30 Years Since EPA Said New York Could Sell Their Snow Plows

Science spoke 30 years ago. Permanent flooding in the southwest, and no snow in New York.

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Published: November 2, 1983

The recent forecast by the Environmental Protection Agency that a general warming of the earth’s atmosphere will occur during the next decades has sent shivers all along the East Coast.

In Arizona they are wondering whether the recent floods will become a permanent feature of their climate. And in New York they are thinking of selling the city’s snowplows.


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36 Responses to 30 Years Since EPA Said New York Could Sell Their Snow Plows

  1. Steve Case says:

    That editorial sold papers, and that’s all that counts.

  2. juanmirre says:

    I LOVE THIS: … “Iran may recapture its role as a world power”…

  3. Winnipeg Boy says:

    There was a time when those who dared to call out the massive Libor manipulation conspiracy (such as what Zero Hedge did with one of its first posts in 2009) for being a massive Libor manipulation conspiracy some 4 years before the “theory” became a fact, were branded as scaremongering, fringe voices, best to be ignored. Then, of course, once the “theory” became “fact” it suddenly was perfectly obvious to everyone in retrospect.

    But the bigger question, and what stumped the so-called experts, is how could something so vast, with so many moving pieces, remain a secret for as long as it did.

    The answer is extremely simple: everyone who was in on the “secret” was also benefiting from it: from the lowliest Libor rigger to the CEO of Barclays and every other major bank, they all knew what was going on, but also knew that if the information became public knowledge, the jig would be up, and everyone’s benefits would evaporate with some even going to jail (at least in a hypothetical legal system in which bankers actually go to jail). In other words, it was merely a case where everyone’s interest was aligned to maintain the conspiracy cartel as long as possible.

    Sound Familiar?

  4. Fred from Canuckistan says:

    Wonder if Gav bought his own boat or just borrows Hansens to paddle to work on the now flooded West Side Highway?

  5. Michael 2 says:

    Be sure to read the story at the New York Times: global warming is real and GOOD for earth. Quote:

    As a result of the loss of atmospheric carbon dioxide during the centuries, there has occurred a correlated loss of circulating water immobilized in the polar ice caps. This produced increasingly frequent and widespread droughts and a progressive enlargement of the deserts. Thus, by restoring the carbon dioxide trapped in fossil fuels to the atmosphere, man increases not only the average temperature but also the average water supply for agricultural land.

    • Doug says:

      Unfortunately that theory has been proven false. GW now causes excessive rain only where it’s not needed and drought everywhere else. Or drought followed by flooding, followed by no snow and then excessive snow. And something about bees.

      • Yes, the bees. And the frogs, too.

        The UCLA scientists were quite circumspect in their 2014 press release below—probably out of consideration for Puerto Rico’s children also mentioned there—but we can be direct on this blog.

        If Scots-Irish males in the Republican South were “becoming smaller” and their “mating calls shorter and higher”, we know exactly what progressive journalists would call them at New York parties:

        A pathetic bunch of squeaky, puffed up, compensating sissy losers.

        Now, see what global warming did to coqui frog males:

        Climate change a likely culprit in coqui frog’s altered calls, say UCLA biologists

        Changes in the Puerto Rican climate over the past three decades have caused small but significant changes to the coqui frog, the territory’s national animal. UCLA biologists have found that not only have male coquis become smaller, but their mating call has also become shorter and higher pitched.

        Now, because of climate change, its reproductive success is likely to decrease substantially, the scientists predict.



        • gator69 says:

          A UGNA (University of Gator North America) study found that climate change over the past three decades have caused large and significant changes to the lefitist male, the bane of humanity. UGNA experts have found that not only have male leftists become more feminine, but their manhood has also become shorter, and their shrill frightened cries higher pitched.

          Fixed it!

        • Thanks for the correction, Gator. Real life analogies are superior to unlikely hypotheticals.

        • nielszoo says:

          Speaking as a Scots-Irish male, registered to vote in Florida as a Republican… I’m trying to figure out if I need to be offended or if I need to sue or if I need to call the DoJ and have you investigated and disbanded or if I should have my Hollywood connections make a movie about you called “Colorado, Seller of Doubt” or if I should just try and sic Hope on to you…
          … or maybe I’ll just laugh at the cute little frog pic and the general ignorance of UCLA’s minions for coming up with things that are far stupider than I ever thought possible.

        • It was the best hypothetical, after all. Who better than the Scots-Irish to raise their mannish voices against progressive idiocy in defense of the little froggies’ honor?



        • gator69 says:

          Hello my cracker brother!

        • Doug says:

          According to the “study”, a 0.5 degree F rise in temperature causes 10% frog shrinkage. Are we to assume that the frogs at sea level are only about 10% the size of those at 1000 meters?

        • Dave G says:

          Probably not from climate change but from women peeing out birth control hormones.

      • Rosco says:

        So it causes basically everything including the 2008 Wall Street crash sparked by overheating at Lehmann Brothers and all the other sub-prime mortgage and climate scammers.

        But that article was definitely not prophesying doom and gloom.

      • rah says:

        And yet being a “Metrosexual” is what they believe to be the perfect specimen of the male species. The left is so funny. “Real men don’t eat quiche”? A “real man” eats and drinks what ever the hell he wants and doesn’t give a flying fuck what anyone else thinks about it!

    • Yes, the late Professor Taschdjian believed that restoring CO2 to the atmosphere and the predicted warming of the atmosphere were a good thing.

      • Gail Combs says:

        CO2 is good for plants and warming is good for plants. Evaporation of water keeps the temperature reasonable even at the equator.

        Increase in CO2 allows plants to reclaim the deserts because the stomata do not release as much water.
        Also COLD = Deserts

        WARM = smaller Deserts.

        Africa under full glacial conditions – 20,000-16,000 14C ya

        Africa present-potential vegetation

        Africa during the early Holocene – 9,000 14C ya

        Africa during the early-to-mid Holocene – 8,000 – 7,000 14C ya

        • Well, Edgar Taschdjian was a biologist.

        • rah says:

          And Alfred Wegener who is recognized as the father of the theory of Continental drift and thus set foundation for the theory of plate tectonics was trained as an astronomer.

          And that is how it works. The history of science has many examples of scientists and in some cases those with no formal training in science, making major discoveries in fields in which they had no formal training. In nearly every case the prominent scientists in the field such giants have imposed their theories upon, have done their damnedest to repudiate them, until their field finally adopts them as their gospel, often at times after the death of those who’s theory they so vehemently opposed.

          And yet today, to listen to the AGW faithful one would think they have never had any training in the history of science.

          Personally I believe the history of science should be a mandatory requirement for a HS diploma. If it was, there would be one hell of a lot more skeptics.

        • Oh, I agree. I was not making an argumentum ab auctoritate. Edgar Taschdjian referred to himself as an agro-engineer despite being one of the broadly educated thinkers of the 20th century. I just meant that he knew what makes plants grow and said so, contradicting the generalized statements of the climatologist dimwits.

          Edgar Taschdjian was an Armenian born in 1904 Vienna. Travelling with an Italian passport, he taught biology in Peking in 1940s and befriended Fr. Teilhard de Chardin there. Years later, after immiration to the United States, he and his wife Claire were co-founders of the American Teilhard de Chardin Association.


        • gator69 says:

          Just bring back Logic and Critical Thinking classes to our public schools. They were removed from the curriculum for a sinister reason.

        • rah says:

          I graduated from HS in 1974. It was a pretty good sized school and my graduating class was over 500, but I really can’t remember a class in critical thinking being offered. There were however classes offered for logic and philosophy. I still think though that specific to the subject concentrated on here, a history of science class would do the trick.

        • gator69 says:

          Hey Rah! Logic and Philosophy was one of the names given to critical thinking classes that virtually every public school once required. Jimmy Carter’s administration was not the beginning of the dumbing down of public schools, it started much earlier. I believe it was FDR who stated his goal for public schools was to produce a compliant work force.

          My father’s generation was probably the last who as a rule were taught how to think on their own. Thankfully in my many different schools I attended across two continents I was introduced to critical thinking. Dad helped there too, bringing home military and civilian conundrums that needed extra eyes. Once it was a War College puzzle in which a photographic paper company went bust because they could not pinpoint a fault in their manufacturing and/or storage processes, I figured it out in less than an hour, I was 13.

          If I were raising kids today I would home school.

      • Gail Combs says:

        Since ~9,000 years ago the earth has been cooling and as the above maps show the earth has been getting drier and the deserts bigger.


        The Warmists are full of Pig Feces!

      • Gail Combs says:

        Here is Africa under full glacial conditions – 22,000-14,000 14C ya.

        It was a heck of a lot drier!

        • emsnews says:

          And homo sapiens arose, hunting animals and naked of all fur except on the head and the other part of the body between the legs…oh, and the arms for sending out love scents.

      • Gail Combs says:

        Gator I recommend home schooling to all my clients. we had out Dr. Robinson’s website.

  6. gator69 says:

    Is New York selling then to Arizona?

  7. Stephen Fisher says:

    “all the news that’s print to fit”

  8. emsnews says:

    NYC decided to not snow plow due to financial considerations. I owned property there back then.

    We FREAKED OUT due to the blizzards and impossibility of getting around and besieged the mayor at the time and in no uncertain terms, ordered him to keep up with snow plowing.

    And guess what? Before this last winter, the mayor of Jersey City talked about doing away with snow plows! You can guess what rage followed this announcement.

  9. SMS says:

    If you were a real believer in CAGW and living in New York, you would insist that they sell the snow plows and buy gondola’s. Hansen, in 1988, was predicting the oceans would cover the streets of New York within 20 to 30 years, making the city another Venice. His prediction, along with all the other scare mongering lies, have all failed to materialize. Nothing, absolutely nothing has come true that was predicted as a result of increasing CO2. The joke continues with the premier of Merchants of Doubt. How many failed predictions are they going to discuss? None, they just move on to the next scary prediction and the media continues to feed on the lies.

  10. Gail Combs says:

    It looks like NYC had better not put their snow plows away just yet.

    ….Joe Bastardi is predicting that yet another period of cold – and more snowfall – will descend on New England and the Midwest beginning around the 20th of March (or even a few days sooner) following the current warmth, and that that this may last into mid April….

    If we are lucky it will snow in DC again.

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