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There is no doubt that those pushing the Arctic sea ice as a scare, and pushing the general AGW scam, are very much amongst the LOWEST form of humanity.
They are human???
Outward appearance only.
Inside, just empty husks.
Tony others …. look at the “death spiral” of temps on the DMI graph … it’s beginning to look a lot like winter ;-)
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php
Ya think? The SOF knows that and everyone up ther knows that and warn them so.
yep, looking a lot like 1960 temps .
There are many humans that will do anything for money.
I am guessing that for some, honest work doesn’t pay well enough. And we now have a generation whos view of work is along the lines of Maynard G Krebs. (I love the contrast between that fictitious last name and his ‘fondness’ for work)
Crap..either they taken it away or im webblind.. cant find the Quote. Direct link anyone ? Im in Sweden… Dosent look good for them. Cold,water n speedy wind. Darkness. Its kinda plain stupid. They could go icesculpture in 30 minutes if careless.
Resolute Canada now has 27F and Light Snow. It is not going above freezing for the next week. Going into the teens at night and snow every other day.
That is Weather Underground (Jeff Masters) forecast.
https://www.facebook.com/PolarOceanChall/?hc_ref=PAGES_TIMELINE
Scroll down andyou see this before it changes.
Polar Ocean Challenge added 3 new photos.
16 hrs · ..
“LEGEND David Scott Cowper has forgotten what we haven’t even learnt yet” SHIPSLOG http://tinyurl.com/zx66lny
He suggested breakfast in Cambridge Bay but we’ve got a refreeze to beat and a storm ahead of us to beat! Next time breakfast David smile emoticon:-)
Like Comment.
Hazze, so you have seen it and don’t want to believe what you seen, or is there a story ya want to tell us?
No..i got the link now. Is your quiz wath ive seen ? Im quite familiar with the changes above the polarcircle. Its not like wheaterchanges in the rest of the world.. not at all.
So you got a link, and have never been there?
Sorry, you now seen, what was stated here. Or you still question that?
So basicly, the quote Tony said was what they said, and I gave you a different reference to that where they said pretty much the same thing.
Yo Gail. Just mail the guys and tell them its speedos and chill off breakfast in Cambridge Bay then. No race against anything. Wanna killem do u ?
Yes, after all the Poley bears have to eat…
Everyone that believes in man made global warming should eat lots and
lots of soy. Soy milk and tofu as much as possible to save the planet.
Snicker
Make it RAW soy beans.
Ouch. No thanks. Done right, tofu isn’t bad; but you won’t live long if that’s all you get to eat.
Uh Oh !
Andy have u been watching this ice? Did it blow in from the west or was it always there and just on shore etc but now drifting across Lancaster Sound?
They won’t be going near your top circle as they intend to use the Bellot Strait route but things look interesting as they go around the northwest tip of Baffin Island and sail north of Bylot Island and through Lancaster Sound.
They are going to see a lot more ice than the death spiralists and ice free arctic con men would lead you to believe.
Gail – Resolute Bay is far enough north and west of where they are and where they are going that I think it isn’t representative. Cambridge Bay and Pond Inlet are both a bit warmer (less cold) at -2 and plus 1 for Saturdays high. Definitely winter like with snow, snow and more snow forecast and Tuesdays high at -3 but Thursday is nasty with the -3 high and -8 low … all temps in C for this Great White North boy. The last reported temp from the boat was air at 0C and the water temp at 2C . https://www.theweathernetwork.com/ca/weather/nunavut/pond-inlet
WOW, So ice in a ocean and in seas drift with the currents? Who would have thought?
Let Me go a bit farther. I have walked on what I thought was sea ice that drifted in our harbour, only to find out when the current changed it was mostly slush.
Do you have anything intelligent to say???
Apparently not!
Well you seem to be in your mindset?And how does that feel?
Have you ever been to Alert? Have you ever been to Eureka?
So I am guessing you have never been to either?
If they go through Bellot Strait and then find they can’t get through Lancaster Sound, is there any guarantee they could get back through Bellot Strait to winter in the Cambridge Bay area.
If they get stuck in Boothia Sound, they could be in serious trouble !!
Pretty Much! That stuff freezes alot faster up there.
And I spent time in Alert from summer and left in jan!
And anyone from the Department of environment knows that!
Not Me, but what I am talking about.
“Andy have u been watching this ice?”
Sorry SP, I have many other things to do apart from watch sea ice :-)
WellI have been there and know. It may be nice and warm here but up there is isn’t so. No natter what they tell ya.
….Matter….
uh oh 2
“…don’t tell the ladies that!”
Very indicative of the underlying sexism of progressives. They think they are omniscient and omnipotent, and all those inferiors – women, minorities – must be controlled ‘for their own good’ because they are incapable of taking care of themselves. Can you say ‘soft bigotry of low expectations?’
Is that Ben, the 14 year old, talking?
Or one of the big boys.?
Just posted on the Northabout blog that Lawrence Sound appear to be icing up.
Implored them not to get stuck in Gulf of Boothia for winter.
I know they probably won’t publish it, but it should get their minds racing a bit. :-)
No, don’t do that unless you have their best intress at heart. Let their own tell them what is going on.
Nah. Think of it as playing wid their minds ;-)
Exactly, and they will think that and push harder and get in trouble. Then it will cost more to save their asses.
Just had a fun thought..
They get stuck, have to be rescued by helicopter.
Come back next year to find a family of polar bears have claimed squatters rights :-)
Yeah or they get stuck, and it is another case of someone elses taxpayers dollars and others having to risk life to save them where there was no need for it.
I have to admit, I would willingly pay a few cents to see them have to be rescued :-)
I would rather them know they failed before hand and not put themselves at risk.
You have a kinder soul that I do, then :-)
But, either way…
so long as it becomes HEADLINE NEWS. :-)
Well you can only warn them. Right? And if they don’t want to take your advice, then it isn’t your fault. Plus they have their own telling them what to do. So in reality it’s more their own fault.
From their tracking, they’ll be in Bellot Strait in a couple of hours. After that, just bergy water in Prince Regent Inlet all the way through to Baffin Bay and the North Atlantic.
As I noted on the other thread there’s sea ice forming right at the junction of Lancaster Sound and Prince Regent inlet. At this point it looks passable. Current weather is at or below freezing with snow flurries for a few days. They’ll be going straight into a light northerly wind 10+/-mph at the moment. If they clear the ice at the junction I’d say they’re home free. That is sailing if sailing down Baffin Bay and into or skirting a large storm sitting of eastern Greenland and across the North Atlantic in the fall is easy? Ice may be the least of their worries
With 12 days to go to the start of Autumn, I have to think they’ll make it. It’s more fun when these Warmie True Believers fail because of too much ice but success here means very little. Amundsen could have done the same in 1904, right?
As I predicted yesterday, the SOF are now at the entrance to Bellot strait.
Northabout
Sat Sep 10th, 201611:12:15 am
Speed: 12.17 km/h Heading: NE
Elevation: 20.61 m Batt: Normal
Lat: 71.944903 Lon: -95.243246
Andy,
What does the satellite look like? My old version of Firefox will not display.
If you provide a link Gail, then I can try to load that for you and then post it.
And here from Canadian Ice Service latest ice chart dated Sep 10th from
http://www.ec.gc.ca/glaces-ice/?lang=En&n=542306E5-1
Note the ice around the only two point they can progress through. They will have to decide which offers better chance of success and then head that way. Obviously they will consider this based on latest available information once they have exited the east end of the Bellot strait. (Which if soon enough will be no different than what I have posted)
It may only take a few hours through the strait, but could be longer if it is too shallow or there are other hazards. And they are in the strait now based on latest tracking.
That is great and nothing like the image I get from your link.
Thanks Neal
I zoomed in to the area of interest after expanding the image to full size.
In the last 10 minutes, two new tweets from SOF
Is he saying conditions were the same 10p years ago?
100 years
Hope they’re bundled up. Current temps are below freezing -1.6C
With wind up to 14 mph.
Beaufort Scale of Wind Force
That is a ‘moderate breeze’ and moderate seas, but when it is around freezing and damp it is COLD. I call it pneumonia weather and put my animals in. Much colder but dry is not a problem.
The wind tonight, 24 mph, is considered a ‘Strong Breeze’ with ”rough’ seas and it will be snowing.
It is going to be getting nasty in about 6 to 9 hours. — Masters is often off on the timing and the storms show up sooner at least in my area.
Resolute, Nunavut
Presently:
28 °F , wind gusts to 14 mph, cloudy
TONIGHT:
Saturday Night 09/10 80% / 1-3 in of snow
Snow showers early will become steadier snow overnight. Low 28 °F. Winds S at 15 to 25 mph. Chance of snow 80%. Snow accumulating 1 to 3 inches.
Polarocean just posted an update and it is 0C. I don’t understand why you refer to and post Resolute data as it is far from where they are headed!
N71 54 W094 24 pressure1008 water 2C Air 0C UTC 14.30 10 Sept
A dull night, no stars, and low cloud. No wind, but still cold on deck. Real problems with steering. Mag compass useless. Auto pilot sometimes very confused. We are not sure if local magnetism effects. Amundsen experienced the same problems a 100 years ago Coming up to Bellot Channel. Still no wind.
Ice chart in this morning. Could have problems getting out of Prince Regent.
Gail you can look around and Resolute is the coldest in the area … Cambridge Bay is 2C, Gjoa Haven is 0C, Arctic Bay is 2C, Pond Inlet is 1C & Resolute shows as -2C …. the worst of the lot and not close to the ship.
Hopefully they get through Regent Inlet … as much as I would enjoy seeing them trapped / stopped by ice I can’t bring myself to wish them any harm …. even if they are a ship of fools.
I picked Resolute as the closest named area I could find with a weather report. Tough finding a map with towns listed.
Resolute is near the Lancaster sd. where I expect they will head.
You guys ‘n gals never cease to amaze me.
I’ve posted enough weather forecasts for Pond Inlet recently Gail. I can only assume you never click any of my links on principle? Here it is again:
https://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/nu-25_metric_e.html
Or do you actually pick Resolute because it’s colder there? How about splitting the difference at Arctic Bay?
https://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/nu-10_metric_e.html
If you think it’s “tough finding a map with towns listed” let me save you the effort:
https://weather.gc.ca/forecast/canada/index_e.html?id=nu
This morning when I posted the temps from earthnullschool it was below freezing at the moment EN show -.6C either way you want to spin it it’s cold. With chill factor it’s gotta be -5C +/-. All of these waters are “shallow” compared to open ocean so they’re much more sensitive to air temps. And the recent post about the sea ice at the junction of PRS and LS is serious. It’s around 150ish miles against a light head wind so it’s at least a 24hr slog uphill.
Well at the moment they’ve seem to be nipping through a channel in south of Devon Island
That is Somerset Island to their north. The Bellot Strait separates Boothia Peninsula from Somerset Island.
Devon Island is northeast of Somerset Island.
I should have said “Prince” Regent Inlet in an earlier post but I have seen it called both names and so I’m not sure it matters.
Question:
They make it through the Bellot straight, but routes north (between Baffin Island & Somerset Island) and south past Igloulik are blocked. What are the options if any?
Just got a ships log update. …
http://polarocean.co.uk/half-day-update-utc-14-30-10-sept/
David writes
“Ice chart in this morning. Could have problems getting out of Prince Regent.”
He saw what I saw.
They could wait for better conditions. They could wait for an ice-breaker. If there were people and equipment available, they could try to portage somewhere. Or they could try to go back to somewhere to spend the winter. (At least the boat even if the crew departs)
Maybe if Reggie and his minions ALL used their blowtorches at once …. anything could happen.
The northern route is their only option at this point as Fury/Hecla straight to the south looks done for the year. Worst case scenario would be not being able to get back through Bellot back to Cambridge Bay.
Ok. They are out of Bellot strait and seem to be headed north.
So they are headed for Lancaster Sound as I thought.
That FOSSIL FUEL engine must be working its butt off !!!
They might even drop that outboard kicker they have to make haste!!
no…the girls are water skiing
Speeds since making the turn are 12, 11, 11, 12 km/h (between 2:43 pm and 4:13 pm NY time)
LOL, anyone notice the elevation :-)
@Andy55,ie..the elevation, massive sea level rise is common in the area!! lol
http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00KeNTPWQnZhku/Water-Slide-Hill-Side-WS-038-.jpg
The satellite shows this.
Cloud or sea ice?
How much it is moving and how thick it is, is hard to tell.
The area between your center and right circle looks like what Canadian ice charts show as 30-60% sea ice area. From what you’re showing it appears to have expanded and the ice is making its way south down the PR inlet. The next 18-24hrs will tell the story.
http://iceweb1.cis.ec.gc.ca/Prod/page3.xhtml
Based on current speed (about 12 km/h) and the fact that they have about 270 km to go before they ’round the corner’ it should take them about 22.5 hours or so.
(it is currently about 4:37 pm NY time)
Assuming they don’t slow up to dodge bergs or have other issues such as headwinds or adverse currents.
The race is on.
AndyG if you go to the layers tab embedded in the top right of the arctic.io explorer image and pull up the infared layer you will see what is ice and what is cloud
It’s going to be close! Northabout is the red dot. Ice is from DMI’s model.
Yep. its a probably.
Thing to note though, is that the northern part of the Northwest Passage was blocked by multi-year ice – foremost the western exit – FOR THE ENTIRE SUMMER, and was even not passable by ice breakers.
There is still one heck of a lot of sea ice up there.
FAR, FAR more than the Arctic yapper, Wadhams, predicted.
Don’t be ridiculous Andy:
https://youtu.be/g9JHSs38G-Y
Yep Jimbo, one HECK OF A LOT OF SEA ICE
Wadhams was so , so wrong.
And YOU know it.
DMI’s modelled sea ice thickness is evidently not entirely accurate, since it shows ice where there is none. According to the Canadian Ice Services at least:
http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2016/08/northabout-braves-the-northwest-passage/#Sep-11
Duckhead..
I already commented on that on another thread.
Keep up or piss off.
Andy – Where did you comment on the evident discrepancy between the DMI’s CICE model output and the CIS’s RadarSat based charts?
I must have blinked and missed it.
You miss most things.
Its in your nature to only take in that fraction of reality that suits your CON !
Please provide a link to what I’ve “missed”?
Each product; the chart, the satellite image, and the DMI model are 1 day snapshots, and the ice is changing on an hourly basis. As to *exactly* what Ice will be there at the time they arrive (around 9 to 10pm this evening EU time) only time will tell.
What is clear though is that it’s going to be close. The ice is moving in to close up the gap. They can’t wait it out like in the Laptev.
https://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/20976-1.gif
They really have to go for it now. The good news for them is that I notice speed is up from 11km/h to 13 km/h, so maybe wind has turned in their favour.
A worry is, if they don’t make it through, and spend too much time looking for one, then the Bellot Straight could close up again leaving them with no good harbour to overwinter. It’s crunch time.
David – Things do indeed change on an hourly basis. However if the latest ECMWF forecast is to be believed the ice is no longer moving in to close the gap:
http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2016/08/northabout-braves-the-northwest-passage/#Sep-11
As you say, the wind has turned in their favour, in more ways than one!
>”However if the latest ECMWF forecast is to be believed the ice is no longer moving in to close the gap”
The ECMWF is not an ice forecast. It shows wind currently assisting them in the channel, before it turns 180 degrees and heads back south. What effect that will have on the ice is just supposition at this stage. It *could* clear the head of the channel. It *could* pile the ice up to the west of the channel.
It’s shown clearer on the waves tab of the windty site:
https://www.windyty.com/?waves,74.172,-85.012,7
You can’t take one snapshot and say it’s not moving! You need to make multi-day comparisons like:
https://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/20976-1.gif
The bottom line is: I don’t know for sure, and you don’t know for sure. Only time will tell.
The ice is not closing in the gap..?
Here’s an animation of Canadian Ice charts of the area. The one for today is not yet available, but the pattern is clear. Also notice the arrow bottom right showing the direction of ice drift (the ice you say is no longer moving…)
They make make it through with a large bit of luck.
Nullschool shows straight southerlies who h is very good for them. It’ll speed them up and blow the ice back out of the channel opening up their escape.
Davis – I didn’t say “it’s not moving”. I rather thought I was implying that it might well be moving in the opposite direction by now.
We’ll all find out soon enough though:
https://twitter.com/PolarOceanChall/status/774944673014149120
Sorry David. Fat finger error!
+ Wot Gonzo said.
What a blessing to have such accurate sea ice information available. Sort of like having a big red line painted to follow through a maze.
And of course, LOTS of fossil fuel on board :-)
So they are not going to achieve what the Hudson bay company did in 1937.
Don’t be ridiculous Richard:
http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2016/08/northabout-braves-the-northwest-passage/#comment-215622
Brave???
With nice charts to show them where the sea ice is..
FFs, Jimbo, you have GOT to be joking !!!
Come on, coward, take my challenge.
Next year, WITHOUT sea ice charts, FOSSIL FUELS, or satellite navigation..
… I DARE you. !!
Andy – It sounds as though you’re volunteering to enter the Great White Con Arctic Basin Big Wave Surfing Competition?
http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2015/02/shock-historical-news-towing-in-at-the-north-pole-in-1958/
Do you fancy your chances surfing calving glaciers against GMac?
So, refusing to take up the challenge.
Coward.
I’ll take that as a “No way José!” then shall I Andy?
I’m not the one saying there is no ice in the Arctic, Jimbo.
I’ll leave that up to twerps like Wadhams, Neven and you.
No sea ice…
… so you shouldn’t need sea ice charts,
should you, Jimbo ????
I’m not saying “There is no ice in the Arctic” Andy.
Whatever gave you that idea?
Ok , now have the GUTS to admit it is still anomalously high compared to the rest of the Holocene, apart from the Little Ice Age, which it is still trying to recover from.
Show that you have some basic understanding about this fact.
Tony – What you blogged yesterday was:
“The Ship Of Fools is facing a -10C weather forecast in five days, which would be impassable.”
which is BS. If you don’t care for Weather Canada try this instead:
Actually -13c according to some sources
Should be larger
It needs to be larger still Lawrence. Then we could all see the precise location of Isachsen:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isachsen
According to the Environment Canada Climate Severity Index, Isachsen and the surrounding area has the worst weather in Canada with a CSI severity value of 99 out of a possible 100.
For some strange reason the Polar Ocean Challenge team are not planning on sailing past Isachsen any time soon!
Nothing strange about it at all, Jimbo.
The Satellite Sea Ice charts told them they had NO CHANCE through the main North West Passage, so they snuck around through Cambridge Bay.
Jim,
please tell us you understand that it has all be done before and to do it today, when y0u have sat nav to guide you through, is no challenge at all.
Andy – The strange thing is that Isachsen is nowhere near the Northwest Passage. Either the “main” route or Amundsen’s route.
What makes you think that it is?
Looks like about the same distance from the main NW passage channel as Amundsen Gulf.
Now tell me, Jimbo, how did they know to take the route they took past Cape Bathurst rather than the main channel which would have been quicker if they could have got through ?
Think of the prestige if they could have used the main channel through the NW passage..
.. but why couldn’t they, Jimbo ??????
“if they could have used the main channel through the NW passage..
.. but why couldn’t they, Jimbo ??????”
JIMBO, where are you ?????
Why couldn’t they use the main NW passage ?????
Please..
I need to know.
Looks like everyone was piling through with out ice breakers, underwater sonar and sat nav-
1930- North-West Passage
THREE SHIPS GET THROUGH
“For the first time in its history
three ships of the Hudson’s Bay
Company have made the hazardous
North-West Passage in one season”
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/137078889?searchTerm=arctic%20north%20west%20passage&searchLimits=
And WITHOUT a satellite sea ice chart to guide them.
This year, the Northern end of the North West Passage was BLOCKED by thick sea ice ALL SUMMER.
And STILL IS.
Luckily the little SOF had massive help from modern technology in the form of the satellite sea ice charts to guide them.
1911-
“NORTH-WEST PASSAGE.
QUEBEC, Tuesday.
Tbe Canadian Government ship
Arctic has returned after making the
North-west passage and surveying
Banks Land”
Be interesting to know if it happened-
1936 – NEW GRAIN RACE.
Dash Through North-West Passage.
“LONDON.–There is to be a rival to
the annual grain race from Australia to
England. Fifteen ships now in Euro
pean ports are preparing for one of the
most dangerous voyages of modern times.
About July 25 they will start, many of
them from ports on the east coast of
Britain, on a grain race to Hudson Bay.
By using the Port Churchill route, more
than 1,000 miles can be cut off the route
from Saskatchewan to Britain. Every
bushel of grain can be brought to Europe
for 2jd. less than by the old route”
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/40735753?searchTerm=grain%20through%20the%20north%20west%20passage&searchLimits=
Hate to say it, Jim, but really not sure what the Ship of fools is trying to illustrate, it’s all been done before.
And without the aid of satellite sea ice charts to guide them.
A maze is hardly a challenge if there is a great white line painted all the way through it.
When might that have been Richard? Northern Passage in 2010?
Jim,
The Russians took a couple of german battleships through the northern passage back in the late 1930s.
Northern Passage is the name of a catamaran Richard:
http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2016/08/northabout-races-for-the-date-line/
In 2010 Børge Ousland and Thorleif Thorleifsson in the catamaran Northern Passage crossed the date line on September 3rd
Well, SOF has a couple of blog posts with full-spin mode engaged.
http://polarocean.co.uk/went-seeing-grand-total-seven-floating-ice-chunks-i-hadnt-already-north-east-passage-i-might-wonder-fuss-grim-testament-greenho/
http://polarocean.co.uk/6798-2/
David writes “Bellot Strait: The most worrying aspect of the transit is that we didn’t see one piece of proper ice, not even a floating ice cube for a G & T.”
“So, now we are heading up Prince Regent Inlet. We are expecting our first ice tomorrow, 5/10ths that could block the channel, but that’s another day. “
They were STUCK outside Vilkitsky Strait for several ways HOPING for the right wind to give them a sneak.
The only reason they didn’t see any was because the SATELLITE SEA ICE CHARTS showed them how to avoid it.
Shows what LYING propagandists they are.
If you look back through old newspaper reports from the 19th century onwards you get many reports of wide open areas with no ice. Often the old sailing ships did not take the risk of continuing as to be caught when the ice formed was probably a death sentence.
Of course today you pick up the Sat nav to request a nuclear powered ice breaker or a helicopter.
Maybe next year one of them can fly nonstop from New York to Paris.
Jimbo reckons he can do it without the aid of satellite sea ice charts and a 2000 litre tank of fossil fuel.
Please try next year, Jimbo.
Please feel free to let me know when you want to be fitted for your polar bear suit Andy.
Why bother with Andy in a costume. We would rather you hug a nice cuddly full grown REAL Poley Bear.
Poor Jimbo, can’t see that these guys would barely be halfway around without all those satellite charts to help them.
Prove me wrong by doing it next year, Jimbo, if you dare
And please wear your CLOWN outfit so we know it is you.
Hunt,
has no warmist bullcrap to sell,thus his inane comment here.
Meanwhile yet ANOTHER summer with over 4 Million amount of ice in the region.
I could swear you predicted over 4.5 mio Tommy?
A recent ships log
http://polarocean.co.uk/11-sept-15-00-prince-regent-inlet-north-sea-ice-diversion/
“The ice charts are showing that we are going to have difficulty getting round the top of our channel into Lancaster Sound and the ice is moving towards the coast so it is getting harder. ”
There were also various tweets.
It seemed foolish to me when David mocked the lack of ice in the Bellot strait. (Not like he has been there at all times of year for the last several decades to have any idea about what might be unusual or not) It would serve him right to see enough ice in the next couple of days/weeks to last him several lifetimes.
Northabout
Sun Sep 11th, 2016 3:21:45 pm
Speed: 14.27 km/h Heading: ENE
Elevation: 10.46 m Batt: Normal
Lat: 73.773343 Lon: -87.576891
And here is the Sep 11 Canadian Ice Services Ice Chart
What a pity :-)
Looks like this is it then, they are again aiming to hug the coastline on their starboard and we will know within the next few hours whether they squeeze through or not. Have to say it looks like they will.
Yep, those satellite charts would make it so much easier.
I’m as pissed of as you Andy as they’ve done it by the skin of their teeth the Laptev sea ice was kind to them as Adams said the ice closed back in behind them and they could have failed there or at least been held up another couple of weeks which would have scuppered their NW chances. There were only days in it I reckon but the loopy left green luvvies will milk this for all its *not* worth.
I’m not particularly annoyed that they made it. Good on them.
What annoys me is the clowns that think slightly lower amounts of sea ice are in any way an issue and want to link it to CO2 induce warming.
ie LYING THROUGH THEIR TEETH. (cue Jimbo)
To me, all it proves is that the recovery from the extremes of the LIA and the second peak around 1979 has basically stalled.
I think the people living up there would love to have considerably more time with navigable water. The benefits for commerce , fishing, tourism etc would be enormous.
Currently says they are doing 16km/hr.
They must have the outboard motor in play as well :-)
FOSSIL FUEL. isn’t it a wonder. :-)
Sounds a lot like sour grapes Lawrence!
Skin of her teeth or not, Northabout looks to have won the first part of her race:
http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2016/08/northabout-braves-the-northwest-passage/#comment-215649
Western Arctic, they did not start the NWP so cannot complete it.
That appears to be correct…
The S/V NORTHABOUT has failed to cross the Pacific Ocean Arctic Circle in the Bering Strait as the official starting line to validate their Northwest Passage attempt. You cannot say you climbed Mount Everest by just reaching high camp – you must summit. You don’t ride a bicycle in the Tour de France without starting and finishing over the course in the designated places. Likewise, you must cross BOTH the Pacific Ocean Arctic Circle in the Bering Strait and the Atlantic Ocean Arctic Circle in Davis Strait to validate a Northwest Passage. (Depends on direction of travel – exception Foxe Basin Arctic Circle during Route-7 passages or an east passage that stops in Greenland before crossing the Arctic Circle in Davis Strait.)
The rules are clear at: http://www.americanpolar.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/NWP-2015.pdf
http://arcticnorthwestpassage.blogspot.com/2016/08/sv-northabout-makes-tactical-error-that.html?showComment=1472570384408
http://arcticnorthwestpassage.blogspot.com/2016/08/sv-northabout-makes-tactical-error-that.html?showComment=1472421267934#c8124267173425600346
Once again, Jim fails to comprehend the subject. Maybe he isn’t evil, and just criminally stupid.
The rules are the rules.
Well, Gator, here is what will happen when the global warming scam blows up:
The skeptics will be right and not any poorer except for the money the scammers stole from everyone.
The cunning scammers on the take will be wrong but much richer. They will retire or happily move on to the next scam.
Ignorant fanboys and lackeys like Hunt will not be any richer but they will be wrong. They will feel like idiots who have been used.
Gator – Northabout crossed the Arctic Circle off Norway many moons ago. Her mission is a successful single season circumnavigation, not getting her name on an “official list” of Northwest Passage transits.
The list was the topic of my comment Jimbo. Or are you not bright enough to follow along with the adults here?
Some of us like actual defintions, and not meanings du jour. For instance, we believe that 1,000,000 is greater than zero. Go look it up Jim, and you will find we are indeed correct.
I know, it sucks, right? Now go deny life to another 21,000 today, you have work to do.
The only reason they made it is precisely due to the very thing you people demonise -fossil fuel. Fossil fuel propelled Northabout, fossil fuel has been the driver of science in the last 100 years and provided the satellite updates, the communications, the materials, the food, the food storage , the medication, the current high standard of health (despite the alcohol intake) of the crew and the mediums which you will use to condemn fossil fuels.
Without all these things Northabout would still be stuck in the NE passage. Lets face it, it was more of a propaganda jolly than a tale of endurance , hardship and human endeavour with the main soul searching major decisions being the vodka supply and who got lumbered with the washing up as witnessed by the daily blogs, Sour grapes ? No just reflecting back your hypocrisy.
And what hypocrisy might that be Lawrence? All I do here is place the facts before you. I might try poking a little gentle fun at times too! All the rest is merely a product of your evidently hyperactive imagination.
Would it interest you to learn that Santa has extended his secret summer swimming pool this year?
http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2016/09/santa-extends-his-secret-summer-swimming-pool/
Thanks for confirming that there is HEAPS of ice and COLD up there.
Do you have perpetual foot in mouth disease, Jimbo?
Here’s a different angle Andy.
Can you see what there is heaps of to starboard?
LOTS of sea ice up there.
WAY more than Wad-man predicted, and WAY WAY more than for most of the rest of the Holocene.
Jim , that is a hell of a boat compared to the Hudson bay company boats back in the 1930s!
Oden (1988 icebreaker) – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oden_(1988_icebreaker)
Oden is a large Swedish icebreaker, built in 1988 for the Swedish Maritime Administration.
here Jim, thought you might like a pic of a sailing ship in
open waters.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sailing+ships+in+the+arctic&biw=1020&bih=674&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiyqcmO_YnPAhWLAMAKHQzPDksQ_AUIBigB#imgrc=B7K0jggpSc3z2M%3A
they even have a lovely rowing boat out and about.
Skate surfaced at the North pole 1959-
https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/uss-skate-open-water.jpg
That’s strange Richard. The very same picture on this site:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08578.htm
has a different caption. It says:
Skate (SSN-578), taken in summer, perhaps in August 1958.
Perhaps another one of Anthony’s little lapses of memory?
a year earlier – sorry.
The hypocrisy is off being reliant on technology and material only made possible by the humans utilising fossil fuels and then linking, posting and present crap about how humans are destroying the planet. At least if you numpty white middle class lefties at least admitted that the burning of fossil fuels catapulted humanity out of a million years and more of abject misery , then some of us might have some respect; but you don’t. You use the youth as in flattering to deceive, by telling them how better they are as people than there parents and grandparents. I note young Ben is astounded how much sea ice has disappeared HOW WIOULD HE BLOODY KNOW.
No disrespect to young Ben but the left like they did with Brexit in the UK flatter the youth and tell them a load of tripe about the real world and tell the youth they are far wiser than the older generations. Well I’ll tell you what you and your greenie left mates give all your credit cards to your kids , I’m sure they’ll be far wiser with your money than you were.
Finally I would note two of the sponsors mentioned on the bottom of the Arctic Challenge home page
Bandwagons R Us and Pravda.
Yes I am annoyed
Who is this “you” of which you speak Lawrence?
They don’t sound a whole lot like me!
Ben is a very nice kid. I am very glad he survived this ordeal without major harm. But it is obvious that he has been well trained to parrot the party line perfectly to please his mommy and daddy. He has not yet reached the age where he has learned to question authority or think for himself. Question is whether he ever will.
“All I do here is place the facts before you”
Yet you TOTALLY IGNORE any REAL FACTS about the Arctic.
That is called CON, or low-level PROPAGANDA.
And you certainly excel at the low-level part, incompetent clown that you are.
Is this all a case of Déjà vu?
And remember, those guys didn’t have satellite sea ice charts, and weather charts and sat nav to guide their whole journey.
Jimbo is going to do it next year, aren’t you Jimbo..
without all those modern aids.. ;-)
Congratulations Northabout. You made it.
Yep, Congrats. :-)
Still LOTS of sea ice up there, though. :-)
DARN!
The poley bears got cheated out of a meal and they need to build up their strength for the coming winter…
Really?
https://twitter.com/CCG_GCC/status/769867469628596224
Three cheers for Northabout!
Hip, Hip……..
… so what!
Hip, hip, hypocrisy.
3 cheers for modern satellite technology.
The ONLY thing that allowed their little adventure at all.
Prove me wrong Jimbo, do the trip next year without that assistance..
and don’t forget to wear your clown outfit
…In a sailboat with NO MOTOR, by compass and celestial navigation.
Jimmy,
they barely made it with a lot of diesel,Satellite images and some luck.
Not a convincing trip.
Bad luck you mean?
according to Jim this would be a sign of catastrophe-
http://www.artvalue.com/photos/auction/0/59/59138/ward-john-1798-1849-united-kin-sailing-ships-in-the-arctic-wi-4165102-500-500-4165102.jpg
signs of the arctic melting according to jim
http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/media/images/72067000/jpg/_72067698_72067697.jpg
http://www.omsj.org/wp-content/uploads/iceboatcopy.jpg
stuck in ice- https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=icebreakers+stuck+in+ice&biw=1020&bih=674&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj8v4WlgIrPAhUpIsAKHXfNDnsQ_AUIBigB#imgrc=LaSV-tGSdL4ccM%3A
ah well, you get the picture.
Has Arctic sea ice bottomed out? Pretty early.
AndyG55, remember?
https://realclimatescience.com/2016/06/the-imaginary-arctic-downtick/#comment-11459
Now, who was closer? I will give you a hint, it wasn’t you.
The SOF now has a press release out on their home page.
http://polarocean.co.uk/
“The Polar Ocean Challenge successfully completed their quest to sail the North East Passage and North West Passage in one season. The North West Passage was completed in an astonishing 14 days due to the fact that it was almost totally ice free. They encountered ice only twice in their 1800 mile NW Passage part of the voyage. This highlights an extraordinary loss of sea ice in the Arctic in the 30 years that David Hempleman-Adams has been coming to the area. ”
The only portion almost totally ice free was the portion they motored through. (They did not actually ‘sail’.) Of course I am sure that the fossil fuel engine and satellites and GPS and ice charts played absolutely no part in their success. (sarc sarc sarc).
They may say that 14 days is ‘astonishing’ but they did not run the same race that others actually doing they northwest passage have run. So that is an unfair comparison and their whole release is terribly misleading. I’ll bet if we scour their logs and blogs, we will see much more than just two instances of encountering ice.
Why were there no cargo ships taking advantage if it is all practically ice-free?
Numerous times in the logs and blogs it was mentioned how they got lucky. If there really was so little ice, then luck should not have been needed or played that big a role. In the logs they also mentioned how a given short-cut was blocked by ice, or how a more preferred route could not be used due to ice. If there really was so little ice, there should not have been so many routes and short-cuts blocked by what isn’t supposed to be there. They had access to ice charts. They plotted their course to as much as possible avoid ice. And they have the gall to say in effect “wow, we hardly saw any ice!”. Of course you didn’t. You always picked the other routes and went the other way.
I find it all rather sickening.
However there was the Crystal Serenity of course. She didn’t encounter a whole lot of ice either:
http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2016/08/crystal-serenity-sets-sail-for-the-northwest-passage/
And she was escorted by an ice re-inforced tender, plus a helicopter etc…..BTW is this the first time any ship has gone through NWP and NEP? Just sayin
No it isn’t Gonzo. Assuming you’re referring to small “boats” like Northabout there are three previous single season circumnavigations that I am aware of.
Crystal Serenity only did the Northwest Passage
Tell me Jimbo, could the CS have followed the route taken by Larsen in 1944 or the SS Manhattan in 1969.
If not, Why not ???
Heck, they had to sneak through Bellot Strait instead of following Amundsen’s route..
Why was that, Jimbo, and how did they know that HAD to go that way?