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Oh my!
And CO2 has done nothing, zero, in over a century. My wuwt comment:
CodeTech says:That fact is : CO2 does not drive climate. Never has, doesn’t now, never will.
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Well, that s the major point we are trying to make. Historically, there’s no empirical evidence that CO2 does anything, and in this short but key 3 minute video on the CO2 lag see Al Gore’s and the ipcc’s faulty claim of evidence on CO2 shot down: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK_WyvfcJyg&CO2Lag
The above video shows that temperature is the cause of changes in CO2. No evidence exists that C02 is both a cause and an effect of temperature change, but that is exactly what the warmists maintain. They say there is “established century old physics” behind the notion that CO2 has any appreciable effect on climate temperature, but that’s all they have, is an old theoretical model (no evidence) to back everything that they propose they do to our economies, like taking us toward the stone age with the 83% CO2 cuts mandated in the cap & trade bill that passed the US House in 2009! Well, going against their theory on CO2 is, per The Economist: “The mismatch between rising greenhouse-gas emissions and not-rising temperatures [15 year pause].” And even more important, as has been covered here at wuwt, is the effectively identical rate of temperature rise during the first (low CO2) and second (higher CO2) halves of the 20th century. During the more recent time with “dangerous high levels” of CO2, and at low CO2 levels, the climate is acting exactly the same. There is no other explanation but that CO2 is doing absolutely nothing. That is the actual evidence. The only thing the fear mongers have is a theoretical model, but a different theoretical model exists that suggests Co2 has ~ zero effect beyond 200ppm. So, discount the “established physics,” as something is terribly wrong with the GHE theory as propounded by the establishment warmists.
According to NASA
In other words CO2 acts as a naturally triggered coolant on the atmosphere.
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2012/22mar_saber/
Tom, I was just reading comments from this article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/Global-cooling-Arctic-ice-caps-grows-60-global-warming-predictions.html
And I sees what appears to be your comment, excellent, outstanding! Lol:
How dare a responsible newspaper like this stoop to such low tactics as publishing arrant truth dressed up as a news item. They don’t seem to understand that the UN and the big governments of the world have told them what to say and they have failed to say it. The UN and the big governments stand to lose lots of money, credibility, and control if newspapers just willie-nillie go around publishing this sort of thing for all and sundry to read! They should just stop it and do as BBC does, and toe the line!. Next people will realize that temperatures have not risen for more than 15 years but CO2 has continued to rise all through this time. Then where would we be? What sort of financial mess would governments be in if all this carbon tax was just a hoax? We couldn’t pay all those expensive scientists and researchers.
– tom0mason, Kingston, United Kingdom, 8/9/2013 0:10
I agree with both comments and would add the following, in connection with the statement
“In other words CO2 acts as a naturally triggered coolant on the atmosphere”
I think this is 100% correct or at least very accurate, but there is also another effect of CO2 besides radiative cooling of the upper atmosphere, i.e., dryness:
“… Lammertsma et al. determine that as CO2 levels rise, vegetation responds in two ways: one, by absorbing more CO2 for food production, and two, releasing less water vapor. The scientists calculate that with this vegetation response, a doubling of atmospheric CO2 to 800ppm levels will cut in half the amount of atmospheric water vapor – that’s called a major, natural, NEGATIVE feedback. This negative feedback that will have a huge impact on the atmosphere’s water vapor content is not included in any climate models that the IPCC, NASA and NOAA utilize. This may be a major reason why these models have continually failed in their predictions. …”
This could also be tied with the high increase of CO2 measured (by proxy ) at the end of all previous interglacial periods.
Some people say that “excess of CO2” could prevent the onset of a new glaciation, when in fact the effect could be exactly the opposite.
I still believe the Sun is the main driver of all long term trends in climate, but could CO2 in fact be accelerating the present cooling to some extent?
This part is not very clear to me.
I forgot the link:
http://www.c3headlines.com/2011/03/peer-reviewed-study-finds-that-co2-induced-warming-causes-atmosphere-to-hold-less-water-vapor.html
To borrow a phrase spoken by one of our great intellects shortly after the fate of some other people was sealed. “At this point, what difference does it make?”
I knew it was bullshit back in 1989. One of the things that totally amazes me is that there are still people who believe it even now. There are still plenty people still peddling the myth – and still making a nice living (thank you very much) – off of it too.
Up to 2002 it’d be difficult to know exactly what was happening because the warming of the late 1980’s and 90’s was real. I didn’t read too much about climate back then and I only changed my mind about AGW in 2006.
Isn’t it wonderful that the internet never forgets? You’d think some “smart” people would keep their mouths shut.
And unasked by anyone as yet is: Where is Mr. N Brown today??