the North West Passage has already frozen behind us. So as it turns out we went through a very short window. The V Strait closed almost as soon as we went through, the same was true of Barrow. So despite the very obvious melting that’s been happening we were lucky to get through.
For climate alarmists, freezing means melting. The were held up for over a month by excess ice in the Northeast Passage, and only got through because a storm pushed the ice off-shore. Then they raced to get through the Northwest Passage, and made it by a matter of hours before it froze up.
Their conclusion : “very obvious melting”
According to Jimbo, they pre-planned to use the very most Southern route possible.
WHY would they do that if they really thought the ice was declining?
Surely the best low ice route would be this one?
Still waiting for Jimbo’s reason for them choosing the route they did…
so far…. Nada, Zippo. !!
Soros’s paycheck is a little late this month….he’ll be here as soon as it’s deposited.
He’s prattling about other things at the moment
Deflecting and avoiding answering… as usual.
At the risk of repeating myself repeating myself repeating myself. “It’s bleedin’ obvious”:
You tell me how many times the route you helpfully suggest has been traversed during a “polar circumnavigation” by any vessel, let alone by a small yacht.
Thank you for CONFIRMING that they picked that most southern route because they knew beforehand that the other ones would be IMPASSABLE.
I thought the whole aim was to prove that sea ice was declining. Not that the most southerly route was passable again for the first time in something like 100 years.
Now take both feet out of your mouth, Jimbo, before you choke on them.
Please stop putting words in my mouth Andy. The words I virtually uttered were:
That’s the route that’s most likely to be “ice free”.
Just like the route SOUTH of Novaya Zemlya was most likely to be “ice free”.
Do you understand the difference between CERTAINTY and PROBABILITY? Or not?
Anecdotally if this were a g u n fight the sea ice alarmists would’ve fired all of their bullets, reloaded several times and declared their intended victim (the Arctic sea ice) de ad. But as they congratulate themselves on their marksmanship the Arctic sea ice as it always does rises and walks up to the alarmists and s l a ps them upside the head and a puff of freezing wind.
Here’s a “projection” I’ll make. Come next melt season a certain group of Arctic ice gunslingers will be all a twitter with melt pond dreams and as they like to call them GAC’s (great arctic cyclones) along with mega dipoles and winds streaming down the Fram Strait. It’s the end they’ll say! This year is the “Black Swan” event for sure! And if not this year then next for sure.
“That’s the route that’s most likely to be “ice free”.”
you have just confirmed EVERY point I am making..
Do you have cheese for brains !!!.
They knew because there was still so much sea ice, that the most southerly route was the ONLY one they might have a chance to get through.
Turned out to be correct, hey. ;-)
How many feet can you stuff in your mouth at once, particularly after what you have trodden in.
Evidently you have no understanding of probability, or of the fact that other routes were certainly not impassable. Take for example:
“According to the definitive reference on such matters by Bob Headland of the Scott Polar Research Institute she is the first vessel ever to do so using route West 7”
Eventually you will realise that YOU have told everybody that they picked that route because they KNEW the other routes were not viable because of too much sea ice.
You are not helping heir cause one little bit , Jimbo.
HIGHLIGHTING their propaganda stunt.
Please keep going though. You can only do even worse. :-)
The other routes of Amundsen and Larsen were totally impassable..
you know that, so stop deflecting.
You know that Polar bound used an even more southerly route… which incidentally was ALSO blocked and impassable by Northabout.
Probability = “maybe” they could get through on the route they picked.
Probability = “ZERO” they could have get through on any other route.
Thanks for AGAIN making my point for me.
You are doing a wonderful job of backing up my arguments.. Thanks :-)
You make this so, so easy.
Maybe you should “call a friend” before commenting further.
Because you really are looking like a monumental GOOSE !!!
Once again great to know they are following in the footsteps of the great Hudson Bay company who used the same route back in the 30s without modern navigational aids.
How about 1903?
The actual path was even further south, due to an uncooperative ice-free arctic.
Looks very much like the route taken by the Crystal Serenity, pretty much the only possible route this year, and only open for a little while.
Not so Steve. See above:
At the time, that Northabout was in the region, the route through Fury was TOTALLY IMPASSABLE.
The satellite sea ice charts would have told them that.
Ben even commented that if the got blocked off they would have to got back to Cambridge Bay for winter.
Thanks again, Jimbo, for helping to bring this fact to light.
Poor Jimbo, have you ever notice that the more you post, the deeper and deeper your hole gets. ;-)
I have noticed that you supply lots of capital letters but no evidence to support them.
Poor Jimbo, he’s now in TOTAL DENIAL.
10th Sept, no way through Fury.
Keep digging, Jimbo.. its fun watching the slimy mud dropping back down on you
At the risk of repeating myself:
September 16th. Totally impassable? Not!
What was your point about deep holes again?
I am proud of that kid, Ben. Despite being subjected to enough propaganda to brainwash Goebbles, he could not lie when the chips were down! I imagine when he gets home, he will be taken to the woodshed by his dad.
He’s not totally brain-washed yet..
Give them time.
I think kids raised with chronic conditions like his have a tendency to be more in touch with reality. I’m just amazed he went on the trip. That took a lot of fortitude especially with that particular problem. Amazing young man.
thank goodness for modern navigational aids.
The Poley bears are crying because they missed that nice easy meal of long pig.
The fact that they made the circumpolar voyage by the skin of their teeth will not matter as time passes. What will matter is that their ACTUAL SUCCESS will be brandished as proof that Global Warming/Climate Change is happening. Their stunt has succeeded. They have won the propaganda war and their victory will be broadcast loud and clear and wide me thinks.
[They have won the propaganda war and their victory will be broadcast loud and clear and wide me thinks.] Only within their comfy little denial zone. It’ll be big news on all the sites that have ZERO or heavily restrict comment policies. They wouldn’t what the truth to be heard.
True, of course it will be broadcast as proof of anthropogenic global warming.
It’s been shown there is no event on Earth that cannot be tied to rising CO2. Heat, cold, drought, floods, wind, lack of it, earthquakes, high tides, workers sluggish and gangsters hyperactive during heat waves, frogs not jumping high enough, Ben wearing t-shirts in Murmansk and polar bears eating Russian scientists.
And if things were not bad enough, look what global warming did to Jim Hunt.
“….And if things were not bad enough, look what global warming did to Jim Hunt.”
Oh Brother… bite tongue, bite tongue, bite tongue….
(I really do not want to be banned.)
Nothing will ever change the fact that these people never completed East or Wesdt passages. The hoot and holler about it but they should be doing backflips that they were lucky enough to do a circumnavigation.
Oh and the North Atlantic this time of year can be merciless
Perfect storm anyone?
Let’s just wish them a safe passage.
The North Atlantic in a small yacht is somewhere I wouldn’t plan to find myself on purpose in late September.
“After Upernavik Northabout will head for Nuuk further south in Greenland and then across the North Atlantic back to Bristol, where she started her voyage back in June. It is certainly not beyond the bounds of possibility that there will be winds of 30 knots and more to contend with on that final leg of the Polar Ocean Challenge!”
That time of year in the N Atlantic, they should probably accept 30 knots and 12′ seas as the norm and they really shouldn’t have passengers on board.
In this image, the red line shows the probability of 12’seas at all times of year.
Truth will not be denied. I really do appreciate the guts of these fellows, (though their politics perhaps not so much). But that is why we avoid talking about religion and politics, is it not? And that is why we stick to nice, safe subjects, like “the weather,” is it not?
Truth will not be denied. All these polar adventurers leak out the actual conditions they battle through. We see the ice, that otherwise would be denied by the very people who call me a “denier.”
As the years have gone by I have gone by I have come to appreciate the actual people who go up there and have to deal with actual conditions. They have to deal with what is. Truth will not be denied.
If you bother to keep records, these adventurers give you actual data about where ice is and where it isn’t. No matter how much faith they may have in certain political beliefs, they cannot use their faith to walk on open water yet, and polar adventurers tell us much about where the open water was in 2006 (a year of “much ice”) as opposed to 2016 (a year of “little ice.”) Guess which year saw the adventurers skiing the “final degree” complain more about leads of open water? Truth will not be denied.
Therefore I say, “Viva La Adventurers!” Let them play in their crazy way in places wise men do not go. Pasty-faced Climate Scientist dweebs tweaking a virtual reality at computers haven’t a clue what is really happening outdoors, but Truth will not be denied, and the adventurers are not dweebs.
The worst Alarmists can attempt is to erase the past, deleting data and even the reports of polar adventurers, but the internet never forgets, and Truth will not be denied.
By the way, the Barrow webcam shows no cozy Arctic Sea, though days are still longer than nights. Truth will not be denied.
And check it out a day later. Of interest is the berg grounded and exposed by the retreating tide on the shore to the left. Big sucker. That is something I’ve noticed in areas where the ice is less than 15% coverage (and therefore appears as “ice free” on some maps.) The remaining chips of ice are often not swiftly melting slush, but rather big bergs.
Also note the fringe of ice along the very distant horizon. You can zoom in at the Barrow Webcam Site:
Gail is despondent that arctic adventurers didn’t die. AndyG55 is convinced that the Northabout crew planned to traverse the Fury and Helca straits. Tony thinks that Obama’s birthplace is a problem. No wonder that this site is confused and deluded. How about science and rational thinking? Not engineering expertise and meteorological platitudes?
“AndyG55 is convinced that the Northabout crew planned to traverse the Fury and Helca straits”
Your comprehension skills are seriously lacking, as usual.
Exactly the opposite. They knew well before they were in Bellot Strait that they could never get through that way, even if their planned route was blocked.
Ben said it was “back to Cambridge Bay for winter”
I fear you will find science and rational thinking to be sadly lacking in here mogur.
Platitudes on the other hand….
“rational thinking to be sadly lacking ”
Especially when Jimbo is ranting.
Zero science.. just PROPAGANDA PAP.
At the risk of repeating myself ad nauseam, here’s a load of AMSR2 data on the sea ice in the Northwest Passage this summer, packaged in an easy to digest form especially for you Andy:
You are nauseam.
When will you ADMIT that EVERY other route was closed to them..
Everybody knows that, except you.
Again, Jimbo, WHY , if they really wanted to show that sea ice was declining, didn’t they take the most direct route, rather than skulk around the most southern route,
Heck they didn’t even use Amundsen’s route or Larsen’s 1944 route, because they KNEW IN ADVANCE that neither would be passable.
Admit the TRUTH, for once in your LYING, MISERABLE life.
Still trying to get visits to your putrid propaganda YouTube links… WHY are you so, so lonely !!!
By the way, AndyG55, how did your prediction work out?
WAY closer than Wadhams. Thanks. :-)
You, sir are an idiot. They never planned a route that was blocked. Just click on the ‘route’ that they published before the expedition. It was through Bellot Straits and , and they never entertained the idea that they would venture through Boothia Sound or the Fury and Helca straits. Why you would claim that is incomprehensible to me. Other than you want to disparage them.
I know they didn’t.. You are a moron.
It was Jimbo pointing to Hecla/Fury..
I was just pointing out they could not have gone that way even if they needed to.
You seriously have very limited comprehension skill, don’t you, little worm.
Jim Hunt claimed that they wanted to transverse Fury and Helca Strait? Even if he said that (and I doubt it), why would you hold the adventurers to what he said? And why would I have comprehension difficulties for something that someone else said about their journey? You are grasping, my friend. They made it, and like other adventurers before them, they encountered difficulty. They did not express the idea that they wouldn’t encounter ice, quite the opposite. They hoped that in spite of obstacles, they would have the good fortune of completing their journey. Your assumption that they thought that the arctic was completely ice free, was only in your own imagination. You want to believe that everyone that disagrees with you is an idiot. That, my friend, is absurd.
You poor little ZERO COMPREHENSION worm.
I never said they were going anywhere near Fury.. I said exactly the opposite.
I said that they KNEW it was not an option.. end of story.
“You want to believe that everyone that disagrees with you is an idiot. ”
No, but you certainly are.
Now perhaps you can explain why , if they really thought sea ice was declining, they picked the most southerly route.
Why not follow Larsen’s 1944 route, or even better, Amundsen’s?
You have to admit that if they “really believed” sea ice was declining, and wanted to prove it, then this is the route they would have chosen.
The real fact is that they were very fortunate that their planned route through the NW Passage was the ONLY route that was actually passable to them.
Every other route was blocked by sea ice.
But you know, just like they knew m that Fury was CLOSED TO THEM
Ben admitted as much. “Back to Cambridge Bay if we can’t get through”
You cannot spin your slimy way past the TRUTH this time, Jimbo.
Oh what fun! Andy says:
“They picked the most southerly route.”
Oh no they didn’t! That would have taken them through Fury & Hecla Strait. Would it not?
In case you are unaware of the fact, passage through Fury & Hecla Strait is notoriously difficult. This year small vessels were flying through it faster than you can get around Hyde Park Corner. Metaphorically speaking of course.
Here’s another one:
Come on Jimbo.. why didn’t they choose the ZERO SEA ICE ROUTE as depicted above..
Maybe because they KNEW it would NEVER be passable to them
Face the TRUTH, little propaganda worm.
Something you have NEVER been able to do.
They knew that Fury was CLOSED TO THEM
Ben admitted as much. “Back to Cambridge Bay if we can’t get through Lawrence” or words to that affect.”
You cannot spin your slimy way past the TRUTH this time, Jimbo.
Why are YOU pushing this Fury/Hecla route that Meagre thinks I brought up.
Again, you have just proved every argument I have put forward.
I hope your socks are tasty.
Here’s today’s CIS ice chart for Fury & Hecla Strait.
Wotta lotta ice!
Today? how the f*** is that relevant to the Northabout, mr s*** for brains.
No doubt you will work it out in due course?
Had you noticed that Lancaster Sound isn’t refreezing yet either?
Can you hear all those crickets?
Fury was unpassable at the time they were in the area.
They knew that
GET OVER IT. !!
Okay, other than the fact that 2016 arctic ice was the second lowest in recorded history, they made it through, with difficulty.
“Before leaving on the Franklin expedition, both Erebus and Terror underwent heavy modifications for the journey. They were both outfitted with steam engines, taken from ex London and Greenwich Railway steam locomotives. Rated at 25 horsepower (19 kW), each could propel its ship at 4 knots (7.4 km/h). Iron plating was added to the fore and aft of the ships’ hulls to make them more resistant against the pack ice in the Arctic. Their decks were also cross-planked to make it more resistant against impact forces.”
“Amundsen set about remedying the deficiencies in Gjøa that the trip had exposed. He had a 13 horsepower single-screw marine paraffin motor installed (she had hitherto been propelled only by sail, and had proved to be sluggish). Much of the winter was spent upgrading her ice sheathing; Amundsen knew she would spend several winters iced-in.”
“St. Roch was made primarily of thick Douglas-fir, with very hard Australian “ironbark” eucalyptus on the outside, and an interior hull reinforced with heavy beams to withstand ice pressure during her Arctic duties. St. Roch was designed by Tom Hallidie and was based on Roald Amundsen’s ship the Maud. An 150 horsepower motor was replaced in 1944 with a 300 horsepower diesel engine that carried the St. Roch westward to the first crossing of the NW passage in a single season.”
Your idea that the early arctic explorers had no benefit of fossil fuels is completely stupid and debunked.
Okay, other than the fact that 2016 arctic ice was the second lowest in recorded history…
Okay, other than the fact that the “Arctic” in your “arctic ice” should be spelled with a capital A, how long is your “recorded history”?
I will give you considerable time to ponder on my query, as you obviously require that. Maybe you will discover another geologice epoch in the meantime.
The yapper hasn’t heard of the AMO, the LIA, neoglaciation or the Holocene optimum.
Or has very poor comprehension and understanding issues.
WILFUL IGNORANCE is my guess.
What on Earth has any of that got to do with whether the crew of Northabout were “lucky” or not in the summer of 2016?
So you now admit they were “lucky” to get through so much sea ice
Thanks again for backing up my arguments, Jimbo. :-)
I admit nothing of the sort. Perhaps you could answer my question above? And this one:
Can you hear those crickets chirping again?
You have about 10 things to admit about Arctic sea ice, before I need bothering answering a single one of your stupid questions.
Waiting for you to EVER tell the TRUTH, as we have been for a couple of years.
But your LIES continue.
At the risk of repeating myself repeating myself repeating myself, if you want to discuss “the AMO, the LIA, neoglaciation or the Holocene optimum” ask Tony to publish a “guest post” of yours.
Now back to those crickets.
“What on Earth has any of that got to do with whether the crew of Northabout were “lucky” or not in the summer of 2016?”
So you continue your total unwillingness to do any simple learning on your own behalf.
You truly are a sad little specimen, Jimbo.
And yes, I’ve already agreed they got lucky.
They manage to pick the ONLY route that was passable to them at the time.
If they wanted to prove there was diminished sea ice , they needed to go through the main NW Passage past Melvillie Island,
But they didn’t even try the route Larsen took in 1944, instead, they skulked around the southern edges, because they knew well in advance that it would be the ONLY way to get through.
Straw Man with added codswallop.
Can you see the diminishing sea ice?
In spite of your continual harping, the early Holocene may have been warmer. But that does not mean that the current warming is irrelevant. I don’t want to see you in your underwear, but you seem to want to show us. EWWWW.
Current warming is relevant, its lifted us out of the coldest period in 10,00 years.
Now stop licking your bum, little chihuahua
I notice they did what most people do after every winter – no matter how bad it was, come spring, they always say “we didn’t get that much snow this winter, did we?” (Fortunately photos do a better job of keeping the record.) The East coast seemed to forget about the horrific winter they had 2 years ago when Boston got hit so hard and Gina McCarthy was in CO for the Xgames and they were all screaming “Protect our Winters!” They were all crying about the mild winter last year – til they got smacked with 20some inches of snow. I’m sure that’s a short memory now, too. There was no place to comment on the leader of the expedition’s commentary, so unfortunately, no one could point him back to when they were stuck in the ice and their two Russian crew members managed to get them out.
When the (ice) chips were down and (more especially) when the seas were up, I can’t help but think that around half the crew became little more than passengers.
What makes you think that Sara?
Repeated mentions of somewhat incapacitating seasickness after weeks at sea and they haven’t even encountered any really big waves yet.
Well they certainly weren’t manning the sales over that last bit from Cambridge bays, were they.
Full on motor driven, no sails, and from some of the speeds indicated, probably with the two outboards working flat out as well.