Record Arctic Sea Ice Growth Continues

Arctic sea ice extent is the highest since at least 2011, and growing at a record rate.

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48 Responses to Record Arctic Sea Ice Growth Continues

  1. Ron Clutz says:

    Yes, the refreezing rate is even faster than last year.

    https://rclutz.wordpress.com/2016/09/27/arctic-ice-resurgent-sept-27/

    • Stewart Pid says:

      Ron / Tony …. with DMI showing above average temperatures on their graph for about the last 30 days it makes you wonder how real the low ice values were … ie how much scattered about ice was conveniently being ignored! Something strange is happening with record freezing and anything but record cold.

      • Caleb says:

        I think you are right, Stewart. Tony documented that the ice was thicker and the volume was building. Then the two big August Gales (plus smaller storms) smashed that thick ice to bits and scattered it. This would create a situation hard to measure by conventional means; namely: scattered bergs, with the bergs much thicker than normal.

        Remember any ice that is less than 15% of the total coverage tends to be discounted, and that water gets labeled “ice free.” However there is a big difference between truly ice-free water and water that has a 10% smattering of big, thick bergs.

        I imagine the refreeze would be hastened by the fact the water was colder, chilled by the scattered ice, and also each berg serves as a starting point for surface ice to grow outwards from.

        Another problem may be that the thickness of the ice is sometimes determined to be the average of an area. So if you have open water, with a few thick bergs, the “average” will be thin ice. This messes with people’s perception of the reality; there is no thin ice in fact, and the ice that exists is thicker than most can guess, if they use charts.

        I was glad we had various boats up there taking actual pictures, as well as O-buoy 14, for some of the graphs had me very perplexed. If you get time, check out the DMI thickness and volume graph. It’s a hard one to explain.

      • Latitude says:

        above average air temp…is still below freezing
        over 90% is under water….it’s cold water

        I can’t get graphs to post on here…so click on the link if it doesn’t

        http://www.climate4you.com/images/OceanTemp0-800mDepthAt59Nand30-0W.gif

      • dave1billion says:

        Don’t be surprised if the current “Operational Product” is adjusted upward once the processing is completed.

        The Operational Product is red portion of the chart, which seems to be a preliminary estimate. Since the graph changed to the new methodology back in the spring we’ve often seen large variances when DMI changes from the Operational Product to the Climate Data Record (the portion of the graph in black).

        We saw an especially large variance from the Operational Record to the Climate Data record for July through August. Remember that at one time the red 2016 Ice Extent was very close to 2012. When they finalized to the Climate Data Record we saw a much more modest melt that closely tracked the lines of the non-2012 lines.

    • AndyG55 says:

      September Arctic sea ice growth

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  3. The Iconoclast says:

    Hottest. Year. Ever. Hottest year in 120,000 years. Blah blah blah. Looks like it could be within the 2 standard deviation boundary within weeks. But then they’ll have something else to jump up and down about, a heat wave in Modesto or an overflowing creek in Appleton.

  4. Robertv says:

    How inconvenient.

  5. Edmonton Al says:

    Our lake where we have the cabin showed from an aerial view last spring about 60% covered with ice. A day or two later a very strong wind pushed the ice to the far shore. Some lakeside cabins were damaged. The aerial coverage went from about 60% to about 5% simply because of the wind. The September arctic lows must be affected to some degree each year from the wind ,

  6. Dave N says:

    In the near future, the same fools will still be making the same (or similar) claims, and the same fools that believed them before will still believe them.

    I think I’ll dub it the Ehrlich Effect, because he has probably been the most consistent at such spectacular failure. If there ever was a subject that Lewandowsky should study instead of the absolute rubbish he churns out now, this would be it: “Why do humans continue to heap praise and respect on those who are utter failures at making predictions?”

  7. Andy DC says:

    It is irrefutable! If we do nothing, we are all going to die! 99% of climate scientists agree and the other 1% are locked away in mental institutions.

  8. Jimmy Haigh says:

    Cue superstorm “Sandy”. When? November 8? Consider it done.

  9. Joe says:

    You’re right Tony, even Arctic alarmist site NSIDC is showing the nice uptick: http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_stddev_timeseries.png

  10. AndyG55 says:

    Silly me, both graphs above were incorrect.

    I was working from day 245, but leap years have September start on day 246.

    Hopefully now fixed.. Sea ice growth for September

  11. Lasse says:

    Icefree sea pic up more sunlight and warm water will then melt the icecap at an accelerating rate.
    Is that not the case expert warmists has been telling us?

  12. Jim Hunt says:

    At the risk of repeating myself repeating myself repeating myself repeating myself repeating myself. So what?

    https://realclimatescience.com/2016/09/record-arctic-sea-ice-growth-continues-2/#comment-23841

    What would you expect?

    What, if anything, does it prove?

    • Richard says:

      “What would you expect?” “What, if anything, does it prove?”

      alarmism of the highest order if it said-

      “record decline”

    • AndyG55 says:

      I expect you to watch the Arctic sea ice INCREASING RAPIDLY

      And to stop bleating like a lost lamb.

    • AndyG55 says:

      Look at the numbers, Jimbo

      Sea ice gain September

      2007 -0.133
      2008 0.056
      2009 0.118
      2010 0.156
      2011 0.281
      2012 0.287
      2013 0.291
      2014 0.103
      2015 0.574
      2016 0.896

      … then get one of your Exeter buddies to change your nappy for you.

    • AndyG55 says:

      “At the risk of repeating myself …etc etc….”

      That’s what I call aimless yapping.

    • RAH says:

      A. . The much hyped potential for a new satellite record Sept minimum predicted was wrong despite two strong storms which negatively effected extent and volume and the effects of a Super El Nino.
      B. The “death spiral” of Arctic ice remains a figment of “scientists” imagination.
      C. The continued use of Arctic Sea ice as a measure of climate change/GLOBAL warming is folly and people like you have now for years been wasting their time hyping the “decline”.
      D. That you believe that only records of decline are significant indicators of climate and not records of growth and have thus been proven to be an advocate and not an objective observer or reporter.
      E. More than the voyage of the Northabout when it comes to the direction the climate is actually going.

      etc, etc, etc.

    • Stewart Pid says:

      Jim u seem to be taking a strange and illogical position on this subject.
      So what – well in the context of the alarmist articles etc about a melting arctic it is interesting that said arctic can freeze up at record rates.
      What would u expect – well given the DMI temp north of 80 graph showing temps slightly above average I would expect slightly below average rates of freezing … although there are other variables like water temp and wind to worry about. And Jim I guess I would ask what do you expect?
      What does it prove – well it proves that shills proclaiming an ice free arctic as imminent are just being alarmist opportunists who cherry pick the data and will shout a high melting rate from the treetops well sticking their heads in the sand when a high freezing rate occurs.

      • Colorado Wellington says:

        The Admiral could disown the shills or join them, in a very subordinate role. I think he had chosen.

  13. Mark M says:

    Here’s Al, March 2008 @ted saying “ice free arctic” in as little as 5 years! 6.30 mins:

    https://www.ted.com/talks/al_gore_s_new_thinking_on_the_climate_crisis?language=en#t-1855

    “In this brand-new slideshow (premiering on TED.com), Al Gore presents evidence that the pace of climate change may be even worse than scientists recently predicted.”

  14. Andy Watson says:

    And one month later

    https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent

    Lowest extent on this date since satellite records began. So why no posts Tony stating this fact? You were all over it when you had the large increase in September but since then gone very quiet.

    Thoughts?

    The winter maximum will be interesting this year after last years low value. Do you think it will be a low winter max this year?

    Andy

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