Experts : Arctic To Be Ice-Free By Friday

Our top scientists and journalists say the Arctic will be ice-free this September, which ends on Friday.


Arctic could become ice-free for first time in more than 100,000 years, claims leading scientist | The Independent

Ice extent is highest for the date since at least 2011, and growing at a record rate.


Ocean and Ice Services | Danmarks Meteorologiske Institut

In order to be a climate expert, climate politician or climate journalist, you have to demonstrate that you are some combination of completely incompetent, completely stupid, and completely dishonest.

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19 Responses to Experts : Arctic To Be Ice-Free By Friday

  1. RAH says:

    Wadhams again. It seems that it is impossible to embarrass Cambridge University. Newton must be rolling in his grave as such a shyster makes the physics department there a mockery.

  2. Andy says:

    Tony, you need to give up on DMI, especially after the disaster of last year when they changed the algorithm and didn’t tell anyone so it made the graph give spurious results.

    The other reason why you should give it up is that they have only done 5 years on that graph, so nearly every year will be some record or other. IT’S TOO SHORT A TIMESCALE to give anything meaninful on trends. Trends are the important thing.

    Also, where is the dataset for the graph? That’s another important bit, not a graph which has such a thick lines it looks like a kid with a Crayola did it.

    Far better would be to use JAXA which has a longer data range, better graphs and the data set. Also being Japanese they will not be under the control of Obama or Hilary :D

    Why the fuck do you still use DMI after all the limitations and problems from last year? Ideally you should use multiple, but if you have to use one, use JAXA.

    DMI graph is crap in comparison.


    • Neal S says:

      It may be hard to believe, but when you use profanity, it makes me think even less of your posts.

    • dave1billion says:

      “IT’S TOO SHORT A TIMESCALE to give anything meaninful on trends.”

      I’d argue that 500 years of observations would also fit that description.

      I’d strongly argue that information gathered in the satellite age would fit that description.

      It’s one of my major objections to the whole AGW hypothesis.

      If the geologic timeline lined up so that we were just entering the Little Ice Age you can be sure that the Big Climate would be arguing that our industrial development was causing it.

      We just don’t have enough reliable empirical information to make any conclusions. Especially conclusions that call for a radical, government enforced realignment of the world’s economy.

      The proxy data temper reconstructions are not reliable. The proxy that was used to create the (in)famous Hockey Stick had to paste observed temperatures onto the curved end of the stick because the observed data diverged from the data interpolated from the proxy.

      The computer models have not reliably predicted the temperature trend, so they are worthless.

      And due to the tampering with the actual, observed temperature data (cooling everything before 1979 or so, warming them afterwards) we can’t even rely on the reported temperatures anymore.

      So again, radically altering our civilization to “save it” is not justified by the facts and evidence, even if you throw a Pascal’s Wager in there positing that doing nothing risks an extinction level event.

    • AndyG55 says:

      TH has always used DMI,

      Just because it does show what you want it to show, … oh diddums!!

      What a pathetic whiner you are.

  3. Andy says:

    “Ice extent is highest for the date since at least 2011, and growing at a record rate.”

    Last 10 years extent on this date


    (download the dataset from Jaxa)

    So it should read ” Ice extent is highest for the date since at least 2014″

    Which is the year before last.


    • AndyG55 says:

      Net September Growth update (NSIDC)

      2007 -0.227
      2008 +0.012
      2009 +0.123
      2010 -0.02
      2011 +0.25
      2012 +0.173
      2013 +0.137
      2014 -0.002
      2015 +0.406
      2016 +0.705

      Despite the El Nino, and two major storms, 2016 is now above 2007, 2008, 2011, 2012, and 2015…


    • tonyheller says:

      Andy ignores utter nonsense from climate experts, and nitpicks about minor discrepancies in the way different agencies do their calculations.

      • AndyG55 says:

        This Andy also ignores utter nonsense from climate experts.

        Except when I want a bit of a laugh. :-)

        Wadhams is one of the wackiest and most WRONG of all climate scifantists. (and that is a hard bar to reach)

        He deserves to have a measure of sea ice named after him. :-)

  4. CheshireRed says:

    Hard as it may be to believe but the Independent was even worse for extreme climate alarmism than the Guardian. They had an environment editor (now science editor) named Steve Connor who penned some of the most insanely stupid articles you could ever wish to see. They regularly ran climate hysteria as the front page lead article. The result….circulation fell through the floor and the Independent has now ceased in print form.

    • Colorado Wellington says:

      Look at the bright side. It made them independent of the print circulation numbers. They are more independent than ever …

  5. John Smith says:

    “first time in 100,000 years”
    So … just like when the ice was a mile thick over Toronto?

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