Another Arctic Alarmist Disaster

There has been very little melt going on in the Arctic Ocean the last few days, due to cold cloudy weather.

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This is not showing up in the DMI graph yet, but I expect it will in a few days. They always seems to be a few days late.

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A group of climate clowns were planning on sailing around the entire Arctic Ocean through the Northeast and Northwest Passages (to prove there isn’t any ice in the Arctic) but are stuck in Murmansk because the Northeast Passage is completely blocked with ice.

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Tracking – The Polar Ocean Challenge

It is July 20, and they haven’t made it to the Arctic yet.

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The melt season is more than half over, with temperatures near the pole persistently below normal.

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This image overlays the actual ice map on the fake map showing their route. The dark red shows huge areas of ice which they weren’t expecting to see, and are blocking them.

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This is what happens when people listen to climate scientists, who are some of the most dishonest people on Earth – after Democratic politicians.

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Arctic could become ice-free for first time in more than 100,000 years, claims leading scientist | Climate Change | Environment | The Independent

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158 Responses to Another Arctic Alarmist Disaster

  1. RAH says:

    The One Percent are Coming to Canada’s Arctic
    http://www.macleans.ca/economy/the-one-per-cent-are-coming-to-canadas-arctic/
    ” Crystal won’t say what its ultimate plans are for Canada’s North. When asked, a spokesperson said only that “our luxury guests are affluent world travellers who seek and crave adventures in whatever form that term resonates with them.” But it’s worth noting that Crystal has inked an agreement to build a 1,000-passenger polar-class ship, to be ready in 2019, and has plans to buy two more.”

    “Only about one per cent of the Canadian Arctic is charted to the highest international standards, while about 10 per cent is charted to what’s considered a “safe” navigational standard. The percentages go up slightly—from 10 per cent to 30 per cent—if ships stay within narrow corridors, although it’s still far from reassuring. Cruise ships present a further challenge because, in addition to carrying delicate cargo, they’re under pressure to follow their eyes instead of their brains. “If you see something really spectacular and try to move toward it, suddenly your risk starts to go up,” Hutchinson says. It’s happened before. In 2010, the MV Clipper Adventurer grounded itself on a shoal near Kugluktuk, Nunavut, during a 14-day Arctic cruise. It took the nearest Coast Guard icebreaker nearly two days to travel the 500 km necessary to reach the stricken ship and evacuate its 128 passengers.”

  2. Douglas Hoyt says:

    31 F in Barrow at this moment and plenty of ice still offshore.

    See http://seaice.alaska.edu/gi/observatories/barrow_webcam

  3. AndyG55 says:

    Sunshinehours shows the sea ice about level with 2013.

  4. AndyG55 says:

    Interestingly, the DMI ice thickness chart is still stuck on 12th July.

  5. Steve Case says:

    A group of climate clowns were planning on sailing around the entire Arctic Ocean through the Northeast and Northwest Passages (to prove there isn’t any ice in the Arctic) but are stuck in Murmansk because the Northeast Passage is completely blocked with ice.

    Hmmmm, definition of insanity or stupidity or maybe arrogance: When you believe your own bullshit.

  6. RAH says:

    Looks like they’re going to try it. They’re GPS plot is moving so they’re sailing. They are leaving Murmansk right now heading out to give it a go.
    http://polarocean.co.uk/tracking/

  7. BobW in NC says:

    Would be no surprise if the current ice extent entered into the ± 2 SD error bar range. Normal. Warmists could not have that happen!

  8. Ann Chovie says:

    Look on the bright side. They are stuck in Russia and might not make it back.

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  11. OrganicFool says:

    Ship of Fools!

    • Neal S says:

      They do have a nuclear powered Russian icebreaker and considering how tiny their ship is, they could make it through some places where other ships couldn’t dream of going.

      But I do agree that they are still foolish and unlikely to achieve their objective.

      I might be curious what a hovercraft or an arctic version of a swampboat might be able to do. The goal of these folk however, isn’t to just get around the Arctic. They want to try to demonstrate by doing so, that there really is global warming. But many small boats have gone through the Northwest passage many times before and even if they do manage, it won’t actually prove anything.

      • Neal S says:

        I mistakenly thought they might have an icebreaker. I had read some crew reports of touring the Russian icebreaker Lenin.

        But as I wrote before … even if they do manage, it proves nothing.

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  13. Dave72 says:

    Climate “scientists.”

  14. Dave N says:

    “Challenge”? Lol.. Some “challenge” that barely goes above 30N

    • steve ridge says:

      When climate deniers aren’t claiming such a voyage is ridiculously easy (i.e., “some challenge), they’re mocking the entire endeavor as foolish for even trying.

      Which is it?

      • gator69 says:

        What kind of idiot would ever deny that climates change? And what sort of ass would think that there are people who deny that climates change?

        Oh! I see…

      • Colorado Wellington says:

        I learned empirically that anyone using terms like “climate deniers” is at the intellect level of those who only eat things that are “organic” because they don’t contain “chemicals”.

        I appreciate when such individuals self-identify. It saves time.

        • James Perrye says:

          Yes, it really does doesn’t it ?. . . .

          I’m not actually laughing at this attempt to prove the non-proveable, but it does make me wonder at the aparent lack of Geo-educational efficacy in their ‘scientific’ approach.

  15. Jim Hunt says:

    Their hypothetical ice map is reasonably accurate for the next leg of their voyage. It should be plain sailing for Northabout across the Barents and Kara Seas. They may well find Vilkitsky Strait still clogged with ice by the time they get there however.

    Call me a pedant if you will, but doesn’t 69.5 N count as “in the Arctic”?

    • AndyG55 says:

      Jimbo the clown returns.

      Have you found the courage yet, to admit the REALITY of the Holocene Arctic sea ice history.

      Or are you still LYING by omission, as is your only meme.?

      Run away from the REALITY, Jimbo… its what you do.

  16. diegosundevil says:

    Yes, 69.5 N is inside the arctic circle:
    From Wikipedia:
    “The position of the Arctic Circle is not fixed; as of 20 July 2016, it runs 66°33′46.3″ north of the Equator.[1] Its latitude depends on the Earth’s axial tilt, which fluctuates within a margin of 2° over a 40,000-year period, due to tidal forces resulting from the orbit of the Moon.[2] Consequently, the Arctic Circle is currently drifting northwards at a speed of about 15 m (49 ft) per year.”

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  22. Kent Clizbe says:

    Tony,

    Do you know if these jokers have Russian ice-breaker escorts, or help along the way?

    That could be a crucial factor.

    They may have the Russians breaking ice for them, and not admit it. Then when they come sailing out the other side, the trip would look like a success.

    Any idea?

    • tonyheller says:

      There is no way they are getting through without icebreakers.

      • steve ridge says:

        Case closed then!

        The ship isn’t stuck in the ice, although the entire denialosphere is buzzing that they are. No “arctic alarmist disaster” occurred and the wording was just perfect in generating hype and confusion while giving the author the ability to deny he ever said the ship was stuck.

        • Colorado Wellington says:

          They were supposed to leave Murmansk on the 13th. The route is blocked by ice further ahead and they had a very good reason to stay put. That’s a good sign showing they are not stupid.

          There doesn’t have to be any disaster at sea if they continue acting reasonably but unless the ice melts or opens up ahead of them, there will simply be no alarmist PR triumph. The media will cover for them if they don’t make it through and there will not be any alarmist PR disaster. That’s how it always worked in the past and I don’t see any sign of it changing.

          • steve ridge says:

            Then let’s examine the wording of “Another Arctic Alarmist Disaster.”

            The word “another” suggests it’s just one of many such debacles. This is intended to suggest the current circumstance is like prior news stories where ships actually were lodged in ice.

            What’s the “disaster”? The one that may or may not occur?

            It’s a disaster that the ship was delayed?

            Fact is, most people only read headlines and it’s obvious from the comments section throughout the denialosphere. Very few readers of this story understand that the ship wouldn’t encounter ice for another thousand miles.

            Just go check out the tabloids and blogs where the story got traction.

            This isn’t a coincidence.

          • AndyG55 says:

            When the boat gets BLOCKED at Vilkitsky Strait, it will be a PROPAGANDA DISASTER for the alarmistas..

            Are you STILL SO DUMB that you haven’t figured out that is what TH is saying.

            REALLY !!! ??????

          • AndyG55 says:

            “Very few readers of this story understand that the ship wouldn’t encounter ice for another thousand miles.”

            EVERY reader , except the REALLY DUMB ones like you understand.

            Breitbart, Monkton etc they know exactly what they are saying.

            It is your abject lack of basic comprehension that is the problem.

          • AndyG55 says:

            “It’s a disaster that the ship was delayed?”

            Its WHY they were delayed.

            They are hoping, praying that a way will open up, or they can match their timing with an ice breaker and follow it through.

            A propaganda disaster for the alarmist cause, that is FOR SURE. !!

          • steve ridge says:

            Sorry but reasonable people don’t see the current problem as a “disaster.”

            In fact, I doubt Heller did either but it helps conflate a mere delay with being outright immobilized by ice, which is the takeaway for pretty much anyone reading this in the tabloid press.

            Most people don’t go beyond headlines there.

          • RAH says:

            It is what Tony said it is. You work years to lay something like this on and then take your shot when you’ve been told the Arctic is going to have a record low minimal extent:
            http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2016/03/another-record-low-for-arctic-sea-ice-maximum-winter-extent/

            http://www.ibtimes.com/nasa-says-2016-hottest-record-so-far-arctic-sea-ice-cover-may-reach-new-lows-2393025
            etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum.

            Then your committed and you find it’s was all a total line of BS and fail miserably!

            It has happened time and again. From Kayakers to small vessels often with people ending up suffering frostbite or some other problems. People believing the BS their being fed.

          • AndyG55 says:

            Poor Steve, still hasn’t realised what an ABSOLUTE PROPAGANDA DISASTER this will be for the global warming alarminati, (if an ice breaker doesn’t accidentally show up).

            Its more than a “mere delay”.

            Unless large changes happen quickly…

            They KNOW they CANNOT get through.

            END OF JOURNEY…

            END OF STORY.

            I hope they don’t actually get into a dangerous situation through gross stupidity like the Turkey ship did.

            And you watch it disappear from the tabloid press when it does fail.

        • AndyG55 says:

          Case Closed…

          Steve is INCAPABLE of basic comprehension, he has proven this beyond a shadow of doubt.

          Their little journey ENDS at Vilkitsky Strait unless they have an ice breaker handy.

          That WILL be an ABSOLUTE DISASTER for the alarmist propaganda machine.

        • AndyG55 says:

          When their way forward is blocked… they are STUCK… end of story.

          Unless they give up and skulk back to the UK.

          • steve ridge says:

            With over a 1600 miles of ice-free travel ahead of the word “stuck” can’t be offered in good faith. It’s patently dishonest.

          • AndyG55 says:

            I assumed they will have pre-booked their hotel for the return to Murmansk ;-)

            Their route is BLOCKED.. end of story…

            unless they “accidentally” meet up with an ice breaker..

            .. but they wouldn’t be THAT dishonest, now would they ;-).

          • steve ridge says:

            Is there a precedent for that kind of dishonesty?

            Such dishonesty would be as bad as suggesting the ship is immobilized in Murmansk.

    • RAH says:

      Kent from what I have been seeing nobody is reporting they have an ice breaker leading the way. However check out this from the crew blog:

      http://polarocean.co.uk/evening-%d0%b4%d0%b0%d1%87%d0%b0-dacha-advice-icebreaker-men/

    • RAH says:

      No matter. If they use an ice breaker, which I think very unlikely one would be dedicated to lead the way for this tiny craft, or if they even follow the trail of an ice breaker that just happens to be going their way, it defeats the very purpose stated for the voyage in the first place.

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  25. tim says:

    Morons on ZH alert……… they are not stuck, look at their site………
    http://polarocean.co.uk/calendar/

    • tonyheller says:

      Reading comprehension problems much?

    • steve ridge says:

      Agreed, Tim. They’re nowhere near any ice. I’m stunned that nobody has bothered to look into this story and that they’re accepting it at face value. It’s all over conservative websites and originated here, made up out of whole cloth.

    • steve ridge says:

      Latest news: they never were stuck. Someone made this up. As of ten minutes ago, they were moving along at 11 km/hr and there has been no interruption in their journey. (See attachment.)

      It’s surreal how many people now believe this ship is/was stuck.

      • Gail Combs says:

        I do not think anyone said they were.

        It is pretty darn obvious from the map Tony put up in his article that they were at port and waiting for the ice to clear enough to make a try.

        We are just laughing at their idiocy in thinking they are actually going to make it.

        Oh well at least Canada now charges the idiots they have to rescue. Russia may just leave them or toss them in jail.

        • steve ridge says:

          So that makes three people on the internet that somehow read this story and didn’t think the ship was actually stuck. Go check out the followup discussions on Breitbart, the Daily Caller, and numerous other sites that made this a story.

          Maybe Tony should contact them and let them know what he really meant to say was that the ship wasn’t stuck in ice.

          In the name of fidelity to truth, he should correct the numerous commenters here who think the ship was stuck.

          “Another Arctic Alarmist Disaster” is beyond misleading and the blind acceptance of this story is surreal.

          • Gail Combs says:

            Do not forget the average IQ is 100 so half the population is really dumb and many can barely read.

            I have to keep reminding myself when I run up against the general idiocy of the human animal.

          • AndyG55 says:

            Seems Steve is in the lower half !!

            Double digits, at most.

          • steve ridge says:

            As I’ve said: the conservative buzz is that the ship is stuck near Murmansk. Them’s your people, Andy.

            Inserting a photo of a different ship surrounded by ice or guys walking on ice helped transform a non-story into a viral fake story. Murmansk is ice-free year round.

          • AndyG55 says:

            Poor Steve doesn’t even recognise the Turkey boat.

            Murmansk will be where they are forced back to when they can’t get through because they are blocked in the Vilkitsky Strait.

            I hope they like the place, because they will spending a lot of time there. :-)

            Or they could head back to the UK.

            DISASTER for the Arctic Sea Ice propagandists. :-)

          • steve ridge says:

            “Poor Steve doesn’t even recognise [sic] the Turkey boat.”

            Why use a boat that was known to have been stuck in ice then? There are two answers:

            – Adding more false association that this another boat immobilized like the others that received earlier media attention. As if to say, “See? See? It’s another Turkey boat!!!”

            – Giving 99.999% of the public the false impression that the photo is showing THIS boat stuck in ice.

            I make no apologies for being in the vast majority of the public that doesn’t recognize stuck boats, which explains precisely why tabloids and blogs are using that photo.

      • AndyG55 says:

        lets see them get through this.. without icebreaker assistance.

      • AndyG55 says:

        Close up of Vilkitsky Straits shows it chocked with 1 to 2+m thick ice.

  26. lyn roberts says:

    Didn’t they learn from the warmist crew that got stuck in the antartic a few years ago and had to be rescued by ice breakers, and then the ice breakers themselves got stuck.
    http://australian-news.net/articles/view.php?id=178

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  28. Neven says:

    A group of climate clowns were planning on sailing around the entire Arctic Ocean through the Northeast and Northwest Passages (to prove there isn’t any ice in the Arctic)

    Steven and others, do you think it is even possible to sail the NWP and NSR in one and the same season? And if so, what would it mean? Would you consider it an exceptional feat that has become possible only now that the NWP and NSR open up almost every year?

    • AndyG55 says:

      It might mean that the Arctic sea ice has maybe recovered from the LIA to somewhere near the ZERO sea ice of most summers of the first 3/4 of the Holocene.

      Arctic sea ice levels are STILL anomalously high for the current interglacial.

    • AndyG55 says:

      So no, we would NOT consider it an exception feat.

      Only a moron who refuses to admit to the real history of Arctic sea ice would consider that.

      Is that you ?

    • RAH says:

      If that small vessel completes the circumpolar journey in one season it will as much a matter of luck as skill. They are out to prove a point and make headlines but even if they make it they really will not prove anything because success will be as much a matter of luck as skill and their vessel is of such a size it means nothing as far as establishing that there is a practical ability for a real ship other than a first class ice breaker to make it. In the end it is nothing more or less than a great adventure for them and a publicity stunt.

      • AndyG55 says:

        They also have massive help and back-up from satellites that can tell them where the ice is, and isn’t…, something Amundsen never had back in 1903.

    • Jim Hunt says:

      Of course it’s possible in this day and age. It’s already been done!

      https://youtu.be/adFr93QtfL4

      • AndyG55 says:

        Arctic sea ice has been gradually recovering from the Little Ice age, back slightly towards the natural zero summer levels of most of the first 3/4 of the Holocene.

        Unfortunately, that recovery seems to have stopped., and with the AMO turning down, a strong La Nina forecast, and a sleepy sun, the level of Arctic sea ice will start climbing over the next several years.

        If they don’t get through this year, with all the technology they have behind them, it could be a VERY long time before they can make another attempt.

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  30. Griff says:

    They arrived in Murmansk on July 14th and sailed north on the 20th

    I can’t see they were stuck in Murmansk?

    http://polarocean.co.uk/tracking/

    • Neal S says:

      On July 15, Expedition Leader David Hempleman-Adams wrote in the crew blog …

      “Our latest news is we have problems on two fronts

      Ironically whilst the NW passage is now nearly open way ahead of schedule on the north east passage the route is Solid ice right up to the land and is the worst for many years. We are trying to predict when to leave as it will take 10 days to get to that point. Will it have changed by then. We don’t want to be stuck in the ice waiting. We also don’t want to miss an opportunity when we are sat in Murmansk. What to do !”

      http://polarocean.co.uk/two-problems-solid-ice-red-tape/

      • Jack says:

        The section of their website entitled “Ships Log” only contains logs since Murmansk. Are they trying to cover up the fact that they got stuck?

        • tonyheller says:

          They haven’t gotten anywhere near ice yet.

          • steve ridge says:

            Then why is the internet abuzz with the belief that they’re stuck?

            The claim started right in this very blog.

          • AndyG55 says:

            If morons like you can’t read what TH has written, don’t blame him.

            They were waiting in Murmansk, because there was no way through the sea ice.

            There still isn’t.

            Its full of 1 to 2+m thick ice.

            All they can do is go and have a look, then sail back to Murmansk.

          • steve ridge says:

            “If morons like you can’t read what TH has written, don’t blame him.”

            It’s pretty much every conservative on the internet who has bothered to respond to the numerous articles from such sources as Breitbart and The Daily Caller.

          • steve ridge says:

            For instance, the first sentence on Breitbart on this:

            “An expedition to the North Pole intended to measure the effects of global warming ground to a halt this month when the scientist’s ship got blocked by the ice packs near Murmansk, Russia, reports reveal.”

            Why are some of the sources carrying this story using this particular photo, given that the ship hasn’t yet encountered ice?

          • Gail Combs says:

            “Why are some of the sources carrying this story using this particular photo, given that the ship hasn’t yet encountered ice? “

            For the exact same reason the MSM showed film footage of riots at my university just after the Kent State Riots. There WERE no riots. The MSM made the entire story up out of thin air but the footage of the suposed riot was carried on all the major national news stations.

            The MSM could care less about the truth…

            “If it Bleeds it leads” unless of course they get orders from the owners.

            Heck the MSM said a buddy who drown in a diving accident was run over by a russian trawler. Makes better headlines than died of nitrogen narcossis doesn’t it?

          • AndyG55 says:

            Seems you can’t read Breitbart either

            You must have serious comprehension sh=kills.

            Says very clearly “got blocked by the ice packs near Murmansk, Russia, reports reveal.”

            Daily caller says “they are currently stuck in Murmansk, Russia because there is too much ice blocking the North East passage ”

            FFS !!! learn to read something other than the headlines, idiot !!

          • AndyG55 says:

            That picture seems to have originated from the Jay Webber s twitter feed.

            Is it the intrepid explorers playing in snow and ice in Murmansk while waiting in vain for a forward passage to appear ?

            Now off you go and find what the picture actually is, instead of yabbering aimlessly.

          • AndyG55 says:

            The Daily Caller uses a MUCH more appropriate picture. :-)

          • Jim Hunt says:

            Here’s an actual picture from the actual yacht in question.

            Can you see all the sea ice?

          • AndyG55 says:

            Again, Jimbo the clown intentionally mis-interprets.

            He LIES, and SCAMS and CONS with a twisted intent of DECEIT..

            Yes, they are not stuck in Murmansk, no-one said they were, they can sail back to the UK if they want, or go and look at the sea ice in the Vilkitsky Strait, if that is their pleasure.

            But the way the sea ice is, there is no way they can get through the NE passage, any more than Jimbo will ever admit to the real state of Arctic sea ice being anomalously HIGH compared to all but a fraction of the last 10,000 years.

          • Jim Hunt says:

            In which case perhaps you’d be good enough to pop in at WUWT and inform Viscount Monckton that he’s somehow managed to misunderstand Tony?

            “The expedition is holed up in – of all ghastly places – Murmansk. That’ll teach Them.”

          • AndyG55 says:

            They WERE hold-up in Murmansk, with nowhere really to go, no way through.. just back to the UK..

            They have now decided to go and have a look at all the sea ice in the way of their proposed route.

            GET OVER IT, you moronic dolt !!

          • AndyG55 says:

            I’m hoping they have enough commons-sense not to even try. Another Turkey rescue needed.

            Good think you aren’t on board , Jimbo…

            You would be STUPID ENOUGH to attempt it…

            … the Darwin award would await you.

          • steve ridge says:

            Very good point, Jim. The ship shown by Andy, the one so popular in the denialosphere that’s stuck in ice, isn’t even the right ship!

            Andy, are you going to go straighten out your buddies at WUWT, Breitbart, The Daily Caller, Hot Air, and numerous tabloids? Maybe give Lord Monckton a dose?

          • steve ridge says:

            Regarding the photo accompanying the story, Andy asks…

            “Is it the intrepid explorers playing in snow and ice in Murmansk while waiting in vain for a forward passage to appear?”

            Nope. Murmansk is ice free year round.

            And I thought anyone who believed the ship was stuck in ice at Murmansk was an idiot.

          • steve ridge says:

            In defending the stories that blew up this non-story and hyped us all to hell, Andy wrote…”Says very clearly “got blocked by the ice packs near Murmansk, Russia, reports reveal.”

            There was no ice pack “near” Murmansk.

            Scroll up, Andy. Heller inserted three maps above showing that Murmansk is about 800 miles from ice packs.

            Let me annotate that for you.

          • AndyG55 says:

            Steve , when you are the bottom of a very deep hole .. STOP DIGGING,

            you are making yourself look VERY STUPID.

            The next leg of their journey takes them through Vilkitsky Strait, which is relatively near Murmansk in terms of the journey.

            Unless there is a BIG change, their journey ends there.

            They are BLOCKED… END OF STORY !!

          • AndyG55 says:

            “The ship shown by Andy, the one so popular in the denialosphere that’s stuck in ice, isn’t even the right ship!”

            LOL, poor brainless Steve. Can’t even make the connection.. He DENIES the Turkey trip even happened. So incredibly DUMB

          • steve ridge says:

            Like nearly everyone on the planet, I don’t recognize stuck ships.

            … which is the precisely the point behind using that photo.

            That’s hardly denying the earlier incident. Sheesh!

          • AndyG55 says:

            Oh dear, poor Steve has just admitted his GROSS IGNORANCE.

            Everybody on here knows what ship this is. :-)

            roflmao !!!!!!

          • AndyG55 says:

            poor Steve.. he is now so deep in the hole, that every shovelful of ooze falls right back down on him.

            hint:

            STOP DIGGING, Steve !!

            You look like a FOOL !!

          • Jim Hunt says:

            Andy,

            “Everybody on here knows what ship this is”

            As sure as eggs is eggs it ain’t Northabout!

          • AndyG55 says:

            That ship was a MASSIVE PROPAGANDA FAILURE.

            Just like your web site.

          • steve ridge says:

            Andy wrote…”Says very clearly “got blocked by the ice packs near Murmansk, Russia, reports reveal.”

            As we’ve learned they were more than 1000 miles away from the “ice packs” at the Vilkitsky Straits.

            Since when is 1000+ miles “near” anything?
            You’re a sneaky little fellow!

            They still have another five days before that ice.

          • steve ridge says:

            Great website, Jim!

          • AndyG55 says:

            Latest quote from the boat..

            “we still have no chance of getting through yet, not past the cape or through the Laptev sea.”

            Back to Murmansk !!!

            What a monumental PROPAGANDA FAILURE this is turning out to be. :-)

            Let’s hope they aren’t stupid enough to do the Turkey trick.

          • AndyG55 says:

            The CON web site, CONS another fool. !!

          • AndyG55 says:

            “Since when is 1000+ miles “near” anything?”

            Its the next thing they will see.

            Their way is BLOCKED..

            (Unless they “meet” an ice breaker)

            …and where will they have to sail back to… Murmansk.

            A MONUMENTAL PROPAGANDA FAILURE. :-)

          • AndyG55 says:

            ““Since when is 1000+ miles “near” anything?””

            Hey, its good enough for temperature homogenisation and infilling.

          • steve ridge says:

            I guess it’s progress that you’re not showing them walking on ice.

            You wrote, “Back to Murmansk !!!”

            They’re turning back? Nah.

            From today’s update, the part you left out:

            “We are still 5 days from the ice, so lets hope for some southerly winds to push the ice from shore.”

          • steve ridge says:

            Andy said they “got blocked by the ice packs near Murmansk, Russia, reports reveal.”

            Please explain why 1000+ miles is “near” anything.

            Or should we just chalk that up to dishonesty and move on?

          • AndyG55 says:

            Chalk it up to your ignorance, that’s for sure.

            1000 miles is “near” up there..

            And as they say..

            ““we still have no chance of getting through yet, not past the cape or through the Laptev sea.””

            And if they are stupid enough to think a southerly wind will help them, There is a good chance that would make it worse.

            Without an ice breaker just happening to be handy, it WILL be “back to Murmansk”.

            and that will a PROPAGANDA DISASTER for the Arctic sea ice SCAMMERS like Jimbo.

          • AndyG55 says:

            The real HOPE is that they aren’t STUPID enough to try.

            I would hate to see then in a dangerous situation through rank stupidity, like the Turkey boat.

            Much better to see them skulking back to Murmansk, then the UK, with their tails between their legs. :-)

          • steve ridge says:

            “1000 miles is “near” up there…”

            Nah.

            1000 miles away isn’t “near” to anyone anywhere. The goal was to suggest the ship was already blocked. It worked. The world’s conservatives agree: those climatards on the boat were lodged in the ice… i.e., “stuck.”

            Breitbart’s take on this:

            “An expedition to the North Pole intended to measure the effects of global warming ground to a halt this month when the scientist’s ship got blocked by the ice packs near Murmansk, Russia, reports reveal.”

            We can agree to disagree and let others decide for themselves if the denialosphere as well as Heller were being misleading and if your redefinition of that 1000 miles as “near” is because you want to give cover for dishonesty.

            I’ll check back in four days as they approach the straits.

          • AndyG55 says:

            “The goal was to suggest the ship was already blocked.”

            Only in your mindless lack of comprehension.

            And yes.. it is BLOCKED.

            At present, by their own admission, there is NO WAY they are getting through the Vilkitsky Strait or across the Laptev Sea.

          • AndyG55 says:

            The best they can hope for at the moment is to go and take some pretty picture of the SEA ICE BLOCKING THEIR ROUTE.

            Then skulk back to Murmansk and then the UK.

            Won’t that be fun to play with.

            Please do come back when that happens . :-)

        • Jim Hunt says:

          Steve – Thanks for your kind words.

          Andy – They seem to have garnered lots of publicity here!

          • AndyG55 says:

            Adverse publicity and hilarity at their almost abject propaganda failure.

            You know all about propaganda failure, don’t you Jimbo.. your life’s work.

          • steve ridge says:

            “They seem to have garnered lots of publicity here!”

            I wouldn’t have heard about it without Tony spreading the word throughout the surreal world of the denialosophere.

          • Jim Hunt says:

            Shock news Steve!!! “Steve” is even publicising me now!

            Is the Polar Ocean Challenge About to End in Disaster?

          • steve ridge says:

            I think they have to acknowledge you after a certain threshold, so good going!

            I’m bothered that they’re lying about an ice breaker.

            Ultimately, the denialosophere will push the icebreaker meme to save face when the journey is complete.

            And the chumps will slurp up the lies without considering to asking for a sliver of evidence.

      • Neal S says:

        They wrote “it will take 10 days to get to that point”. The point they were talking about is the point where you have “Solid ice right up to the land and is the worst for many years.”

        Since they use up food and fuel and supplies during all times they are away from port, it makes no sense to hurry up to the edge of the solid ice and wait, hoping for an opening. So that is why they wanted to wait in port, to choose the best time to leave.

        • David A says:

          So they were blocked by ice, stuck in the nearest port that could keep them supplied. Sounds like a reasonable definition of near.

          • steve ridge says:

            I guess it doesn’t sound dramatic enough to say the ice was over 1000 miles away when you’re trying to make people think they were frozen in the harbor and immobilized.

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  38. AndrewS says:

    Maybe they will have to overwinter in the Canadian archipelago? Hope the chef knows how to cook polar bear. ;)

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    Man Plans and Schemes vai Dialectics

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  46. steve ridge says:

    They’re way ahead of schedule. They anticipated hitting the choke point of the Vilkitsky Straits around August 11th. They’ll get there two weeks early!

    They should have stayed “stuck” in the ice of Murmansk for another few weeks and enjoyed themselves!

    They posted this schedule before March 29th.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20160329131915/http://polarocean.co.uk/calendar/

    • steve ridge says:

      I should have said “ice” rather than ice since we know there was no ice anywhere near Murmansk.

      • AndyG55 says:

        Nah, just a total mass of sea ice blocking their path.

        They KNOW that can’t get through without a lot of help or a lot of luck with the weather.

        They will hole-up somewhere close …

        then just HOPE either for a miraculous weather event or a passing ice breaker…

        When those fail, they will skulk back to Murmansk, and that is the last we will hear of them. :-)

        • steve ridge says:

          Since they’re two weeks ahead, no problem! Let ’em pause and relax.

          They have plenty of time.

          You DID see that schedule, right Andy? Just making sure.

  47. KH says:

    The ice that was blocking the passage was that which has broken off the cap and flowed south.
    It’s symptomatic of melting.

  48. KH says:

    However deniers care to spin it, so much ice has broken off the polar cap that it’s interfering with navigation 800 miles away.

    • Gail Combs says:

      Now that is a new spin.

      You do know that in the summer the polar ice is ICEBERGS sitting in an ocean subject to movement by wind and storm don’t you???

      Even when huge thick glaciers move from land to the sea in the Arctic and Antarctic the action of the ocean eventually breaks up the ice.

      Some of us here, like Caleb, make a hobby of watching the polar ice cams as the ice breaks up in the summer and reforms in the winter.

      National Snow & Ice Data Center

      Data: Terminology

      Sea ice is described by the area it covers, its thickness, its age, and its movement with the winds and ocean currents. The Sea Ice Index data products that NSIDC distributes provide information about several sea ice characteristics. Here, we define several key characteristics that are of interest to scientists studying sea ice.

      When scientists study sea ice using remote sensing data, they typically describe data in terms of gridded fields. This means the data are provided in pixels, or discrete cells, of a certain shape and size. Most of NSIDC’s gridded sea ice data consist of fields of square cells that are 25.0 kilometers (15.5 miles) on a side, or covering an area of 625.0 square kilometers each (241.3 square miles). Scientists can calculate different quantities from these gridded fields….

      Concentration

      Concentration is a unitless term that describes the relative amount of area covered by ice, compared to some reference area. Thus, concentration describes how much of a 25.0 kilometer by 25.0 kilometer (15.5 mile by 15.5 mile) box is covered by sea ice. Ice concentration typically is reported as a percentage (0 to 100 percent ice), a fraction from 0 to 1, or sometimes in tenths (0/10 to 10/10). Our Sea Ice Index products show ice concentration as a percentage. A value of 0 means there is no ice, while a value of 100 means the region is completely covered by ice.
      Extent

      Extent defines a region as either “ice-covered” or “not ice-covered.” For each data cell, it is a binary term; either the cell has ice (usually a value of “1”) or the cell has no ice (usually a value of “0”). A threshold determines this labeling. A typical threshold is 15 percent, meaning that if the data cell has greater than 15 percent ice concentration, the cell is labeled as “ice-covered.” The Sea Ice Index products have a threshold of 15 percent. A threshold can also be as high as 30 percent….
      https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/seaice/data/terminology.html

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  52. Spurwing Plover says:

    Providing that back in the 1970’s there was a coming new ice age the same liberal rag TIME was blabbering about Global Cooling as much as their blabberng about Global Warming today which proves you cant ever trust anything said by TIME and the now defunked NEWSWEEK

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