Guardian : Methane Killed Us All Years Ago

Sad news. The Guardian and Nature Magazine say the Arctic is ice-free and methane killed us all two years ago.

Ice-free Arctic in two years heralds methane catastrophe – scientist | Environment | The Guardian

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22 Responses to Guardian : Methane Killed Us All Years Ago

  1. RAH says:

    Getting ready to go out on a team run to Seward, NE leaving at 22:00 and so I took a nap this afternoon. Went to sleep watching an episode of ‘Frozen Planet’. Sir David Attenborough was flying along the Antarctic western peninsula with some scientist that he said “had been studying that Antarctic ice for 25 years and never seen it like this”. From one place to another under a very bright Antarctic sun they flew showing the icebergs. All the way David proclaiming that if this or that happened the effects on sea levels and so forth would be felt around the world. It would have been a pretty good piece of propaganda for the uninformed.

    Of course the BBC’s ‘Frozen Planet’ series was first shown in 2011 and thus filmed in the years before then. I think that was before it was realized just how much geothermal activity there was in the region and most certainly before the Antarctic satellite era record sea ice extent of 2013.

    Still, when one disregards the propaganda it is an excellent and informative series and an example of one reason why I keep my TV service. The other reason I keep it is because doing so keeps the peace in my home.

    • Gail Combs says:

      Have a safe trip RAH.

      • RAH says:

        Thanks. I guess I am second up to drive so most of my first 10 hours will be in the sleeper. I should take over somewhere near Des Moines, IA if all goes well. I’ll take the load on in to the Teneco plant in Seward and drop the trailer in a door. Then go around to the shipping doors and pull a pre-loaded trailer out of there. I should make to somewhere near Bloomington, IL on the back haul before the other driver takes over to bring us back in. Hopefully we only have to do a single iteration of this milk run that goes 5 days a week. If you can’t tell, I’ve done this run several times in the past.

        • Steve Case says:

          So you’re still working – I’d like to thank you for paying your FICA taxes. I’m retired and contrary to popular belief Social Security is quite generous and is a significant part of our household income.

          • RAH says:

            Yea. I started paying into it when I was 16 years old and have not missed a year paying into it even during the years I was a full time student. When I started paying the deal was full payout for retirement at 65. Now it’s full pay out for retirement at 66 years 2 months.

            I’m not complaining though. I’m doing a job I like, though these days teaming is not my desire. I made about $70,000 in 2016. Not burning up the world but that is pretty darn good money, well above the average, for the part of the country I live in. And SS will be about 1/3rd of my retirement income as things stand now. If my health allows I may very well continue to drive a truck for some years after my 66th birthday.

          • annieoakley says:

            You have to be kidding. I have had my benefits reduced constantly over three years. I get letters every other week from them and cannot get my phone call answered for hours, even then the woman on the other end doesn’t know any answers.

    • Philip of Taos says:

      If we had record sea ice why did the sea levels not drop? Sorry just being silly, but I thought some one should ask a Warmist just for fun.

      • Rah says:

        Oh the meme was that the sea ice shelves hold back the glaciers that feed them. When the shelves break up the glaciers advance more quickly dumping their terrestrial ice into the ocean.

        • Gail Combs says:

          “… the meme was that the sea ice shelves hold back the glaciers that feed them…”

          Which is really stupid because it completely ignores both calfing, a normal glacier process and more important FRICTION plus load — the amount of snow feeding the glacier.

          As usual more FAKE NEWS.

          • dave1billion says:

            Also, it ignores basic mass-balance.

            If the ice shelf acts like a stopper to reduce the mass flow from the glaciers to the ocean, where is the extra mass going?

            My daughter can put a stopper in the tub to keep the water from flowing out, but once the tub is full that water has to go somewhere.

            In the case of a glacier, the only option would be for the glacier to pile up at the ice shelf’s edge. Not very likely. Glaciers seem to be me to be as close to an “irresistible force” as is possible. Eventually, ALL of the ice flowing out will reach the ocean.

  2. richard verney says:

    From the Article:

    How long do we have before the Arctic summer sea ice disappears?

    Given present trends in extent and thickness, the ice in September will be gone in a very short while, perhaps by 2015. In subsequent years, the ice-free window will widen, to 2-3 months, then 4-5 months etc, and the trends suggest that within 20 years time we may have six ice-free months per year

    So forecasting no sea ice for 6 months of the year. Do scientists not know how cold it is up in the Arctic and how little sun it receives for 6 months of the year.

    I thought that when scientists were talking about an ice free Arctic, they were talking about sea ice during 2 to 3 months in summer. It would need a very drastic shift in climate to that of the Holocene Optimum or beyond to have

    six ice-free months per year

    Trust the Guardian to publish such claims without any scrutiny whatsoever.

    • Gail Combs says:

      “six ice-free months per year???”

      Can you say FAKE NEWS!

      During the Holocene Optimum, near the START of the Holocene, you got short periods ice free during the summer but even then it is doubtful the earth say six months ice free since the sun would be barely above the horizon for at least a couple of those six months. As a very rough check, take the DMI Arctic Temperature graph below and shift the freeze line down ~3C per the paper below. You still only get 100 day or maybe 3-1/2 to a MAX 4 of months above freezing.

      SO that story doesn’t even pass a cursory sniff test.

      Temperature and precipitation history of the Arctic

      Solar energy reached a summer maximum (9% higher than at present) ~11 ka ago and has been decreasing since then, primarily in response to the precession of the equinoxes. The extra energy elevated early Holocene summer temperatures throughout the Arctic 1-3°C above 20th century averages, enough to completely melt many small glaciers throughout the Arctic, although the Greenland Ice Sheet was only slightly smaller than at present.”

      Ice free Arctic Ocean, an Early Holocene analogue

      …..We therefore conclude that for a period in the Early Holocene, probably for a millenium or more, the Arctic Ocean was free of sea ice at least for shorter periods in the summer……

      New insights on Arctic Quaternary climate variability from palaeo-records and numerical modelling

      …..Arctic sea ice cover was strongly reduced during most of the early Holocene and there appear to have been periods of ice free summers in the central Arctic Ocean……

      A peer-reviewed paper published in the Canadian Journal of Earth Sciences finds that Arctic sea ice extent at the end of the 20th century was more extensive than most of the past 9000 years. The paper also finds that Arctic sea ice extent was on a declining trend over the past 9000 years, but recovered beginning sometime over the past 1000 years and has been relatively stable and extensive since. —- Holocene fluctuations in Arctic sea-ice cover

      The Arctic Temperature for 2016.
      ROday the Arctic is lucky to get 75 to 80 days, MAX 3 months of temperature ABOVE freezing AND it takes time to melt ice.

  3. CheshireRed says:

    Nafeez Ahmed. Now there was an environmentalist extremist whack job. Took unreasonable to a whole new level. Dispensed with by the G under cost-cutting, perhaps because not enough were buying into their climate hysteria. Unlamented.

    • Gail Combs says:

      Hope he is now reduced to flipping burgers…

      But unfortunately not:

      Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed is a British author and investigative journalist. He is Executive Director of the Institute for Policy Research and Development,(IPRD), an independent think tank focused on the study of violent conflict in the context of global ecological, energy and economic crises…
      Ahmed’s academic work has focused on the systemic causes of mass violence. He has taught at the Department of International Relations, University of Sussex, and has lectured at Brunel University’s Politics & History Unit at both undergraduate and postgraduate levels, for courses in international relations theory, contemporary history, empire and globalization….

      He is a member of the Executive Committee of the British Muslim Human Rights Centre at London Metropolitan University’s Human Rights and Social Justice Institute. Formerly, he was a senior researcher at the Islamic Human Rights Commission.

      Ahmed’s main focus is on Western military action, counterinsurgency, the war on terror, and the interconnections of systemic global crises.

      Now he has moved on to lying about international security and tracking the ‘war on terror’ in the context of what he calls the ‘Crisis of Civilisation.’ We probably have him to thank for the idiotic meme that the RapeUgee influx into the EU is caused by ‘Climate Change’ his About linkand not Migration as Jihad

      Migration is part of the doctrine of jihad. Migration is so important that the Islamic calendar is based upon the Hijra, Mohammed’s migration from Mecca to Medina. Why? Because it was migration that lead to the creation of jihad in Medina. And it was jihad that made Islam triumphant.

      In the past Muslims tended to stay in Islamic countries. Today, the new politics is to migrate to Kafir lands and immerse themselves in local politics. This is the jihad of money, writing and speech. Their politics is to bring the Sharia to Kafir culture. An example is using Islamic money is to build departments in universities that will support Sharia and never criticize Islam….

      And that is what this LYING son of a syphilitic camel is up to.

  4. dave1billion says:

    Also from the article, according to Prof Wadhams:

    “A very great physicist, Richard Feynmann, said that when a model comes up against measurements that contradict it, it is the measurements that must be preferred and the model must be abandoned or changed. Scientists who have a lot of their credibility bound up in a model are reluctant to do this.”


  5. oeman50 says:

    Maybe that explains why I am helping this boy who says, ” I see dead people.”

  6. AndyG55 says:

    USCRN is now in for December

    Confirms the MASSIVE drops in temperatures for December 2016

    In Celcius,changes in anomalies are…..

    USCRN… -3.03℃
    UAH USA48… -1.85℃
    RSS3.3… -3.29℃

    And that’s in winter. !

    Get those heaters pumping , guys !!!

    And be very glad you haven’t gone too much for the unreliables.

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