Global warming theory requires that the stratosphere cools, and it isn’t happening. There has been no stratospheric cooling since the dust settled after the 1993 eruption of Mt. Pinatubo.
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Why does CO2 create a GHE in the troposphere and anti-GHE in the stratosphere, mesosphere, and troposphere?
Meant to say “Why does CO2 create a GHE in the troposphere and anti-GHE in the stratosphere, mesosphere, and thermosphere?
Fewer molecules to CO2 to radiate, leaving less radiation scattered in a thinner atmosphere, net effect to have more thermal radiation escape the upper atmosphere, and cool it.
While I agree with your comment at 5:47 below, the 5:39 comment doesn’t make sense to me. More CO2 increases radiative surface area, just like putting a larger heat sink on your microprocessor increases radiative cooling. CO2 and NO are the primary cooling agents of the stratosphere-thermosphere, thus less CO2, less cooling. Even the AGW alarmists admit that – but for the stratosphere only, not troposphere.
Sorry I meant to say more CO2 in the upper atmosphere and less scattering of the radiation in a thinner atmosphere and eventually cooling it.
There isn’t an awful lot of radiation from a IC chip, they are cooled by conduction and convection enhanced by fins and usually include a heat pipe.
If you add an extra layer of insulation inside the outermost layer (for a body with a separate constant power input), the temperature of the outermost layer will be closer to ambient. This is true whether the insulation is conductive, convective, or radiative.
If you add an extra insulative layer around your water heater, the outside surface of the total insulation will be cooler – closer to ambient. For a constant power input, the water would be warmer (or for thermostatically controlled, the power input would be reduced).
In the case of the earth, there is no discernable increase in surface area when this happens. And the “ambient” temperature for the earth is that of deep space, close to absolute zero.
Careful, there is a critical insulation thickness for any cylinder or sphere.
Did you read my last paragraph?
It is obvious that even if GHG cooled the stratosphere, the radiation exchange between a cooling upper atmosphere and a warming lower atmosphere would INCREASE the heat transfer rate between the ground and the upper atmosphere (larger temperature difference => higher heat transfer rate).
The Earth exchanges radiant heat at night with a stratospheric temperature of about -70 deg.C. If this decreases, the heat transfer rate between upper and lower atmosphere increases, cooling the earth faster.
This was obvious to me at the age of 16, and the reason I thought everyone else would conclude that “global warming from a Greenhouse effect” was bunk.
I was wrong about the last part.
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There is virtually no radiation exchange between the troposphere and the stratosphere. There’s not enough density in the stratosphere and virtually no water vapor, so the troposphere radiates straight through the stratosphere (etc.) to deep space.
uhhh, why then is the temperature based on heat transfer measurement into the clear night -70 C
In my heat transfer courses, we were taught to consider the effective blackbody temperature of the clear night sky to be about -20C (with a range of 0C to -40C) for radiative heat transfer purposes. That is the range I typically get pointing an infrared thermometer at a clear night sky. It turns out that a simple kitchen infrared thermometer can give you a pretty good estimate of the humidity from its reading.
Well Curt, you and I used some different learning materials then, and I am referencing desert low humidity clear night and I am not going to sit here and argue with you.
I don’t have to. Call it -270 K if you like, and then explain why a higher ground temperature wouldn’t increase the heat transfer rate anyway.
Thank you
I mean -270 C sorry
This sounds like a door deal in Let’s Make a deal. “But wait! There is more! – A new CAR!”
Make mine an SUV. 😉
A cooling stratosphere was a fingerprint of global warming, and years ago when the low latitude volcanoes were impacting the stratosphere, alarmists were gleeful in pointing out stratospheric temperature trends. Now that the stratosphere is not being impacted by volcanoes, the cooling trend stratosphere has disappeared. And alarmists no longer want to talk about the stratosphere.
Global Warming requires South East Australia to be in permanent drought.
Due to high rainfall, the Victorian Desalination plant has not produced a drop of water for three years. Talk about very expensive Green elephants.
http://m.theage.com.au/victoria/613m-for-desalination-plant-no-water-ordered-20140327-35k7c.html
Chris Turney asks for money so he can get stuck on an iceberg again. Research grants for stupid CAGW promotions are drying up. Gaia help him. He might have to get a real job.
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-04/11/chris-turney-antarctic-small-science
Typographical error, the article should reference “small brain science.”
Maybe he and Flannery can have a bake sale or something to raise a little cash. Or have some pea brained teens go door to door looking for handouts.
Seth Borenstein’s latest effort is very sad. He also quotes Hayhoe!
The old adage, ” like attracts like” is proven once more.
http://www.usnews.com/news/science/news/articles/2014/04/24/study-links-california-drought-to-global-warming
It is interesting that leftists laugh at the religious right who support Creationism, yet do not renounce Hayhoe for applying the same logic
100% agree Brian. Other people’s spiritual beliefs are none of my business. It’s the hypocrisy that I object to.
Utah State University “climate scientists” say CAGW caused the California drought and Polar Vortex. I once had a technical conference with Utah scientists, who were adamant that Australia was only 5000 years old, geologically. After that experience, why would I take Utah “climate scientists” as anything other than complete idiots.
The way I look at it, if you’re some academic who doesn’t actually have to work much to have a reasonable guaranteed income, you can endorse any idiotic thing that comes along on the bandwagon as long as it is consistent with general progressive politics
You almost have to laugh at the solemn conclusions derived from a computer-generated fantasy model.
Especially when they get the results they expected to see. (CO2 vs. no CO2).