Tony didn’t block you because of censorship, more likely because you are full of shit. You’re one of the biggest BS artists in the Cause-a Nostra. You told me you have a PhD in physics. I think you have a GED.
a Fascist Nazi is a freak who believes government must control the thoughts of people. It is a form of socialism where all must think the same. If twitter does this than they fit the mold. But if an individual does it , that is discretion.
David Appell: Everytime you post, I piss my self laughing. You are a gem…like I have told you many times, you should be a stand-up comic. I have never read a sane comment that you have ever posted. You fit the bill for the quote: “This guy has shit for brains!”
The climate Nazi’s strike again. Let the readers know if there is anything we can do. I would be happy to create an account such as SteveFGoddard at anytime and forward your posts under that name. I believe we will all know what the ‘F’ stands for, good luck!
Given that you have exactly as much control over WordPress as you have over Twitter or Google, self-hosting is indeed the proper answer.
Being at the tender mercies of some California-bases, progressive employee of Twitter, Google or WordPress has some drawbacks….. As you well know.
Good luck! And if you wish to do more than a blog, I would recommend the SMF forum software. I’m willing to bet you’ll be quite comfortable working in PHP.
Automattic, the company that runs wordpress.com, is very anti-censorship. I do not believe that your site or its content would be blocked. (And they have also shown themselves willing to fight frivolous DMCA takedowns, in court.) If it were to happen, get in touch with me. I’ll call Matt Mullenweg myself, and get it straightened out.
All that said: for myriad other reasons, you’re better off self-hosting.
WordUnImpressed (or someone) has censored me several times not only here but at Jo Nova’s and E.M. Smith’s
I can not post a link to John Kehr’s Inconvenient Skeptic or to a Russian english language site sp*u*tn*ik (Had report of Snow storm in Japan)
I have gone nuts for the last three months. Many of my comments get booted into the ether and not into ‘moderation’ or into spam. I also get a heck of a lot of ‘Remote Server Connection Closed’.
No, I don’t think I am. WordPress does not censor. Is it only comments for which you have observed this behavior? Or actual blog content (i.e. blog posts)?
If only comments, it is quite possible that Akismet (the automated, holistic spam filter) has flagged you at some point, for some reason. (It’s happened to me, too – commenting on non-political/non-controversial topics.) Depending on site settings, Akismet-flagged comments may not ever be seen (auto-deleted).
Again: if you have evidence of actual site content being censored, contact me directly.
Chip the problem started when I had a link in a comment to the Russian sp*u*tn*ik site and John Kehr’s site. They were linked in the same comment.
Someone else just recently tried linking John Kehr’s site in a test comment here a few days ago and ran into the same boot into the ether.
This sounds like your “Akismet-flagged comments may not ever be seen (auto-deleted)” situation.
Given I rarely if ever use swear words and certainly did not in the original comment, one wonders why a comment on major snowstorms around the world got flagged and set as an automatic boot.
Knowing what (little) I do about spam-filtering algorithms, I suspect that you got flagged for posting a link to a Russian site. (Russian, along with TLDs, IP ranges, etc. from a few other countries) is interchangeable with spam and all sorts of internet-nasty.
Contact wordpress.com support. They may be able to help you (depending on the type of flag – again, I don’t know Akismet’s inner workings), or they may just say that it’ll clear up on its own.
I will note here that the reason I moved to WordPress from Blogger years ago was due to WordPress not censoring me!
I hope this never happens. As for comments vanishing: too many links in a comment often means spam so I warn readers regularly to break up their postings if they have links.
In general, my Russian links aren’t censored inside my stories but I didn’t know that this was happening in comments. The trick here is, people click on a link in comments and then get spammed is a real threat. I always check out my story links to insure they are clean.
As I said in the previous thread, I had a three sentence comment with no links get booted. Someone else tried the same comment without the get arounds and found the censored word was probably Tr ot s ky.
We are not talking threats or profanity just comments on politics.
I am truly interested in what words are censored since they seem to be the sort of words my own readers use periodically. I do NOT want these censored. Perhaps you can list them with * in key points. I would love to test this at my own site just for security reasons.
Tony, you will be at high risk to attack (DDoS etc) if you leave the protection associated with the wordpress infrastructure and security. Just a heads up.
The WordPress software itself is free and easily installed on your own server. That gives you the familiarity of the platform and it is entirely in your control. It’s written in PHP which makes it relatively straightforward to check it for secret functions. It uses the MySQL database on the back end but that also is free. So is the Linux operating system. All together it is called “LAMP” — Linux, Apache (webserver), MySQL, PHP.
You can roll your own from scratch but that’s a lot of work.
Looks like Tony is already rocking a self-hosted WP install at realclimatescience.org, using the Twenty Ten theme, just as he is here. Next step is simply to do an export/import of the site data from here to there.
Twitter and Facebook are private websites. We can disagree with how their owners run them, but as the owners, they have every right to run those websites as they see fit. Your rights are not violated if Twitter suspends your account, or if Facebook removes a status update or link that you post.
Discrimination is in the eyes of the person being discriminated. It is not discrimination to block certain opinions from Twitter, it’s perfectly legal.
As long as they don’t try blocking active feminists† of course.
† Feminism is just an example of a family of ideologies that Twitter could not possibly in its dreams to try to suppress.
Website owners controlling what content is published on their privately owned websites is not discrimination. Website owners also have freedom of speech, expression, and association.
Does Twitter suck for abusive suspensions of accounts that promote ideas with which Twitter does not agree? Absolutely. But they are not denying anyone’s rights in doing so, nor are they acting unlawfully.
No he doesn’t. Chip sounds like a patriot that understands that the rights laid out in the Constitution are meant apply to all law abiding citizens no matter if you like it or not. Twitter and Facebook and every other privately owned forum, including this one, have every right to control content and comments presented on THEIR forum as they see fit. Or do you think you or the government or you, or anyone else should be able to arbitrarily dictate who the 1st amendment applies to and when without due process? Just remember you have the right to speak but no private individual or organization is obligated under the law to listen nor to provide the soap box upon which you will stand to express your ideas.
At what point do Facebook and Twitter stop being just another private website and start being a public utility?
Steve got it right to juxtapose the FCC’s new net neutrality rules to “protect content” from the whims of private ISPs and Facebook/Twitter’s whims to censor perfectly reasonable content.
If Comcast or Verizon was selectively throttling or censoring Facebook or Twitter content, how would it be fundamentally different? Just another private company that consumers can choose not to use, right?
If Comcast or Verizon was selectively throttling or censoring Facebook or Twitter content, how would it be fundamentally different?
You seriously can’t tell the difference between a private owner choosing what content to allow on that privately owned website, and a service provider interfering with the transmission of data/content requested by the user?
One, “website” does not necessarily equate to “business”. Two, removing content of site users is in no way whatsoever equivalent to refusing service to black customers.
I use ‘nasty words’ sometimes at WordPress when discussing social economic forces. For example, writing about rap artists who use words like ‘nigger’. i am testing to see if this is censored.
emsnews,
Heightened scrutiny is reserved for discrimination based on specific criteria. Speech content is not one of those criteria. Consider private colleges.
Do you really think we have ‘free speech’ in either Europe or the US? No such thing!
Nor have we in the past! Violate the ‘unwritten rules’ and you will discover there is no free speech anywhere.
The issue here is, censoring people who are not violating ‘unwritten rules’ but who are simply winning an argument while not cussing or threatening the other party. Steven was banned for winning an argument with idiots.
Also, I would happily pay you to go to a private college and say ‘forbidden words’ and you know very well what these are (I discuss these words at my own blog, for example). There is tremendous censorship on college campuses. Singing songs with these ‘forbidden words’ gets frat houses shut down and students kicked off campus even if this is DONE IN PRIVATE!
WordPress is not social media. Twitter (and FB too) has a “report” function. If enough people get together and report you, the admins will remove you, justified or not apparently. If you install GreaseMonkey then WordPress has an idiot blocker function but that’s about it.
The flip side is that if you were bloody-minded enough you would recruit a cabal to report warmists tweeters, for example every time they used the D-word.
Be careful Tony. I remember the last time you moved from this site and your new one was hacked and taken over. Leaving WordPress–as much as I hate those censoring code monkeys–doesn’t necessarily lessen the threat.
If you change from WordPress to self-hosted, please make sure that your existing links will continue to work. Hundreds, is not thousands, of 3rd party articles have embedded your links for their readers. It would be a shame that those links go dead, thus readers never reaching your linked-to content.
My recollection is the last change that forced to move from your last site it created a situation that all your prior links became useless in other bloggers’ articles.
WordPress stuck by me through climategate II, Mann and Laden libel, and UEA legal threats. Ask them for a complete backup so you can self-host wordpress if you need to, but keep this site running too and mirror posts. I say that because cloud hosting is solid, whereas self hosting can suffer ddos attacks.
Good luck, and I hope you get your twitter account back.
I’m not using google search anymore. Bing is almost the same now or better. There is no AGW bias it appears (news ect). Vivaldi browser is also excellent.
Oh, and, can work as a backup. I like this wordpress domain, the other has no comments. While I think this is exactly what they want, your own, your rules, this is what privatier websites are about.
@ Mr Chips 🙂 I just posted a link to John Kehr’s site on this thread a while ago and that is the first comment of mine ever to have not shown here. Who programs the spam filter. ?
I appreciate you addressing the issues discussed here. I have a much better understanding of how WordPress works now.
And some of us can be cantankerous so never take stuff here personally. The arguments between people who agree on 90% of the AGW issues out there can get much more contentious with each other too.
Yes, I have two comments “in moderation” on the new site. They have been for a day now. Neither comment has any links or words that would trigger any spam filter.
It’s amazing how regressive progressives can be when it comes to free speech. They are quick to defend speech they agree with, but are openly hostile towards thoughts that run contrary to their topsy-turvy belief system.
“Twitter and Facebook are private websites. We can disagree with how their owners run them, but as the owners, they have every right to run those websites as they see fit….”
>>>>>>>>>>
How ever Twitter and Facebook are FOR PROFIT are they not?
…A florist rejected a settlement offer from Washington state Attorney General Bob Ferguson on Friday, days after a state judge ruled that her “relationship with Jesus” was not enough to justify her refusal to provide flower arrangements for the wedding of a same-sex couple.
The Wednesday ruling determined that the “religiously-motivated conduct” of Barronelle Stutzman, the Southern Baptist owner of Arlene’s flowers, was in “direct and insoluble conflict” with the state’s anti-discrimination and consumer protection laws….
Since Twitter and Facebook are BUSINESSES on the stock market no less, are they not covered by the SAME “anti-discrimination and consumer protection laws?”
As a PRIVATE citizen I may refuse to allow people who are blue to come onto my private property and see my farm. (I give free tours on occasion if people ask nicely since I am a sucker for kids.) As a business person I can not refuse to serve someone just because the person is blue.
I had thought slavery in this country had been abolished by the 13th amendment. Yet the baker and photographer and flower-arranger can be forced to labor against their religious convictions in a creative way for something they do not abide with. Free speech also means no forced speech. Yet these small private business owners are being denied their first amendment rights by being forced to use their skills for things they do NOT believe are right.
I hope the story is not yet over for these small business owners, and that they will be able to find a court that will uphold their rights and freedoms.
I don’t like it, but i think i agree with Chip here. Think about privacy laws. Government has to protect your privacy. A private can collect your data (usually voluntarily given up – “you want to buy a pack of gum, what is your phone number?”), then they own it and they can sell it. The right to privacy only applies to Government. Same thing here.
If they screw it up badly enough, the market will leave. Think AOL.
I began posting online on the internet way back when only people in the military/industrial complex and NASA had access to it (I did work for Texas Instruments and my dad was in NASA and I used the computers at work to chat with others online back then).
We discussed politics a lot even back then. I am referring to the 1970’s. We also talked about that s*x stuff with each other (ahem!).
We knew back then that the CIA watched everything but we defied them and then…well, look who is running NASA now. Urk.
good thing is you can run WP on your own server so migration should not be too hard.
added benefit is you can also use plugins wp doesn’t allow on their hosted (except the really expensive ones) versions.
no sure where most of your traffic comes from but if looking for a dedicated unmanaged server in US I have had good luck with datashack.net.
but you are on your own running it so theres a downside.
a suggestion, its been a bit since I dealt with a wp migration from hosted wp domain to self hosted on its own domain but I think you can keep the wp acct active and just use a redirect rule to point all incoming links and traffic to new domain.if so may save you a lot of hassle.
Propagandists Use Automated Software to Spread Disinformation:
Software developer Nigel Leck got tired rehashing the same 140-character arguments against climate change deniers, so he programmed a bot that does the work for him. With citations!
Leck’s bot, @AI_AGW, doesn’t just respond to arguments directed at Leck himself, it goes out and picks fights. Every five minutes it trawls Twitter for terms and phrases that commonly crop up in Tweets that refute human-caused climate change. It then searches its database of hundreds to find a counter-argument best suited for that tweet—usually a quick statement and a link to a scientific source.
As can be the case with these sorts of things, many of the deniers don’t know they’ve been targeted by a robot and engage AI_AGW in debate. The bot will continue to fire back canned responses that best fit the interlocutor’s line of debate—Leck says this goes on for days, in some cases—and the bot’s been outfitted with a number of responses on the topic of religion, where the arguments unsurprisingly often end up.
Actually this tells you the number of people who actually support Obummer and CAGW is pretty darn small if they have to resort to paid people writing computer code for bots.
Ot but I think airbus is doomed because they never realized that a computer can crash/fail. ie Flying a plane on computerized systems ONLY, joystick, wireless ect is asking for trouble. Id feel safer in a Douglas DC3 (manual only).I’m supposing Boeing 878 does have an “out” manual, if computer fails.
I know too much about computers and would rather not depend too much on them for my safety. I do like the idea of giving control to a human when the human insists.
The code for having flown the space-shuttle missions was perhaps the least bug-ridden code ever produced. It is also likely the most expensive per line of code as well. Those two kind of go together. Nowhere near that much effort or expense per line of code has been invested into the flight controls of the jets.
I think ‘machine-code’ level metrics/alerts, or lower, are important to have available for the human operatives of a complex system. I’d start with the oxygen sensors.
I’m considering just getting off the internet groups completely…..a friend of mine in Hungary posted this on one of our facebook groups last night….
“”Sorry for the off topic post but has not better idea where to ask for help.
Dear native USA or UK members help me to where to check Facebook rules regarding on where how and what can FB give out from my personal data to authorities, or where can I ask/claim at FB that what happened and why.
Backround:
Here on Hungary we are going back in time…going to have a dictatorship.
As I am (and all the small ppl) not gapoy with it, I have wrote some very chritacal comnents on our government and our prime minister Viktor Orban. (pls google the situ here the fackts on this mini Duce if you interested).
Last week I was contacted by police that informed me that I am procesuted (if it is the right word for it) becouse one of my facebook post speaking about politics…..and they started an official case on me as “anti goverment action” or what.
Today it was confirmed that it is not a joke…but a very serious thing, they take it hell seriously. (as here are more and more protest against the forming dictatorship …the pressure from special police is growing..they want to shut up all voices against)
It came out that they contacted Facebook, what has given out my IP so they could find out useing it my mobilephone…and my all personal data.
I was shocked why and how it is possible that Facebook is giving out my data on an antidemocratic political investigation and not even informing me about. I would expect (maybe I am an idiot) that FB is not giving out data….but uf giving out tgan would officialy inform be that thisandthis authority adked thisand this about that post/comment of yours and we gave them this and this.
My english is not enough to find onfo about this or find whom and how to contact at FB.
I need to know what they asked about, what they got…what is this court investigation on me about, what data they got…
I must know it as our politics going here to that direction like in Moscow…or NorthKorea…so if it is serious than maybe I must rehome my kid and wife and my 75old Mum and birds and myselft asap from Hungary….
So pls help.
Thx.””
It is now a fact: Hungary is no longer a democracy.
President János Áder has just signed the implementation decrees for new constitutional reforms that wipe out what was left of opposition forces against the government.
More particularly, the Constitutional Court is no longer allowed to give its opinion about the content of laws and to refer to its own case-law – which results in the loss of almost all monitoring power on the legislature and the executive.
This meticulous destruction of democracy and its values – whose starting point was the landslide election of Fidesz in 2010 – has taken place over months and months, under everybody’s eyes….
Sounds like scare tactics to me. Facebook does not give out private data that can be used to identify you specifically.
Having said that, you do need to make sure you don’t allow others to see what you don’t want them to. Many people don’t realise how far having something visible to “friends of friends” can reach, for example.
How do you claim to know what Facebook in Hungary does or does not do? We have seen before how large organizations will have different rules in other countries in order to comply with local laws. Doesn’t Facebook basically sell information on their members? Perhaps the Hungarian government only had to ‘buy’ the info.
In any case it is unwise to generalize what you might think you know about something in your own part of the world, to an entirely different country elsewhere.
“If you are a law enforcement agent who is authorized to gather evidence in connection with an official investigation, you may request records from Facebook through this system.”
“The National Security Agency and the FBI teamed up in October 2010 to develop techniques for turning Facebook into a surveillance tool.
Documents released alongside security journalist Glenn Greenwald’s new book, “No Place To Hide,” reveal the NSA and FBI partnership, in which the two agencies developed techniques for exploiting Facebook chats, capturing private photos, collecting IP addresses, and gathering private profile data.”
“The final piece of the three-part VESTS model involves monitoring the Internet Reformation and determining how the free market is colliding with global elite promotions – and assessing the viability of such promotions.
A good example of this would be global warming, a meme powerfully promoted … but one that has been exposed by the Internet itself via, for example, leaked emails that showed a conspiracy to falsify science in order to promote the theory of atmospheric warming trends caused by human activity.
The decision here is that the Internet itself is powerful enough to counteract whatever evidence can be mustered for the reality of climate change. Even if global warming does exist, there is ample evidence a good deal of opposition has been mustered against the concept. It is not a good investment opportunity, in many cases.
Seeing the damage being done to the global warming meme, the savvy investor might want to avoid alternative energy investments and various kinds of companies that seek to exploit this promotion.
This sort of analysis could – and should – be applied to other dominant social themes as well.”
When comparing forecast highs on Thursday with lows Saturday night, many locations will experience a 40-degree Fahrenheit temperature drop. In some cases the temperature change can be as much as 50 degrees colder.
The chill moving in over the interior South could bring a freeze to some locations from parts of the Carolinas to the northern part of Georgia, Alabama and Mississippi. http://vortex.accuweather.com/adc2004/pub/includes/columns/newsstory/2015/650x366_03251421_hd21.jpg
Can we still search the RS past database on the new site? It’s berry important we can search for past info and pictures. Thanks for all you do, don’t give up!
Would you please drop this post from the top of your page. It obscures everything below it and makes it look like the site hasn’t been updated in ages.
I would not worry about been booted out of twitter/wordpress or whatever. Interest in AGW is so low, that it doesn’t even matter if skeptics are not heard.
Steve, on the new website, I don’t see a place to subscribe. Are you able to transfer your existing subscriber list to that site? If not, shouldn’t you add a subscribe widget to it?
– Jeff
Yep. It was the first Palmetto flag that flew over Sumter after it was surrendered but the ignorant masses have no idea about that stuff and couldn’t tell you the difference between the last Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia and the last Confederate Naval ensign.
The Democractic Party should change its name as it is a symbol of hate, slavery and traitors who caused the Civil War. A bit of the history of the Democratic Party and the Civil War, http://www.pbs.org/wnet/jimcrow/stories_org_democratic.html
Jefferson Davis a Democrat Senator when he turned traitor in 1861
In the current study, to predict the solar activity, we explore
the PCs derived from the SBMF measured with the WSO in
cycles 21–23 by using the most advanced Eureqa approach
developed on Hamiltonian principles (Schmidt & Lipson 2009).
We show that the classic proxy for solar activity, averaged
sunspot numbers, is strongly modulated by variations in the
SBMF PCs, allowing us to use the SBMF PCs as new proxies
for the overall solar activity.
Furthermore, by using the Eureqa technique based on a
symbolic regression, we managed to uncover the underlying
mathematical laws governing the fundamental processes of
magnetic wave generation in the Sun’s background magnetic
field. These invariants are used to extract the key parameters of
the PCs of SBMF waves, which, in turn, are used to predict the
overall level of solar activity for solar cycles 24–26.
We can conclude with a sufficient degree of confidence
that the solar activity in cycles 24–26 will be systematically
decreasing because of the increasing phase shift between the
two magnetic waves of the poloidal field leading to their full
separation into opposite hemispheres in cycles 25 and 26. This
separation is expected to result in the lack of their subsequent
interaction in any of the hemispheres, possibly leading ta
decade or two, similar to those recorded in the medieval period.
Using the modulus summary curves derived from the principal
components of SBMF, we predict a noticeable decrease
of the average sunspot numbers in cycle 25 to ?80% of that in
cycle 24 and a decrease in cycle 26 to ?40% which are linked
to a reduction of the amplitudes and an increase of the phase
between the PCs of SBMF separating these waves into the opposite
hemispheres. We propose using the PCs derived from
SBMF as a new proxy for the solar activity which can be linked
more closely to dynamo model simulations.
Further investigation is required to establish more precise
links between the dynamo waves generated by both poloidal and
toroidal magnetic fields as simulated in the dynamo models and
the waves in the solar background (SBMF) and sunspot (SMF)
magnetic fields derived with the PC and symbolic regression
analysis presented in the current study which will be the scope
of a forthcoming paper.
The authors thank the WSO staff and directorate for providing
the synoptic maps of the solar background magnetic field for
usage by a general public. We also express our deep gratitude to
the respected referee for very constructive and useful comments
from which the paper has strongly benefited. http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Valentina_Zharkova/publication/266799418_PREDICTION_OF_SOLAR_ACTIVITY_FROM_SOLAR_BACKGROUND_MAGNETIC_FIELD_VARIATIONS_IN_CYCLES_21-23/links/559fbc8c08ae3dbcbe86d891.pdf?disableCoverPage=true
Just a quick check-in to remind you all real climate scientists (not the hacks and amateurs that post their paranoid gibberish here) post their work onto http://www.realclimate.org/
Those guys are the cream of the DENIERS of real science.
They have NOTHING except mal-adjusted non-data, and failed assumptions.
Nothing… nada … zip.
And they are going to look like even more GROSS FOOLS once the temperature starts to dip due to the quieter sun, and the divergence between THEIR models based on the THEIR erroneous assumptions gets bigger and BIGger and BIGGER !!!
Do you really want to be counted as one of those that actually fell for their fraud and misinformation? ………… really ???
And you have…what…to back up your denials? Nothing but poking holes in other’s research. That’s neither creative, nor clever, nor honest. If you were truly honest with yourself you would admit that you really don’t understand the science (probably science in general) and are just another knee-jerk, know nothing, afraid of everything John Bircher.
I haven’t been to realclimate.org in a while, but isn’t that the web site run by the good squad of science cranks William Connartist, Michael Piltdown Mann, etc., and when you go there to explain why everything they say is stupidly wrong they delete your post and send it into a “bore hole”??
I used to go there and read through the posts in the bore hole to learn the truth.
When you say real climate scientists, do you mean the people who get the government grants and publish in the government controlled climate journals? Yeah, they are the experts. And snake oil salesmen are the experts on snake oil, since they are the professionals, but it’s the rest of us who know they are frauds.
This is a scientific board. You must refer to the scientific literature or no one will bother with your posts. You have linked to several blog posts, including an unlabeled graph from a frisbie golf site (this one: http://www.hyzercreek.com/nasa2005.jpg). At the same time Tom has linked to a number of peer reviewed publications. Please bring your posts up to the standard used here or stop posting.
You will not convince anyone here with a frisbie golf graph with 2005 in the link. No one cares what your interpretation of the data is. Link to peer reviewed papers that support your view.”
FRISBEE GOLF SITE! What are you – 12?
“No one cares what your interpretation of the data is.” Nor any other denier fools on this site.
Has anyone on this site ever published anything on anything? Does anyone here have a PhD in the sciences?
In your past lives the contributors to these pages would have insisted that there were an ether, tinkered with alchemy, amateur phrenologists and perhaps have pursued other pointless endeavours. It’s nearly impossible to believe given the ridiculousness of the claims. 1910 newspaper clippings…LOL! This is what you call science?
To see whether any of you can think your way out of a wet paper bag I’d challenge anyone of you to solve this first order differential equation
dy/dx = x*(x+1)^2
I’m guessing a resounding, awkward silence will follow. Or some unhinged diatribe about overeducation.
Ok, I can’t spell, but you can’t do math, therefore, are incapable of commenting on climate science as, you should know, it involves modeling coupled non-linear differential equations , of which, you cannot solve the most elementary.
You can’t spell, and have only basic junior high maths.. as is obvious from you thinking that your little dy/dx Q was anything but junior and simplistic..
Here’s a quiz for you mister science genius. If a CO2 molecule absorbs a photon of 15 micron IR and then re-radiates it, and then it’s absorbed by another CO2 molecule and re-radiated, then absorbed again, then again, then again, a total of 102 times before the photon escapes to space, did the atmosphere absorb any energy from that photon?
When you can do 3 dimensional surface integrals, multivariable calculus, Laplace transforms, can tell me what divergence and curl are, know what Green’s theorem, and Stoke’s theorem are can do Runge-Kutter estimates for partial differentials, layout and program finite element sequences, understand the use of Fourier series , have studies fluid dynamics know what the generalised Bernoulli and Naviar-Stokes theorems are all about , and know what things like combinatorial topology, real analysis, etc etc are..
then get back to us… you know.. like in 15 years !!!
and please……. do not expect me to do your homework for you !!
No, the absorption and reabsorption does not result in a net deposition of energy in the atmosphere itself. But it’s not the atmosphere that’s heating up, it’s the Earth’s surface. As Lord Kelvin instructed us in 1860 or so, this C02 layer does act as an insulator (like an extra blanket in winter) that reduces the photon flux into space (assuming the sun’s luminosity is unchanging, which is true over short time scales) and, since flux is conserved, increases that redirected toward the Earth’s surface (as does a blanket). This warms the surface of the Earth well beyond that in absence of an atmosphere. It follows, in an utterly straightforward fashion, that a thicker blanket (increased CO2 levels) will lead to an increase in the Earth’s surface temperature).
This material is, as was pointed out by your pals at skeptical science, completely elementary. It is shocking to imagine that you (and others that frequent this site) cannot follow this most basic element of thermodynamics.
“But it’s not the atmosphere that’s heating up, it’s the Earth’s surface. ”
Thank you for proving that global warming theory is bunk since Climate models and thermodynmaic calculus predicted that the upper troposphere in the tropics should experience warming. it has been claimed all along and still is claimed in the theory today that warming will first appear in the UPPER troposphere with a corresponding cooling in the lower stratosphere.
What is really confusing about all that is that at the same time they claimed that severe storms such as hurricanes would increase in incidence and intensity (some others claimed a lowering of incidence but increase in severity)
Either way a thermocline between the upper troposphere and lower stratosphere will generally result in increased wind sheer and such sheer inhibits or even prevents the development of a tropical depression into a storm and weakens developed storms.
The get off that computer and dump it at the nearest recycling site hypocrite. Most of the plastics in it came from petroleum fool! If your going to talk the talk then start with YOU walking the walk so besides the computer you need to quit buying or using most of the types of plastics plus many fibers and plenty of other stuff:
Here’s a partial list of things you need to avoid for your “carbon free future” turkey.
I find it difficult to improve on the minds and wisdom of Kelvin and Arrhenius, who laid the foundation for our understanding of blackbodies and radiative forcing. A blanket is an excellent analogy, to first order, (I’ll explain what this means in another post) and further I have to keep it in simple terms because a) it’s really almost that simple and, b) you guys aren’t physicists and likely would get lost in any deeper discussion of radiative transport. The problems with the minds of most deniers is that the opt for complex, rather than simpler and more elegant explanations for a phenomena. You guys never apparently heard of Occam’s Razor. To deny the analogy that adding more CO2 to the atmosphere is not akin to a thicker blanket on a bed is just admitting a fundamental lack of understanding of basic physics, no matter how involved and how intricate the actual transport phenomena may be. And to think that at 400 ppm there are no longer any additional infrared photons to be absorbed is so funny that I might burst out crying.
And adding a tiny amount of trace CO2 does not make your imaginary blanket thicker, it actually makes it very slightly thinner, because it gives a very small, immeasurable reduction in the specific heat of the atmosphere. That is the basic physics.
But you don’t understand basic physics, do you.
Maybe you should go back to SkS and become even more ignorant.
Its what they excel at, dumbing people like you down even further.
1. A blanket is an insulator that transports heat via conduction through a solid, and blocks all radiation. This makes it unlike the atmosphere.
2. Phenomena is plural, phenomenon is singular. You did it twice so it wasn’t a typo.
3. Everybody knows that 400 ppm is enough to make the atmosphere completely opaque to 15 micron IR (which is the only wavelength that CO2 blocks). Nobody argues this point, all sides agree. The only idiot who doesn’t know this is you.
4. People who talk about Occam’s razor are always blubbering fools. These are the same idiots who talk about Schrodinger’s cat, the only thing they remember from the “Physics for non-science students” class they took on a pass/fail basis but failed.
5. Adding CO2 to the atmosphere is not akin to making a thicker blanket on a bed, it’s akin to adding a 101st blanket to a bed that has 100 blankets on it.
And I hope Obama’s announcement today more quickly hastens a one world government empowered to bring the world to zero CO2 emissions from fossil fuel burning. And by the way Andy (you’re an Aussie, right – perhaps that explains the inferiority complex) when a person dies they do not become carbon free. Instead, the ratio of C12/C14 changes as C14 (from atmospheric testing) decays away. But, alas, radioactivity probably isn’t your thing, either.
I know I tapped into the inner psyche of the deniers – their irrational fear of one ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT. I typed it in caps just to provided an illusion of some haunting music. Isn’t your imagination more fertile than to cower at this chesnut? Or does Chma keep you tossing and turning all night? Big bad China – does it have wolf’s teeth in your dreams.
Essentially an international agreement regulation CO2 will lead to a quasi international government, and if winds up keeping the planet from burning up more power to it. Love to see fearful cowards squirm.
And remember.. to manufacture all the unreliable wind and solar crap, you will need plenty of coal, and oil. The third world countries will decide its time to develop, and the use of coal, oil and gas will continue to climb.
Already happening.. Indonesia has just overtaken Australia to be in 3rd place in world coal exports, and they have huge deposits.
Fossil fuels will thankfully be around for a long, long time, way after this moronic anti-CO2 agenda is gone and is an embarrassing footnote in history.
Not really a fetish for Aussies, per se, but a deep appreciation for irrelevant colonies. The chapter on fossil fuels, is closing, and today was just another nail in their coffins. It’s kinda shame you’re not a US citizen so your comments would actually carry some weight but, alas, just another forgotten outcast exiled from the English prison system. Guess reactionaries are universal.
I’ve derived all the pleasure that I can from the ranks of the shunned underemployed. Back to doing real science. So, so long chumps – history is clearly not on your side side, nor is intelligence. But, as someone famously wrote, the deniers will be the first to reach for their guns when climate refugees stream to “developed” countries.
Yes, you obviously have a deep-seated inferiority complex / neurosis when it comes to Aussies. I understand completely why you would.
When you grow up and get more than a very basic education, you may get over it.
Climate refugees???? .. weren’t there meant to be half a million by now ???
The coal industry is growing. Demand was up last year despite the slowdown in China, and globally almost 30 per cent higher than a decade ago. Coal will soon (perhaps as soon as next year) overtake oil as the world’s most substantial single source of energy, regaining some of the market share it has lost to oil and gas over the last half century.
The first era of coal began with the industrial revolution and extended through the 19th century, thanks to the development of railways and shipping across the world. The second era has its origins in the economic transformation of China which began in the last two decades of the last century, followed now by that of India.
The next 50 years are likely to see more coal burnt than in the whole of the 20th century
Oh, and while your at it quit eating and breathing since after all your emitting CO2 and eating carbon based life forms. Come to think of it your a carbon based life form so your only alternative is to NOT HAVE A FUTURE! Get with it hypocrite and go completely carbon free right now!
“No, the absorption and reabsorption does not result in a net deposition of energy in the atmosphere itself. But it’s not the atmosphere that’s heating up, it’s the Earth’s surface. As Lord Kelvin instructed us in 1860 or so, this C02 layer does act as an insulator (like an extra blanket in winter) that reduces the photon flux into space (assuming the sun’s luminosity is unchanging, which is true over short time scales) and, since flux is conserved, increases that redirected toward the Earth’s surface (as does a blanket). This warms the surface of the Earth well beyond that in absence of an atmosphere. It follows, in an utterly straightforward fashion, that a thicker blanket (increased CO2 levels) will lead to an increase in the Earth’s surface temperature).”
You are wrong. The answer to my quiz is this. If the photon is absorbed and re-radiated, it does not warm anything, but that’s not how it works. The photon is not absorbed and re-radiated, it is absorbed and turned into kinetic heat which is absorbed by the N2 and O2 (and other) molecules, which warms the air and the surface (you can’t warm one without the other, idiot). The problem is, there is a finite number of photons coming off Earth’s surface, and when there is enough CO2 to absorb all of them, adding more CO2 does nothing to absorb more of them. As it turns out, the mean-free-path length of a photon at sea level relative to CO2 is around 30 meters but if you account for the absorption by water vapor, it’s only a few meters, so all of the 15-micron photons are absorbed by the lowest few meters of the atmosphere. This is called the elevation of extinction. Adding more CO2 only lowers the elevation of extinction, which does nothing to warm the atmosphere.
I do not belive wordpress will block you
We have already proved that wordpress does employ censoring of certain words. It is only prudent to self-host.
I was about to warn Steve that another site said they had to make sure all posts and comments were backed up because selected posts were wiped.
I have seen self hosting sites taken down , before 2012 election.
Absolutely it is safer to use wordpress. Please stay here.
Ironically, Tony Heller blocks me from his Twitter feed.
Fascist Nazi!
Tony didn’t block you because of censorship, more likely because you are full of shit. You’re one of the biggest BS artists in the Cause-a Nostra. You told me you have a PhD in physics. I think you have a GED.
cause a nostra , i like that morgan . may i borrow the phrase on occasion 🙂
And in just two lines David A proves why Tony blocked him.
Insulting the host generally gets you a boot out the door. Inane repetitive trolling at which David excels will also get you booted.
a Fascist Nazi is a freak who believes government must control the thoughts of people. It is a form of socialism where all must think the same. If twitter does this than they fit the mold. But if an individual does it , that is discretion.
Some people , ie you, are just a waste of space.
Space on a blog is worth time… you are NOT !
You are actually an ignorant, child-minded, non-entity.
Get over yourself, you are NOT important, you brainless rancid, twerp.
So you don’t like him then?
David Appell: Everytime you post, I piss my self laughing. You are a gem…like I have told you many times, you should be a stand-up comic. I have never read a sane comment that you have ever posted. You fit the bill for the quote: “This guy has shit for brains!”
The climate Nazi’s strike again. Let the readers know if there is anything we can do. I would be happy to create an account such as SteveFGoddard at anytime and forward your posts under that name. I believe we will all know what the ‘F’ stands for, good luck!
I hope you have SAVED everything to transfer to other server. Good luck
I had to register, just two days ago, in order to post here and Watts Up With That.
register where Tommy?
With WordPress, log in.
Given that you have exactly as much control over WordPress as you have over Twitter or Google, self-hosting is indeed the proper answer.
Being at the tender mercies of some California-bases, progressive employee of Twitter, Google or WordPress has some drawbacks….. As you well know.
Good luck! And if you wish to do more than a blog, I would recommend the SMF forum software. I’m willing to bet you’ll be quite comfortable working in PHP.
I like the format here. I hope you can keep it nearly the same.
Added editing please when you get the chance. (Not expected for at least a year or so.)
You might talk to Jo Nova since she also has her own (I think)
Or ask me. I’m a WordPress developer. Happy to help.
She got it because I got a friend,who is a computer expert, to add the stuff that made posting comments so much easier.
Automattic, the company that runs wordpress.com, is very anti-censorship. I do not believe that your site or its content would be blocked. (And they have also shown themselves willing to fight frivolous DMCA takedowns, in court.) If it were to happen, get in touch with me. I’ll call Matt Mullenweg myself, and get it straightened out.
All that said: for myriad other reasons, you’re better off self-hosting.
Chip you are VERY VERY WRONG.
WordUnImpressed (or someone) has censored me several times not only here but at Jo Nova’s and E.M. Smith’s
I can not post a link to John Kehr’s Inconvenient Skeptic or to a Russian english language site sp*u*tn*ik (Had report of Snow storm in Japan)
I have gone nuts for the last three months. Many of my comments get booted into the ether and not into ‘moderation’ or into spam. I also get a heck of a lot of ‘Remote Server Connection Closed’.
No, I don’t think I am. WordPress does not censor. Is it only comments for which you have observed this behavior? Or actual blog content (i.e. blog posts)?
If only comments, it is quite possible that Akismet (the automated, holistic spam filter) has flagged you at some point, for some reason. (It’s happened to me, too – commenting on non-political/non-controversial topics.) Depending on site settings, Akismet-flagged comments may not ever be seen (auto-deleted).
Again: if you have evidence of actual site content being censored, contact me directly.
Chip the problem started when I had a link in a comment to the Russian sp*u*tn*ik site and John Kehr’s site. They were linked in the same comment.
Someone else just recently tried linking John Kehr’s site in a test comment here a few days ago and ran into the same boot into the ether.
This sounds like your “Akismet-flagged comments may not ever be seen (auto-deleted)” situation.
Given I rarely if ever use swear words and certainly did not in the original comment, one wonders why a comment on major snowstorms around the world got flagged and set as an automatic boot.
Knowing what (little) I do about spam-filtering algorithms, I suspect that you got flagged for posting a link to a Russian site. (Russian, along with TLDs, IP ranges, etc. from a few other countries) is interchangeable with spam and all sorts of internet-nasty.
Contact wordpress.com support. They may be able to help you (depending on the type of flag – again, I don’t know Akismet’s inner workings), or they may just say that it’ll clear up on its own.
I will note here that the reason I moved to WordPress from Blogger years ago was due to WordPress not censoring me!
I hope this never happens. As for comments vanishing: too many links in a comment often means spam so I warn readers regularly to break up their postings if they have links.
In general, my Russian links aren’t censored inside my stories but I didn’t know that this was happening in comments. The trick here is, people click on a link in comments and then get spammed is a real threat. I always check out my story links to insure they are clean.
As I said in the previous thread, I had a three sentence comment with no links get booted. Someone else tried the same comment without the get arounds and found the censored word was probably Tr ot s ky.
We are not talking threats or profanity just comments on politics.
I tried the forbidden word spelled correctly in a three word comment and it got booted.
Interesting. I will try this
sputnik news
I am truly interested in what words are censored since they seem to be the sort of words my own readers use periodically. I do NOT want these censored. Perhaps you can list them with * in key points. I would love to test this at my own site just for security reasons.
what is the name of your wordpress site?
Hillary has a recently scrubbed, slightly used server for sale.
Heh.
Haha that’s funny
Are you saying Hillary is a scrubber?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=scrubber
I am still in moderation here.
Steve sometimes takes a while to fish the comments out of moderation since he is doing this alone and working a job. I do not know how he manages.
Yes, he got burned by someone before,so he now does the whole thing himself.
I could help him as I have for two others, but he doesn’t know me well enough to even consider me at all.
So we just roll with it.
Tony, you will be at high risk to attack (DDoS etc) if you leave the protection associated with the wordpress infrastructure and security. Just a heads up.
The WordPress software itself is free and easily installed on your own server. That gives you the familiarity of the platform and it is entirely in your control. It’s written in PHP which makes it relatively straightforward to check it for secret functions. It uses the MySQL database on the back end but that also is free. So is the Linux operating system. All together it is called “LAMP” — Linux, Apache (webserver), MySQL, PHP.
You can roll your own from scratch but that’s a lot of work.
Looks like Tony is already rocking a self-hosted WP install at realclimatescience.org, using the Twenty Ten theme, just as he is here. Next step is simply to do an export/import of the site data from here to there.
Pretty disgraceful behaviour by the tw@s @ Twitter. Typical Lefty authoritarianism. So much for freedom of speech.
I’m confused why people believe that the constitutional protection of freedom of speech applies to private websites, such as Twitter and Facebook.
Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Chip. http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/
Twitter and Facebook are private websites. We can disagree with how their owners run them, but as the owners, they have every right to run those websites as they see fit. Your rights are not violated if Twitter suspends your account, or if Facebook removes a status update or link that you post.
So why is this discrimination and oppression left up on Twitter if that is the case?
https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/578650084688150528
What part of private website is not making sense?
The part about being above the law. Discrimination is not a privilege owned by any private websites.
Discrimination is in the eyes of the person being discriminated. It is not discrimination to block certain opinions from Twitter, it’s perfectly legal.
As long as they don’t try blocking active feminists† of course.
† Feminism is just an example of a family of ideologies that Twitter could not possibly in its dreams to try to suppress.
Website owners controlling what content is published on their privately owned websites is not discrimination. Website owners also have freedom of speech, expression, and association.
Does Twitter suck for abusive suspensions of accounts that promote ideas with which Twitter does not agree? Absolutely. But they are not denying anyone’s rights in doing so, nor are they acting unlawfully.
wow you sound like a socialist
No he doesn’t. Chip sounds like a patriot that understands that the rights laid out in the Constitution are meant apply to all law abiding citizens no matter if you like it or not. Twitter and Facebook and every other privately owned forum, including this one, have every right to control content and comments presented on THEIR forum as they see fit. Or do you think you or the government or you, or anyone else should be able to arbitrarily dictate who the 1st amendment applies to and when without due process? Just remember you have the right to speak but no private individual or organization is obligated under the law to listen nor to provide the soap box upon which you will stand to express your ideas.
At what point do Facebook and Twitter stop being just another private website and start being a public utility?
Steve got it right to juxtapose the FCC’s new net neutrality rules to “protect content” from the whims of private ISPs and Facebook/Twitter’s whims to censor perfectly reasonable content.
If Comcast or Verizon was selectively throttling or censoring Facebook or Twitter content, how would it be fundamentally different? Just another private company that consumers can choose not to use, right?
Never. That’s how private property rights work.
(That’s not to say that some judge wouldn’t legislate something contrary from the bench.)
You seriously can’t tell the difference between a private owner choosing what content to allow on that privately owned website, and a service provider interfering with the transmission of data/content requested by the user?
If a PRIVATE BUSINESS kicks out all black customers because they don’t like them guess what?
YOU ARE SUED FOR DISCRIMINATION. Just one of a zillion examples of how ‘private’ businesses are.
One, “website” does not necessarily equate to “business”. Two, removing content of site users is in no way whatsoever equivalent to refusing service to black customers.
Whoa, it is something OLDER: censorship.
I use ‘nasty words’ sometimes at WordPress when discussing social economic forces. For example, writing about rap artists who use words like ‘nigger’. i am testing to see if this is censored.
By the way, I pay for my WordPress site in cash, I don’t do the ‘free’ stuff.
I hope that WordPress stays clear of the urge to control things via censorship of hard hitting news analysis.
Just don’t try to bake them a wedding cake or refuse to take a few pictures. Seems to be certain rules for some happy boys and girls.
Correct. If a wedding cake business turns down gays, they are punished heavily and attacked by the media and yes, sued in court.
emsnews,
Heightened scrutiny is reserved for discrimination based on specific criteria. Speech content is not one of those criteria. Consider private colleges.
What????
Do you really think we have ‘free speech’ in either Europe or the US? No such thing!
Nor have we in the past! Violate the ‘unwritten rules’ and you will discover there is no free speech anywhere.
The issue here is, censoring people who are not violating ‘unwritten rules’ but who are simply winning an argument while not cussing or threatening the other party. Steven was banned for winning an argument with idiots.
Also, I would happily pay you to go to a private college and say ‘forbidden words’ and you know very well what these are (I discuss these words at my own blog, for example). There is tremendous censorship on college campuses. Singing songs with these ‘forbidden words’ gets frat houses shut down and students kicked off campus even if this is DONE IN PRIVATE!
Thanks for verifying that Twatter and Faceplant are driven by the AGENDA of the owners.
Therefore, they are NOT an open place for comment, like many believe.
Therefore, they are a PROPAGANDA tool.
I think we had all noticed that.. thanks for the CONFORMation.
WordPress is not social media. Twitter (and FB too) has a “report” function. If enough people get together and report you, the admins will remove you, justified or not apparently. If you install GreaseMonkey then WordPress has an idiot blocker function but that’s about it.
The flip side is that if you were bloody-minded enough you would recruit a cabal to report warmists tweeters, for example every time they used the D-word.
Odd that those who claim to value freedom of speech and democracy, would shut you down over a handful of idiotic complaints.
Let’s see how behaves atypically magnetic field of the sun in this cycle.
http://www.solen.info/solar/polarfields/polarfields.jpg
The sun will reveal the truth about the climate.
http://www.solen.info/solar/images/AR_CH_20150322.jpg
Be careful Tony. I remember the last time you moved from this site and your new one was hacked and taken over. Leaving WordPress–as much as I hate those censoring code monkeys–doesn’t necessarily lessen the threat.
If you change from WordPress to self-hosted, please make sure that your existing links will continue to work. Hundreds, is not thousands, of 3rd party articles have embedded your links for their readers. It would be a shame that those links go dead, thus readers never reaching your linked-to content.
My recollection is the last change that forced to move from your last site it created a situation that all your prior links became useless in other bloggers’ articles.
Keep both me thinks
WordPress stuck by me through climategate II, Mann and Laden libel, and UEA legal threats. Ask them for a complete backup so you can self-host wordpress if you need to, but keep this site running too and mirror posts. I say that because cloud hosting is solid, whereas self hosting can suffer ddos attacks.
Good luck, and I hope you get your twitter account back.
I’m not using google search anymore. Bing is almost the same now or better. There is no AGW bias it appears (news ect). Vivaldi browser is also excellent.
Me too.
Your already headlining the news hahah http://dailycaller.com/2015/03/23/noted-global-warming-skeptic-gets-his-twitter-account-suspended/
My advice is everybody do not use twitter very simple or google
At least don’t delete this one, full of precious comments.
Oh, and, can work as a backup. I like this wordpress domain, the other has no comments. While I think this is exactly what they want, your own, your rules, this is what privatier websites are about.
@ Mr Chips 🙂 I just posted a link to John Kehr’s site on this thread a while ago and that is the first comment of mine ever to have not shown here. Who programs the spam filter. ?
I’ll post a test comment, with a link to a post on his site. Let’s see…
I just tried to post a comment, and it vanished. It doesn’t show up as moderated. Maybe Tony can check to see if it shows up as deleted?
Same here. into the eather !!
Tony’s new site can handle links to ….
the inconvenient skeptic dot com/2014/01/the-problem-with-short-term-analysis/
just fine
I’m guessing that he’s not running Akismet.
Sophie – the same happened to me, I tried posting a link from Kehr’s site on another thread on this website and my entire comment didn’t appear
Akismet is owned by Word Press?
Akismet is owned by Automattic, the same company that runs the wordpress.com hosted-site service, which uses the open-source software WordPress.
Chip.
I appreciate you addressing the issues discussed here. I have a much better understanding of how WordPress works now.
And some of us can be cantankerous so never take stuff here personally. The arguments between people who agree on 90% of the AGW issues out there can get much more contentious with each other too.
Tony, keep this site running until comments work at the new site.
Yes, I have two comments “in moderation” on the new site. They have been for a day now. Neither comment has any links or words that would trigger any spam filter.
Keep up the good work Tony!
reading your thoughts up above.. why do you think you have the right to control others thoughts?
Talk to Hillary, she may have a Server for sale, cheap.
It’s amazing how regressive progressives can be when it comes to free speech. They are quick to defend speech they agree with, but are openly hostile towards thoughts that run contrary to their topsy-turvy belief system.
Chip Bennett says:
“Twitter and Facebook are private websites. We can disagree with how their owners run them, but as the owners, they have every right to run those websites as they see fit….”
>>>>>>>>>>
How ever Twitter and Facebook are FOR PROFIT are they not?
Facebook: http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/fb
Twitter: http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/twtr
And wasn’t another BUSINESSMAN, a Baker forced to make gay wedding cakes, undergo sensitivity training, after losing lawsuit and wasn’t a florist also nailed? Washington florist rejects settlement offer after court rules she can’t refuse service to gay weddings — even though she had a religious objection?
Since Twitter and Facebook are BUSINESSES on the stock market no less, are they not covered by the SAME “anti-discrimination and consumer protection laws?”
As a PRIVATE citizen I may refuse to allow people who are blue to come onto my private property and see my farm. (I give free tours on occasion if people ask nicely since I am a sucker for kids.) As a business person I can not refuse to serve someone just because the person is blue.
I had thought slavery in this country had been abolished by the 13th amendment. Yet the baker and photographer and flower-arranger can be forced to labor against their religious convictions in a creative way for something they do not abide with. Free speech also means no forced speech. Yet these small private business owners are being denied their first amendment rights by being forced to use their skills for things they do NOT believe are right.
I hope the story is not yet over for these small business owners, and that they will be able to find a court that will uphold their rights and freedoms.
But you see, with sites like Facebook and Twitter, you’re not the consumer, you (more precisely, your data) are the goods.
I.e.= slaves.
Now you’re starting to get the picture. Facebook and Twitter users are merely the batteries in the Matrix.
I don’t like it, but i think i agree with Chip here. Think about privacy laws. Government has to protect your privacy. A private can collect your data (usually voluntarily given up – “you want to buy a pack of gum, what is your phone number?”), then they own it and they can sell it. The right to privacy only applies to Government. Same thing here.
If they screw it up badly enough, the market will leave. Think AOL.
Heck, think MySpace.
I began posting online on the internet way back when only people in the military/industrial complex and NASA had access to it (I did work for Texas Instruments and my dad was in NASA and I used the computers at work to chat with others online back then).
We discussed politics a lot even back then. I am referring to the 1970’s. We also talked about that s*x stuff with each other (ahem!).
We knew back then that the CIA watched everything but we defied them and then…well, look who is running NASA now. Urk.
I wish I were amazed you were banned from Twitter. But sadly the pattern of censoring certain “climate thought-crimes” is all to familiar to me.
Tony/Steve what you are doing is really important. We can’t let the truth be stifled in this manner.
good thing is you can run WP on your own server so migration should not be too hard.
added benefit is you can also use plugins wp doesn’t allow on their hosted (except the really expensive ones) versions.
no sure where most of your traffic comes from but if looking for a dedicated unmanaged server in US I have had good luck with datashack.net.
but you are on your own running it so theres a downside.
I say, Steven, if you keep this site running and use the new one as BACK UP in case of censorship in the future, this would work. I do this.
This way you don’t have to be ‘dislocated’ by people who click on links to your stories only to discover you are not here anymore.
a suggestion, its been a bit since I dealt with a wp migration from hosted wp domain to self hosted on its own domain but I think you can keep the wp acct active and just use a redirect rule to point all incoming links and traffic to new domain.if so may save you a lot of hassle.
Okay, on what grounds do these goose-steppers base their stifling free speech?
simple workaround…….tell them you are a 1/2 black native american transsexual transvestite
They wouldn’t dare boot you then
Wherever you have to go, Steve, we will be following you.
We’re fighting freaking Bots:
Propagandists Use Automated Software to Spread Disinformation:
Software developer Nigel Leck got tired rehashing the same 140-character arguments against climate change deniers, so he programmed a bot that does the work for him. With citations!
Leck’s bot, @AI_AGW, doesn’t just respond to arguments directed at Leck himself, it goes out and picks fights. Every five minutes it trawls Twitter for terms and phrases that commonly crop up in Tweets that refute human-caused climate change. It then searches its database of hundreds to find a counter-argument best suited for that tweet—usually a quick statement and a link to a scientific source.
As can be the case with these sorts of things, many of the deniers don’t know they’ve been targeted by a robot and engage AI_AGW in debate. The bot will continue to fire back canned responses that best fit the interlocutor’s line of debate—Leck says this goes on for days, in some cases—and the bot’s been outfitted with a number of responses on the topic of religion, where the arguments unsurprisingly often end up.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-23/propagandists-use-automated-software-spread-disinformation
You’re fighting the Borg all right, time to fight back in he same manner.
I am being told that page is not available.
I was able to link by going to zero hedge then clicking on the authors name and then clicking on the article listed under his name.
(I am getting “Connection closed by Remote Server” every time I try to post.)
A self destructing bot!!! 🙂 When it loses the argument, it dies!!!
Actually this tells you the number of people who actually support Obummer and CAGW is pretty darn small if they have to resort to paid people writing computer code for bots.
Gator it is there but google and Bing do not link to it.
http://www.zerohedge.com/
So much for no censorship….
Of course the article stinks from here to eternity. If the Warmists lack real arguments, so do their Bots. Automated Garbage In Garbage Out: AGIGO
Hell, it’s all garbage.
The program is called ‘Lola the Botomy’.
Ot but I think airbus is doomed because they never realized that a computer can crash/fail. ie Flying a plane on computerized systems ONLY, joystick, wireless ect is asking for trouble. Id feel safer in a Douglas DC3 (manual only).I’m supposing Boeing 878 does have an “out” manual, if computer fails.
I know too much about computers and would rather not depend too much on them for my safety. I do like the idea of giving control to a human when the human insists.
http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2013/12/more-on-the-difference-between-airbus-and-boeing-control-systems.html
The code for having flown the space-shuttle missions was perhaps the least bug-ridden code ever produced. It is also likely the most expensive per line of code as well. Those two kind of go together. Nowhere near that much effort or expense per line of code has been invested into the flight controls of the jets.
That is why I am sticking with older cars. The less computer the better.
I think ‘machine-code’ level metrics/alerts, or lower, are important to have available for the human operatives of a complex system. I’d start with the oxygen sensors.
I’m considering just getting off the internet groups completely…..a friend of mine in Hungary posted this on one of our facebook groups last night….
“”Sorry for the off topic post but has not better idea where to ask for help.
Dear native USA or UK members help me to where to check Facebook rules regarding on where how and what can FB give out from my personal data to authorities, or where can I ask/claim at FB that what happened and why.
Backround:
Here on Hungary we are going back in time…going to have a dictatorship.
As I am (and all the small ppl) not gapoy with it, I have wrote some very chritacal comnents on our government and our prime minister Viktor Orban. (pls google the situ here the fackts on this mini Duce if you interested).
Last week I was contacted by police that informed me that I am procesuted (if it is the right word for it) becouse one of my facebook post speaking about politics…..and they started an official case on me as “anti goverment action” or what.
Today it was confirmed that it is not a joke…but a very serious thing, they take it hell seriously. (as here are more and more protest against the forming dictatorship …the pressure from special police is growing..they want to shut up all voices against)
It came out that they contacted Facebook, what has given out my IP so they could find out useing it my mobilephone…and my all personal data.
I was shocked why and how it is possible that Facebook is giving out my data on an antidemocratic political investigation and not even informing me about. I would expect (maybe I am an idiot) that FB is not giving out data….but uf giving out tgan would officialy inform be that thisandthis authority adked thisand this about that post/comment of yours and we gave them this and this.
My english is not enough to find onfo about this or find whom and how to contact at FB.
I need to know what they asked about, what they got…what is this court investigation on me about, what data they got…
I must know it as our politics going here to that direction like in Moscow…or NorthKorea…so if it is serious than maybe I must rehome my kid and wife and my 75old Mum and birds and myselft asap from Hungary….
So pls help.
Thx.””
Soundly he should RUN not walk away from Hungary.
http://www.newstatesman.com/austerity-and-its-discontents/2013/04/hungary-no-longer-democracy
Sounds like scare tactics to me. Facebook does not give out private data that can be used to identify you specifically.
Having said that, you do need to make sure you don’t allow others to see what you don’t want them to. Many people don’t realise how far having something visible to “friends of friends” can reach, for example.
How do you claim to know what Facebook in Hungary does or does not do? We have seen before how large organizations will have different rules in other countries in order to comply with local laws. Doesn’t Facebook basically sell information on their members? Perhaps the Hungarian government only had to ‘buy’ the info.
In any case it is unwise to generalize what you might think you know about something in your own part of the world, to an entirely different country elsewhere.
“If you are a law enforcement agent who is authorized to gather evidence in connection with an official investigation, you may request records from Facebook through this system.”
https://www.facebook.com/records/x/login/
https://www.facebook.com/safety/groups/law/guidelines/
Your Hungarian friend was a little naive, unfortunately.
The US security services are hacking Facebook–an American company! Is it plausible that foreigners are not?
http://venturebeat.com/2014/05/15/how-the-nsa-fbi-made-facebook-the-perfect-mass-surveillance-tool/
“The National Security Agency and the FBI teamed up in October 2010 to develop techniques for turning Facebook into a surveillance tool.
Documents released alongside security journalist Glenn Greenwald’s new book, “No Place To Hide,” reveal the NSA and FBI partnership, in which the two agencies developed techniques for exploiting Facebook chats, capturing private photos, collecting IP addresses, and gathering private profile data.”
Turned the polar vortex over North America.
https://i2.wp.com/oi62.tinypic.com/2dtylnl.jpg
This is very bad news for Canada.
http://oi57.tinypic.com/9vdp9c.jpg
How about a post over on the “other” page about how you’re NOT moving. Spent the last day or so hitting the reload button wondering why nothing new…
Alternative investors are a couple steps ahead of us in seeing the end of the scam:
http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/28547/
“The final piece of the three-part VESTS model involves monitoring the Internet Reformation and determining how the free market is colliding with global elite promotions – and assessing the viability of such promotions.
A good example of this would be global warming, a meme powerfully promoted … but one that has been exposed by the Internet itself via, for example, leaked emails that showed a conspiracy to falsify science in order to promote the theory of atmospheric warming trends caused by human activity.
The decision here is that the Internet itself is powerful enough to counteract whatever evidence can be mustered for the reality of climate change. Even if global warming does exist, there is ample evidence a good deal of opposition has been mustered against the concept. It is not a good investment opportunity, in many cases.
Seeing the damage being done to the global warming meme, the savvy investor might want to avoid alternative energy investments and various kinds of companies that seek to exploit this promotion.
This sort of analysis could – and should – be applied to other dominant social themes as well.”
When comparing forecast highs on Thursday with lows Saturday night, many locations will experience a 40-degree Fahrenheit temperature drop. In some cases the temperature change can be as much as 50 degrees colder.
The chill moving in over the interior South could bring a freeze to some locations from parts of the Carolinas to the northern part of Georgia, Alabama and Mississippi.
http://vortex.accuweather.com/adc2004/pub/includes/columns/newsstory/2015/650x366_03251421_hd21.jpg
Frigid February Saps Spending as U.S. Consumers Nestle at Home
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-30/consumer-spending-in-u-s-rose-less-than-forecast-in-february
Joe Bastardi was forecasting this weeks ago but revised it some to show the cold coming down to northern Florida just last Saturday.
Can we still search the RS past database on the new site? It’s berry important we can search for past info and pictures. Thanks for all you do, don’t give up!
Tom Nelson’s suspended Twitter account has been reinstated.
According to RSS, March 2015 averaged 0.255 degrees C. ( 0.46 deg F.) above the 1981-2010 mean for the globe (70 deg S. through 82.5 deg N. latitude). This makes March 2015 tied for 9th warmest March on record. The RSS satellite measured records go back to 1979.
Image courtesy of RSS.
http://vortex.accuweather.com/adc2004/pub/includes/columns/climatechange/2015/590x321_04061914_rss_ts_channel_tlt_global_land_and_sea_v03_3.png
http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-blogs/climatechange/march-2015-global-satellite-me/45194068
Would you please drop this post from the top of your page. It obscures everything below it and makes it look like the site hasn’t been updated in ages.
I would not worry about been booted out of twitter/wordpress or whatever. Interest in AGW is so low, that it doesn’t even matter if skeptics are not heard.
It is known (SWARM) that the magnetic field is very strong on the Indian Ocean. You can see it in the decomposition of ozone in the southern hemisphere.
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/strat_a_f/gif_files/gfs_t05_sh_f00.gif
What exactly does the word “SOON” mean in your world? I mean if it’s a geological type thing, then Whoa Nelly.. Slow down a bit…
Changes TSI.
http://woodfortrees.org/plot/pmod/from:1900
AMO cycle is in a phase negative (for 30 years). It will bring the end of the drought in the southern United States.
http://woodfortrees.org/plot/esrl-amo/from:2010/trend/plot/esrl-amo/from:2010
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_multidecadal_oscillation
Steve, on the new website, I don’t see a place to subscribe. Are you able to transfer your existing subscriber list to that site? If not, shouldn’t you add a subscribe widget to it?
– Jeff
Steve, will you be transferring all of your old content to your new site?
http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/194865_5_.png
https://bisbalbasquet.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/675px-estelada_blava-svg.png?w=675
“The Many Flags of Dixie,” by Mississippi Mike.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux3zEvb9R-A
200 to go…
Yep. It was the first Palmetto flag that flew over Sumter after it was surrendered but the ignorant masses have no idea about that stuff and couldn’t tell you the difference between the last Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia and the last Confederate Naval ensign.
Here are real examples of just a few of the Confederate flags from units that fought at Shiloh/Pittsburg Landing, the first great battle of the war. http://civilwartalk.com/threads/shiloh-battle-honor-confederate-flags.91465/
The Democractic Party should change its name as it is a symbol of hate, slavery and traitors who caused the Civil War. A bit of the history of the Democratic Party and the Civil War,
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/jimcrow/stories_org_democratic.html
Jefferson Davis a Democrat Senator when he turned traitor in 1861
The current solar cycle is at the level of the cycle from 1880.
http://climexp.knmi.nl/data/isunspots_daily.png
The next 4 cycles were a budget.
Sorry,The next 4 cycles were low.
In the current study, to predict the solar activity, we explore
the PCs derived from the SBMF measured with the WSO in
cycles 21–23 by using the most advanced Eureqa approach
developed on Hamiltonian principles (Schmidt & Lipson 2009).
We show that the classic proxy for solar activity, averaged
sunspot numbers, is strongly modulated by variations in the
SBMF PCs, allowing us to use the SBMF PCs as new proxies
for the overall solar activity.
Furthermore, by using the Eureqa technique based on a
symbolic regression, we managed to uncover the underlying
mathematical laws governing the fundamental processes of
magnetic wave generation in the Sun’s background magnetic
field. These invariants are used to extract the key parameters of
the PCs of SBMF waves, which, in turn, are used to predict the
overall level of solar activity for solar cycles 24–26.
We can conclude with a sufficient degree of confidence
that the solar activity in cycles 24–26 will be systematically
decreasing because of the increasing phase shift between the
two magnetic waves of the poloidal field leading to their full
separation into opposite hemispheres in cycles 25 and 26. This
separation is expected to result in the lack of their subsequent
interaction in any of the hemispheres, possibly leading ta
decade or two, similar to those recorded in the medieval period.
Using the modulus summary curves derived from the principal
components of SBMF, we predict a noticeable decrease
of the average sunspot numbers in cycle 25 to ?80% of that in
cycle 24 and a decrease in cycle 26 to ?40% which are linked
to a reduction of the amplitudes and an increase of the phase
between the PCs of SBMF separating these waves into the opposite
hemispheres. We propose using the PCs derived from
SBMF as a new proxy for the solar activity which can be linked
more closely to dynamo model simulations.
Further investigation is required to establish more precise
links between the dynamo waves generated by both poloidal and
toroidal magnetic fields as simulated in the dynamo models and
the waves in the solar background (SBMF) and sunspot (SMF)
magnetic fields derived with the PC and symbolic regression
analysis presented in the current study which will be the scope
of a forthcoming paper.
The authors thank the WSO staff and directorate for providing
the synoptic maps of the solar background magnetic field for
usage by a general public. We also express our deep gratitude to
the respected referee for very constructive and useful comments
from which the paper has strongly benefited.
http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Valentina_Zharkova/publication/266799418_PREDICTION_OF_SOLAR_ACTIVITY_FROM_SOLAR_BACKGROUND_MAGNETIC_FIELD_VARIATIONS_IN_CYCLES_21-23/links/559fbc8c08ae3dbcbe86d891.pdf?disableCoverPage=true
Error establishing a database connection
When we focus in on the shorter term factors the correlation is even more evident between AMO and SSTs. SSTs are diverging from CO2.
http://woodfortrees.org/graph/hadsst3gl/mean:90/from:1960/plot/esrl-amo/from:1960/normalise/mean:90/offset:-0.025/plot/esrl-co2/normalise/offset:0.45/mean:90
THUMBS UP!
Just a quick check-in to remind you all real climate scientists (not the hacks and amateurs that post their paranoid gibberish here) post their work onto http://www.realclimate.org/
roflmao..
Those guys are the cream of the DENIERS of real science.
They have NOTHING except mal-adjusted non-data, and failed assumptions.
Nothing… nada … zip.
And they are going to look like even more GROSS FOOLS once the temperature starts to dip due to the quieter sun, and the divergence between THEIR models based on the THEIR erroneous assumptions gets bigger and BIGger and BIGGER !!!
Do you really want to be counted as one of those that actually fell for their fraud and misinformation? ………… really ???
And you have…what…to back up your denials? Nothing but poking holes in other’s research. That’s neither creative, nor clever, nor honest. If you were truly honest with yourself you would admit that you really don’t understand the science (probably science in general) and are just another knee-jerk, know nothing, afraid of everything John Bircher.
“Nothing but poking holes in other’s research.”
Massive big holes… chasms of unreality !! Because that is all they have.
You obviously have nothing except a link to a rabid propaganda site.
Please go and educate yourself past junior high level before proceeding further..
I haven’t been to realclimate.org in a while, but isn’t that the web site run by the good squad of science cranks William Connartist, Michael Piltdown Mann, etc., and when you go there to explain why everything they say is stupidly wrong they delete your post and send it into a “bore hole”??
I used to go there and read through the posts in the bore hole to learn the truth.
goon squad not good squad
Tell you what DD,
how about you produce some “climate” science that has act actually been through the proper scientific procedure.
You know.. the one where a hypothesis is tested, and if it fails , it is dumped ?
NOT the one where the hypothesis fails miserably, so they try to adjust the data. !!!!!
Even more HILARIOUS is that the first mentioned HIGHLIGHT (on the right of their little sewer site) is..
wait for it..
AL GORES MOVIE….. roflmao.. seriously ???????
Surely they CANNOT be taken seriously even by a low level clown like you !!!!
Yes I always trust people with screen names like “deniesdeniers” to have an objective outlook on the climate change issue! [sarc off]
Do you have some sort of thing for US vice presidents? From what I recall, you’re a freaking Aussie or something. A sizeable joke in and of itself.
Moron alert.
“Aussie or something”
Envy and jealousy will get you nowhere. 🙂
When you say real climate scientists, do you mean the people who get the government grants and publish in the government controlled climate journals? Yeah, they are the experts. And snake oil salesmen are the experts on snake oil, since they are the professionals, but it’s the rest of us who know they are frauds.
Paranoia much?
Right, because I would have to be paranoid to think that the government has taken over CAS (climate alarm studies)
Interesting insights into Moragn’s thought processes
Taken verbatim from https://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php?p=5&t=207&&a=21
“Morgan,
This is a scientific board. You must refer to the scientific literature or no one will bother with your posts. You have linked to several blog posts, including an unlabeled graph from a frisbie golf site (this one: http://www.hyzercreek.com/nasa2005.jpg). At the same time Tom has linked to a number of peer reviewed publications. Please bring your posts up to the standard used here or stop posting.
You will not convince anyone here with a frisbie golf graph with 2005 in the link. No one cares what your interpretation of the data is. Link to peer reviewed papers that support your view.”
FRISBEE GOLF SITE! What are you – 12?
“No one cares what your interpretation of the data is.” Nor any other denier fools on this site.
Links to SkS, are greeted with natural mirth. 🙂
They highlight your ignorance.
And making fun of my frisbee golf course only reveals your ignorant folly.
hyzercreek.com, the course you are now banned from
“Nor any other denier fools on this site.”
They why are you soooooooo PANICKED that you keep bringing us your low level intelligence.
If we don’t matter…. why are you here. little brain-washed child? 😉
Has anyone on this site ever published anything on anything? Does anyone here have a PhD in the sciences?
In your past lives the contributors to these pages would have insisted that there were an ether, tinkered with alchemy, amateur phrenologists and perhaps have pursued other pointless endeavours. It’s nearly impossible to believe given the ridiculousness of the claims. 1910 newspaper clippings…LOL! This is what you call science?
To see whether any of you can think your way out of a wet paper bag I’d challenge anyone of you to solve this first order differential equation
dy/dx = x*(x+1)^2
I’m guessing a resounding, awkward silence will follow. Or some unhinged diatribe about overeducation.
Any one of you, not anyone of you. Just making an unhinged diatribe on this example of failed education.
Not solving your 10th grade calculus quiz either, I did enough by correcting your 4th grade spelling blunder.
Ok, I can’t spell, but you can’t do math, therefore, are incapable of commenting on climate science as, you should know, it involves modeling coupled non-linear differential equations , of which, you cannot solve the most elementary.
You can’t spell, and have only basic junior high maths.. as is obvious from you thinking that your little dy/dx Q was anything but junior and simplistic..
Do you even know anything about ?y/?x ?
roflmao..
So you passed junior high.. just. !!
Please take your feeble attempts to intimidate somewhere else, small-minded one.
I taught that basic stuff for 20 years to mathematical illiterates like you.
Now doing more productive engineering research work.
But I don’t see an answer, Mr 4th grade teacher
Here’s a quiz for you mister science genius. If a CO2 molecule absorbs a photon of 15 micron IR and then re-radiates it, and then it’s absorbed by another CO2 molecule and re-radiated, then absorbed again, then again, then again, a total of 102 times before the photon escapes to space, did the atmosphere absorb any energy from that photon?
Ask Al Gore.
When you can do 3 dimensional surface integrals, multivariable calculus, Laplace transforms, can tell me what divergence and curl are, know what Green’s theorem, and Stoke’s theorem are can do Runge-Kutter estimates for partial differentials, layout and program finite element sequences, understand the use of Fourier series , have studies fluid dynamics know what the generalised Bernoulli and Naviar-Stokes theorems are all about , and know what things like combinatorial topology, real analysis, etc etc are..
then get back to us… you know.. like in 15 years !!!
and please……. do not expect me to do your homework for you !!
No, the absorption and reabsorption does not result in a net deposition of energy in the atmosphere itself. But it’s not the atmosphere that’s heating up, it’s the Earth’s surface. As Lord Kelvin instructed us in 1860 or so, this C02 layer does act as an insulator (like an extra blanket in winter) that reduces the photon flux into space (assuming the sun’s luminosity is unchanging, which is true over short time scales) and, since flux is conserved, increases that redirected toward the Earth’s surface (as does a blanket). This warms the surface of the Earth well beyond that in absence of an atmosphere. It follows, in an utterly straightforward fashion, that a thicker blanket (increased CO2 levels) will lead to an increase in the Earth’s surface temperature).
This material is, as was pointed out by your pals at skeptical science, completely elementary. It is shocking to imagine that you (and others that frequent this site) cannot follow this most basic element of thermodynamics.
OMG….. the moronic “blanket’ analogy… seriously !!!!
Now I know we are dealing with a mental retard !!
Yes, SkS, is completely elementary school !!
Where you apparently get all your misinformation.
There really is so much wrong with this whole post..
It displays a complete lack of any understanding or comprehension of how the atmosphere actually works. Copy-paste from SkS, maybe ???
Basically EVERY sentence is WRONG ….. ABSOLUTELY AND COMPLETELY WRONG !!
“But it’s not the atmosphere that’s heating up, it’s the Earth’s surface. ”
Thank you for proving that global warming theory is bunk since Climate models and thermodynmaic calculus predicted that the upper troposphere in the tropics should experience warming. it has been claimed all along and still is claimed in the theory today that warming will first appear in the UPPER troposphere with a corresponding cooling in the lower stratosphere.
What is really confusing about all that is that at the same time they claimed that severe storms such as hurricanes would increase in incidence and intensity (some others claimed a lowering of incidence but increase in severity)
Either way a thermocline between the upper troposphere and lower stratosphere will generally result in increased wind sheer and such sheer inhibits or even prevents the development of a tropical depression into a storm and weakens developed storms.
ummmm… so the surface is warming, but not the atmosphere…
(really, that’s what he said.. you can read all it …. doh !!!!!)
What is changing the lapse rate I wonder?
Something is mal-adjusted somewhere. 😉
We also have a “magic” blanket that cools the surface when it is hot. 🙂
Its a fairy tale planet for sure !!
Hey, little mathematical non-entity..
Just for fun, why not change the index to a -2.
Let’s see what you got..
the integration is still pretty basic ! 😉
hint: two terms + the indeterminate constant.
ps.. maybe you can graduate from junior high …….. or not. !
I hope Big Brother forces a carbon free future on us. Tomorrow, Obama’s taking a big first step!
Obama’s attempt to foist communism on the American people will be Trumped in 2016.
Even though you’re not any good at science, you do have a good sense of humor.
How the heck would you have any idea if anyone was good at science?
You have already proven that you are mathematical minnow with basically zero understanding of atmospheric processes…
but keep going.. its funny to watch. 🙂
If Obama is a communist, what exactly would that make Eisenhower? And no, communism could not be worse than a world where Trump was president.
The get off that computer and dump it at the nearest recycling site hypocrite. Most of the plastics in it came from petroleum fool! If your going to talk the talk then start with YOU walking the walk so besides the computer you need to quit buying or using most of the types of plastics plus many fibers and plenty of other stuff:
Here’s a partial list of things you need to avoid for your “carbon free future” turkey.
Benzene
Butadiene
Ethylene
p-Xylene
Propylene
2-Ethylhexanol (2-EH)
Acetic acid
Acrylonitrile (AN)
Ammonia
Bis(2-ethylhexyl) phthalate (dioctyl phthalate)
n-Butene
Cyclohexane
Dimethyl terephthalate (DMT)
Dodecylbenzene
Ethanol
Ethanolamine
Ethoxylate
1,2-Dichloroethane (ethylene dichloride or EDC)
Ethylene glycol (EG)
Ethylene oxide (EO)
Formaldehyde Moulding Compound (FMC)
n-Hexene
Linear alkyl benzene (LAB)
Methanol
Methyl tert-butyl ether (MTBE)
Phenol
Propylene oxide
Purified terephthalic acid (PTA)
Styrene monomer (SM)
Thermosetting Resin (Urea/Melamine)
Vinyl acetate monomer (VAM)
Vinyl chloride monomer (VCM)
Acrylic fiber
Acrylonitrile butadiene styrene (ABS)
Acrylonitrile styrene (AS)
Polybutadiene (PBR)
Polyvinyl chloride (PVC)
Polyethylene (PE)
Polyethylene terephthalate (PET)
Polyol
Polypropylene (PP)
Polystyrene (PS)
Styrene butadiene (SBR)
Acrylic-formaldehude (AF) Lubricants
Additives
Catalysts
Marine fuel oil
Petroleum refining Adhesives and sealants
Agrochemicals
Construction chemicals
Corrosion control chemicals
Cosmetics raw materials
Electronic chemicals and materials
Flavourings, fragrances, food additives
Pharmaceutical drugs
Specialty and industrial chemicals
Specialty and industrial gases
Inks, dyes and printing supplies
Packaging, bottles, and containers
Paint, coatings, and resins
Polymer additives
Specialty and life sciences chemicals
Surfactants and cle
I hope you become carbon free very shortly.
I find it difficult to improve on the minds and wisdom of Kelvin and Arrhenius, who laid the foundation for our understanding of blackbodies and radiative forcing. A blanket is an excellent analogy, to first order, (I’ll explain what this means in another post) and further I have to keep it in simple terms because a) it’s really almost that simple and, b) you guys aren’t physicists and likely would get lost in any deeper discussion of radiative transport. The problems with the minds of most deniers is that the opt for complex, rather than simpler and more elegant explanations for a phenomena. You guys never apparently heard of Occam’s Razor. To deny the analogy that adding more CO2 to the atmosphere is not akin to a thicker blanket on a bed is just admitting a fundamental lack of understanding of basic physics, no matter how involved and how intricate the actual transport phenomena may be. And to think that at 400 ppm there are no longer any additional infrared photons to be absorbed is so funny that I might burst out crying.
You can’t even explain the basic fact that the atmosphere COOLS the surface when its hot. No blanket does that.
But you just keep on imagining your puerile, child-like little blanket analogy…. is funny to watch. 🙂
Your understanding of anything to do with the atmosphere is obviously very LIMITED. !!
But if you worship SkS, it will always be that way.
And adding a tiny amount of trace CO2 does not make your imaginary blanket thicker, it actually makes it very slightly thinner, because it gives a very small, immeasurable reduction in the specific heat of the atmosphere. That is the basic physics.
But you don’t understand basic physics, do you.
Maybe you should go back to SkS and become even more ignorant.
Its what they excel at, dumbing people like you down even further.
1. A blanket is an insulator that transports heat via conduction through a solid, and blocks all radiation. This makes it unlike the atmosphere.
2. Phenomena is plural, phenomenon is singular. You did it twice so it wasn’t a typo.
3. Everybody knows that 400 ppm is enough to make the atmosphere completely opaque to 15 micron IR (which is the only wavelength that CO2 blocks). Nobody argues this point, all sides agree. The only idiot who doesn’t know this is you.
4. People who talk about Occam’s razor are always blubbering fools. These are the same idiots who talk about Schrodinger’s cat, the only thing they remember from the “Physics for non-science students” class they took on a pass/fail basis but failed.
5. Adding CO2 to the atmosphere is not akin to making a thicker blanket on a bed, it’s akin to adding a 101st blanket to a bed that has 100 blankets on it.
Here is something for DD to read… I doubt it will get past his mental blocks though.
http://pindanpost.com/2015/08/03/significant-releases-of-co2-has-no-essential-effect-on-the-earths-climate/
And I hope Obama’s announcement today more quickly hastens a one world government empowered to bring the world to zero CO2 emissions from fossil fuel burning. And by the way Andy (you’re an Aussie, right – perhaps that explains the inferiority complex) when a person dies they do not become carbon free. Instead, the ratio of C12/C14 changes as C14 (from atmospheric testing) decays away. But, alas, radioactivity probably isn’t your thing, either.
Yes, it does explain your inferiority simplex.
You have just given away the agenda of the anti-CO2 totalitarians… world government.
You stupid stupid little boy !!
As I said.. you are more than welcome to decarbonise yourself.
But stop trying to push your utter stupidity onto other people.
I know I tapped into the inner psyche of the deniers – their irrational fear of one ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT. I typed it in caps just to provided an illusion of some haunting music. Isn’t your imagination more fertile than to cower at this chesnut? Or does Chma keep you tossing and turning all night? Big bad China – does it have wolf’s teeth in your dreams.
Essentially an international agreement regulation CO2 will lead to a quasi international government, and if winds up keeping the planet from burning up more power to it. Love to see fearful cowards squirm.
China is doing its bit to push up atmospheric CO2 levels, and will continue to for the foreseeable future..
You really are projecting your fears onto others aren’t you.
In a democratic one world.. China and India rule ! 🙂
But democratic isn’t what they are after, is it.
And remember.. to manufacture all the unreliable wind and solar crap, you will need plenty of coal, and oil. The third world countries will decide its time to develop, and the use of coal, oil and gas will continue to climb.
Already happening.. Indonesia has just overtaken Australia to be in 3rd place in world coal exports, and they have huge deposits.
Fossil fuels will thankfully be around for a long, long time, way after this moronic anti-CO2 agenda is gone and is an embarrassing footnote in history.
“Love to see fearful cowards squirm.”
So do we.. 🙂
That is with you don’t get blocked like we realists do at alarmist sites.
Your rabid rants are quite hilarious nonsense and recorded on the internet for prosperity. 🙂
Comic gold, really. I’ve paid for lesser entertainment than deniesdeniers is providing here.
Poor guy seems to have a fetish for Aussies as well. 🙂
Not really a fetish for Aussies, per se, but a deep appreciation for irrelevant colonies. The chapter on fossil fuels, is closing, and today was just another nail in their coffins. It’s kinda shame you’re not a US citizen so your comments would actually carry some weight but, alas, just another forgotten outcast exiled from the English prison system. Guess reactionaries are universal.
I’ve derived all the pleasure that I can from the ranks of the shunned underemployed. Back to doing real science. So, so long chumps – history is clearly not on your side side, nor is intelligence. But, as someone famously wrote, the deniers will be the first to reach for their guns when climate refugees stream to “developed” countries.
Yes, you obviously have a deep-seated inferiority complex / neurosis when it comes to Aussies. I understand completely why you would.
When you grow up and get more than a very basic education, you may get over it.
Climate refugees???? .. weren’t there meant to be half a million by now ???
Name one..
Yet another failed “climate science™” prophesy. 🙂
Yet another failed climate troll. !
I doubt you have done one single bit of real science in your whole life.
Failed Arts/Lit ?
The coal industry is growing. Demand was up last year despite the slowdown in China, and globally almost 30 per cent higher than a decade ago. Coal will soon (perhaps as soon as next year) overtake oil as the world’s most substantial single source of energy, regaining some of the market share it has lost to oil and gas over the last half century.
The first era of coal began with the industrial revolution and extended through the 19th century, thanks to the development of railways and shipping across the world. The second era has its origins in the economic transformation of China which began in the last two decades of the last century, followed now by that of India.
The next 50 years are likely to see more coal burnt than in the whole of the 20th century
(from Nick Butler, Financial Times.)
Oh, and while your at it quit eating and breathing since after all your emitting CO2 and eating carbon based life forms. Come to think of it your a carbon based life form so your only alternative is to NOT HAVE A FUTURE! Get with it hypocrite and go completely carbon free right now!
Humans produce a gigaton of CO2 every year by breathing.
“No, the absorption and reabsorption does not result in a net deposition of energy in the atmosphere itself. But it’s not the atmosphere that’s heating up, it’s the Earth’s surface. As Lord Kelvin instructed us in 1860 or so, this C02 layer does act as an insulator (like an extra blanket in winter) that reduces the photon flux into space (assuming the sun’s luminosity is unchanging, which is true over short time scales) and, since flux is conserved, increases that redirected toward the Earth’s surface (as does a blanket). This warms the surface of the Earth well beyond that in absence of an atmosphere. It follows, in an utterly straightforward fashion, that a thicker blanket (increased CO2 levels) will lead to an increase in the Earth’s surface temperature).”
You are wrong. The answer to my quiz is this. If the photon is absorbed and re-radiated, it does not warm anything, but that’s not how it works. The photon is not absorbed and re-radiated, it is absorbed and turned into kinetic heat which is absorbed by the N2 and O2 (and other) molecules, which warms the air and the surface (you can’t warm one without the other, idiot). The problem is, there is a finite number of photons coming off Earth’s surface, and when there is enough CO2 to absorb all of them, adding more CO2 does nothing to absorb more of them. As it turns out, the mean-free-path length of a photon at sea level relative to CO2 is around 30 meters but if you account for the absorption by water vapor, it’s only a few meters, so all of the 15-micron photons are absorbed by the lowest few meters of the atmosphere. This is called the elevation of extinction. Adding more CO2 only lowers the elevation of extinction, which does nothing to warm the atmosphere.
I doubt you understand a word I just said.
Poor DD has proven that his grasp of ANYTHING to do with the atmosphere and climate is rudimentary and elementary at best.
But then, he cites SkS.. so what do you expect !
SkS are all liars. They have resident BS artists like Tom Curtis (not a real person) to baffle the readers with sciencey-sounding gibberish.
Pressure anomalies over the Northern Polar Circle. The obvious effect of high cosmic radiation.
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/strat-trop/gif_files/time_pres_HGT_ANOM_JAS_NH_2015.gif
http://oi58.tinypic.com/vyqkjk.jpg
Next up the swastika (reverse orientated) 🙂
Hello, it seems your domain name realclimatescience.com is not resolved currently. By any chance did you forget to renew it ?
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I know it’s an attention getter, but I fail to understand why you continue to associate your site with the Confederate flag. Democrats created and own it: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420335/confederate-flag-democrats
Maybe that is the point. Irony.