One of the standard excuses for the team to ignore Antarctic sea ice has been “the Arctic is losing sea ice much faster than the Antarctic has been gaining it.” As is normally the case with climate experts, they have no clue what they are talking about. The graph below shows Antarctic sea ice in red, and Arctic sea ice in green.
If you were to show the 30 years previous to 1979, the Arctic downward trend would look far less impressive.
Alas, the Arctic prior to 1979 is Terra Incognito to the “death spiral” crowd. They even get away with sweeping under the carpet, the 1973 to 1979 satellite record as Steven has posted previously. The satellite record from 1973 was shown in the 1990 IPCC FAR but was conveniently “lost” thereafter.
I wonder if there is an explanation for two features of this graph. First, there’s an obvious divergence of trends between the two hemispheres, which seems to be accelerating recently, and, second, the data seem to show an increase in volatility, beginning around 2005. I certainly don’t know what these features mean, but I have been wondering about them for a while.
Arctic sea ice got very thin after 2007, which caused the increase in range. Since 2011 the ice has been getting thicker, so the range should reduce.
Thanks, Steven.
Too little work into the role of geothermal heatflux variations beneath both Greenland and the WAIS in Antarctica http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2013NatGe…6..746P
The link above doesn’t seem to want to work so here is a new one http://nora.nerc.ac.uk/503004/ This critically important as glacial destabilisation occurs from the bottom and contributes to ocean warming
thanks, that link works.
Interesting article. Goes along with the findings of active volcanoes below the ice in Antarctica and below the sea in the Arctic.
your link is broken. can you at least give the title and author?
That’s interesting. Yesterday about 4:00PM I noticed a divergence in the amount of rain we had received in the previous 48 hours. By night fall the trend was rapidly accelerating. in volatility until at Midnight the bottom fell out. I also cut my grass the day before yesterday.
So my question is this, how much of this increased rainfall is the result of me and my lawnmower resupplying the atmosphere with Co2, and how much of the precipitation is the result of the natural variation in normal rain fall events?
I just checked with Al Gore. He said his team of twelve gardeners use riding tractors to mow his 12 acres of lawn, but yours must be turned over to the EPA. He said the Koch brothers secretly rigged all the mowers to produce extra CO2, so all of us with push mowers must be executed. Then he got in his private jet to head to Maui for lunch.
The Antarctic ice is increasing quite steadily since the middle of 2011, with no abnormal oscillations after that period. As Steve explained, the Arctic ice is “stabilizing” too since 2008 (there are *always* some oscillations, but not so strong as in 2007, for example), despite the lowering minimum up to 2012.
In my view, the present data clearly shows a cooling trend of both poles.
Thanks for these truthful reports!
Much like any-other Mandelbrot-fractal; a surplus in one place causes a deficit in another, a deficit in one place causes a surplus in another. The truth is that NOTHING can escape the earth’s spheres unless we put it on a spaces craft and send it away, and even then, it cannot escape the universe.
We are one big recycling center.
The warm water under the ice is melting the ice and because the ice that melts is fresh water that water freezes quicker than regular salt water because of course it has less salt, so what you are seeing is not ocean water freezing but fresh water in an ocean of salt water freezing….that warm water is very selective it only melts fresh water ice and refuses, that right refuse to help prevent that less salty water to freeze…The laws of Thermal dynamics are very, very tricky.
Yes, and according to all my information the way that salt water freezes is it freezes at the bottom of the ocean and then the ice crystals rise to the surface where they combine to form sea ice. That means that all that hot sea water on the bottom of the ocean is still VERY, VERY, VERY, COLD.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/10/121013-antarctica-sea-ice-record-high-science-global-warming/ must be right, its national geographic, nothing to see in the Antarctica just look at Greenland that’s where the worry should be
They know the solution: to do a “Mannian Flip” (flip it upside down).
Sorted.
As an old Cold Warrior I wonder if the technology used today to measure Polar sea ice from Space is the same technology once used to detect a surprise Russian ICBM launch. If so it is a poor system because it was built to detect concentrated plumes of heat and not vast areas of sub-freezing cold. I ask because the ice monitoring seems to be located beneath the same mountain in Colorado (Cheyenne Mountain) that housed the North American Command Center.
I do know that maybe up to 9 or 10 years ago a weather warrior named Gray issued a yearly North American hurricane forecast from Colorado. The first forecast I read started me to thinking, “WTF is someone in Colorado doing forecasting Hurricanes in the Caribbean?” It intrigued me so that every May I made it my yearly ritual to record Gray’s forecast and compare it to the yearly total of Tropical Storms. Before long I was also comparing Gray’s May tropical storm/Hurricane forecast to his June, July, August, September, October, and November excuses of why his May forecast missed the mark.
Then one day there was this little snippet in my newspaper retracting a story saying that all the shore fast sea in Northern Alaska and the Beaufort Sea had gone missing. It seems some Wag from Barrow, Alaska got wind of the story while sitting in his outhouse and he short waved the Associated Press, telling them to rest easy, that all of their wayward sea ice was safe and secure in his back yard. If I had been him I would also suggest to the climate scolds that in the future if they spay or neuter their ice it won’t go gallivanting all over the Artic. The amount of missing ice was on the order of the total land area of the state of California.
In the retraction there was some mumbo jumbo about the thigh bone not being connecter to the leg bone and that there was a serious global eye of newt shortage so it was logical that the ice center missed the mark so far. The real reason however was named as using technology designed to find boost phase ICBMs to measure sea ice. Steve, I think that your posters would love it if you could resurrect this “news” paper article or post a link to it. I know that I would. And our warming friends would hide their burning red faces in shame. Well at least some of them would.
Coming soon is our virtual eye of newt that we have made with co-operation of the climate GCM system engineers. Yes they are little different from real the real eye of newt but the smile grows on you (if you not careful). At least they never cloud over.
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Doesn’t AGW/CC/Algoreism theory say it would be just the opposite?