The flood myth is an essential component of most religions – a great flood as retribution for man’s sins. A way to control people through fear.
The global warming religion has made the flood myth the central point of their dark ages mentality. If you don’t give your money and control of your life to the government, the Antarctic ice sheet will slip into the sea and drown the planet.
There is no evidence that such a thing is happening, can happen, or that we could do anything about it if it was. But it doesn’t matter. The church of climate junk science has decreed it, and it gets repeated over and over again.
Mankind is reverting to the dark ages of superstition. The climate change cult is working overtime to end the age of reason, with utter bullshit like this.
The process they are describing has been going on for centuries. It has nothing to do with humans, and is not going to lead to a “collapse”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5svTzxVa-xQ
https://youtu.be/pslyEi15ydc
http://www.robertschoch.com/images/plasma/perattfig31_32_33rrktwebsite.jpg
http://www.everythingiselectric.com/images/myths-legends/hua-shan-rock-art-frogman-squatterman.jpg
Siberia, Alaska, Malta! Three mass slaughter sites! Sites littered with carcasses and skeletons captured in violent death throes. Some are petrified as rocks (Malta), some are preserved in ice (Siberia), some are surrounded and invaded by limestone(Hot Springs – Dakota). Others are entombed in Bitumen (La Brea-L.A.) and peat Bogs (Snowmass- Colorado). Many are impeccably preserved whilst the bulk are shattered, dismembered and rolled (Gibraltar) by forces so violent and unseen today that we are naive to their mysterious powers! These extinct species met with an instantaneous and horrific death…
Regardless of the source of destruction, “rock art” (petroglyphs) offer powerful evidence of the operative tool. Anthony Peratt, a plasma research physicist at the Los Alamos National Laboratory, has noted the extraordinary similarity between “squatter man”(see illustration) petroglyphs and his laboratory plasma beam instabilities. He maintains that early man recorded in rock massive plasma discharges in the heavens. These incredibly powerful electromagnetic instabilities eventually discharged causing devastating effects. Magnetic reversals, x-ray bombardment, devastating winds, purging floods, wild fires, mountain building and a host of other cataclysmic scenarios visited Earth. Everywhere in the world you go from Australia’s Kimberley’s to Saudi Arabia and the U.S. you see rock art replications of these plasma instabilities.”
https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2012/11/05/thunderbolts-mammoths-and-mass-destruction/
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Good interview Robert. I have come to believe that civilization is much older than what they taught us in school decades ago. There is just too much evidence to be ignored, but entrenched ‘science’ is hard to move, and it will take a new generation of scientists with new discoveries to break down the belief systems in place today.
As someone who spent the majority of my life studying geology and history, the forces of nature are far beyond what 99% of the population thinks they know.
Glad you picked on that, Steve. I posted late on the thread and got a shit storm of protest from True Believers. Not a one would admit exactly the points you make – that it’s entirely natural process. (Even the article itself admits there’s ‘no evidence’ to link human influence, yet still the shrill voices screamed.)
No human contribution. No % likelihood for the ‘worst case scenario’ was shown. Hundreds of years before anything of possible consequence could theoretically occur. Complete and utter alarmist bullshit is exactly what that article is. Par for the course at the Guardian these days.
Why read the Guardian or Enquirer when you want bullshit? They have much slicker paper in National Mendaciographic or Sciency American
I am very puzzled by these claims of Antarctic ice thinning/melting and warming of the Antarctic regions.Rather oddly, a large number of islands and parts of South America are considered to be part of Antarctica, although they are up to over 800 NM North of the Antarctic Circle( See Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/…/List_of_islands_in_the_Atlantic_O… ).If the ice is thinning and the air and oceans are warming, why isn’t this being shown in the ice caps and glaciers of these places,. I refer in particular to South Georgia and Bouvet Islands, both C 54 deg. South; and both having glaciers to sea level. Bouvet Island an extinct volcano,only rise to a height of C 2,500 ft., but is just covered by one great glacier. I am therefore left to conclude CAGW /Climate Change/Climate Disruption is pure, unadulterated cowpatology.
I live near theYnys Mon, the Isle of Anglesey latitude 54 Deg.. North.
What the ClimAstrologists and the Groiniad do not bother to mention:
Researchers Find Major West Antarctic Glacier Melting from Geothermal Sources
Even the University of Texas keeps up the hype despite finding out the glacier is melting due to natural causes.
Greenland Ice Melt Geothermal, Not Manmade
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I think we have a MAJOR PROBLEM and it is not just in climate science.
How Many Scientists Fabricate and Falsify Research? A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis of Survey Data
Why Most Published Research Findings Are False
NATURE International Weekly Journal of Science: Publishers withdraw more than 120 gibberish papers
I could go on and on. Like the FDA does not bother to mention all the medical studies they find false or the clinical labs that didn’t even bother to do the studies. (Like North Carolina clinical research organization Cetero Research that faked data for five years or more.)
The research is left as “good” in the medical journals and your doctor then uses that false information to make decisions affecting your health. (That is another ton of links)
Gail,
I prefer the term crimatologist.
In High School I wrote a paper on the historical value of the Bible. And I took alot of heat for explaining that so many of those stories handed down first by word of mouth, and then translated and reinterpreted for millennia, cannot be taken literally. The original witnesses to these cataclysms did not know the Earth was round, much less that other continents existed. To them a region like the Dead Sea would have been the whole world.
Anyone who tries to apply modern definitions to ancient texts, is really not that bright.
Either not bright or just misinformed and indoctrinated in a dogma. No different really than the alarmist proponents and believers.
It was hot in California so the snow, abnormally cold weather in the mid-west and east was just a local phenomena and the rest of the world was abnormally hot.
This ‘ indoctrination in the dogma’ of CAGW is backed up by a lack of reporting in the MSM of the major snow and cold events throughout the Mediterranean all the way to Japan.
If it was not for the effort of the folks at IceAgeNow especially thanks to Argiris Diamantis, most of us would not be aware of any of the unusual winter events throughout the world.
For Example:
22 Mar 2015 Dozens of goats killed by snow and cold temperatures in Lebanon “In the heights of Almtalala and Mount Khan and Alwastany, the snow reached 20 cm (8 inches) deep.”
20 Mar 2015 Snow-covered streets and palm trees in Baljurashi, Saudi Arabia – Video
28 Mar 2015 Huge hailstorm just a couple of degrees north of the equator – Short Video There have been several bad hail storms and people have been killed. Argiris Diamantis has links in the comments.
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Ice Age Now also reported some of the propaganda craziness
“We need a carbon tax to redistribute wealth,” says Bill Nye – Video ““Need government to run things…. Everyone else should shut up…. We need to reduce the human population.”
The video starts out attacking Republicans and Christians as ‘unscientific’. It confuses a scientific theory (evolution) with fact concrete fact (gravity.) It then uses the theory of evolution to ‘prove’ CAGW. Very pro-big government too. (CAGW is around minute 40)
It is a discussion between Google’s Vikram Bajaj and Nye.
vikbajaj(DOT)org/biography/ (Note he does not wear a tie even when wearing a traditional dress shirt and suit jacket.)
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And some of the government craziness that Steve has uncovered.
This is freedom? “NOAA is desperate to hide their data tampering, and is taking a new tack to defeat FOIA (freedom of information) requests,” says stevengoddard….
Don’t mistake myth for history of any kind. C.G. Jung and Campbell both noted that mythic narratives are innate…like human collective software in the mind. The evidence supports this both anthropologically as well as psychologically. Myths are allegory using metaphor and symbols familiar to the cultures that told the myths, not geological history of any kind. Those structures are still in us, and if told in a way that reason can be circumvented and appeal to an authority that is widely respected (science) then the myths can be re-told in a new fashion and a whole new generation of religious zealots are born believing it’s “Fact” when it actually arises solely from their imagination in a sort of sympathetic resonance between the narrative and their unconscious.
Good time to remind people of the PSMSL data location. You all may know it already, but it’s a great resource, especially when climate lunatics are claiming some island is disappearing or ice is melting. They tend to stop citing peer reviewed studies when you show that the actual gauge data disagrees.
http://www.psmsl.org/data/obtaining/map.html
For example:
– I find it fascinating that around the four corners of Greenland: Labrador, Alert, Svalbard, Iceland, sea level is on balance declining (respectively: declining, flat, declining, flat after rising). Most of these are 50 year trends.
– Remember the first “climate refugee” from Tuvalu? Flat sea level trend in Tuvalu since the late 1970s (aerial pictures from WWII compared to today actually show MORE island than less also)
– Sea level is largely flat around Bangladesh
– Sea level is declining at Cape Roberts Antarctica for the past 20 years
– Sea level is rising 1mm/year in the Argentine Is (West Antarctica) since the 60s, but flat since the late 90s, a sine wave up and down with a difficult trend to discern.
– Sea level has dropped 1 meter in Juneau in the last 80 years (Even the NYT reported this in 2009)
– And the longest trend: NYC Battery has been rising at a constant rate since 1856
It’s a lot fun and who says this should not be fun?
I remember several years ago an article by Nils-axel Morner. He had taken a photo of an ancient tree on one of the Maldives (I believe) back in the late 1970s. He revisited the location in the early 2000s and took another photo that displayed identical proximity to the water as the earlier one. After he had posted the photo, some devoted econuts concerned about the devastating evidence of no sea level rise presented, did their noble thing for saving the planet by tearing this ancient tree from its roots and discarding it.
Deltas are a delicate balance between river, sedimentation and the sea.
If sea levels on the Bangladesh coast line did rise slowly, the delta would grow in response. Sea level dropping would lead to a speed up of the flow of the river into the sea, taking some of the delta with it.
hell even the IPPC don’t really believe there has been an increase-
“There is limited to medium evidence available to assess climate-driven observed changes in the magnitude and frequency of floods at regional scales because the available instrumental records of floods at gauge stations are limited in space and time, and because of confounding effects of changes in land use and engineering. Furthermore, there is low agreement in this evidence, and thus overall low confidence at the global scale regarding even the sign of
these changes. [3.5.2]
Maybe your best post ever.
“faster than scientists thought”
The drivel seems to being getting a tad repetitive of late.
I am convinced that the flood myth is a mythical memory of sea level rise at the end of the last ice-age. Which was quite rapid in geological times; possibly very rapid locally, such as the Black Sea, although that theory is controversial. Interestingly, agriculture only started after the last ice-age, and appears to have started in Anatolia, where evidence of the first examples of domesticated grasses have been found. (Don’t thank the Turks, they weren’t living there then). Then an easy migration to the fertile crescent.
The Black Sea is a definite possibility. I once attended a lecture by a Rabbi whose name I wish I could remember. He embraces modern science and encourages people of faith to do the same, as often it helps in understanding Biblical events. One of his more interesting topics was the story of the flood. The original Hebrew states that the flood was not due to rains, but that the waters came from up out of the Earth. He had some interesting geologic perspectives on this, and I would hate to misquote, but if I find text of that speech, I will share it here.
I tend to believe that it was a geological event of some kind that released an inland sea. Kind of like what happens with ice dams. A regional event in the breadbasket of human civilization as we know it. And yet they have a similar story of a great flood at about the same time in India. So could it have been a massive Tsunami?
The Flood narrative exists in religion and folklore in nearly every culture there has ever been with few exceptions. The Flood motif is far from unique to the Bible. Biblical literalists have consistently used this fact to claim The Flood was a literal event despite the obvious fact of there not being enough water and there being no other geological evidence supporting such ridiculous literalism….so why does such a narrative exist so far and wide over all time? It was Joseph Campbell and C.G. Jung studying dreams and mythology who realized that the origin of such motifs are in the collective human psyche, and not literal physical events. Jung called these universal patterns “archetypes”. These myths are our program written in the language of allegory and symbolism…myth is to psyche as math is to physics. Myth is the form in which our primal collective instincts take. Environmentalists have, like any religious fundamentalist, capitalized on the literal interpretation of a myth and have appealed to the authority of science as their holy scripture to vindicate their delusion (Delugion) and manipulate the scientifically illiterate masses. Same story, new wrapper.
Nice to see someone relate the global warming narrative to the universal mythology of the Flood. Such myths were seen as part of our collective psychological make up by the likes of C.G. Jung and Joseph Campbell, NOT as literal history. Mythological literalism (biblical literalism) has plagued every religion since the beginnings of history and it plagues environmentalism now while appealing to the authority of misconstrued science. Beware heretics…er deniers, your crosses, nails, and burning stakes have been prepared for your martyrdom and are just waiting for you. Here we go again.
The flood was not a myth. It happened here:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/Post-Glacial_Sea_Level.png
You failed terribly to understand my point…myth is our collective psychological programming (instincts), it’s why these narratives keep showing up not only in religion, but in delusions of the insane, screen writing (waterworld), dreams, and prophetic cults (The Seekers, Cargo Cults, and Global warming). Whether it’s historical fact or future cataclysm depends on what the individual BELIEVES, not what he sees.
Are you familiar with the work of David Talbott of the Thunderbolts Project?
It’s somewhat controversial in that they disagree with standard orthodoxy about the Big Bang and propose an electrical theory. Their work includes the ancient archetypes that are common around the world and found in many religious symbols.
They claim there were catastrophes on Earth in fairly recent past (maybe as recent as 4-5000 years ago and back to 40-50,000 years I think), that are part of the collective unconscious and amnesia, as Immanuel Velikovsky describes it (who was a psychoanalyst and catastrophist).
Velikovsky thought that this yearning for apocalypse came from that time. I’m no expert, I just find it interesting speculation and they have some decent videos and well credentialed scientists, it seems to me. I’ve read some of Velikovsky’s books (Worlds in Collision, Earth in Upheaval)
They don’t buy the stable solar system doctrine of the Big Bang. They claim the solar system was a radically different configuration within human history, but modern humans have long since forgotten. Sounds like Atlantis stuff, I know! But who are we to be positive about what happened 50,000 years ago? We weren’t there. Myths don’t just come from the imagination, it seems to me, especially if they are similar between cultures around the world.
the big bang is a cosmology that both acts as a creation mythology (existentially satisfying) as well as a scientific extrapolation, but it is not strictly speaking empirical science since we cannot observe it. The understanding of mind and myth is very poor in our culture and it heavily biased by biblical literalism that is always trying to interpret myth as a “fact” while skeptics label “myth” as fiction…what both perspectives lack is the notion that myth is allegory and innate in the mind.