Hansen claims that his models predicted Antarctic sea ice expansion
In this sense, expanding Antarctic sea ice might be anything but good news.
Indeed, in the troubling scenario outlined by Hansen and his colleagues, it’s part of a series of feedbacks that lead to rapid sea level rise. “Amplifying feedbacks, including slowdown of [the Southern ocean’s overturning circulation] and cooling of the near-Antarctic ocean surface with increasing sea ice, may spur nonlinear growth of Antarctic ice sheet mass loss,” write Hansen and his colleagues.
“Effects of freshwater injection and resulting ocean stratification are occurring sooner in the real world than in our model,” they add.
Reached by phone, Hansen added that one reason he thinks the model he is using is is right — and other models are not — is that it captures Antarctic sea ice expansion. “All the other models have sea ice disappearing as the planet get warmer,” he says. He also thinks the Antarctic ice expansion trend will continue, along with ice sheet melt.
“It will be clearer, give us a few more years,” he says.
Climate change skeptics may be about to lose one of their favorite arguments – The Washington Post
Give him a few more years? Thirty years ago he predicted peak sea ice loss right where the peak ice gain has occurred in Antarctica. The exact opposite of what he claims now.
Hansen is a completely incompetent hack with a big mouth who has been wrong about everything. That makes him the world’s greatest climate scientist.
When necessary, they make it up as they go along. As time goes on, that necessity will occur more and more often. Finally global warming theory will collapse under its own weight. The web of lies, exaggerations, propaganda and bullshit will no longer be believed by a majority of people.
“Finally global warming theory will collapse under its own weight.
AGW will probably NOT collapse until some undeniable event exposes the Sun’s pulsar core. Then AGW, SSM, SNM & BBC will be seen replacements for earlier beliefs that Earth Is the Center of the Universe and the Earth Is Flat.
Well it seems to me that according to all polls, including even one world wide from the UN, that it has already collapsed with the average Joe.
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“The thinking goes like this: As ice shelves melt, and more inland ice slides towards the sea, a gigantic volume of cold, fresh water enters the ocean. This freshwater pulse, the researchers continue, promotes ocean “stratification,” in which a cold surface layer lies atop a subsurface warmer layer. The cold surface layer promotes more sea ice growth atop open water, while the warm lower layer sneaks beneath that ice and continues to melt submerged ice shelves, which plunge deep into the water at the fringes of the continent.”
If we’re already seeing more sea ice because of this, isn’t all that testable now? Is there evidence of melted “submerged ice shelves”? The “stratification”?
Theories are great. Then you need to create a hypothesis and test it.
They are full of shhhhh with all that meltwater stuff. The glaciers and shelves meltwater amounts to around 50 gigatons during the summer, and the sea ice is 35,000 gigatons in the winter. Ridiculous. And the extra ice forms 1000 miles from the continent, on the opposite side of the donut from where the meltwater was 6 months earlier. There are no words to describe the profound depths of their stupidity.
or it could just be darn cold down there, !
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He needs to get a few years on Rikers Island
…or perhaps farming on another island-Greenland.
A lichens farmer?
Send him to Antarctica.
“He also thinks ice expansion will continue…along with ice melt…”
Wow! It’s a win-win! If it melts, he predicted it; if it freezes and gets bigger, he predicted it. Talking about hedging your bets…Part of the prediction process is acknowledging and accepting the risk involved, namely being WRONG. If a person cannot accept this risk then they are not qualified to predict ANYMORE because it becomes obvious it isn’t about the accuracy of the prediction, but about them and maintaining their pseudo intellectual status.
Michael Crichton said it best: “I never thought that the notion that we CAN’T predict the future was a novel idea…[until he encountered fundamentalism in global warming movement]”
Michael Crichton had always ascribed to global warming/climate change until he did 3 years of intense research on his own. He then realized that it was a mechanism of fear for control and his book, “State of Fear”, was the result – for which he was summary drawn and quartered.
He reasoned, as a political [and likely religious] agnostic, that the need for dogmatic fundamentalism is innate in humanity and if not defined and contains within a church, synagogue, or temple it would float away and attach itself to something else. He further reasoned that there is nothing more damaging to the environment than this because active participants enter into the subject with a dogma and a closed mind; doing things that don’t work or are destructive because they believe in it.
Obvious, this is not all “quotations”, but you can listen to his interview with Beth Anderson on Audible.com.
Said the chronic shirt chaser to his wife, “just give me one more chance honey — you’ll see”.
OT but another sign of GLO-BULL warming http://www.theweathernetwork.com/news/articles/cold-front-brings-rare-july-snow-to-three-us-states/55018/
Did that cold pass through your neighborhood on its way south?
I was going to alert the Ice Age Now website, but of course they already had the news.
I guess so ….we were 6 on Tuesday morning but then it warmed up nicely to 22 by noon and so a great day to work outside without sweating like a pig. I’m in Tom Sawyer mode painting a fence and can’t seem to find any Hucks wondering by 🙁
I’ve never liked painting fences, especially picket fences. I’ve learned to estimate the time I think it will take, and then multiply by three.
Watch out for the fumes. One time I was painting where the wind didn’t reach, and I heard some beautiful music on a passing car’s radio. The car stopped, and when I walked over to see what the band playing the music was, I suddenly realized it wasn’t the radio. It was the engine.
I paint as little as I possibly can, these days.
Caleb:
An airless spray gun like a Wagner or Graco makes a world of difference. But take the time you estimate to clean the gun and multiply that by 3! Still your gonna be way ahead of the game for painting something like a picket fence if you have much to do.
James Hansen, AKA Tommy Flanagan…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkYNBwCEeH4
A bit of editing:
“Amplifying unproven feedbacks, including an unproven slowdown of the largely un-researched Southern ocean’s overturning circulation and un-predicted cooling of the near-Antarctic ocean surface with un-predicted increasing sea ice, may or might or could spur (add different sciencey-sounding meaningless word here) growth of Antarctic ice sheet mass loss, or it may not.”
So if the ice expands, Jimmy is right, and we’re all doomed. And if the ice doesn’t expand, Mikey is right, and we’re all doomed.
Obviously, our only chance at survival is to make sure the Antarctic sea ice extent stays exactly as it is today. Forever. Then we’ll be fine.
^^ Should have read:
“And if the ice contracts, Mikey is right…”
in any other professional field shysters like hansen would have been fired and found themselves unemployable a long,long ,time ago. the fact he actually made it to retirement tells us ll we need to know about the people employing him to promote alarmism.
hansen will be remembered historically,along with mann et al, but perhaps not in the way they would have hoped.
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The Godfather of Global Warming can’t pay his gambling debt (dire predictions). He’s asking for more time for his horse to win.
Are there any readers here from New York? Could you report on the status of the West Side Highway ? If global warming is even worse than Jimmy’s old predictions, then I have to assume the West Side Highway is already under water. Is there tape on all the windows that were blown out because of high winds? What kinds of trees do you have there now?
Do you even have more traffic now? Or did he blow the whole prediction?
Nope! still there and dry as a bone: http://nylivecam.com/West-Side-Highway.php
The West Side Highway still s*cks to drive on during rush hour. No water. Just lots of cars and potholes.