discoveries emerge. Newtonian physics for example was surpassed by Einstein;s revisions precisely because there were too many observed variations being observed in the 19th C between theory and observations. The Ptolemaic universe was overthrown in the 16th century because increasingly precise measurement showed that Earth was not the centre of the universe; the equant was.
So I ask in all honesty, how does NOAA justify all this?
They have some feeble heavily confirmation bias weighted justifications written up, but the actual data tampering is much larger than they document.
Nothing like being afraid of losing funding to start the old lie process to going. Hell, I don’t blame them. It is easier to make it up and perpetuate your paycheck. Prius payments aren’t free you know. Take care all.
Well,
gay “marriage” has made the US a Sodom and Gomorrha
Summer 2015 is the coolest and rainiest summer in midwest Oklahoma that I’ve ever seen. We’ve had record cool and record rain this summer.
Biggest scam in world history.
This the biggest fraud ever, carbon taxes is the goal. People pushing this lie needs convicting.
If you’re interested:
http://judithcurry.com/2014/07/07/understanding-adjustments-to-temperature-data/
Some of the comments on this post appear to show one of the effects of the legalization marijuana. Any adult cutting and pasting on current climate issues from Wikipedia is showing sure sign of an altered mental state with a total lack of situational awareness.
I understand your problem though. Your incapable of disputing the data and so you attack the blogger that posts it. Attack the data folks, if you can, because your Alisnky tactics won’t work here.
“Wikipedia” ….
a high proportion of climate change related information in Wikipedia has been through the “WC” treatment.. (William Connelly, for the less well informed)
WC is a rabid LYING alarmist who somehow gained an “editors” position in Wikipedia
He has edited and the locked several thousands of Wikipedia entries.
DO NOT take anything on climate science in Wikipedia as anything more than propaganda JUNK !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBPmli4lnzE
The Climate Deception Dossiers
https://youtu.be/FS5CH-Xc0co?t=73
Onion of Concerned Propagandists.
You do know that Antony Watt’s dog Kenji is a member, don’t you ??
“Onion of Concerned Propagandists.” – AndyG55
General opposition to climate science is a strong predictor of opposition to all science.
Wow, you are a hopeless tool, Vendicar. “Climate Science” has no connection whatsoever to real science. Please explain how your “scientologists” in any manner practice the scientific method. Do they challenge their own hypotheses in a rigorous manner, allowing others the opportunity to actually replicate and validate the stated hypothesis by challenges provided by empirical observations? Do they freely make their data and algorithms available for others to conduct this scientific process? Do they welcome dissent and challenge openly, or do they try to suppress any such challenges?
There is nothing at all scientific about your favored scientists. They are more like some kind of primitive religion demanding fealty based solely on faith. All you have been doing is just parroting the nonsense promoted by the witch doctors you support.
General opposition to “climate science” is a strong predictor to opposition to all fact-free climate science, questionable-poorly-documented data adjustment statistics and poorly conceived, computer-generated fantasy climate models (none of the climate models account for clouds).
There, fixed it for you.
You wouldn’t know science if it bit you on the butt then grabbed your b****.
You have proved you are as ignorant as the slug !
Well said Spren. !! 🙂
There are in fact large corporate interests behind the disinformation of CO2 “climate science”. They are the largest global banks who will in effect exact a tax on the entire world economy when/if a mandatory carbon trading law is in force world wide. These are the main funders of “climate science”, the main backers of “climate change” politicians and the bankrollers of the green CO2 activists. They actually own the big oil companies that are sometimes tapped to play “loyal opposition” so it doesn’t look too lopsided.
They also are perpetuating the Easter Bunny myth. Certain issues they can’t be trusted on. Agreed.
*you’re
Anyone above the age of 8 should know the difference between “your” and “you’re”.
No surprise to me…put the gov’t in charge and they’ll create multiple agendas and bogus charts to document why illegal activity is justified. The US is the most corrupt gov’t in the world.
Yep, especially under our liar President Obama, what a fraud he is.
agree~~~now all we have to do is go out and convince the thousands of ‘the something for nothing’ crowd to stay away from voting…? howcome illegals can vote, anyway??
Where does it state in the Constitution that they can’t vote?
You talking about the douche bag who thinks partial-birth abortion is perfectly OK? Obama is a total piece of ass hockey-stick eye titties.
Yes, that guy!
Abortion is a horrible but essential aspect of women’s health.
I’m sure you agree.
The unadjusted chart shows temperatures largely taken in the evening at the right, and largely taken in the morning at the left.
Morning air temperatures are of course cooler than evening air temperatures.
Hence the apparent – but fake – cooling.
That’s amazing….how did they get that many people to gradually change the time they read them?
Good question
National guidelines were established for when temperatures should be read. In part this was to provide coordination with satellite observations which typically read on the terminator between sunlight and night.
The bigger question is why they make significant adjustments up for time of observation bias, but urban heat island effect? Meh.
And where exactly do you see this?
Um, Vendicar, care to try again. If LEFT=MORNING=COOLER and RIGHT=EVENING=WARMER then the unadjusted line should go from COOLER TO WARMER from LEFT TO RIGHT, showing a WARMING trend.
Older measurements tended to be in the evening. Current measurements tend to be from the morning. As a result there has been an artificial trend to cooler morning measurements, and a false cooling in the data.
This false cooling must be removed by adjusting the morning temperatures upward.
Another baseless assertion from V.D.
Does he just make these things up, or what?
“An evaluation of the time of observation bias adjustment in the U.S.
Historical Climatology Network” – GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH LETTERS, VOL. 30, NO. 20, 2046 – 2003 – Russell S. Vose, Claude N. Williams Jr., Thomas C. Peterson, Thomas R. Karl, and David R. Easterling
http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ushcn/papers/vose-etal2003.pdf
VD is venereal disease, He’s in the tertiary stage of syphilis
He’s a mindless troll. Google his name and it will open your eyes.
My eyes were open from his first moronic post ! 🙂
TO BS, or not TO BS?
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/?s=TOBS
You have just proven that you have ZERO UNDERSTANDING of the TOBs adjustment..
Well done. 🙂 The ignorance of the average climate apostle on display for all to see. 🙂
…..which incidentally has been shown just to be another baseless fudge to CREATE warming trends.
SG has done comparisons of stations that have and haven’t changed time of reading, and there is NO DIFFERENCE in the trend of the raw data.
“this paper evaluates the
reliability of these ‘‘time of observation bias’’ adjustments in
HCN. The results indicate that HCN station history
information is reasonably complete and that the bias
adjustment models have low residual errors. In short, the
time of observation bias adjustments in HCN appear to be
robust.”
“An evaluation of the time of observation bias adjustment in the U.S.
Historical Climatology Network” – GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH LETTERS, VOL. 30, NO. 20, 2046 – 2003 – Russell S. Vose, Claude N. Williams Jr., Thomas C. Peterson, Thomas R. Karl, and David R. Easterling
http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ushcn/papers/vose-etal2003.pdf
Links which you obviously have NOT read and understood. !
Copy paste as much as you like.. but do, at least, try to get enough education to actually understand the stuff first !!
It is true that the Time of Day adjustment is part of the adjustment that has created a hockey stick. However, there are still LOTS of questions about the relentless tinkering to get ever more extreme hockey stick adjustments.
What about the Urban Heat Island (UHI) effect? UHI is a true problem. It is well known and ought to amount to a REVERSE hockey stick adjustment. The adjusters say: “oh we corrected for that”. But when you look at the amount of UHI correction that they actually use, it was effectively ZERO. No UHI is actually acknowledged.
In addition, over the years there have been a great many adjustments. Invariably these adjustments are in the direction of increasingly steep hockey sticks. What are the statistical odds of that happening?
The author also makes the point that much of the extreme hockey stick adjustments now being used is due to infilling of non-existent data with values that the modelers find convenient. Surely that strikes you as stinking to heaven,
The relentless tinkering comes from the constant re-evaluation of science at all levels.
New measurements are always coming in, new analytical methods used, data sets extended, etc.
In science the current view is always in motion with ever increasing precision and finer/smaller degrees of variation.
This is science. If you don’t understand it, or can’t accept it, then you have no business in an adult conversation about science.
Typical Armenian: lying, cheating, fraudster.
Seriously: a person would have to be a total MORON to believe ANYTHING coming from the OBOZO dictatorship / caliphate !!!!!
On Monday Republicans complain that Obama is a dictator. On Tuesday they whine that he has left the country rudderless.
Please make up your minds.
I’m not a republican, or a Republican.
Nonetheless: O’Bomber is a wannabe dictator (ain’t quite there yet), who appears to have a mission of weakening this country.
The last Republican seemed to have the same mission, with a few different tactics.
The next president is likely to be assigned the same mission, whichever side of the duopoly s/he comes from.
You sure smell like a Republican. Tea Tarder then? LIbertarian kook?
All have the same whining problem. Today Obama is this, tomorrow he is the exact opposite.
The nation is laughing at you.
Those groups and the Democrats primarily serve the corporatocracy. O’Bomber is their current puppet and reads his lines quite well.
The “Tea Tarders”, as you call them, were an interesting demonstration of the current futility of political resistance. Things will get much worse before that is possible.
When you are given your lines to read, they may conflict with earlier ones.
Yeah but this doesn’t fit the progressive eco global warming religion narrative.
The claim of fraud at the NOAA is itself fraudulent, and I have provided the primary reason why.
Why do you think that Goddard’s Fraud supports your case?.
You have yet to point out any fraud on SG account.
Do try harder, you brain-washed ineffectual drone.
to quote a saying, figures don’t lie. But liars figure.
“If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there’d be a shortage of sand.” – Milton Friedman
Friedman’s preferred form of Economics is now seen – nearly universally – as a failure that has greatly damaged America.
Only silly people who don’t know any better are left quoting him.
Is there any place I can find the details of the file format ?
ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ushcn/v2.5/readme.txt
ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ushcn/v2.5/ushcn-v2.5-stations.txt
Glad someone asked for this information. I was wondering the same. I wish people would focus on the issue here and avoid all the name calling and silliness; this problem exists on both sides of this issue and is tiring. If we want to influence others to see and accept reality (that there is no warming, especially from human related activities), you MUST be reasonable and respectful.
Reality is vastly different to those that willingly swallow as truth anything the the government hangs out there. They can point to all sorts of ‘studies’ and ‘papers’, and call the rest of the world fools for not believing it all. To them it is totally unthinkable that they may actually be the wrong ones. Kool Aid – mooti for the masses. Drink up guys.
Thanks much appreciated.
Figures don’t lie, but liars can figure.
The unadjusted chart shows temperatures largely taken in the evening at the right, and largely taken in the morning at the left.
Morning air temperatures are of course cooler than evening air temperatures.
Hence the apparent – but fake – cooling.
amazing…..how did they time it so people gradually started reading the thermometers later in the day? did they draw numbers out of a hat?
Uh, if as you say the temperatures on the RIGHT are taken in the evening when temperatures are WARMER, and on the LEFT in the MORNING when temperatures are COOLER, then the unadjusted chart should show WARMING from LEFT to RIGHT, not COOLING. Care to try again?
Well done…You have just proven that you have ZERO UNDERSTANDING of the TOBs adjustment..
…..which incidentally has been shown just to be another baseless fudge to CREATE warming trends
The ignorance of the average climate apostle on display for all to see, as usual. 🙂
SG has done comparisons of stations that have, and haven’t, changed time of reading, and there is NO DIFFERENCE in the trend of the raw data.
Just another piece of fabrication.
Yes, because the scientists in the 1930’s had no idea how to measure temperatures, so the total pieces of shit who pretend to be scientists under the O’Commie administration now need to correct their data.
In the 1930’s official weather station temperature measurements were taken for the purpose of weather forecasting, not climate monitoring.
Yes, once we “adopted” a political climate agenda, we also got political temperatures, past and present. That doesn’t change the fact that the thirties were actually warmer than the nineties, which can be deduced by looking at state maintained record temperatures.
“That doesn’t change the fact that the thirties were actually warmer than the nineties” – Snowleopard
Sorry, but reality disagrees with you.
http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/images/indicator_figures/temperature-figure1-2015.png
He was talking REAL temperatures, not some NOAA/GISS fabrication.
EPA.. even more on the climate fraud bandwagon than NOAA/GISS, if that’s even possible… they even have the utter stupidity to call CO2 a pollutant.
That is how monumentally DUMB and agenda driven they have become.
And darned if even the RSS and UAH data on their graph doesn’t even match the real RSS and UAH data.
That’s how much of a FABRICATION/FRAUD that graph is !!
“EPA.. even more on the climate fraud bandwagon than NOAA/GISS” – AndyG55
Who else is in on this fraud – according to Andy
Everyone at JAXA
Everyone at the MET office
Everyone at Berkeley Earth
Everyone in the White House.
Virtually all scientists.
Who will AndyG55 add next to his list of conspirators?
Thermometer makers?
Bakers?
The Pope?
“And darned if even the RSS and UAH data on their graph doesn’t even match the real RSS and UAH data.” – AndyG55
It matches precisely of course.
You are just confused because the plot shows U.S. temperatures and you are comparing the plot with global temperatures.
My, My you are silly..
Here is the rise in temp shown in the RSS (satellite data set)
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from/to/plot/rss/from/to/trend
RSS satellite data shows a rise in global average temperature from -0.15 to + 0.35’C or about 0.5’C since 1978.
No, I have the UAH America48 data graphed in front of me.
It does not match.
I love it when I see mathematical fools putting linear trends across obvious major events.
It shows their ignorance.
BEST.. almost certainly fudging the data.. “regional expectations” and all
Muller is a rabid warmista, as are his troops.
Met office.. you mean the boys from Exeter… 😉
Jaxa use NOAA data don’t they.. DOH !!!
White house.. what the F*** do they have to do with it, except having an agenda driven goose at the top.
Ditto the Pope.. listening to the guy who invented the 2C warming limit, and admits he just invented it !! Really ???
But if you really want to play linear trend games….
America48 UAH shows a warming trend from 1979 of 0.168F/decade
but from 2005 shows a slight cooling trend.
USCRN shows a COOLING trend in the US of 0.23F/decade since it was established in 2005. Since 2005 (when it was forced to sync with USCRH, USHCN also shows a cooling trend.
The peak has been reached. expect a general cooling trend for a few decades,
(not in GISS though.. the world could be under ice and it would still show a warming trend.)
The air temperature changes 70 F each day in the desert because it’s so DRY. The CO2 didn’t hold the temperature at all. Global warming is a myth. There are temperature changes long term, for example, the global ice age, which had nothing to do with man at all, nor did temperatures rising again after it. All Gore would sell global cooling freaks parkas in the 1970’s, and air conditioners in the 2000’s. And if you didn’t buy them, he’d ask for donations to stop temperature, just because he could.
We know what causes ice ages. It isn’t CO2.
Ice ages are caused by long term variations in the earths orbital and rotational parameters. These changes occur slowly over tens of thousands of years.
Excluding orbital changes, CO2 is typically the primary driver of climate change through Earth’s history.
…uh no humidity is
If you can find some magic way of increasing global humidity without the increase coming from an increase in global temperature, then you might have a point.
But since there is no way to do that, you have nothing but delusion on your side.
“CO2 is typically the primary driver of climate change through Earth’s history.”
ABSOLUTE and COMPLETE RUBBISH !!!!!
If you believe it is rubbish then all you have to do is write a scientific paper setting out your alternative explanation for the current warming – Aliens, planet Niberu, Bigfoot, etc, and get it published. It your Bigfoot Theory holds up it will win a nobel prize.
What is keeping you Denialists? You have had 30 years to write it.
What current warming????
There has been NONE this century except that fabricated by NOAA/GISS
ALL the data sets that attempt an even, unaffected, UNTAINTED temperature series show COOLING since the culmination of the 1998 El Nino in 2001.
The slight warming in the latter half of last century (probably about half of what NOAA/GISS shows, is easily explained by the cumulative effects of the series of strong solar cycles. There are PLENTY of papers showing this to be the case.
Unfortunately, you can scream and rant all you like, but you are going to look even more of a FOOL when the cooling trend from the currently weak cycle starts to set in.
“There has been NONE this century except that fabricated by NOAA/GISS” – AndyG55
The minimum period for evaluating a temperature change on earth attributable to climate is 30 years. Changes that are faster are generally the result of weather, not climate.
It is no surprise then that there has been no temperature change attributable climate over the last 15 years.
15 is of course, half of thirty.
“The minimum period for evaluating a temperature change on earth attributable to climate is 30 years. ”
Chosen because it just happened to be the warming half of the 60 year cycle.
Of course the climate alarmista chose to start at the low point, that’s what all warming is based on. !!
It’s my first time on this site and it’s blatantly obvious that this VD fella is either a paid shill or a blind climate change zealot or a complete idiot. Perhaps all three?
I doubt anyone would pay him..
The 2nd and 3rd…… most definitely.!
I vote for paid.
Though I can’t rule out the other choices.
If I am hated by denialists then I must be telling the truth.
We are actually at a cold point in the current interglacial, slightly above the COLDEST period in the last 10,000 years !
https://vimeo.com/14366077
Weather is not climate, you willfully ignorant fuckstick!
Idiot. He wasn’t talking about weather, and neither was the video.
The satellite data shows little to no warming for 18 years. The only warming is in the adjusted(fake) land based temperature record(models). All this occurs with an increase in CO2.
i wonder why NASA ignores their own space based systems? Are they science deniers?
Not only orbital and Milankovitch cycles but also volcanism, and Solar cycles are perhaps the most important. Sol is a variable star. And CO2 follows temperature changes by as much as 400 years or more. That is why CO2 can still increase while temperatures decline. The Oceans warm and cool much more slowly than the atmosphere, and they store 50% more CO2 than what is in the atmosphere. Volcanism can pump enormous amounts of CO2, but also can have massive cooling effects depending on volume and altitude of SO2 injections. So, No. Plain and simple: CO2 does not drive climate change. Besides all that, H2O is the most potent and most plentiful GHG. You’ve been outed Venditard, so just go away and take your foul mouthed Lisatard with you,
“The CO2 didn’t hold the temperature at all.” – na na na
You do realize don’t you that there is another 273’C lower the temperature can go.
Why do you think it is -280’C below zero in the shade on the moon?
The desert temperature change of 70 F in a single day, is more than sufficient to show that CO2 has no impact on holding the temperature constant there, and is certainly not a blanket I’d want to depend on to stay warm. In the 70’s they used ‘stop temperature’ hype to tell everyone to change how they live to avoid global cooling, and now in the early 2000’s they’re repeating again with global warming. New laws, new taxes, yet nothing changed, it’s still changing 70 F in the desert in a day.
If you really want to lower CO2, stop breathing out, or buy a plant and park it next to you so it can eat the CO2 you exhale. Plants love the stuff.
Hey Newbies – Don’t forget to follow Steve on Twitter… @stevesgoddard
I agree with Dave Wilshire while hoping for a return to honesty, too bad too sad what money can do in the wrong hands.
Using FRAUD to get or use Government money is a CRIME is it not?
The scammers can be imprisoned under the RICO Act. Start with Algore.
First you would need a president who isn’t part of the scam.
You do realize that without Al Gore, you wouidn’t have this forum that offers you the ability to lie about him.
yeah, he invented the internet. Sure!
You mean the scam would never have gained any footing, right !
The funds and prestige he gave it with his moronic, farcical “Inconvenient Truth” was enough to let the scammer realise they could make hay while the sun shone.
Just another instance of Obama’s boys cooking the books. Pathetic!!!
Yep, Obama is pure evil, such a Liar, such a Liar!!! How can our President be such a low class scum bag liar and look in the mirror? He is so low, such a damn LIAR!!!
LOL!
Which is more likely to be lying? Thousands of Climatologists, and hundreds of thousands of supporting scientists, or a blogger who isn’t telling his audience that the principle reason for the upward adjustment in temperatures is due to the gradual change in temperature station reporting from the evening (old data), to morning reporting (new data)?
You have been scammed.
When they changed the time of day for the thermometer readings…how did they get people to do it on that gradual curve?
You have been duped. What happened in Antarctica? There is a ton of ice complicating shipping routes. Why don’t you just wait and see what happens over the next ten years. You liberal loons are in such a hurry to implement your socialist regulations aka epa because you know these are the facts and want loonatic laws in play to say you saved the world! It’s no mystery. Why don’t we talk about the tech billionaire who vowed to support global warming. You don’t think he has the money to buy and produce phony data off the greed of some scientists? So quit saying this is scewed. You loons will fight to death for your global warming farce.
Vendicar,
Your assertion is false — just like the rest of your assertions.
Name just a hundred of those “thousands of climatologists”. Fact is, there aren’t “thousands” of climatologists in the country. Very few schools even offer degrees in “Climatology”.
But there are plenty of people who read this site who have degrees in the hard sciences, which is all they need to thoroughly understand the “climate change” hoax.
If you were up to speed on this subject, you would understand that CO2 has been up to twenty times (20X) higher in the past, but it has never caused runaway global warming — or any global warming for that matter. There is simply NO geologic correlation between CO2 levels and global warming or cooling. None at all.
Best you keep your misinformation to yourself, to avoid ridicule.
Thousands of climate scientists that get their funding from…. Well? 😉
Any climate model that discounts changes in solar output and orbital changes over time is utter BS.
The first 2/3 or so of the Holocene were 2-3ºC warmer than now
I’m better the Flintstones caused that . 🙂
CO2 has basically ZERO effect on temperatures.
Even the climate glitterati are finally starting to figure this out, and the “assumed” temperature sensitivity to 2xCO2 has been on a rapid downward trend.. its nearly down to the correct value of 1.. ie ZERO TEMPERATURE RISE
http://jo.nova.s3.amazonaws.com/graph/models/climate-sensitivity/climate_sensitivity5.png
VD, Government funded scientists will lie to have a good PR! Obama said no one has a place in his administration who doesn’t believe in AGW/AGCC. NOAA/NASA/Academic institutions. You are a fool. You need to live in the private sector where the data analysis has to be right or you loose your job.
Uh I’d say the thousands of climatologists whose living depends on grants to do research on a phenomenon that, based on the actual data, isn’t really happening. It’s called a conflict of interest.
“CO2 has basically ZERO effect on temperatures.” – AndyG55
If only science supported your denialist delusion.
What makes you think that without strong government intervention that CO2 levels are going to stop rising at a doubling?
“Equilibrium climate sensitivity refers to the ultimate change in global mean temperature in response to a change in external forcing. Despite decades of research attempting to narrow uncertainties, equilibrium climate sensitivity estimates from climate models still span roughly 1.5 to 5 degrees Celsius for a doubling of atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration, precluding accurate projections of future climate” – Spread in model climate sensitivity traced to atmospheric convective mixing – Nature Jan 2014 – Steven C. Sherwood, Sandrine Bony & Jean-Louis Dufresne
How come your blogger graphic doesn’t show the 5’C sensitivity that is mentioned in the journal Nature (above).
Maybe because it comes from a know nothing Denialist Blogger.
“Uh I’d say the thousands of climatologists whose living depends on grants to do research on a phenomenon that, based on the actual data, isn’t really happening.” – Glom
Yes, this is why all of science is a fraud. Especially medicine.
“Despite decades of research attempting to narrow uncertainties, equilibrium climate sensitivity estimates from climate models still span roughly 1.5 to 5 degrees Celsius for a doubling of atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration, precluding accurate projections of future climate”
Thanks for that..
they have basically just said they haven’t got a clue. !!!
No wonder you like it 😉
“they haven’t got a clue.” – AndyG55
In fact it says the exact opposite. Scientists have predicted a sensitivity of 3’C +- 1’C essentially.
If they had no clue, they would have no numbers at all.
In fact it is you who has no clue, since you have no numbers.
From one of the foremost atmospheric physicists in the world….
“The stability and natural fluctuations of the global average surface temperature of the heterogeneous system are ultimately determined by the phase changes of water. Many authors have proposed a greenhouse effect due to anthropogenic carbon dioxide emissions. The present analysis shows that such an effect is impossible.”
Now go and find it.
Hint.. it won’t be on any of your alarmist propaganda sites.
The strongest and most direct correlation to atmospheric CO2 that I have ever seen reported is the amount that NOAA has cooked the US temperature record through “adjustments”.
https://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/screenhunter_3233-oct-01-22-59.gif
R^2 of 0.986, almost perfect correlation. If you can find a stronger correlation (perhaps to global temperatures?), please post it for everyone to see.
“From one of the foremost atmospheric physicists in the world….”- AndyG55
Your quote comes from Ferenc Miskolczi who has written a total of 2, may be 4 scientific papers in his life.
He has no standing in the scientific community, having made no significant impact in the scientific community.
You can find a devastating critique of his 2007 paper here.
http://www.realclimate.org/wiki/index.php?title=Ferenc_Miskolczi
Poor guys show their lack of comprehension of the work.
But hey.. they are nowhere near Ferenc’s intelligence, so what do you expect.
“that gradual curve?” – Latitude.
The observers are mostly volunteers and they aren’t dictated to.
You’re wasting your breath. These fools are beyond hope.
“What happened in Antarctica?” – James
“Increasing rates of ice mass loss from the Greenland
and Antarctic ice sheets revealed by GRACE” – GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH LETTERS, VOL. 36,
The GRACE measurements of time variable gravity
for 80 months during the period April 2002–February 2009
show an acceleration of the ice sheets mass-loss. Several
studies pointed out already that the ice sheet losses were
accelerating, e.g., Interferometric Synthetic Aperture Radar
(InSAR) surveys [Rignot and Kanagaratnam, 2006; Rignot
et al., 2008a, 2008b], GRACE [Velicogna and Wahr, 2006b;
Chen et al., 2006a, 2006b], and altimetry [Howat et al.,
2008; Krabill et al., 2004], but most of these studies
addressed discrete time periods instead of a continuous time
record as shown here. In the case of GRACE data, this was
mostly because the time series were too short. Here, we show
that the ice mass-loss from the ice sheets is not constant but
accelerating, and this con
CONT
and this conclusion is statistically significant
to a high degree (99%).
Only a VERY LOCAL part of the West Antarctic peninsular is showing mass loss.
Eastern Antarctica is show mass GAIN.
They just happen to have found quite a bit of volcanic activity under the Western Antarctic Peninsula.
Is GRACE actually registering ice loss? Or is it registering the movement of magma under the ice effecting the gravity field. (you did know that different types of magma can greatly affect the gravity field, didn’t you ?)
The latter is far more likely seeing as the temperature down there is below zero most of the time, and the southern oceans are actually COOLING.
https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/sst_southern_ocean.png?w=720
“Eastern Antarctica is show mass GAIN.” – AndyG55
But overall a net loss of 50 to 150 cubic kilometers per year, and accelerating.
Only accelerating on the Western Peninsular,, a very LOCALISED area, almost certainly influenced by volcanic activity.. certainly NOT a global anything.
The rest of Antarctica is gaining slightly or basically doing nothing.
And lets not talk about Antarctic sea ice area , hey 😉
And how that sneaky heat is bypassing all that sea ice and heating just a tiny localised part of the Western Antarctic peninsular. Cunning stuff that hidden heat !! 😉
I wasn’t aware that Obama could force changes to scientific papers published in peer reviewed science journals.
You would think that someone would complain if he had.
So I guess the fact that no one has made such a complaint, indicates that he hasn’t, and that you are living in some fantasy land.
He doesn’t have to CHANGE the studies, he (and his team) simply fund the study proposals that include a hat tip to global warming in the proposal. Studies seeking to disprove the CO2 theory, or focus on other causes of warming are not getting government, or foundation(banker) funding and need to find their own backing.
The White House does not decide which scientists get what funding. Those decisions are made by funding bodies in universities, the NOAA, the EPA the Energy Department and other bodies.
Obama has no part in those funding decisions.
Why do you persist on living in a delusion?
Right, Obama has nothing to do with his own cabinet member Gina McCarthy.
If you interpolate enough… you don’t need the Truth. –KJH
Laughably you don’t even know what interpolation is.
So childish. You lost all credibility with that, VD. Sad.
VD…ahem…your superiority complex is showing.
It is sad that Kerry Hodgkinson couldn’t use the term “interpolate” in a logically coherent manner. He might have tried using the word “extrapolate”, but that wouldn’t really fit either.
Sad, I agree.
Why would he use that term if it doesn’t apply?
Per Dictionary.com, Interpolate: (3) to alter (a text) by the insertion of new matter, especially deceptively or without authorization.
In the end, interpolate was used “logically” and in a “coherent manner.” YMFKIA
The USHCN is run by NOAA. “The USHCN has been developed over the years at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s (NOAA) National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) to assist in the detection of regional climate change.” Nothing has been faked and the authors of this article have no idea what they are talking about. Sad.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Your uninformed opinion is a complete waste of intellectual space.
Mr Goddard isn’t telling his audience that the principle adjustment to the USHCN data corrects for a change in time of day that the temperatures were taken,
Older data tends to have been taken in the evening when air temperature is reasonably high, while modern measurements are taken in the morning when temperatures are low.
This is the reason why the modern temperatures are adjusted upward. It is to make them compatible with the older readings.
so you’re saying that people didn’t get the NOAA memo to change the time of day they took their measurements…and they all did it gradually…just like the chart shows
Hey Vendicar, is there an unadjusted data set anywhere in the world that has been read at the same time of day for a long period? If so (and there is), what does it show us?
V. Decarian,
Do you ever post anything that is not just your own baseless assertion?
There has been NO global warming for almost twenty years now, despite the steady rise in (harmless, beneficial) CO2. That is according to satellite data — the most accurate data there is — and it doesn’t have to be “adjusted” upward.
Satellites are calibrated with reference to the Cosmic Background Radiation of about 2.7ºK as a metrology standard. But the NOAA’s “adjusted upward” numbers are for only the 29% of the planet that is land area, and most of that land area has no temperature recording stations at all. The temperature stations used by NOAA are inaccurate by 2º – 5ºC+. Yet NOAA claims to be able to tell past temperatures within a couple of tenths of a degree. As if.
Really, every post you’ve made exposes your ignorance of this subject. Do you get your misinformation from the nightly television news, or what?
You keep saying this. Yet never a link is provided.
The majority of weather stations in the U.S. Cooperative
Observing Network (and therefore in HCN) are staffed
by volunteers. Consequently, the network has no mandatory
time at which daily measurements must be taken. Most
individuals prefer observing times other than midnight,
resulting in an observation day that differs from the standard
calendar day. For example, at a station where the volunteer
reads the thermometers at 0800 LST, the observation day
extends from 0800 LST the previous day to 0800 LST on
the current day. At a station where the volunteer reads the
thermometers at 1700 LST, the observation day starts and
ends 9 hours later. Nevertheless, the observations at both
stations are recorded for the same calendar day.
When the observation day differs from the calendar
day, a ‘‘carry over’’ bias of up to 2.0C is introduced into
monthly mean temperatures. This bias occurs when atmospheric
conditions cause a temperature from one day to be
ascribed to the following day. For instance, suppose an
observer reads the maximum and minimum thermometers at
1700 LST on April 1, then a cold front passes through the
area overnight. If the temperature on April 2 never exceeds
the value at 1700 LST on April 1 (when the thermometers
were last reset), then the recorded maximum will actually be
the temperature at 1700 LST on April 1. This temperature
will be higher than if the 24-hour measurement ended at
midnight, and because the monthly mean is computed by
averaging the daily maximums and minimums, the mean for
April will likewise be artificially high. In general, this carryover
phenomenon results in a warm bias for observation
days ending in the afternoon and a cool bias for those
ending in the morning
“NOAA’s “adjusted upward” numbers are for only the 29% of the planet that is land area, and most of that land area has no temperature recording stations” – Smokey
I’m not sure how there can be no data and the data be adjusted upward at the same time.
But in the kookoo land of Global Warming Denialism anything is possible I suppose.
Kook On Smokey
“There has been NO global warming for almost twenty years now, despite the steady rise in (harmless, beneficial) CO2. That is according to satellite data — the most accurate data there is — and it doesn’t have to be “adjusted” upward.” – Smokey
You have managed to cram at least a half dozen foolish assertions in one paragraph.
1: Satellites don’t measure surface temperatures.
2. Satellite data is less reliable that the surface temperature record according to the
people who actually collect and analyze the data.
3 The satellite record (RSA) shows a warming of 0.4’C since 1979
4. Satellite data requires vastly more revision than the surface temperature record.
5. CO2 is already putting stress on the biosphere, and on America’s ability to feed itself.
6. Data adjustment is a feature of all scientific data collection.
1: Satellites don’t measure surface temperatures.
No they provide a stable, reliable data set measured at equal, non-changing points. The lower troposphere has not warmed so the surface temperature cannot have unless the lapse rate has. Surface data is a total mess of UHI, airport, fudging and data fabrication.
2. Satellite data is less reliable that the surface temperature record according to the
people who actually collect and analyze the data.
The RSS guys are in a real quandary aren’t they. They want it to warm, but their data says otherwise.. so one of them tried to discount the data… but at least they didn’t do the anti-science thing and apply wholesale adjustments to create a trend.
3 The satellite record (RSA) shows a warming of 0.4’C since 1979
And cooling since the end of the 1998 El Nino in 2001.
4. Satellite data requires vastly more revision than the surface temperature record.
RUBBISH.. the surface data has been massively manipulated, the adjustment count for well over half the slight warming since the 19th century.
5. CO2 is already putting stress on the biosphere, and on America’s ability to feed itself.
RUBBISH.. CO2 is the gas that all plants need to carry out photosynthesis. The world’s biosphere has increased some 10-15% (iirc) in the last 20 or so years. The main reason for any food shortage is the moronic use of corn for ethanol.. stupidity to the max !!
6. Data adjustment is a feature of all scientific data collection.
Data adjustment is never a feature of science data collection.. except in climate science.
“No they provide a stable, reliable data set measured at equal, non-changing points.” – AndyG55
No they don’t. They suffer from sensor drift, orbital drift, Time of day oscillations, Time of day drift, replacement calibration issues, sensor outages, and a host of other problems.
Satellite data – according to the people who collect it – less reliable than the surface data.
Consider the following statement RSS
“A similar, but stronger case can be made using surface temperature datasets, which I consider to be more reliable than satellite datasets (they certainly agree with each other better than the various satellite datasets do!).”
Even RSS considers the surface record to be more reliable than the satellite record.
http://www.remss.com/blog/recent-slowing-rise-global-temperatures
“And cooling since 2001” – AndyG55
Odd how the data disagrees with you.
http://woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/from:2001/plot/uah/from:2001/trend
The plot clearly shows a rise of about 0.1’C since 2001.
Why did you feel a need to lie about it?
“No they don’t. They suffer from sensor drift, orbital drift, Time of day oscillations, Time of day drift, replacement calibration issues, sensor outages, and a host of other problems.”
All of which can be calculated and corrected for. As I said, RSS need to discount their own data because they are scientists enough not to deliberately fake it. (NOAA.. not so much)
Surely even you would recognise the need for correct for known issues is very different than the ad-hoc agenda driven, nonsense that is the surface temperature adjustments and fabrication.
No.. almost certainly not. !!
“Satellite data requires vastly more revision than the surface temperature record.”
“RUBBISH” – AndyG55
Every measurement in the satellite record has to be massively modified for dozens of effects from orbital changes, time of day bias, yearly changes in time of day measurement, differing emissivity of clouds and ocean and land and even the temperature of the targeting mirror and satellite temperature.
And this is on top of the fact that the satellite can’t even measure temperature at altitude but measures only total column emissivity, either in the infrared or from oxygen.
No temperature measurement at all.
Your lack of comprehension about a known and consistent process of deriving temperature data from the satellite data, shows that you really do not have much idea about anything.
You would much rather rely on a massively tainted and fabricated surface data set.
I guess that is your sort of physics, hey! 😉
“CO2 is the gas that all plants need to carry out photosynthesis.” – AndyG55
And a metabolic poison to all animals.
You should stop breathing for a couple of minutes and tell us how much of a poison your body thinks it is.
CO2 is plant food in the same way that urine and dung are plant foods. By your logic putting urine and dung in tap water must be good because plants love the stuff.
And then there is the business of your tinfoil hat again.
“Data adjustment is never a feature of science data collection..” – AndyG55
It is called data calibration. You have clearly never been taught how to correctly collect and manage scientific data.
And then there is the business of your tinfoil hat.
Vendicar, there are no words to describe the stupidity of somebody who thinks CO2 has put a stress on the biosphere, or America’s ability to feed itself. It is inconceivable how anybody can be this stupid.
“It is inconceivable how anybody can be this stupid.”
Vendicar proves the point that there is always an exception.
His very first post proved it is possible to be THAT STUPID….
and he just kept going showing his baseline ignorance and lack of basic comprehension in every new post.
Dig dig dig.. burying himself in his own dirt. !
“You have clearly never been taught how to correctly collect and manage scientific data.’
Yes actually.. and its NOT how NOAA have done it.
You never change the raw data, anything else is a LIE !.
I take it you have been taught to collect, fabricate and alter data to suit your agenda.
Your forte, probably, which is why you accept it so unquestioningly.
Its part of your “science”. 😉
Try accounting for the mob next time.. right down your alley.
vortex….explain the algorithm NOAA uses
The one that changes past temperatures every time they enter a new set of current temp data.
Wow.. a cut and paste from NOAA’s site… is that all you have ???
Are you able to substantiate your claim?
We are all eternally grateful for you correcting us, Sir. Can we draft you for president in ’16? I am certain you would be a boon and a blessing to the world! Where have you been hiding all this time?!
Global warming is nothing more than science made climate change
There is very little science behind “Global Warming™”
Not much science. Just tens of thousands of scientific papers over the last 30 years.
And not one of them proves that CO2 causes warming in an open atmosphere. !!
Its an assumption driven FAILED hypothesis.
As the total divergence of the models from reality shows.
In any other field of REAL science, this hypothesis would have been dumped ages ago.. but the political agenda won’t let it die.
“And not one of them proves that CO2 causes warming in an open atmosphere. ” – AndyG55
You do know that science isn’t in the business of “proof”, don’t you AndyG55?
But since you are in the business of deception, you demand Proof knowing, or are too ignorant to know how pointless your childish proclamation is.
Do you have proof that you are a man, and not a butterfly dreaming to be a man?
If so, provide it.
Until then we will have to wait and consider the issue of your tinfoil hat.
You seem to be the one with the tin foil hat, and the dong !!
Get off the herbs and back to reality dude, before you to your mind even more permanent damage.
“But since you are in the business of deception”
Nope.. I’ll leave to you and your alarmista buddies.. you are well practiced.
Poor Ven.. how does it feel to have to continually try to defend an failed indefensible hypothesis, based on zero real science.
Science:- hypothesis -> test -> fail -> dump hypothesis. !!!!!
or do you do a different sort of science, say
Funding -> hypothesis -> test -> fail -> adjust data to fix -> more funding
Papers useful for lining bird cages, or pee review by a puppy.
What the world really needs is some REAL warming, not these fabricated fictions.
We are actually only just above the COLDEST period of the whole of the current interglacial.
THANK GOODNESS there has been some small amount of warming out of the LIA.
A couple of degrees more would be highly beneficial, because it would mostly occur in the higher latitudes, opening up land and water for agriculture and fishing. etc.
Add in some extra CO2 for enhanced biogrowth… even better
Unfortunately, it looks like the Sun has gone into a sleepy phase for a while.. probable cooling for an extended period.
I wish the AGW alarmistas were correct, and we were going to have some more warming. The benefits of a bit more warming would be immense,
Cooling.. could get nasty. !!
Sun has been dimmed by design That’s what happens when these wacko geoengineering scientist spray 20 million tons of aluminum, Barium salts and sulfuric acid into the atmosphere to dim the sun and cool the earth. Have you looked up lately? http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/stephen-colbert-tells-david-keith-government-is-already-spraying-us/
No Ralph, the Sun is have a totally natural sleep.
Nothing we do to the atmosphere of Earth will effect that.
affect
yes.. affect. 🙂
Sorry Andy. But the sun does not sleep. Direct measurement by ground based and satellite based measurements that go back over 100 years, show that.
Again you display your ignorance.
http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/07/17/the-sun-has-gone-quietsolar-cycle-24-continues-to-rank-as-one-of-the-weakest-cycles-more-than-a-century/
And another piece of science for you to read.
http://cc.oulu.fi/~usoskin/personal/lrsp-2008-3Color.pdf
“Again you display your ignorance.” – AndyG55
The sun is hardly quiet, there are several sunspot groups on it’s surface right now.
The article you linked to was nonsense and written in 2014 when it was even more nonsense.
http://www.spaceweather.com/images2015/29jul15/hmi1898.gif?PHPSESSID=0pf3tn50lmabefg6nsbhprdj23
It does appear that the sun is entering a period with few sunspots. These periods are claimed to be cooler periods for planet earth, but here we are, in sunspot cycle 24, a cycle with very low sunspot activity, and global surface temperatures are at record highs.
Whats up with that?
OMG ! you really are very thick aren’t you. !!!
There has not been any warming this century, it has stopped warming from the series of strong solar maxima last century.
Do you really think that with the bulk of water on this planet it is going to respond quickly to changes in the sun’s output.
There are estimate of a 10-15 year buffer.
The next few years will tell the story even more than the current 18 or so year plateau.
Firstly, Cycle 24 is now tapering off.
http://www.sidc.be/images/wolfjmms.png
Secondly, Cycle 24 is significantly lower than any of the previous cycles.
http://www.sidc.be/images/wolfmms.png
Thirdly, solar scientists around the world are forecasting cycle 25 to be much lower again.
No matter how much you rant and rave, the data will come back to bite you, ignorant putz !!
second link again
http://www.sidc.be/images/wolfmms.png
very odd.. Here is the page link instead.
http://www.sidc.be/silso/monthlyssnplot
sorry, second graphic came up with a black cross first time around..
oh well, its there now.
Ralph, we use satellites in space to measure the output of the sun. I think your tinfoil hat needs a readjustment.
You are posting some ignorant comments from Stephen Colbert show?? Wow! The sun hasn’t dimmed unlike your brain cells. It’s called solar flares that are no longer going to be heating the u.s. in the extreme anymore.
Solar flares don’t heat the Earth’s surface to any great extent.
If they did, the reduction in flares during the sunspot cycle would be readily visible in
the global temperature record, when in fact it can barely be found at all.
It takes a photon emitted in the interior of the sun, 100 thousand years or so to escape from the sun’s surface. As a result the sun can not change appreciably in brightness from year to year or even century to century.
Poor Ven, you seriously have a knowledge deficit, don’t you !
“It takes a photon emitted in the interior of the sun, 100 thousand years or so to escape from the sun’s surface. As a result the sun can not change appreciably in brightness from year to year or even century to century.”
That’s why there are no pulsars out there
@Vendicar Decarian,
“If they did, the reduction in flares during the sunspot cycle would be readily visible in
the global temperature record, when in fact it can barely be found at all.”
Perhaps you missed this July 9th? “Solar activity predicted to fall 60% in 2030s, to ‘mini ice age’ levels: Sun driven by double dynamo.” http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/07/150709092955.htm
The link to the actual Royal Astronomical Society paper is available from this article.
Actually, global temperatures are now higher than they have been since the peak of the last interglacial – not the current one.
2015 is probably going to be even warmer than 2014, the previous warmest year ever recorded.
You, Vendicar Dickarian, are a blubbering fool.
Here is a picture of the warmest year ever recorded:
http://www.hyzercreek.com/IceAge65.jpg
And that only goes back a few years.
The dopey git doesn’t even realise that we are actually only just above the COLDEST period of the whole of the current interglacial.
The IGNORANCE is strong that one. !!
you mean back when forests were above the Arctic circle…and oaks were growing in Finland
Yeah that’s true. But let me introduce you to a species called the penguin. It evolved over a period of 10 million years to live on ice in Antarctica, to swim in icewater and fish under the ice and not fly anywhere. Nowhere. It can’t fly. When it’s cold, it can’t fly. When it’s warm, it can’t fly. The warmest year ever recorded, in all those 10 million years, was 2015, but even though it was the warmest year ever recorded, penguins never gave a flying fuck.
Morgan, keep you eyes on the ball….that was a reply to someone else
And America was a sterile desert.
“It evolved over a period of 10 million years to live on ice in Antarctica” – Morgan Wright
And you are expecting it to evolve over a period of 100 years to match a dramatically different climate?
Sorry boy, but even insects don’t easily evolve that rapidly.
” a dramatically different climate?”
And what dramatically different climate in the Antarctica would that be, IDIOT?
“warmest year ever recorded” – Morgan Wright (image below)
Your image shows that we are reaching temperatures higher than those during any interglacial period.
If temperatures rise just by 3’C and that appears likely then they will be higher than at any time in the last 40 million years.
That was roughly the time when the first grasses appeared on land.
My image doesn’t show that, no.
The only place it is likely to be warmer is in the HIGHLY CORRUPTED and MAL-ADJUSTED GISS/NOAA/and related etc stable of climate chicanery.
The divergence from the satellite data is becoming a monument joke…
…. but Gavin and Tom have their instructions. 🙂
Increasing the level of CO2 increases the photosynthetic rate.
Yes. And that’s a good thing.
Yes. That is why Venus is covered in a lush forest.
YOU ARE AN IDIOT !!!!
Are you trying to tell me that CO2 increases don’t increase the photosynthesis rate?
You really are an idiot !!
Of course CO2 increases photosynthesis rate, so long as there is H2O, sunlight and the temperature is within its tolerance range.
Plants exist in the desert, they DO NOT grow in ice. !
“Of course CO2 increases photosynthesis rate, so long as there is H2O, sunlight and the temperature is within its tolerance range.” – AndyG55
Higher levels of CO2 = higher temperatures.
It doesn’t take much of an increase to greatly stress plants and decrease their productivity.
Stress a human body by temperatures above 104’F and it often dies. 106’F and it is certainly dead.
Photosynthetic capacity decreases rapidly when temperate species are exposed to heat stress during reproductive development. We investigated whether injury in wheat (Triticum aestivum L.) resulted from general acceleration of senescence processes or specific heat-induced lesions. In situ photosynthetic capacity of leaf discs and thylakoid reactions were measured using flag leaf tissue from two cultivars maintained at 20 and 35°C during maturation. Photosynthetic rates of leaf discs decreased faster at 35 than at 20°C and were more photolabile in cv Len than in cv
Photosynthetic Decline from High Temperature Stress during Maturation of Wheat
Plant Physiol. 1990 Mar; 92(3): 648–653.- Scott A. Harding,2 James A. Guikema, and Gary M. Paulsen
“Higher levels of CO2 = higher temperatures.”
WRONG !!!
A idiot filled with straw !!
“maintained at 20 and 35°C during maturation.”
What sort of moronic un-realistic junk study was that ?
Does anyone know of any wheat plant that is ever growth in a temperature “maintained at 35C”
Rampant scientific stupidity !!
Hey Vendickhead,
Even the proponents of global warming say that warming will only happen at the poles. You are saying warming will happen in the tropics? How can CO2 cause warming in the tropics when water vapor there is 40,000 ppm and CO2 is only 400 ppm. Even the stupidest of the globa nostra know it will only happen at the poles.
You fell out of the stupid tree and hit your head on every branch coming down.
or climate engineering aka Geoengineering Watch geo scientist David Keith on the Steven Colbert show where he talks about them using modified jets to spray 20 million tons of sulfuric acid, aluminum aerosols into the atmosphere (and more and more every year) to dim the sun and cool the earth. Just like we are all seeing . aka slang chemtrails solar radiant mgt.
Lucifer must be freezing.
I bet these chemtrails are being produced to keep lucifer from coming to the surface and laying waste to the earth.
God bless em.
Obama ordered his serfs to falsify the temperatures, just another of his many lies. And there are still gullible people who support this Liar in Chief. Pathetic.
Can you substantiate this claim? It seems your hatred of Obama is distracting you from what matters most. Obama is on the alarmist crazy train and his policies, if carried through as far as he wishes, will severely damage our economy while wasting precious resources on a non-problem. But, this doesn’t mean he is sitting in the Oval Office issuing instructions to his “serfs,” whoever they are, to lie all around. Within government, he is the head of a massive closed-minded, coalition of climate “scientists” or “experts,” economists, politicians, religious leaders, environmental activists, university instructors and researchers, etc., who promote the alarmist view. This isn’t so much a conspiracy as an example of group-think naturally progressing to where we are today; where people so believe in their position they will keep out dissenting views and research, and manipulate their models and data to self-reinforce. People in the U.S. are beginning to see this whole movement for what it is and are turning away (see http://www.gallup.com/poll/167843/climate-change-not-top-worry.aspx) – I predict this whole issue will be gone, or at least reduced to insignificance, within 5-10 years as people continue to observe the disconnect between the alarmist warnings and predictions and reality. Instead of focusing on attacking Obama (people already know where he stands, and he’ll thankfully be out of office soon), perhaps we can spend more time using facts and logic to influence the alarmists to accept reality.
You assume they want to know the truth. They apparently have a hidden agenda and they are not interested in the “truth”.
Great post, but I disagree that “this whole issue will be gone, or at least reduced to insignificance, within 5-10 years.” The AGW/global warming, climate change/disruption hoax is the most massive such scheme ever perpetrated on mankind by a group of elitist masterminds. They will not so easily relinquish driving this on because it means untold trillions of dollars of wealth transfer from first world to third world countries, with the environazis taking their very generous cut. Follow the money, and you will see that this is not going away any time soon unless an ice age suddenly descends upon the planet.
“he is the head of a massive closed-minded, coalition of climate “scientists” or “experts,” economists, politicians, religious leaders, environmental activists, university instructors and researchers, etc., who promote the alarmist view.” – T.G.
And your hope is that if you keep your head in the sand a little longer, it will all blow over.
Sorry boy. You can not change the laws of physics through wishful thinking, or by ignoring them.
More CO2 = Higher Surface temperatures. That is the result of basic physical laws.
No it is NOT.. It is actually very much against physical laws.
“It is actually very much against physical laws.” – AndyG55
Then there should be some “real scientists” attacking it on that basis.
But nope. There are none. Just you AndyG55. You and your tinfoil cap.
Poor ignorant little venter..
There is plenty of discussion that shows that the so-called CO2 greenhouse theory is basically WRONG
You will just never read it, or allow it into your limited consciousness.
“There is plenty of discussion that shows that the so-called CO2 greenhouse theory is basically WRONG” – AndyG55
There is none in the scientific community. Provide 3 recent peer reviewed papers from the recent scientific literature that deny that CO2 is causing the planet to warm.
OMG, there you go again.
Peer review is a JOURNALISTIC thing .. not part of the scientific procedure.
Do
you
under
stand ?
Here’s one:
http://acmg.seas.harvard.edu/people/faculty/djj/book/bookchap7.html
“Contrast this situation to a greenhouse gas absorbing solely at 15 mm, in the CO2 absorption band ( Figure 7-8 ). At that wavelength the atmospheric column is already opaque ( Figure 7-13 ), and injecting an additional atmospheric absorber has no significant greenhouse effect.”
You are the one that seems to HATE mankind, (and yourself, I suspect.)
Why else would you promote a failed hypothesis where the moronic responses to that failed hypothesis threatens starvation to the poor though the use of crops for biofuels , promotes energy poverty throughout the western world, deny the developing world the benefits of decent reliable electricity, destroy the higher levels of avian wildlife and their environment, causes massive pollution in developing countries like China to meet the whims of the renewable, non-energy farce in the western countries.
Its ugly, deceitful and decidedly anti-human. Just the way you like it.
“More CO2 = Higher Surface temperatures. That is the result of basic physical laws.”
Wrong!
More CO2 = Lower elevation of extinction of the 15 micron band of IR (the only band that CO2 absorbs). Currently the elevation of extinction is around 30 meters. Above that, there is no 15 micron IR, because the atmosphere is opaque to it. If you increase the CO2, the elevation of extinction drops to maybe 25 meters, and I ask you…..SO WHAT????????????
Morgan, what does “Lower elevation of extinction” mean? What is the significance of it? Thx
lower elevation at which the band becomes saturated and can absorb no more(extinction)
Do you have any evidence for your kookie assertion?
Or is it just motivated by hate.
I doubt that it is Obama pulling the strings… he is just the chief muppet !!
Say it ain’t so! Fraud in big-money science! I’m shocked, shocked I tell you!
Are you POSITIVE about that, Arik ?
Eventually the lies with be obvious for so long they will have give up, just as occurred with “Ice age is coming.” Then they will have to come up with a new theory to sell something else.
Yup. You are right. The Climate change denialism train is off the tracks and falling apart.
Denialists are now seen as the blathering kooks they are.
Yes.. those who deny science.. like you do… are certainly seen as kooks !!!
I suspect that you denied any science/maths/intelligence/learning etc etc right through your limited education.
My official training is in Science, AndyG55, specifically high energy physics.
Your knowledge of science is clearly near zero.
You are tinfoil hatter.
Well why don’t you start applying some of it ?
So far we see nothing.. nada.. zip !!!
Just empty ranting.
“Well why don’t you start applying some of it ?” – AndyG55
Educating the public is part of the burden of being a scientist.
Keeping your tinfoil cap on is the extent of your burden.
Then why are you spread so much JUNK PROPAGANDA non-science. ?
You will not educate anyone doing that.
Keep your tin-foil hat, you poor little brain-washed child. !!
They put a government bureaucrat in a sealed room with 3 ball bearings and left him for an hour. When they came back he had lost one, broken one, and had the third one in his pocked to take home.
I find it difficult to get too concerned about the so-called ‘Man-Made’ climate change. Of course the climate is changing as it’s done for millions of years. I’m sure that man didn’t orchestrate the demise of the dino’s or the rise and fall of the cave man. The ‘climate freaks’ were proclaiming a new ice age when I was a kid; now it’s global warming if we don’t stop burning fossil fuels and driving our automobiles. Who are they kidding anyway. Mother earth will take care of herself as she’s done for millions of years. We are only temporary residents and in the ‘big flick’ have no control where our planet is headed. If there is a God then he is in control and if there’s not then the cosmos will continue to evolve with or without this speck of carbon known as man. Do you hear me Al Gore?
Don’t let libs/ Al Gore know we’re made of carbon! They might decide to tax and regulate us… oh wait…. never mind
You are already taxed and regulated, Carbon boy.
Haven’t you noticed?
Well said.
“Mother earth will take care of herself” – doni609
Ah.. A proponent of strong Gaia.
Climate Change is nothing more than ear candy to the moronic leftist BIG Govt entitlement-sucking sheeple. Anyone with half a brain understands that it’s simply a thinly veiled taxing scheme and CONTROL mechanism.
Love your use of all CAPS. 🙂
hey NOAA is all caps too but then again if he didn’t resort to shouting he might have to be one of those annoying people who write long run-on sentences with no punctuation and try to make a esoteric point but instead lose their focus and blather on for what seems like an eternity without actually moving the discussion forward and resort to tin foil hat theories advanced by someone who could only get on tv by going on the cobert show to advance their nonsense pap and not realizing all the time that they are there so cobert can make fun of them while his audience guffaws yet there are actually people that believe this stuff which almost makes the kook’s argument in and of itself that there really must be something in the water if there are that many stupid people out there that think the government is seeding the atmosphere and water supply with mind control drugs or greenhouse materials to control weather but never forget that obama is a muslim that was born in kenya and his birth certificate is a fake and if you don’t see this then you must be a batshit crazy climate scientologist 🙂
Am I correct in assuming that part of the negative correction to the temperature in the 1920 – 1980 era is due to the placement of many temperature monitoring stations near sources of heat? Can anyone here outline the “official explanation” used by USHCN for the wildly differing corrections applied in different years?
Bernie, NOAA runs a algorithm that adjusts past temperatures…every time they enter a current set of temp data. It adjusts the past temps in very small increments every time.
…the effect is a 2 degree cooling of the past….when they claim 2 degrees of warming
The detailed methods used by the NOAA are available to the public.
If you have some technical objection to the methods used, you know, something other than “it’s all a scam” or “bigfoot is conspiring with the space aliens”, then write your technical proof, and have it published.
You will win a nobel prize and those evil climate scientists will be vanquished.
You have had 30 years to do this… What is keeping you?
Bernie. Let me spell it out for you. They set out to adjust the temperatures. They set out to get rid of the 1930’s warming and the 1960’s cooling, and inflate the modern warming. They think of any excuse they can to raise modern temps and lower 1930’s-1940’s temps. They make up whatever bullshit it takes, and couch it in sciencey sounding terms, the way crack dealers talk about their crack. They are criminals. Busted right here.
You are not correct.
The leftists are using Hitler’s “Big Lie” technique. They know the sheep are not going to investigate the data. Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf “All this was inspired by the principle—which is quite true within itself—that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.”
Most of your comment is kookism, but you have one thing right.
Most scientists are Liberals. Education does that to a person.
I take it that you are NOT a liberal then….. your education seem essentially non-existent.
I am a well educated Liberal AndyG55. You seem to be a Faux news viewer.
Then start showing it, and stop being a brain-washed cyborg.
I agree that the discrepancy deserves looking-into, but the figure above suggests that the difference between measured values and reported values has decreased substantially over time. Read: NOAA reporting from the last couple decades is pretty accurate compared to previous years. Isn’t that an encouraging sign? I also think it’s important to recognize that the complex models describing and predict changes in global climate/temperature operate on the scale of centuries; fitting linear models to a few decades of temperature values (from the US alone) is unlikely to lead to reasonable conclusions on a global scale. Maybe I expect too much from a blog titled “Real Science”?
You have no idea what you are talking about
You should be more specific.
Since 2005, USHCN has been regulated by the USCRN network.
This data is readily available, and you can see that USHCN is being specifically adjusted to match USCRN
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/national-temperature-index/time-series?datasets%5B%5D=uscrn¶meter=anom-tavg&time_scale=p12&begyear=2005&endyear=2015&month=7
USCRN shows the US is COOLING at bout 0.23F/decade
If you take the USHCN data, (which for some reason doesn’t continue past August last year), you should find it COOLED at about 0.9F/decade from 2005 until the end of data.
RSS, run by a “warmist” science group (I call them scientists as opposed to NOAA/GISS because they don’t adjust their data) shows COOLING since 2001 (culmination of 1998 major El Nino), and a central trend of zero can be carried BACK some 18.5 years, and is statistically supportable back 26 years.
It should also be noted that we are supposedly in El Nino conditions at the moment, but the is NO SPIKE showing the either of the satellite temperature series. This is odd to say the least.
When the El Nino switches, there could be a rather sudden drop in temperature.
Thanks for the helpful link. From my reading of that page and cited source material, the USCRN is considered more accurate than the USHCN (which is being phased out) due to improvements in instrumentation and distribution of monitoring sites. nClimDiv further increased the accuracy of those models using an expanded network and finer-grained bias adjustments. No one is re-writing history here- the previous “recorded” measurements for temperature anomalies were folded into a single value using a model that was appropriate at the time, and advancements in climate science render historical measurements obsolete. This isn’t a political conspiracy by “warmists,” it’s how scientific knowledge progresses.
It seems unwise to draw conclusions from short time periods. You say that the temperature decreased between 2005 and 2015, I say it increased dramatically between 2008 and 2012. My trend is equally correct, but more susceptible to noise- who is to say that your arbitrary time period is representative of the real trend?
My last point is that the type of analysis presented in this post and parroted by commenters is insufficient for this problem. Drawing a line through data points is not a method with any basis in scientific understanding. Temperature anomalies must be interpreted in the context of an underlying model to assess statistical support, and I’d very much like to know what model you chose.
Of course the left won’t read any of this nor pay any attention if they do. They’ll just blame the Koch brothers and “stupid” conservatives for daring to debate “settled” science.
I read it, and I’m laughing.
At you!
in a silly giggly manic sort of way, I assume. !!
Yup. You denialist kooks are pure entertainment.
yep.. in a giggly manic sort of way.. as befits you, fit for the loonie bin.
It’s a nice big happy circle. Our radical left wing universities cranking out these brainwashed scientists. They get out if college, where better to go to work but on the gov’t dole. To continue their job security and to keep those raises coming they crank out what is best for themselves and their political friends who in appreciation continue those salary increases. Pretty much the same cozy scheme they have with our unions.
If only those evil leftist scientists would come clean on those UFO’s they found at roswell, and the corpse of Bigfoot they have in the freezer at Fort Benning.
Evil, evil scientists.
You are a complete moron
I’m still waiting for you to explain how you compensated for time of day measurements in your “ahem” “analysis”.
Tic Toc
Circular bin time ???
No response from Mr. Goddard.
Charlatan.
No, he’s an incomplete moron.
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/data-tampering-at-ushcngiss/
Am I the only one confused by this? I cannot open the files offered so I can’t look at the raw data and the post itself doesn’t really give full context.
Wait for it… wait for it…. KOOOOOCCCCHHHHH…
NOAA is corrupt. Check NOAA history of buying a yatch with Northeastern professional fisherman fines to hold sex parties and to vacation around the world. All those corrupt NOAA officials were all promoted. The professional fisherman lost their law suit against NOAA to recover excessive fines and confiscation of property recently when the Supreme Court refused to hear their case. That refusal silenced the corruption within NOAA. The Supreme court was in on the fix, though the Supreme’s did require NOAA to pay the fisherman’s court costs. The US has an out of control corrupt Federal Government… Thank a politician you voted for.
Stupid climate change freaks.
Word to these buffoons.The climate is changing.Always.
Thats why these charlatans changed it from global warming to climate change, cause they be right wether it got hotter or colder
I am unsure of these peoples intent, control maybe? But whatever it is hopefully they give it a rest . It gets old being called deniers.
Sheesh
People die, always. So in Sabo-Land, murder is impossible.
This was proved years ago with the discoveries of phony sensor placements in heat sinks and hot city intersections..
Wow. I hadn’t heard this conspiracy before. I thought I had heard all of them by now.
Kooks certainly are inventive.
You’ve never heard of the UHI? Not surprising.
He has proven he really doesn’t know much at all..
and what does pretend to know is what could be referred to as “empty ” or “negative” knowledge.. Junk that needs removing before he has a chance to actually learn.
Non-thinking twerps like him are rife within the climate hangers-on. !!
Its funny watching them all start to panic now they can see a cooling trend coming on.
( that’s why they are here, btw, .. panic !! 🙂 )
Trying to defend the indefensible with what amounts to a soggy lettuce.
Venditard Viditard Vicitard
And airports.. don’t forget the jet engines..
no extra heat from them or the acres of tarmac and runways.! 😉
I notice the global warming freaks don’t dispute that NOAA manipulated their data, I only see them attacking the messenger. Let’s see some arguments defending the data manipulation. How NOAA is right to uniformly increase the raw data, let’s see the defense of the criteria used and models that explain why the raw data should increase at an ever accelerated rate.
Could y’all just try reading?
http://judithcurry.com/2014/07/07/understanding-adjustments-to-temperature-data/
I did, one of the first things stated is that “there is no raw, pristine temp data to begin with… (Wtf?)
So I guess it’s cool to just make it up.
This farce is about over …. Hope you got your grants funded …party is almost over and you might have to start actually doing real science 🙂
Steve Goddard is alleging fraud. Now that you’ve got an overview of how the data is handled I’d hope he could pinpoint where in the process this fraud is occurring and by whom.
Just claiming ‘it’s all lies!’ is not good enough.
Scientists never have pristine data. That is why they have devised methods of analysis that can correct for the problems in their data sets.
They can do all that in their analysis, but they can’t change the data itself. Changing data is universally called science fraud, always. For you to justify it, means you are part of the fraud, and probably motivated by socialism or Obamunism.
The conspiracy to alter meteorologic and geologic data so that it fits a predetermined outcome can best be described as a criminal act. However those guilty of this criminal act will rarely be investigated, let along be prosecuted as long as Obama and his merry gang of fellow Communists of the Democratic National Committee control the government. There was time when Americans were smart, educated people. They possessed the ability to see thru schemes that are designed to defraud and harm them. Sadly, the Americans of today are easily fooled by men in suits and white coats, those who claim to be Scientists and by others that wear the hat of the politician. “Trust me” they say,” I’m from the government and I know whats best for you.” Following the money is an often successful crime fighting method used by the police. And it also works for finding those responsible for perpetrating this “Climate Change” fraud. Eventually the truth leaks out, although it may take centuries. The Climate Chance conspiracy is the largest act of fraud ever perpetrated upon a population of people in the history of the world.
You mean the Fluoridation conspiracy to poison your precious bodily fluids is the smaller conspiracy?
When did you change your mind?
So, exactly which government agencies and departments have not been corrupted.
So when does falsifying data become illegal?
“So when does falsifying data become illegal?” – chris
When the Reagan Administration started to kook the books to show that their tax cuts for the rich would not result in massive yearly deficits.
http://www.ideacityonline.com/video/patrick-moore-the-sensible-environmentalist/
This is very good history about temperature and CO2
All this BS obscures the fact that there is absolutely no reason to assume that warming, if it is happening, is a bad thing. Humans, in general, fear: change; the unknown; things they do not understand; the dark. Step back and see the forest.
A rise of 8’C is a human extinction level event.
Projections show a rise of 2’C-4’C by 2110 with an additional rise of 4’C to 6’C to follow.
Are you feeling lucky…… Punk?
It rose 8’C yesterday afternoon. Yeah, it was a little uncomfortable, it was 94 F, but I’m not extinct.
“Projections show a rise of 2’C-4’C by 2110 ”
From climate models that have proven to be woefully and absolutely WRONG.
Makes your comment IRRELEVANT to any sensible scientific discussion…. as per usual.
You’re just an alarmist dickhead.
Also a serial Troll – Google : Vendicar Decarian , and all is revealed.
Of course there is global warming, and undoubtedly it will lead to catastrophe. Obviously we need to put worldwide energy production policy in the hands of bureaucrats, they will manipulate planetary climate using the magical CO2 thermostat, and set it at exactly the proper temperature. What could possibly go wrong?
When Tony says ‘fake data’ he means fake, not adjusted. This is accomplished by replacing perfectly good data from temperature observation stations in rural areas with _estimated_ data extrapolated from urban stations. As time goes by the area around the urban stations get more built up with more concrete & asphalt, houses, buildings & other sources of heat causing the estimated data to increasingly diverge from the actual readings.
The ‘time of observation’ adjustment was a one time event. The beauty of using estimated data from the perspective of someone who is promoting the idea of climate change is that the fraud can be carried out over a long time & the changes made gradually as needed to support the alarm.
That is the significance of the last graph, the percentage of extrapolated (ie fake) data as a function of time. It proves that the publishers of temperature records are having to work harder and harder to sell the idea that the globe is warming significantly.
In a few years, at the current rate, all of the data will be fake and they will have to figure out some other way of keeping their scam alive.
I really dislike using words like scam & fraud to describe scientists. However, if you’ve been out of college for more than 10 or 15 years you should understand that climate science is now controlled by ideologues, much like women’s/black studies were back in the day.
Global warming/climate change, real or not, is a fear tactic to get people more willing to go along with the UN agenda, Agenda 21, to make people less reluctant to “spread the wealth” through what they call carbon taxes. It’s kind of like a few people thinking they are smarter than everybody else, trying to get people to behave by manipulating religions and cults to scare people into behaving. The idea is that the earth could be better managed, but the UN doesn’t think telling the masses “only” that would be enough to get the masses to do it, so they instill fear they think will work ….global warming. People deny this and that without looking it up, a lot of original info is on the UN site, not fake. So many have been programmed to resist believing their own eyes and logic. I talk to people and see they don’t even know why they believe what they have been told, propaganda works, unfortunately.
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It’s all about control, not science. They are falsifying the data to control YOU!
This was reported a couple of years ago, it is not new news.
And debunked a couple of years ago.
Denialists just keep repeating the same lies.
It was never debunked, idiot.
Alarmist only have one VERY BIG LIE.
Empty apart from that !!
USA measured temperature follow a 60-year cycle with no trend — two sets of below the average 30-year periods and one 30-year above the average period.
Dr. S. Jeevananda Reddy
The USA temperature trend represents the temperature of 2 percent of the global surface area.
It is not very relevant to global temperature trends.
Yes, but California drought is, and the West Antarctic Peninsula is too
Then why are you PANICKING about this post by SG. 😉
You must think its pretty darn important to waste your whole day gaining zero traction. 🙂
There has been a systematic change in the preferred
observation time in the U.S. Cooperative Observing Nework
over the past century. Prior to the 1940s most
observers recorded near sunset in accordance with U.S.
Weather Bureau instructions, and thus the U.S. climate
record as a whole contains a slight warm bias during the
first half of the century. A switch to morning observation
times has steadily occurred during the latter half of the
century to support operational hydrological requirements,
resulting in a broad-scale nonclimatic cooling effect. In
other words, the systematic change in the time of observation
in the United States in the past 50 years has artificially
reduced the temperature trend in the U.S. climate record
This time of observation bias is addressed in the
adjusted HCN using the method described in Karl et al.
[1986]. This adjustment approach requires as input an a
priori knowledge of the actual observation time in each year
at each HCN station. If this information is inaccurate for a
significant number of stations, then the resulting adjustments
would be erroneous for a large portion of the
network, thus impacting national-scale trend analyses. Given
this possibility, the accuracy of HCN station history
information is verified here using an independent source
of metadata.
Copy paste.. copy paste.. ZERO comprehension !!!
What else is on Tom Karl’s bucket list, I wonder. 😉
Another dubious adjustment here, another farcical adjustment there.. 🙂
yes..and this was finished in the 1960’s…. a 1/2 century ago…..why are they adjusting present day temperatures
You know why. We all do.
Plagiarizing is easier than thinking for yourself.
Vendicar Decarian = Plagiarist
Then why does the slope of adjustments increase with time?
I was wondering that myself – but more because the more fake data there is, the closer it matches the raw data. Shouldn’t it be the other way around?
It’s all just pure coincidence that these magical USHCN adjustments to ‘correct’ so-called systematic biases HAPPEN to be in near perfect agreement with atmospheric CO2 levels…
https://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/screenhunter_3233-oct-01-22-59.gif
An R^2 value of 0.988 between two totally unrelated variables (systematic bias in temperature readings vs CO2 levels), purely by random chance, right Vendicar?
…or the rise in CO2 could follow temperature rise, right?
Finding a false correlate is easy. Many non-related variables move in the same direction. Better go back to college stats and re-read the chapter on correlation. Cause has little to do with it.
Sure. But here’s the problem: the *bias* and CO2 are not unrelated variables. The theory is that CO2 increases cause temperature increases. But what if it doesn’t? What if the temperatures are adjusted upwards to match the CO2 emissions? Because it’s well-known that CO2 increases cause increases in warming, so if the data doesn’t show warming, then obviously the data is wrong, not the theory.
Perhaps you should read up on TOBS.
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2015/07/29/what-is-the-real-value-of-tobs/
If any of these people really cared about the environment and mankind’s carbon footprint they wouldn’t own the computers they are typing on they were made in China which created toxic waste chemicals that China dumped directly into the ocean and the ground as well as toxic vapors into the air. I know for a fact these global warming for head smackers turn right around and buy all the garbage from the dollar store and use it for whatever they want without even a thought as to how much pollution they are causing by doing so. They don’t want to stop doing whatever it is they want to do they just want everyone else to stop. And that my liberal friends will earn you two of these middle fingers you hypocritical bastards
Well said. Oh, and give up make-up, nail polish, temporary tattoos, tattoos, and other unnecessary things that pollute.
They don’t want you to stop, emotional fool. just think about the consequences of not stopping.
no, they dont want you to stop. They just want to tax you for your “sins”.
Sick of it all …. I can’t agree more. The bottom line is personal integrity. I rarely see it any more.
You MAY not have a bias, but I doubt what you say just because of the bombastic tone.
Boy, looks like a some cranky pants people got up on the wrong side of the methane gas this morning.
Why is it always the engineers that think they’re competent in every other field outside of their own?
The SCIENCE of Paleoclimatology tells us that: Since Life emerged on Land 500 million years ago the average temperature of the planet has fluctuated between two states; green house earth and ice house earth. The transitions between these two states are ALWAYS accompanied by extinction events and sea levels rise AND fall 300 to 400 feet more than they are today as water is released or captured in the polar ice sheets and continental glaciers. Green house earth accounts for 80% of this time and is typically 10° to 15° warmer than ice house earth. Ice house earth accounts for 20% of this time and is distinguished by the presence of ice sheets at the poles and continental glaciers, hence we are still in an ice house earth stage. Most of the time it has been hotter and more humid than it is today, all without humankind’s influence. What shall we think and do when the earth returns to its common hot house state and all of the ice disappears, sea levels rise and it’s hot as Hades?
That’s what I’ve been saying!! Sort of. In my own way.
We gotta survive this intensifying icehouse stage first. The colder it gets the more CO2 gets absorbed by the oceans. The current CO2 outgassing is temporary. The last glacial stage reduced CO2 enough to turn parts of the Amazon into grasslands. The next is likely to be colder and worse. Reducing CO2 as we head into a new glacial is exactly the wrong thing to do as CO2 increases crop production and temperature tolerance.
The rising temps are truly frightening. The measurements taken by dozens of countries match.
That’s because they all “homogenize” in lockstep with NOAA.
You are right. The formerly independent national academies of science were united on 24 Oct 1945 into a giant “Orwellian Ministry of Consensus Science (UN)Truths.”
“The rising temps are truly frightening.”
ROFLMAO..
Even if the small rise in temperature was actually real.. it is insignificant, and almost certainly beneficial in most places.
Congrats to Tony for getting his work so widely viewed.
Unfortunately for those new to this issue, Tony left out some of the most clear and truly mind-blowing evidence that this temperature chicanery is in fact fraudulent.
https://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/screenhunter_3233-oct-01-22-59.gif
The adjustments that convert a long-term cooling trend into a warming trend are being made in lock-step with atmospheric CO2 levels. There is simply no explanation for this but fraud. To my knowledge, no Warmist has even attempted to rebut this information because it’s too self-evident what is going on. Those cooking the temperature data believe that CO2 is the global control knob for temperature, despite all other evidence to the contrary, and have baked that into the reported temperature record.
Interesting observation. Just finished a book on the economic downturn (a.k.a. subprime mortgage meltdown) called Reckless Endangerment where they proved that the financial results for Fannie Mae were directly correlated to the trigger points for executives’ bonuses. The observer was even able to forecast the numbers simply based on the bonus triggers.
Funny how another view of data exposes the truth.
spot on
I would like to ask the opinion of this group. I am no where near accepting the global warming alarm. Yet not having a degree in science I am still trying to get information. I am being serious.
1) I keep hearing about the “mean temp of earth” but after that there are so many different opinions as to when it “gets bad”. Most of which are not clear.
2) Did we not go through something similar about 35 years ago, I believe that it was known as “Global Cooling”? To put it simply we were on the verge of another Ice Age? We had to ban fluorocarbon emissions, yet now I see here that scientists are pumping all kinds of other chemicals into the air? A lot of the arguments and alarm seems to be very familiar.
3) If this is not about money, then why is it that per many stories that have appeared in the financial community that Al Gore stands to make Billions of $$$ if Cap and Trade is ever passed.
Please, I am not trying to be funny or humorous. It is the common people that need to be convinced and there are so many questions that are not being answered. There are a lot of people that got bit the last time around, when nothing happened and we found that it was faked. Truthfully, I think we have a bigger problem with geological instabilities. I look forward to reading any and all responses. Thank you for the enlightening comments.
Watts up with that dot com.
2) Only a few scientists talked about cooling, many more were already mentioning warming (since the 19th century,) but I guess the ice age was too sensational for the media and science-fiction writers to pass upon. This fear was mostly caused by recent sediment analyses that showed Earth went through 8 times more ice ages than previously known. The fear is valid and real, but on very large cyclic time scales with natural causes. The data for global warming was also known, valid and real, for our current age, with human causes.
3) Politicians who play the global warming market do not invalidate the reality of the scientific data (that this site apparently ignores). If Al Gore is a bad guy, why not also condemn the Koch brothers or ExxonMobil who downplay the global warming market by financing such sites or lobbying the government for many more billions than Al Gore? Only climate deniers seem to care about Al Gore, I care only about the science of climate change, and the reality is that all climate studies and climate scientists all over the world agree on anthropogenic global warming. Even if NASA for some reason had tampered with land-based temperatures in the U.S. (and they don’t,) you’d need a worldwide conspiracy on-going for many decades if global warming was indeed a fraud. You can see how ridiculous this is, and that climate denial is purely fueled by the fossil fuel industry that just wants to mine the Earth while they can, instead of starting investing in non-polluting renewables that also make sense economically: There’s more solar workers than coal workers, solar electricity broke down the 4 cents/kWh record this year, etc. Make no mistake, there are no people more persuaded that climate change is a reality than these fossil fuel industry leaders, that’s why they react so strongly to protect their financial interests, showing no interest at all for the rest of the humanity and the planet.
I am a climate skeptical but I can swear on the Bible that I got no money from Exxon Mobil.
NASA tampers with their world-wide data. GISS is headed by a climate goon squad run by Gavin Bullschmidt.
“solar electricity broke down the 4 cents/kWh record this year”
Good !.. subsidies no longer needed 🙂
ditto wind.. if its so cheap… remove the subsidies and stop wasting the people’s taxes on them.
There are FAR BETTER things that could be done with those funds. !
The war against coal via anti-CO2 farce is funded very strongly by the OIL and GAS companies, as well as the renewable companies chasing subsidies.
The rest is funded by Governments wanting to get a regular flow of money from CO2, because they know it is one of the most indispensable molecules on the planet, the basis of ALL food.
Sites like here, WUWT etc etc do NOT receive fossil fuel funding.
What you have heard is just more of the same propaganda BS,
And because of your low level of basic intellect and inability to question your priests, you keep falling for it.
If you actually track the fossil fuel money put into the climate dispute, you will find that the major oil corps put an order of magnitude more money into the CO2 hoax than they do funding skeptics. IMHO that is because they are owned by those who also own the big banks. The Rockefeller (Exxon/Mobil, Chevron) and Rothschild (BP, Shell) funds are also major supporters of various “green” action groups with the funding proportional to each group’s focus on CO2 vs other (perhaps more valid) green causes. The big banks owners would like a carbon trading scheme which would give them a percentage of the entire global economy in fees. They are the source of the backing of this hoax. It is not about saving the Earth, it is about enriching the corporatocracy and increasing the control of their puppet governments. The actual “emergency” is that we are entering a cool period, (unexpected when this was planned), and they want their scheme and controls in place (and justified in the public mind) before the majority catches on. When (if) the public does catch on there will likely be hell to pay so they will not fold on this gamble.
I took a look at the a couple of stations’ temps (thank you for the links), but the data quickly got me into trouble – how did you deal with the -9999 entries? Include, exclude, interpolate? I’m trying to skew the raw data as little as possible.
-9999 is often used to indicate a missing or invalid data point
Exactly. But what to do about them? The raw data has many and the adjusted data has almost none. If they’re bunched in a hot or cold time of year, leaving them out when averaging the raw data throws the averages. I just wonder what method was used here.
What is done here (by either “side”)? I don’t know.
What I do: Many of these “missing” monthly figures actually have sufficient daily readings at the station to determine the most likely trend. Where those exist, I use those.
Where that is not possible, I look at the historic trend lines for years where there is a continuous set of figures. (The entire history at that station, not just the last 30 years.) So, example (off the top of my head, I’m not looking at my actual database): the historic trend indicates that 60% of the warming between April and June typically occurs in May, I take the April number and add 0.6 x (June number – April number) and plug that in for May. This actually works well for the majority of stations, whether they are properly sited or not – human activities (jet exhaust, A/C exhaust, etc.) that skew the readings tend to follow annual cycles also. The only “error” in this is, say, a station where the station environment is changed during the “missing” month. New paving, complete re-paving (where the reading actually dips for the period between tearing out the old paving and laying down the new – different albedo in the area, plus frequently water spraying for dust control), station relocation / “upgrade,” etc. (Where I’ve been able to track these changes down, and reported numbers are available, the trend for that month is always outside the historic trend – frequently by two standard deviations.)
I have spent nearly every spare moment over the last 45 years researching what I now call the big lie. How would you feel if I told you nearly everything you thought you knew and understood was a complete sham? This is the conclusion I reached more than 30 years ago. Pretty much NOTHING that you see on the evening news hasn’t been completely twisted and misrepresented. Skewing temperature data a couple degrees is nothing compared to the massive lie that IS your life.
Al Gore should be proud — he is the biggest seller of snake oil of all-time.
There is so much money, taxing and political power behind “global warming” and “climate change” it will happen unless we get an honest government soon. They have wasted $1 trillion on this nonsense.
Google “Two Minute Conservative” for more.
My following observations have been inspired by VD (Vendicar Decarian – not the disease, although both I’ve heard, are difficult to remedy – with extensive, proper and careful professional attention.) :
I wish to draw your attention to the tendency of the “measured” (Md) and “reported” (Rd) graphs to be just past the point (about 2005) of crossing each other as the Md line has already begun tailing off relative to the Rd line which has begun it’s (not unexpected as being a CAGW (Catastrophically Adjusted Global Warming) tendency) consequent accelerated “historic” warming quest heights.
Obviously, this new NOAA bias inducing adjustment if already beginning to exhibit a CAGW favorite “heating trend” that unfortunately for the warmists only makes more (and increasingly) obvious the latest fatal failing of NOAA’s newest algorithmic creation.
If the new “mal-adjustments” were successful the Md and Rd graphs should be the same as at this time all measurements should be being taken using identical guidelines and no further data adjustments necessary and the graphs must be identical – unless the algorithm is incorrect!
How could NOAA get it wrong? How about by attempting to correct things such as the “time of day” readings when such an attempt can only be theoretical as no >50 year old “morning” temps were actually recorded and could only be guessed at – at best, and have failed miserably.
I would expect the inclusion of error bars should increase in uncertainty with each additional reading and it’s applied adjustment by this algorithm revealing such vagueness has already existed during the initial “adjustments” that NOAA’s program was never viable and by now (by the timeline) the uncertainty already greatly overwhelms any even improperly imagined statistical accuracy.
No doubt, more taxpayer’s credit will have to spent on more additional CAGW efforts to re-adjust the latest adjustments and will add to both the increasing national debt as well as add to the never ending (and eternally incomprehensible and failing) mosaic of CAGW attempts to brow-beat into taxpayers that we are getting (unfactually) uncomfortably hotter every year and can only be more comfortable by eliminating our dependency upon CO2 “polluting” (and vegetation nourishing), or even nuclear, comfort producing energy. I guess only “real” humans succumb to their surroundings and do not adapt our surroundings to accommodate us.
Please, examine the graph and see if you agree,
Paul
Sorry about any grammatical errors! The graph referred to is Steven’s first one – for this post.
Paul
Coffee and Red Wine are good for you this week, Next week they will be bad for you. Following that your good, then bad. The magnetosphere and solar winds, set the temps on Earth, period.
Man can create all kinds of chemistry and temporarily note heat/cold exchanges however the Earth knows it’s place in light of the sun.
It has been known for some time by reputable scientists that “Global Warming” was a scientific fraud, and the cases of lying, deceit, false data, and corrupt analysis were all part of a scheme to justify drastic sociological changes and huge reparations for supposedly “victimized” under-classes. One piece of research uncovered that most of the scientists who said “Global Warming” was a fact either worked for government, or other organizations dependent on government contracts and/or financial grants.
Science is not a matter of “agreement” on the part of interested parties. It is proved by evidence derived from the Scientific Method, the one proof that none of the Global Warming advocates have ever presented.
Meanwhile, stack of evidence to the contrary keeps piling up, and much of it contains proof of falsified data or Global Warming experiments that never took place.
“It has been known for some time by reputable scientists that “Global Warming” was a scientific fraud, and the cases of lying, deceit, false data, and corrupt analysis were all part of a scheme to justify drastic sociological changes and huge reparations for supposedly “victimized” under-classes. One piece of research uncovered that most of the scientists who said “Global Warming” was a fact either worked for government, or other organizations dependent on government contracts and/or financial grants.”
-> You, of course, have citations or links to substantiate this claim? The reputable scientists who say GW is a a fraud; the cases of lying, deceit, false data, etc.; the piece of research that somehow the government is able to employ tens of thousands of scientists and pay them off to lie? Or did you just hear this all on Fox? That last one is pretty funny considering that pretty much ALL climate change deniers are shilling for big oil. The rest are stupid.
Lisa,
“AGW is completely unadulterated fraud.”
This conclusion is based on the results of my own 55 year research career (1960-2015) and on information from the autobiographies of two great scientists who died in 2001:
1. Mathematician, astronomer, astrophysicist, Sir Fred HOYLE
2. Nuclear geochemist predicted natural reactors P. K. KURODA
Oh, okay, gotcha. That explains it all. Your research, whoever you are and whatever credentials you purport to have, plus some stuff you got out of two books by unnamed scientists, now deceased, and you are now in the position of declaring global warming a fraud. What about the evidence that all of the global warming scientists are on the take (as opposed to all of the “scientists” who work for big oil companies or in some way profit from them)? Don’t suppose you could point me to that? Because none of you have presented a single, verifiable piece of evidence to back up your statements. You all belong in a mental hospital. I have never seen such a severe lack of rational thinking in a group of people in my life. You simply repeat lies you have heard and you believe them despite all evidence to the contrary and zero evidence to support them. Sheeple need to think for YOURSELVES for once. You are being hoodwinked by those who intend to destroy this planet if they are allowed to keep polluting at will.
“I can’t remember the last time I read anything this absurd.” that is the comment about your article saying the sun is made of iron. 97% consensus is you are crazy.
https://greenfyre.wordpress.com/2010/01/01/ive-changed-my-mind/
Lisa, CO2 is not the same as polluting. You of all people should be the most upset about this. All the money that has been funneled into global warming, which has not happened, is no more understood now than ever, should have been focused on cleaning our water, cleaning our food, curing diseases we do know about, etc
Lisa,
“somehow the government is able to employ tens of thousands of scientists and pay them off to lie?”
The government puts up billions of dollars of grant money and awards it to the ones who are willing to lie. That’s the “somehow” we are looking for. You are pretty, but extremely naive.
Oh yeah. After the government selects the scientists who are willing to lie for grant money, a schmuck named John Cook says that 97% of them agree with each other. Why does he do it? For grant money.
Lisa,
Nothing predicted in the last forty years by the pushers of AGW has come true. Nothing.
All the models failed … the models all the hysterical predictions were based on.
Why would anyone continue to believe the hyperbole of people being showered with billions of dollars to keep pushing a theory that has a 100% failure rate in predictions?
Understand that enormous power and trillions of dollars are at stake. If successful the AGW crowd will be able to tax, control and regulate ANYTHING (including you) simply by claiming it causes global warming.
Lisa,
I put together a primer for people who still aren’t aware that it’s a scam. Take a gander, everything here is true:
http://www.hyzercreek.com/hoax.htm
Enjoy
Not like people with brains didn’t already know the books were being cooked.
WOW, SG..
That truly bought the leaches, slugs and assorted climate slime out of their cesspool.
WELL DONE !!! 🙂
I hope you have some good disinfectant handy.
For the cause. Changing history is ok. It shows which side of the aisle really cares for us.
Sharing with many
…And in other news the Earth if flat & the Moon landing was faked!
When sophomoric snark is all you’re capable of, I guess that’s what you go with.
Now, fall back on that other preferred tactic of the Jon Stewart window-licking crowd: Make a joke about his genitals. That’ll show him.
Rothschilds, And The Geoengineering Empire » Rothschilds, And …
http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/ rothschilds-and-the-geoengineering-empire/
Nov 13, 2012 … Why would the Rothschilds be so interested in owning the largest and most recognized weather modeling organization out there? Why would …
“The Global Warming crowd has been exposed to be perhaps the greatest scientific fraud of the century. If anyone in the financial industry did this, they would be sent to prison for 20 years or more. They outright deny the existence of any cyclical evidence and have basically pissed on the graves of everyone from Isaac Newton on.” – Martin Armstrong
Armstrong Economics
With now all the mountains of evidence and exposed (and admitted) fraud, warmists are the real deniers and the new useful idiots.
“With now all the mountains of evidence and exposed (and admitted) fraud, warmists are the real deniers and the new useful idiots.”
citation please
See autobiographies of Sir Fred Hoyle, Paul Kazuo Kuroda and me for references that verify the comment noted above, Lisa:
“AGW is completely unadulterated fraud.”
You can repeat that as often as you like, does not make it anymore true than the first time you said it. “me for references” -> who are you and where is your 55 year study?
PSEUDO-SCIENCE!
As an astronomer I can tell you that Dr. Manuel has tried to get any number of these papers (there are many) published in astronomical journals — and has failed every time (other than an occasional conference proceeding, and most of these are not by the American Astronomical Society). Long ago, he apparently worked in meteoric abundances, and might have even done some respectable work.
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Spaceman Spiff
Lest someone misunderstand — the reason he doesn’t get published in the peer-reviewed astronomical journals is because he practices “(pseudo)science by fiat” (the world is what I say it is), rather than science. He makes unsubstantiated claims left, right, and center — and generally just makes it up. As we see again and again in science’s encounters with the anti-scientific, it takes next to no effort at all to make one’s own universe as one wants it to be, but takes frustratingly significant amount of time and effort to rebut.
Lisa, it’s sad to see that you’re one of the Borg and obsessed with your Collective views in the “belief” : Global Warming could be caused by mankind. The premise of the Global Warming claims is based upon CO2 as a causation ; that is total nonsense! Do some real research & you will find that the AGW mantra falls over at the first hurdle.
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Once you’ve done that research, please tell us all, what percentage you think this CO2 influences – amongst hundreds of known factors towards Natural Variability.
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We should also recount the stupid & fraudulent Predictions made by the warming mongers from Gore to the IPCC. It’s a very embarrassing percentage of scientific predictions that did NOT eventuate… it’s less than 10%… that’s bad science…
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Every Continent is experiencing longer & cooler Winters with more snow and ice…
There is more Ice in Antarctica than ever in recorded history. The Arctic is regaining multi year Ice and Greenland is trending towards gains with record snow. So the AGW ideology is based upon scientific fraud , failed predictions & contrary trends… and you still believe… that’s blind faith!
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Of course you can go back to a Borg site & suck up the nonsense, if you prefer;
but there is lot of truth across Real Science, as to the fraud involving AGW.
Sorry, don’t know any Borg.
The so-called ‘scientific community’ is really starting to stink and needs a good housecleaning.
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
? Upton Sinclair
I am glad the weather is cooling down. It’s freakin’ hot down here in Florida.
Doh!
Weather is not climate, you willfully ignorant fuckstick.
Oh look, we have a low IQ 14 year old in the forum..
Does your handler know you are here ??
Lisa, I for one am grateful that you joined the discussion and offered a different scientific perspective. I like learning what experts think and I enjoy listening to them, even on subjects so far outside of my experience that their jargon gets in the way.
Is fuckstick an enthusiast practitioner’s term for a dildo?
Australian Scientists Caught Rigging Climate Number to Fake Global Warming
Posted on September 30, 2014 by Martin Armstrong
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The IPCC Exposed
http://youtu.be/LOyBfihjQvI
corbettreport
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Environmentalists are green on the outside and deep communist/socialist red on the inside.
Google:
The Green Agenda – Deep Ecology
http://www.green-agenda.com/deepecology.html
“It appears that the Global Green Agenda includes controlling every aspect of human activity, especially our reproduction. Humans, as a destructive pest species, must have their population tightly controlled, and even significantly reduced according to some.”
Stop these attacks on wallet and freedoms:
“The Establishment Academics are becoming just fascist Marxists hell-bent on manipulating society for personal gain and power.”
“Global Warming is another hidden agenda. The politicians are eager to climb on board not to save the world, but to raise taxes. The academics are driven by the money so they can sit in their rooms collect welfare checks for totally worthless nonsense.”
Google:
Global Warming Fascist Movement & Academic Welfare | Armstrong …
http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/ 2014/ 05/ 18/ global-warming-fascist-movement-academic-welfare/
May 18, 2014
” Money pours into academia to create bogus studies to support the theory of Global Warming for taxing power as well as other agendas. So, Establishment Academics line up like those in the inner city on welfare check day to get their welfare checks to put out studies on all sorts of things with a predetermined conclusion.”
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The Bullying of Bengtsson and the Coming Climate Disruption …
http://www.drroyspencer.com/ 2014/ 05/ the-bullying-of-bengtsson-and-the-coming-climate-disruption-hypocalyp se/
May 16th, 2014 by Roy W. Spencer, Ph. D.
“Lennart Bengtsson being bullied by colleagues is only the latest example of bad behavior by climate scientists who have made a deal with the devil. They have exchanged their scientific souls for research grants, prestige, and easy access to scientific journals to publish their papers.”
“… dream of regulating “carbon” – and thus basically controlling global energy consumption.”
“Global warming exists and any other perspective is incorrect … and illegal! ”
– See more at: http://thedailybell.com/news-analysis/35400/Growing-Warmist-Intolerance-Threatens-Social-and-Legal-Fabric/#sthash.g0HxMhZi.dpuf
The science the Warming crowd leaders uses is quite predictable and simple:
Co2 emissions+population+ignorance+bullying=$ in my pocket.
defund NOAA – oops to late just built a $200mm state of the art building with accommodations and architecture beyond corporate Fortune 500 standards. A large expensive architecture firm has it now in their marketing brochure. What a joke and waste of tax payer money.
Oh, those dirty-birdy warmists! First they cook the figures, then they get Mother Nature to play along, with one historically extreme weather event after another! Dastardly! Will they stop at nothing?!
every “extreme weather event” is down Jim
hurricanes, fires, floods, droughts……etc etc…..all down
Unfortunately, you do not provide any evidence of historically extreme weather in your snarky sarcastic post. True believer, indeed.
“…one historically extreme* weather event after another!”
* after data “homogenization”
We’ve always had extreme weather. It just wasn’t reported from around the world so quickly and vividly. My mom was in the Hurricane of 1948 in New Orleans. It flooded the 1st floor of their home in Metairie. The lost almost everything especially the dairy cattle and equipment. Thousands died here in Florida in West Palm Beach in the early part of the 20th century.
This just proves what the Global Change-Warmers have been saying all along. Climate changes… and it’s the fault of the rich white folks for… um… being rich… and white. The only solution is to redistribute money. It’s Science.
sure Obama, Clinton, Gore, and the heads of Wall Street want to give the money to the poor! It has just been an accident that under the current leadership that caused the greatest income inequality in history….just give Clinton II or Obama another chance….there backer Soros, Buffet and Wall Street…will surely let some money travel to the poor. The Crony Economy depends on this boogie man! Just coincidence that places like Goldman Sachs soaks up tax credits for global warming projects and pay ZERO income tax. Ever wonder how Clinton became the 10th richest President when upon leaving office he was one of the poorest…he never ran a company, never invented anything….doesn’t have a job…where do you think that money came from? Great work SG!
Climate change is a cult followed by godless, gullible people.
“We have a vested interest in creating panic, because then money will flow to climate science.”
John Christy
Global Warming is real. But it is NOT measured in degrees. It is measured in dollars. The more the temperature is “measured” as a rising trend the more dollars are need for further “study” and the more dollars can be collected with a “carbon tax”.
Did you know that the personal behavior of about 1% of the U. S. population results in their CO2 footprint being 50 TIMES the actual average / person? Not too surprising with their use of private jets, heavy discretionary commercial air travel, specifically flying first class, massive living space / person, across multiple homes, and a myriad of other outsized CO2 producing behaviors. But do you realize this means this small group is responsible for more than 33% of ALL (that’s right, ALL) U. S. CO2 emissions. Were this group to only emit 25 TIMES the average, OVERALL U. S. CO2 emissions would decline 17% and OVERALL PLANETARY CO2 emissions would decline 2.7%. Can any of you AGW folks explain why all the plans being implemented by the president will allow this small group to continue to spew CO2 unabated while financially hammering the lower income and middle classes, just for being alive? It is an emergency we are told yet these FACTS give the appearance of this being a giant scam. Please hurry, the fate of the world rests upon your explanation.
you’re talking about China, Kuwait, and India right?
? I clearly state it is the U. S.
I thought I was clearly being snarkjy….
It will be fun if someone can actually figure out size of the VAST amount of CO2 released ferrying the climate glitterati to PARIS in December. 🙂
I hope its very cold and they have issues with the nuclear power stations.
Pity its not being held in UK or in Germany, both with a chance of electricity supply collapse.
I don’t know the number of attendees, so I can make no estimation. Private jet, as well as commercial jet (specifically for flying first class) data is available. Totals for 500 people, for the incremental CO2 footprint for the entire event, would likely be in the range of the annual emissions for several thousand typical Americans or several 10s of thousands for those who we are told are at risk due to sea level increases. It doesn’t matter, it is a scam and my facts are merely an attempt to point out the scam from a different perspective, as well as where the allegiances of the president lie, totally opposite of his many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many words.
CO2 is plant food. Ever consider that?
All the time.
The atmospheric CO2 level is still very much at the low end of plant and general biosphere requirements.
The global warming hoax was conceived originally for the purpose of international economic redistribution. In order to carry out the agenda evidence was needed. Evidence was bought and paid for. If the UN gets what it’s communist leaning members want it means that all will fall under the authority of an global taxing power. This agency will achieve for communists the elusive goal of an international control mechanism. Communist totalitarians require that the entire world fall under their control because left to other alternatives the people always try to escape, their money fleeing first. There is no global warming. We are on the cusp of a great cooling period which the warmists will call “climate change” and claim it is what they were talking about all the time. At the US one of the big shots in a rare moment of candor said he didn’t know if the science was correct but he knew that the policy of global warming was correct. There you have it. Do not cooperate or be taken in by the arch liars who really seek to take your freedom and your life.
That’s exactly what Stalin wanted when he united nations (UN) and national academies of science (NAS) on October 24, 1945.
Anybody wonder why the people who didn’t think insurance companies would pass on the costs to consumers (Jonathan Gruber and his comments about the stupidity of the American [obviously left-wing] voters should ring a bell) fail to see any temperature data massaging?
Now many of these same stupid people are pushing for a cap-and-trade tax or a carbon tax without realizing that the costs put on industries are going to be transferred to us.
Another thing these stupid people don’t realize is that once a carbon tax gets implements, it’s going to bring in soooo much revenue to the government that they will be awash in money and probably use part of it to pay down the debt and fund social programs. In short, it could very well get the rich off the hook of having to pay for these things and put it squarely on the backs of the middle class.
Probably why many rich people want a carbon tax.
Duh
Per Vendicar Decarian – For the purposes of analyzing temperature trends, we don’t take time-of-day measurements. We take each day’s high and low temperatures, regardless of the time-of-day those highs and lows were recorded. The only adjustments made over time would be for the Urban Heat Island effect, which by consensus would be increasing over time.
It’s always about the money. The bottomless pool of research money that comes from government wants scientists who “prove” their theory of global warming. Industry money is paltry compared to the endless funds that are taken at the point of a gun. Scientists want to feed their families, so they work hard at falsifying data to make government’s points.
Obama’s Irish Ambassador made millions in wind energy and was a top kickbacker to Obama…get how it works!
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/10/22/nasa-announces-new-record-growth-of-antarctic-sea-ice-extent/
Could you please post a more digested version of the data as your reference? Is this raw data really the data you used for your analysis for this article, or is there a half-digested version somewhere or an analysis code that you would be willing to share? As it is the reference is not very useful for the (even educated) reader to arrive independently at your same conclusion.
Hello. Will I evolve?
doubtful
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When or if the climate becomes impossibly uncomfortable. And all the air conditioners in the world don’t do the trick. Simply offset the overheating with a hefty atomic bomb to Wake Island. Or the Bikini’s. Bring on an atomic winter. Easy peasy.
moron alert
Are you people for real? Oh my god! I can only hope that most, if not all, of you are too selfish to have children because the last thing this world needs is more of your genes contaminating the pool.
Psycho alert
Confirmed.
lmao, I am the psycho. There is a consensus among your colleagues – 100% – that you are a raving lunatic. The sun is made of iron, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha . Asshat.
Lisa , there is a saying “people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones”. It’s one thing to exchange insults, but the way you dumped on omanuel was pure evil. This followed
your other written assertion “genes contaminating the pool” statement to many of us.
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From what I have witnessed ; I would assess you as probably being on the high achieving autism spectrum, very likely Asperger (AS), ( obsessive, unfeeling, irresponsible, etc.etc.). This is not intended to offend… but to say we are aware.
Please look up who Gruber is. You are part of his target audience, Congratulations!
pot…kettle
Global Warming Gone Wrong: Family Commits Global Warming Suicide And Baby Survives
https://friskaliberal.wordpress.com/2010/03/01/global-warming-gone-wrong-family-commits-global-warming-suicide-and-baby-survives/
Looks like someone’s parents have already aimed for the lowest intellect they could manage.
Not nice to talk about your parents that way, Andy.
You are pretty, but stupid. Global warming is a government hoax, an attempt to raise taxes.
Do you think for some reason that your saying it makes it so. Not one of you dipshits has mustered up a single shred of legitimate evidence to support your asinine claims. I have a hard time believing that there are this many people who are as stupid as you all are so either this blog is run out of a mental institution or at least some of you are flat out lying. You don’t really believe this moronic crap you spew – you just want to ease some of your guilt for helping to destroy our planet. Whether by fracking, or whatever oil or polluting corporation you have an interest in, or merely by voting Republican, each of you is to blame for what is going to become of this earth in 20 or 50 years. Selfish pieces of shit you all are. I will pray for your souls.
None of that has anything to do with global warming. Fracking, pollution, voting republican? This is a blog about global warming from CO2 or lack thereof. Stick to the topic.
“each of you is to blame for what is going to become of this earth in 20 or 50 years”
How are we to blame for the Earth being just a little bit colder ?
“I will pray for your souls.”
Thank you for the meaningless gesture. 🙂
I would pray for yours, also… if I thought you had one.
The stupid it BURNS!!!!!!!
Drink lots of water then.
Doubt it will help you though, it will always be with you.
Lisa, you seem like a nice person who actually believes the global warming hoax, not one of the scammers who knows it’s wrong but continues to work the con anyway. You have been tricked. If you stick around here you’ll learn the truth. There are 100 reasons why it’s wrong.
Really Lisa? Please inform us of what has happened that they predicted would happen due to supposed man caused global warming.
Is the Arctic virtually ice free?
Is the Antarctic losing ice?
Is the Greenland ice sheet melting away and causing coastal flooding due to sea level rise rate increase?
All of those catastrophies were supposed to have either happened by now or to have become obvious that they were in the process of happening. Not a single one has.
So what catastrophe has happened of the many the “scientists” predicted would?
The answer is ZERO! So who is stupid here? Those that question the authorities that made such predictions? Or those that still believe them despite the failure of ALL of their predictions of disaster?
I must say it is fun, and great progress, to see realist forums like here, WUWT, JoNova etc starting to get SO MUCH ATTENTION, even if it is from the very lowest level of the AGW drones. 🙂
Keep coming guys.. fun to watch the PANIC setting in…
that’s the ONLY reason you are here, PANIC ! 🙂
What are you babbling about, douchenozzle?
I take back what I said. You are just another troll.
Morgan , I’m not sure whether we are dealing with the Grim Reaper or Smiling Assassin. I’ve given Lisa a chance to answer a troll clearance question…
You are dealing with a child-minded scientific non-entity with a yappy mouth.
That’s all it has, because that all it has in its life.
Empty fear and panic.
Why else do you think it is here, except to mouth off. !
Lisa , I’ve been reading all your replies and you have been insulting everyone more than I’ve ever seen anywhere ; that is the act of a troll. If you you’re not a troll, rather an “obsessed warmist” with wild assertions ; it’s now time to prove your case.
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Please tell us all, what percentage “you think” CO2 influences Climate Change : against the hundreds of known factors that contribute to the Natural Variability?
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This Question, separates the trolls from those that have genuinely researched the
science . A referral or inappropriate response means: we are dealing with a troll.
“I’ve been reading all your replies and you have been insulting everyone more than I’ve ever seen anywhere ”
Marsh, the ONLY person she/he/it is insulting, is themselves.
If a Chihuahua yaps at you, its because of its innate defence mechanism against fear.
Your junior high low IQ language matches well to your junior high low IQ intelligence.
Do try harder to improve yourself.
You will grow up eventually, if you give yourself a chance.
http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/40536
There are those who claim that the UN is behind the global warming scam to create a one-world government. If we turn it down a notch and follow the money, we find a bogus agenda to raise taxes substantially in the name of the environment. I have reported that NOAA, the agency responsible for collecting this data, has refused to reveal their data. NOAA has been caught manipulating the data and changing history all to set the agenda for a massive tax increase. Every real scientific investigation (Mind-Blowing Temperature Fraud At NOAA _ Real Science) disproves global warming and shows that we are heading into a cooling phase.
In this context, it is interesting to note that an important meteorological satellite (NOAA 16) reportedly broke apart on November 25. The Joint Space Operations Center (JSpOC) of the American forces noticed at 15:41 ET “an unknown number of related objects” that circled the suddenly destroyed NOAA 16 satellite.
According to the report, there was no collision. Now, they are claiming that the questionable satellite responsible for the data collection has broken apart due to a defective battery. This is perfect timing, just like the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon to kill the investigation into $2 trillion missing from the defense budget or the attack on WTC7, which was not even hit, but magically collapsed with all our evidence documenting every bank manipulation from when it began. This convenient destruction of the satellite will prevent anyone from investigating the global warming data manipulation that is being used to massively increase your taxes in the years ahead. Eliminating cash and moving the election ensures that everyone will pay for the real crisis — the sovereign debt crisis & the collapse of socialism.
This weather satellite was brought into orbit in 2000 and should operate for at least many years. The NOAA used the satellite in June 2014 until they then replaced it because of a “critical anomaly” decommissioned.
This year, however, the satellite blew up with another satellite: the satellite number 13 of the weather satellite program of the U.S. Armed Forces Defense Meteorological Satellite Program (DMSP). There also, they claimed that the explosion destroying the weather satellite was due to a faulty battery.
Is this just a coincidence, or is this part of the agenda?
Steven, you obviously captured the White House’s attention. This site has now been invaded by Stalin’s little foul-mouthed, brain-dead assistants.
Lisa et al.,
Tell your lying Stalinist paymasters the “Orwellian Reign of Public Research Funds-Purchased Consensus Science“ is over.
We now know how:
1. Stalin came to power in 1945
2. Took control of the National Academies of Science
3. Used public research funds to purchase “97%-Consensus Science”
4. Turned formerly prestigious research journals into “Propaganda Publications“
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Omanual , don’t stress yourself good buddy… this is “Not the reality” with Lisa… AndyG55 is on the right track with the situation; nothing to do with Stalin !!
Have the usual suspects managed to rebut this claim?
Did anyone notice the president waited till August on one of the hottest days of the year to announce his latest global warming prevention initiative. If this really is one of the warmest years “ever recorded” (when no one ever measured total earth temperature on average as “climate until about 20 years ago) then the same idiots with their initiative can claim that all years following are cooler because of something they did or tried to do. Trace carbon dioxide in the atmosphere cannot produce the results claimed because unlike a green house or a glass bottle the atmosphere expands and contracts when heated and cooled. The original experiments are defective. Universal gas laws are ignored. To see a world change in temperature the way it would be measured would be in terms of change in barometric pressure/ atmospheric pressure or a rise in sea level. But a rise in sea level can come from different sources . The fastest way to warm the seas is to heat the seas directly. it is difficult to warm the seas by exposing them to atmospheric contact. No one heats an indoors swimming pool by raising the temperature of the air in the room . At least not very efficiently. Another cause of rising sea level can be a massive subduction zone earth quake where the continent slips under water which we have recorded . Difficult to tell because some continents rise out of the seas as other are slipping down. The global warming science is massive systematic deliberate scientific fraud. Easy to see . At some point the scientists responsible for the fraud should be held responsible discredited and jailed for taking billions of dollars when they knew their data was fabricated.
We do not have jail space for all of Stalin’s “scientists.”
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281017812_STALIN'S_SCIENCE
The unanswered question: Can society be returned to sanity (contact with reality) without undergoing a crash landing of our economic and social systems?
I am NOT relying on what I am told or graphs I see but folks…PHOTOGRAPHS DON’T LIE Look at the pictuses of the polar ice cap from 25 years ago…look at the glaciers melting. Do tyou REALLY want to call in a hoax and gamble witrh the quality of life you are leaving your grandchildren?
Stalin was in power all thru WW 2 & a long time before that. (Just to correct the record.)
Any of you have a science degree? I’m assuming there aren’t too many people who have actually ever looked at the raw data. It’s real easy to act like you are an expert when you are on the internet. Next time you have a health problem don’t go to any of those “scientists”…they are just making up data because they have nothing better to do.
Where do these morons come from?
I think that television has a lot to do with it.
One thing is for sure Mother has never bothered to look at what degrees you or a lot of the other skeptics have. She just takes her ‘information’ from propaganda sites like Huff and Puff, The groiniad or the SS.
Mother says: “I’m assuming there aren’t too many people who have actually ever looked at the raw data.”
Actually, there are a LOT of people who have looked at the raw data. They are called “sceptics”.