Introducing Progressives To Modern Technology

Progressives believe that a half dozen political hacks at NASA and NOAA represent all of science, and have not yet heard about the new-fangled technology called satellites.

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25 Responses to Introducing Progressives To Modern Technology

  1. tom0mason says:


    You may all be interested in Obama’s plan to give away ICAAN to the UN.
    That will enhance freedom of speech? I think not.

    Ted Cruz outlines his objections here

    • Gail Combs says:

      Call your senators and tell them to pass the Protecting Internet Freedom Act – S. 3034. You can call this number: 202-224-3121 to reach your senator’s office.

      (Passing it along)

    • cdquarles says:

      ICAAN or ICANN? I forget … getting old.

    • cdquarles says:

      That said, the ARPANET was created as a packet switched store-and-forward broadcast network of networks, such that communications could not be shut off in case of a nuclear war. Even if the ICANN gets control of the DNS root file, just like the USA can survive with Washington, DC blown off the map; the network of networks would simply reroute itself. Just like the Chinese government can’t keep everyone in China in the dark via controlling DNS, neither can the UN.

      • Neal S says:

        That being said, there is no reason to allow people who do not have US best interests at heart, any means of making it harder for us to protect our freedoms.

  2. Steve Case says:

    Even the data from Climate at a Glance shows that most (40) of the 50 states show that for Maximum temperatures, January to December, the trend prior to 2000 is downward.

    For some states in the Mississippi valley the negative trend goes all the way back to the 19th century.

  3. OrganicFool says:


  4. ESTON HARDEN says:

    You forgot to mention there are two satellites, not just RSS which you referenced. RSS has been producing unreliable data because it’s orbit is decaying and scientist now take that data with a grain of salt and lots of “adjustments”. UAH is considered the more reliable satellite now and it is showing warming like the surface data shows.

    • AndyG55 says:


      The only warming in the satellite data of either variety is from El Nino and ocean oscillation.

      And the slight warming from those El Nino events in RSS and UAH is NOWHERE NEAR the fabricated, and urban enhanced warming in the GISS data

      There was no warming in either RSS or UAH from 1980 to just before the 1998 El Nino, and there was no warming from the end of the 1998 El Nino effect at the beginning of 2001 to the beginning of the current El mid 2015.


      • AndyG55 says:

        graph (using land to match TH’s graph)

        • AndyG55 says:

          note, orange lines are freehand because I couldn’t be bothered wasting my time any further.

        • wert says:

          Why did you draw the horizontal lines? The data says 2000’s has been warmer than 1980’s. That’s visible, undeniable and totally unalarming.

          But, as said, we don’t live in LT, we live on the surface. Which, last time I checked, has daily variation thousands of times larger than the said beneficial global warming/year.

          The typical annual variation over land in any town is more than 10,000 times the yearly global warming.

          • AndyG55 says:

            There is no reliable global surface temperature series (except maybe USCRN). The TLT series are the only reliable temperature series we have as a proxy for surface temperatures.

            And unless lapse rates are changing, then the trends should not differ.

            In fact, over the USA, the trend of USCRN is almost exactly that of both the TLT series.

            Why the horizontal lines? Because they show conclusively that there is ZERO WARMING apart from the small shifts caused by EL Nino events.

          • wert says:

            Maybe “yearly” variation, variation during a year, and “annual” warming, the average warming during one year?

          • wert says:

            Why the horizontal lines? Because they show conclusively that there is ZERO WARMING apart from the small shifts caused by EL Nino events.

            Well, whatever you attribute it to, it shows some global warming.

          • AndyG55 says:

            “it shows some global warming.”


            Nothing to do with CO2

            and ENTIRELY BENFICIAL..

            (unless you prefer the depressive cold of the LIA)

  5. OrganicFool says:

    You tried your darnedest to help them. But their ears and eyes are closed. Let them eat soy.

    • AndyG55 says:

      “But their ears and eyes are closed”

      And their minds either shut tight or the grey matter hosed away during their brain-washing.

  6. TA says:

    “Well, whatever you attribute it to, it shows some global warming.”

    Well, actually, if you go on the word of the Climate Change Gurus, that the 1930’s were hotter than 1998, then we are actually in a temperature downtrend from the 1930’s until today.

    February 2016, was one-tenth of a degree higher than the hottest month in 1998. so at best Feb. 2016, tied the 1930’s temperature high, and since the current weather we have today is nothing near as extreme as the 1930’s, I would have to say the 1930’s was a *lot* hotter than Feb. 2016.

    Since Feb. 2016, the temperature trend has been down, so we are still in a “long-term” temperature downtrend, from the 1930’s. Unfortunately, satelllite data does not go back to the 1930’s so I can’t show you a chart covering that period, but the Climate Change Gurus’ word is good enough proof for me.

    • ESTON HARDEN says:

      Since you all think a mountain-sized, decades-long amount of data is bogus, what about that yacht that left Ireland about 6 weeks ago that skirted Norway, Russia, Alaska, and Canada. It will be cruising along side Greenland in several days and eventually get back to Ireland. If you don’t believe the science, maybe you will believe a yacht circumnavigating the Arctic without an icebreaker. And to listen your data, the Arctic is ice bound.

      • AndyG55 says:

        What about it?

        Arctic sea ice was at a very high level in 1979. Only just a bit less than during the end of the Little Ice Age, which was the coldest period in 10,000 years.

        Here is a little video from the cold face.. maybe you will get some actual real perspective from it… if you can unscrew the seal on your brain.

        And the Northabout had a huge amount of help from satellite sea ice and weather charts, that provided guidance of where to avoid sea ice, and 2000 litre of FOSSIL FUEL . While it was an interesting little adventure, it is basically MEANINGLESS in the scheme of things. What they did manage to show by nearly getting stuck a few times, was JUST HOW MUCH sea ice there is still up there.

      • AndyG55 says:

        “the Arctic is ice bound.”

        Yes, still LOTS of sea ice up there.

        They only just snuck through the Laptev sea, got lucky with a forecast of a wind shift.

        And the main channel of the Northwest passage has been blocked with thick sea ice all year.
        There is NO WAY they could have used the route that Larson used in 1944, which he did WITHOUT satellite ice charts, sat nav, etc

        Sorry dude, but there is STILL plenty of sea ice up there, WAY MORE than Wadhams predicted, and WAY MORE than the often ZERO summer sea ice of the first 3/4 of the Holocene.

        We are still very much in a colder period of the current interglacial.

        And did you know that since 2006 when the AMO topped out, there as been a ZERO trend in Arctic sea ice.

        Now with the AMO starting to turn downwards, it will interesting to watch the Arctic alarmista goon squad as sea ice levels start to climb again :-)

      • Gail Combs says:

        So WHAT!

        As AndyG and others keep saying we are in a bit of warming after the coldest point in the Holocene interglacial. Time wise we are at the END of the Holocene but for a “rare and unique Grand maximum of solar activity, which has occurred only once in the past 3,000 years”A History of Solar Activity over Millennia


        Ice free Arctic Ocean, an Early Holocene analogue

        Extensive systems of wave generated beach ridges along the North Greenland coasts show that these areas once saw seasonally open water. In addition to beach ridges, large amounts of striated boulders in and on the marine sediments from the same period also indicate that the ocean was open enough for ice bergs to drift along the shore and drop their loads. Presently the North Greenland coastline is permanently beleaguered by pack ice, and ice bergs are very rare and locked up in the sea ice. Predictions of the rapidly decreasing sea ice in the Arctic Ocean generally point to this area as the last to become ice free in summer. We therefore suggest that the occurrence of wave generated shores and abundant ice berg dropped boulders indicate that the Arctic Ocean was nearly free of sea ice in the summer at the time when they were formed. The beach ridges occur as isostatically raised “staircases”, and C14-dated curves for relative sea level change show that they were formed in the Early Holocene. A large set of samples of molluscs from beach ridges and marine sediments were collected in the summer of 2007, and are presently being dated to give a precise dating of the ice free interval. Preliminary results indicate that it fell within the interval from c. 8.5 to c. 6 ka – being progressively shorter from south to north. We therefore conclude that for a period in the Early Holocene, probably for a millenium or more, the Arctic Ocean was free of sea ice at least for shorter periods in the summer….

        Temperature and precipitation history of the Arctic

        …. Solar energy reached a summer maximum (9% higher than at present) ~11 ka ago and has been decreasing since then, primarily in response to the precession of the equinoxes. The extra energy elevated early Holocene summer temperatures throughout the Arctic 1-3°C above 20th century averages, enough to completely melt many small glaciers throughout the Arctic, although the Greenland Ice Sheet was only slightly smaller than at present. Early Holocene summer sea ice limits were substantially smaller than their 20th century average, and the flow of Atlantic water into the Arctic Ocean was substantially greater. As summer solar energy decreased in the second half of the Holocene, glaciers re-established or advanced, sea ice expanded

      • Gail Combs says:

        Prior to that most glaciers had melted away.

        In Norway:
        A new approach for reconstructing glacier variability based on lake sediments recording input from more than one glacier

        …. A multi-proxy numerical analysis demonstrates that it is possible to distinguish a glacier component in the ~ 8000-yr-long record, based on distinct changes in grain size, geochemistry, and magnetic composition…. This signal is …independently tested through a mineral magnetic provenance analysis of catchment samples. Minimum glacier input is indicated between 6700–5700 cal yr BP, probably reflecting a situation when most glaciers in the catchment had melted away, whereas the highest glacier activity [growth] is observed around 600 and 200 cal yr BP. During the local Neoglacial interval (~ 4200 cal yr BP until present), five individual periods of significantly reduced glacier extent are identified at ~ 3400, 3000–2700, 2100–2000, 1700–1500, and ~ 900 cal yr BP….

        Half a world away in the USA. Here is a paper about a glacier that shows the change to modern temperatures was abrupt and happened over 150 years ago.

        An ice core removed from the Upper Fremont Glacier… provides evidence for abrupt climate change during the mid-1800s….

        At a depth of 152 m the refined age-depth profile shows good agreement (1736±10 A.D.) with the 14C age date (1729±95 A.D.). The δ18O profile of the Upper Fremont Glacier (UFG) ice core indicates a change in climate known as the Little Ice Age (LIA)….

        At this depth, the age-depth profile predicts an age of 1845 A.D. Results indicate the termination of the LIA was abrupt with a major climatic shift to warmer temperatures around 1845 A.D. and continuing to present day. LINK

        • AndyG55 says:

          Good Luck getting ANY of the brain-washed alarmist Arctic sea ice WORRIERS to accept any of this REALITY.

          Jimbo et al have ABSOLUTELY REFUSED to go anywhere near THE TRUTH.

          That means that are ABYSMAL and PERPETUAL LIARS. !!

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