Understanding Green Energy


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  1. Gail Combs says:

    Greening the land = all the dead bodies as fertilizer… Oh and as they decay they also add CO2. Got it.

  2. Steve Case says:

    Anyone who does the least little bit of an investigation will come to the conclusion that you’re not going to power the country with wind mills and solar panels. The people pushing this crap know this, but they push it anyway. They are liars. They are telling these lies for their own benefit and nobody else.

    • Gail Combs says:


      We looked into Wind and Solar since we are in the south and on a hill made of impermeable clay and therefore could easily make a two pond energy storage system. (We have a backhoe). My best bud has even built those types of systems for the wealthy and Hubby understands electrical systems.

      After looking at the costs, with all the advantages we have, the system STILL would not pay for itself unless we built the windmill ourselves.

      Geothermal was the only system that made any type of sense and North Carolina law does not allow us to dig the trench for the pipes making it very expensive.

      Wind turbines’ lifespan far shorter than believed, study suggests

      A study commissioned by the Renewable Energy Foundation has found that the economic life of onshore wind turbines could be far less than that predicted by the industry.

      The “groundbreaking” research was carried out by academics at Edinburgh University and saw them look at years of windfarm performance data from the UK and Denmark.

      The results appear to show that the output from windfarms allowing for variations in wind speed and site characteristics declines substantially as they get older.

      By 10 years of age, the report found that the contribution of an average UK windfarm towards meeting electricity demand had declined by a third….

      Solar radiation is rarely constant and varies with changing atmospheric conditions (clouds and dust), and the changing position of the Earth relative to the sun (day and night). Solar energy is also relatively weak because it must first pass through the atmosphere.

      Myth #1: Rooftop solar is a cost-effective option for homeowners.

      …Unfortunately, many residential solar companies rely on deceptive sales practices to coerce consumers into signing a multi-decade contract, offering zero-money down installations while sweetening the deal by promising no maintenance costs and reduced electricity bills. For example, an 88-year old woman was tricked into signing a $66,000 solar contract by a solar salesman in July 2015, and the owners of Stealth Solar were ordered to pay $92,000 in restitution due to “illegally advertised services” including “deceptive telemarketing, bogus mailers, untrue promises of savings and government subsidies.”

      Arizona Attorney General Tom Horne released a consumer alert in June 2014 that warned against “unethical behavior” from solar companies, and Attorneys General in Louisiana, Mississippi, Connecticut, and Vermont have all warned consumers of the predatory tactics employed by the residential solar industry….

      Fact: Net metering subsidizes homeowners with solar panels, who are, on average, wealthier than homeowners without solar panels and significantly wealthier than families who do not own a home.

      An MIT Energy Initiative study, The Future of Solar Energy, found that when residential solar generation is compensated at retail value of electricity, “the result is a subsidy to residential and other distributed solar generators that is paid for by other customers on the network” and called for “network charges” to “remove the extra subsidy.”

      The added costs shifted onto non-solar households can be substantial. In California, for example, Southern California Edison (SCE) projected a $16.7 billion shift onto non-net metering consumers, while Pacific Gas and Electric estimated a $24 billion shift over the next decade. San Diego Gas & Electric claimed that the non-solar customers pay about $160 million more annually because of net metering.

      he benefits of net metering policies are largely limited to the wealthy

      So solar is a mechanism used to move money from the pockets of the poor to the pockets of the rich while making the rich feel morally superior — What a great marketing plan.

      Myth #10: Homeowners will unambiguously save money by “going solar.”

      Fact: The savings from installing solar panels are either exaggerated or even negative.

      The residential solar industry makes claims about the supposed savings solar panels will deliver on monthly electricity bills, but these savings frequently don’t materialize or are overstated. In some cases, contracts with solar companies can cause electricity bills to increase. The Wall Street Journal reported that Paul Braverman, 79, signed a 20-year lease with Sungevity in 2013 because “he believed he would cut his overall utility payments.” In reality, he ended up paying about $800 more annually. Sungevity argued that he had been using much more energy than in the past, but data from the Arizona Public Service revealed that “wasn’t the case” and the solar company refunded Mr. Braverman $1,600.

      In another case, a class action lawsuit alleged that Sunrun deceptively based savings claims on its website on the assumption that utility rates would rise 6 percent annually, but data provided by Pacific Gas and Electric Co. showed that rates have leveled off since 2008.

      Furthermore, most solar contracts contain price escalators, meaning that monthly payments rise over the course of the contract regardless of a change in utility rates. Customers may be misled about energy-price escalators mandated in the contract, which could amount to a 5 percent annual increase in lease payments. Ultimately, customers pay nearly double the retail price of the panel over the course of their contracts, according to the Wall Street Journal.


      Residential solar power is growing rapidly, particularly because of the prevalence of policies like net metering. But while proponents of solar power are reciting a number of claims that sound too good to be true, we offer facts that tell the real story behind the myth….

      If you do the research it becomes obvious eco-energy is nothing but a giant scam used to milk money out of the poor and middle class.

      • Olaf Koenders says:

        All these problems were going on in Germany some 20+ years ago. Nobody picked up on it much since most people have problems remembering anything beyond 20 years.

  3. TA says:

    Windmills and Solar Thermal really are deadends.

    It would be different if there were not good alternatives, to windmills and solar thermal, but there are very good alternatives available, such as nuclear power. The Greens need to wake up and smell the coffee: We can deal with nuclear waste safely. Any problems are political, not technical. If we use windmills and solar thermal, we are going to kill millions of birds and bats every year we do it. It’s insane. It’s unnecessary. Wake up!

    • Gail Combs says:

      Nuclear is very much the way to go but the Rockefellers and Saudis did not like the idea and funded anti-nuclear propaganda and protests. Think Aramco.

      If you bother to look most protesters are PAID protesters like the $10/hour ad in the Boston Globe to protest Seabrook Nuclear plant in the 1980s or the Craigslist Trump protesters now. (I would be POed because the wage hasn’t gone up… snicker)

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