Scientists at NSIDC and IPCC Comedy Central insist that Arctic ice is not recovering.
COI | Centre for Ocean and Ice | Danmarks Meteorologiske Institut
On thin ice: Arctic shelf shrinks to record low
18 SEP 2013
“It certainly is continuing the long-term decline,” said Julienne Stroeve, a scientist at the National Snow and Ice Data Centre.
On thin ice: Arctic shelf shrinks to record low | News | Environment | Mail & Guardian
The only thing that hit a record low this year is the MSM’s credibility.
And the purchasing power of your dollar, and the participation rate of the workforce, and the credibility of America. Circling the drain.
So far so good for the new season of the Arctic icecap!
If current data is ignored then nothing has changed & so the alarmists are ignoring any data that doesn’t fit their model projections and “adjusting” the past data / torturing the data until it yields the desired result!
You have to wonder how long any sane person can keep up the charade …. GLO-BULL warming isn’t dead and only had to be nailed to it’s perch temporarily.
It sounds like a Monty Python sketch.
The hard is on.
The Guardian never gives up. I see that Julienne Stroeve is being quoted for support (and at length). Maybe she can see the writing on the wall and is angling for a new job.
(I can see it now: Dana & Julienne, the Batman and Robin of climate change … Soon they’ll be after that Joker over at Real Science.)
Looks like they moved the goalposts to mid-century.
I don’t know if we will see no Arctic ice in the summer someday, and quite frankly, I don’t care.
But if it does occur anytime before mid-century, alarmists will scream “it is worse than we thought.”
I will be very curious to see what happens over the next 10-20 years as the AMO switched to cold. That will likely yield conclusive data on the magnitude of natural cycles as compared to any possible signal/component of AGW.
Thats because it isn’t recovering. 2SDs below average is not a recovery. When we are back to the 80s levels then you can laugh.
Actually it is ice-free like Hansen, Gore, Maslowski, Fortier, Oreheim, Wadhams ,…. predicted.
ROFLMAO
Thats not an argument Steven. False predictions do not falsify the claim that sea ice is not recovering, which it isn’t. One year on from the lowest sea ice extent/area/thickness/volume on record, and currently at ~2SDs below the mean. Recovery; its laughable.
False predictions do call into question the value of their climate models. Their linear trend line is drawn from around 1979 when the satellite era began at the peak of Arctic ice. You can’t use linear trend lines for cyclical phenomena to extrapolate the future. I learned that in high school, and I was really good at math and science. The 1990 IPCC report knew this also, showing ice growth from 1974 to 1979, and they drew a geometric curve at the time, not a linear trend line.
What is your comment on the AMO? My opinion – If it flips to cold and Arctic ice doesn’t recover, that would be evidence that AGW is a significant player. If the Arctic ice does recover, that would be evidence that natural cycles dominate over any possible component of AGW.
What exactly is “average”? One cherry picked by alarmists, or one found by geologists studying the history of the Earth?
Are you a creationist? Bless you heart! đŸ˜†
Creationist?! Lol. The creationists make more sense then some of the people here. If I am to take your question seriously, then lets try the 30 year average. e.g 1982-2012. Thirty years is commonly used in climate averages. If you want to use a longer average then may I suggest you read kinnard et al 2011. Either way the arctic is not looking too healthy.
So the Earth was created in 1982? Got it! đŸ˜†
Enjoy your cherry pie, neo-creationist.
ROFLMAO!!!
We shall see if Arctic ice “recovers” in 10-20 years after AMO has flipped to cold.
Then the warmists will start complaining about shrinking Antarctic ice and forget the Arctic exists.
The arctic ice isn’t going to recover in the next 10-20 years. Itl more likely be gone over the summer.
Another prophet.
how can the Arctic be melting when global temperatures have been going down for the last half of the 30 year record?
Summer of what year, 2014?