Trenberth is trying to blame a lightning storm in LA on carbon dioxide.
“On the West Coast,” Trenberth said, “you don’t have the complex vertical structure and wind shear typically associated with lightning storms.”
But a changing climate may alter those weather patterns, making such “freak” occurrences more common. California’s historic drought, for example, has the potential to set up conditions for extreme weather. “With the drought, the contrast between the ocean and land is much greater than it otherwise would be,” said Trenberth. “It’s those contrasts that can help set up circulation and make the weather a little bit more vigorous than it otherwise would be.
Lightning at Venice Beach? California faces really weird – and deadly – weather — The Daily Climate
During the summer of 1939, LA was 107 degrees with lightning and hail. CO2 was 310 PPM at the time.
Excellent response to Trenberth
Facts usually are.
Reblogged this on the WeatherAction Blog and commented:
Poor Kevin may have stopped taking his meds. Bizarre!
The impact of carbon dioxide on climate change may have been overstated, with solar activity giving a better explanation of changes in the Earth’s temperature, according to Chinese scientists.
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/07/29/Solar-Activity-Could-Cause-Global-Warming-New-Paper-Says
The paper: http://csb.scichina.com:8080/kxtb/CN/abstract/abstract514043.shtml
Excellent one Tony … you know the lying scum alarmists are just shovelling more and more BS when they think it is okay to spout total crap like this with no fact checking for past occurrences. All weather is now climate change and we are doomed. The sky will be the next to fall!
If Trenberth keeps this up, he’ll soon be challenging Gav or Mikey as clueless nitwit fear mongering Glowball warming cheerleader of the year.
Steve,
I don’t know how you find these thing so quickly, but more power to your elbow.
“Lightning at Venice Beach? California faces really weird – and deadly – weather — The Daily Climate”. Weather has always been deadly
But lack of weather is worse.
The people back in 1939 must have been imagining it.
Don’t count 17+ years of no global warming, because it’s such a short period, just a ‘pause’. It only follows logically that a two hour period on July 28, 2014 in Los Angeles, California is a definitive indication of a climate pattern.
Climate is proportional to the inverse square of time according to Trenberth.
It very seldom rains during the summer in southern California, so it is almost always very dry there in late July. This year is no different that way than any other year. The man is full of BS!
I’m not aware of any direct part CO2 plays in convective thunderstorm genesis, nor any part it plays in ‘charge separation’ in the formation of lightning.
Well, if 1939 is too far back…how about not that long ago
http://cielogrande.net/?p=1410
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/Aug/11/palomar-mountain-lightning-strikes-spark-small/
thunder bumpers are very rare here (SoCal resident since ’59) but they are not unheard of.
mostly we see them when we get monsoonal weather, when the warm moist air comes up out of Mexico this way instead of heading east as usual, which is what we had the other day when the strike occurred.
this isn’t global warming, it’s just a rare, but regular, weather pattern for this area.
SAN FRANCISCO, Friday (AAP). – Two huge fires have merged in the scenic Big Sur wilderness of central California and blackened 19,420 hectares of bush and timber, the worst of more than 400 fires caused by freak lightning storms in the State, United Press International reports.
9 Aug 1977
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article110858479
ELECTRIC STORM IN THE UNITED STATES. A remarkable electric storm, extending the
entire width of the continent from Boston to San Francisco, prevailed during Friday night November 17.
27 Jan 1883
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article71705429
Kinda tough to maintain ‘convection’ over the Rocky Mountain Range though … back in 1883 it may have seemed like it spanned the continent though.
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Forest officials report that careless campers and also lightning have caused many of the outbreaks. In California alone 332 fires have crentod a smoke pall over the mountains and valleys. The outbreaks began last week, after a heavy electrical storm swept the Cascade and Sierra Nevada ranges.
21 July 1938
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article25496620
CO2 in the atmosphere in the Pre World War 2 era was much less active, had absorbed less heat and had not yet learned how to disrupt the climate. Now, they are rogue elements of atmosphere that are able to accelerate all weather phenomenon. CO2 can speed up hurricanes and tornadoes, increase the voltage and frequency of static electrical discharge, create more and less rain, create more and less heat and create more and more hubris, tax syphoning, and finally that most disruptive of all climate phenomenon – the media storm.
So basically what Tragedy Trenbreth ,the Dennis Weaver lookalike, is selling is the dream that weather would be benign and stable if it were not for man’s CO2 emissions. Nature apparently has some kind of covenant with mankind to never harm some random person and to always provide favorable conditions to man unless provoked. Funny I didn’t think that nature was actually a sentient being. Well that’s ‘science’ for ya.
Global warming causes normal weather
“The recent weeks of warm weather punctuated by sharp, thunderous storms are, according to the Met Office, pretty much what should be expected for this time of year and, across the land, nature is taking advantage of a return to order. Meadows are in full flower and abuzz with insects, fruit is abundant and ripening and birds are feasting on the bounty. In the fields, farmers are looking forward to a good harvest.
Scientists have suggested that global warming caused this shift, but only time will confirm or refute that idea.
“What makes this summer’s weather more noticeable is the run of cool, wet summers from 2007 to 2012,” said Mike Kendon, at the Met Office’s national climate information centre.”
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jul/26/nature-recovers-in-traditional-summer?CMP=twt_gu
So, now we are taking action on carbon(sic) to stop normal weather?
Surely this is the tipping point of stupidity?
Do you really not understand that inland Los Angeles has a completely different climate than coastal Venice Beach? Castaic is up in the mountains. They get weather there all the time. I live in Venice Beach. Never in my life have I experienced such boring weather. And never before in my 24 years here have I seen lightning in July.