Polar Ocean Scam Update

So far, everyone who has asked the Polar Ocean crew if they are being accompanied by an icebreaker has been blocked. I was blocked by another crew member today for asking “Ben, are you being accompanied by an icebreaker through the Northeast Passage?”

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They are headed directly into hundreds of miles of ice which is not melting.

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Tracking – The Polar Ocean Challenge

The Northeast Passage has been persistently cloudy all month. The ice concentration where they are headed is close to 100%

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Numerous people have asked them if the are being accompanied by an icebreaker, and all have been blocked. They won’t answer that question, and instead keep posting global warming propaganda.

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They have zero chance of getting through without an icebreaker. It has become abundantly clear that these people are attempting to defraud the public about the state of Arctic ice.

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70 Responses to Polar Ocean Scam Update

  1. Ralph says:

    Fraud seems to be the recourse for the “true believers” of global warming/climate change/climate disruption/extreme weather to get their religious message across.

  2. Bloke down the pub says:

    Perhaps the more pertinent question is, do they expect someone to send an ice breaker to come looking for them should they get trapped by the ice while seeking a route through? I hope they have a good insurance policy.

    • steve ridge says:

      More reasonable and pertinent perhaps.

      But the intent is actually to taint the mission by spreading the misconception that an ice breaker made it possible. On this count it’s better to pester the explorers and then claim you’re blocked to fan the flames of ignorance.

  3. Olaf Koenders says:

    Let’s bomb ’em with icebreaker queries.. Anyone got a bot for that..?

    They’ll eventually have to either get rescued or die like all the other morons before them. It’ll take a while but I can’t wait. Maybe Reggie will help ’em out..?

  4. AndyG55 says:

    Their plotted path goes through Vilkitsky Strait, currently full of 1 to 2+m sea ice.

    Good luck with that !!

  5. CheshireRed says:

    So an easy question answerable by a simple ‘yes’ or ‘no’ gets anyone who asks it blocked? It tells you so much about how touchy they are on the subject because blocking people for asking a perfectly relevant question is not a normal reaction, especially when they WANT folks to engage with them.
    They’re sailing into the Arctic circle to highlight the effects of ‘global warming’ on sea ice so why wouldn’t people ask about sea ice? Oh…hold on a second…I wonder if there’s something up there they DON’T want to tell us about?! Could it possibly be… :-0

    • steve ridge says:

      They’re smart not to fan the flames of any campaign to taint their mission with bogus rumors of ice breakers.

      That’s what I would do: don’t respond, block, and ignore.

      • AndyG55 says:

        BLOCK.. Yep, they are blocked.

        Vilkitsky Strait , Latnev sea

        They sure are BLOCKED. !!

        Only way through will be with that mythical ice breaker they DENY is waiting in in the wings.

        • AndyG55 says:

          Typo…

          Laptev Sea.

          Currently LOTS of sea ice.

          Impassable without an ice breaker.

          Its going to be full on hilarity when they have to turn back to Murmansk. :-)

      • AndyG55 says:

        “They’re smart not to fan the flames of any campaign to taint their mission with bogus rumors of ice breakers.”

        By BLOCKING anyone that asks, they are doing exactly what you say they are trying not to do.

        The TAINT/STINK is coming through loud and clear.

        There’s that BLOCKING word again..
        …they will find it a great description of the sea ice as their journey starts AND FINISHES before reaching the Laptev Sea.

      • AndyG55 says:

        Thing that really worries me is that they apparently have a Russian drunk as a captain, egged on by a bunch of arrogant/ignorant alarmist troughers.

        This could easily end up a lot messier than the Turney debacle !!

      • Beale says:

        I’m sure you would.

  6. CheshireRed says:

    PS…What’s the odds on a ‘delay’ or ‘rescheduling’ due to ‘unexpected technical difficulties’?

  7. Jim Hunt says:

    It’s bleedin’ obvious they’re not accompanied by an icebreaker. There is no ice where they are! I suggest you guys stop asking such stupid questions if you don’t want to get blocked.

    Perhaps you could try asking Christopher Monckton a question on my behalf instead?

    http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2016/07/northabouts-great-adventure/#Jul-23

    The “totalitarian propaganda expedition” he refers to is not in actual fact “holed up in Murmansk”</i

    • Mr GrimNasty says:

      Pedantry doesn’t win an argument.

      There’s ice where they’re headed and it’ll take a lot of luck to find a way through without a breaker, so it’s a fair question. If a breaker is used at all it defeats the expeditions stated goal – they could have likely done the same thing with the same modern navigation tech. and equipment any year last century.

      As for Murmansk, correct at the time of writing I expect.

    • R. Shearer says:

      Mr. Hunt, your conclusion is illogical. Just because they are currently travelling in an ice-free region does not exclude the possibility of an ice breaker being in the vicinity.

      In any case, as the map and Tony’s comments communicate, the question concerns the point at which they meet ice.

    • tonyheller says:

      Only a complete moron would not understand the question. Enter Jim. Perhaps he thinks the Northeast Passage is ice-free?

    • AndyG55 says:

      There’s that CON site of Jimbo’s.

      the one that is (to quote Jimbo’s own words) a

      “TOTALLY MISREPRESENTATION OF THE ARCTIC SEA ICE STORY”

    • steve ridge says:

      Everyone here knows there’s no icebreaker. It’s theater and they’re hoping to taint the mission. Memes in the denialosphere don’t require a sliver of evidence, only a cadre of committed liars.

      • E.M.Smith says:

        You’ve asserted this same empty smear a few time now. Repetition has not improved it.

        Lacking any answer from the ship or sponsor base site there is no way to know, so nothing obvious at all about ice breakers.

        I’d speculate any ice breaker would be kept working at the ice, taking through groups of shipping at a time for best economics, but that is only speculation.

        I’d also expect the Captain to know how to call for an ice breaker and for rescue, when needed; so a simple answer from them of ‘No, but they can be called in an emergency as for all shipping on the Northeast Passage’ would both end the question, while pointing out the silly factor …IMHO, of course.

        That this has not been done shows thin skinned organizers at best, deception at worst, reality probably somewhere in the middle.

        • Jim Hunt says:

          At the risk of repeating myself, there is no icebreaker. They are still in the Barents Sea, where there is no ice.

          If you bothered to read their web site you would no doubt note that, as Lawrenec13 has already pointed out, it states:

          We are under sail, so saving fuel, and will find a small island to shelter until we get improvements.

          Perhaps you might desist from further “empty smears” yourself?

          • AndyG55 says:

            “will find a small island to shelter until we get improvements.”

            And wait for an ice breaker to just happen along…

            … after a phone call or two .

  8. gator69 says:

    What saints! I’m so glad to hear that these heroes are sailing the ice filled Arctic to bring attention to the over seven million innocent people starved to death every year by the climate alarmists.

    Godspeed!

  9. Robertv says:

    According to this page the ship is still in a Russian port.

    http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:27/centery:69/zoom:6

  10. T Scott says:

    Blocking legitimate questions shows how narrow and blinkered and weak their arguements are.

  11. papagiorgio says:

    they update the “Expedition Preparation Timeline” hide the fact that they’re behind schedule. If you look on their site, it says leg 2 of the expedition was set to start on July 20th,
    http://polarocean.co.uk/calendar/
    but if you lookup the cached page, it says leg was scheduled for July 13th.
    https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://polarocean.co.uk/calendar/

    Now:
    http://imgur.com/J0ZJ1jt
    Before:
    http://imgur.com/NaIeh8P

  12. etudiant says:

    They can wait it out.
    The lows for arctic ice are still more than a month away, so just dawdle for a while until the route clears, announce ‘technical issues’ have forced a delay.
    Nobody is looking right now anyway, waiting till the UN session is imminent is better.

  13. AndrewS says:

    If by some slim chance they are not relying on an ice-breaker(s), the route would be very long and circuitous, following coastlines. Seems they would also run the risk of running aground sailing so close to shores.

  14. Margaret Berger says:

    I wonder if there is any public access to information on ocean traffic . What I mean is airplanes have to file flight plans. Do ships have to file voyage plans too? If so might information on the names of vessels in the area be available.

  15. idbkiwi says:

    Hmmm, it certainly is interesting that their reported position doesn’t reconcile with satellite, but hey, who knows…maybe the data isn’t updated often enough, but anyway here’s a screenshot from 10.00am NZT (GMT+11h) today 24 July.

  16. Lawrenec13 says:

    I think the thing that sums up this zealousness to exaggerate AGW is the rational for this mission, which is to bemoan the lack of sea ice yet when when David Hempleman-Adams writes his update this morning it was now bemoaning too much ice

    “Partly checked the new ice charts on http://www.nsra.ru we still have no chance of getting through yet, not past the cape or through the Laptev sea. Nikolai, Our Russian Captain who is very familiar with this route, impresses on me that this is a very unusual year and normally clear, Not what I want to hear. We are under sail, so saving fuel, and will find a small island to shelter until we get improvements. We are still 5 days from the ice, so lets hope for some southerly winds to push the ice from shore.”

    These people are nutters- too little ice a tragedy and too much ice even a bigger tragedy.

    • bit chilly says:

      yes, a very strange quote. the russian captain says the route is “normally clear” so why would no ice be highlighting something unusual ?

      • AndyG55 says:

        Russian ice chart

        orange is >70% sea ice.

        The first region they reach is circled in blue.

        Time to “Rent an Ice-Breaker”

        ps, I rotated it so it matches the DMI orientation.

      • AndyG55 says:

        Here is the equivalent DMI, slightly different days though.

        As you can see, its highly unlikely they will find a way through

      • Jim Hunt says:

        Long time no see Chilly! How’s tricks?

        I think Nikolai is overstating his case somewhat, but last year the Vilkitsky Strait had certainly opened up by now:

        https://youtu.be/KAbAKTyjfhI

        • AndyG55 says:

          This year it isn’t.. is it bozo.!

          As you well know, Arctic sea ice levels are STILL anomalously high compared to most of the Holocene.

          Lots of seas ice in the way.. and even more next year.

          The RECOVERY from the near LIA levels of 1979 are basically over, mores the pity.

          The people living up there could sure do with one heck of a lot LESS sea ice.

        • AndyG55 says:

          As you say Jimbo, there’s LOTS more sea ice this year than last, especially around the Vilkitsky and Laptev area.

          • AndyG55 says:

            And nearly everywhere else.

            Thanks for mentioning that. ;-)

          • Jim Hunt says:

            The Laptev Sea is currently above what passes for “normal” sea ice area these days. Nowhere else in the Arctic is.

          • RAH says:

            Even “normal” or a little below “normal” will not be good enough unless the wind comes to their assistance. Like I said before, luck has as much to do with it as anything.

            Reality is there is no “normal” only an average based upon a very short record. A record that the more foolish among us take to be the gospel about how things usually are or will be.

          • AndyG55 says:

            “Normal” for the current interglacial would certainly allow them to pass.

            As you well know, ( but are too cowardly to admit) Arctic Sea Ice levels are still VERY HIGH compared to those of most of the last 10,0000 years.

            Only the most recent, and very much the coldest, few hundred years, have seen such high levels of Arctic sea ice as we still have now.

        • Lawrenec13 says:

          I think its really odd that your pals will be devastated if they can’t prove the ice has disappeared . You would think that the fact the ice is abnormally thick on that coastline would be a triumph for Gaia and their website would be jubilant that those cuddly polar bears have been granted a reprieve. What odd times we live in.

          • gator69 says:

            These are the same people who starve 21,000 innocent humans every single day, for their warped religion. The times are not near as odd as these “people” who cry over melting/not melting ice, and yet allow children to suffer horrible deaths needlessly.

            Jim is one of those sick bastards.

          • Jim Hunt says:

            What leads you to believe that “my pals will be devastated if they can’t prove the ice has disappeared”?

            Assuming that you’re referring to “the Polar Ocean crew” then I’ve never spoken to any of them, let alone met them.

            What’s more their stated objective is “to increase the world’s attention on the effects of Arctic climate change”, not “to prove there isn’t any ice in the Arctic”.

            That bit’s just Tony’s “interpretation”, presumably of the part that says “We will be demonstrating that the Arctic sea ice coverage shrinks back so far now in the summer months that sea that was permanently locked up now can allow passage through”?

          • AndyG55 says:

            ““to increase the world’s attention on the effects of Arctic climate change”, ”

            They will probably manage to do the Turney trick, and further increase the world’s growing realisation that “climate change™” is a major CON job.

            This could turn out even more of a MASSIVE PROPAGANDA FAILURE than the Turkey boat.

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