Experts Continue Their Arctic Lies And Fraudulent Forecasts

Climate experts continue to lie about the state of the Arctic, and try to whip the public into hysteria – so scientists can keep extorting money.

Ice extent is at the ten year mean, and with nothing but cold in the forecast will continue along that track. And only a complete moron (i.e. a progressive) would believe that ice extent shrinks in the winter.

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Expert: Arctic polar cap may disappear this summer_English_Xinhua

North Pole May Be Ice-Free for First Time This Summer

Others were more conservative and said the ice wouldn’t be gone until 2012.

Star-News – Google News Archive Search

Some were even more conservative and said the ice wouldn’t be gone until 2013.

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Arctic summers ice-free ‘by 2013’

Nobel laureate Al Gore was very, very conservative and said the ice wouldn’t be gone until 2014.

Gore: Polar ice cap may disappear by summer 2014

NASA’s top climate prophet said the Arctic might not be ice-free until 2018

The Argus-Press – Google News Archive Search

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114 Responses to Experts Continue Their Arctic Lies And Fraudulent Forecasts

  1. Griff says:

    Sea ice extent is currently tied with 2007 at second lowest for the date, not far off the record for 2012…

    and it has been just 10 years since the dramatic drop in 2007, since when we haven’t recovered to pre 2007 levels.

    Saying its “like the average in the 10 worst years on record” when it still could end up 2nd lowest or a new record is just a refusal to look at the facts.

    • tonyheller says:

      Sea ice extent is just above the 10 year mean. Enough BS.

    • Gator69 says:

      What makes those years “worst”? Melting ice is killing nobody, unlike you and your doomer cult.

    • Norilsk says:

      Regardless of where it’s at, it’s not dead yet.

    • R. Shearer says:

      That’s nothing! I have under shorts older than the satellite record, fact.

    • AndyG55 says:

      Current sea ice extent is FAR above what is has been for 90-95% of the last 10,000 years.

      Why do you constantly DENY this fact griff.

      Are you trying to push some sort of ANTI-SCINECE agenda or some sort.

      Brain-washed repetitive IGNORANCE seems to be all you have to offer.

      • Griff says:

        I tell you again, that’s irrelevant

        comparing a different set of conditions influencing the ice then with today’s influences is not a valid comparison.

        • arn says:

          Conditions ALWAYS change.

          From day to day,from month to month ,from year to year.

          Who is to say which conditions can be compared and which not?You:)

          1)we have the same sun
          2)the same planet
          3)the same atmosphere

          Now when someone can come up with huge claims and predictions(and even fails miserably)
          we should compare the results.
          When we find out that the conservative predictions are far more accurate than the apocalyptic-give me all your money or we all gonna die-guys than
          it should be acceppted.

          (but im pretty sure you ‘ll never run out of excuses and twists)

          • Griff says:

            There was a major, orbital inclination, factor influencing summer melt in the Eemian which is not present now.

            Ignoring that massive change in conditions when comparing makes a nonsense of the comparison

        • AndyG55 says:

          RUBBISH.

          There is NOTHING happening mow that hasn’t happened in the NATURAL climate variability before.

          The only difference is that you seem to have got your hands on some substance that numbs your brain, and gives you constant bed-wetting.

          Arctic sea ice levels are above those of 90-95% of the last 10,000 years.

          This is the perspective that will cure your nappy-wetting problems.

          But you won’t accept the truth, will you griff..

          you enjoy your wet nappies too much..

          … they your only enjoyment in life !

        • AndyG55 says:

          “I tell you again” ROFLMAO…

          The mindless yapping of a demented Chihuahua that sits in its own piddle, !!

        • Gator69 says:

          Ms Griff, before you can claim a “different” mechanism, you must first…

          1- List all climate forcings

          2- Quantify all climate forcings

          This has never been done, so stop lying about the mechanisms. And then stop hating poor brown people.

          • Griff says:

            clearly there is a climate forcing as regards the ice in the eemian which is not present now – the then stage of the Milankovitch cycle.

            so conditions now have produce melting, without that massive forcing influence…

    • AZ1971 says:

      So what happened in 2007 with the “dramatic drop” in Arctic sea ice extent? Did humanity suddenly pump out an extra-super-jumbo-large dose of CO2 that caused feedback looping, or perhaps simply some natural variation like shifting winds?

      • Griff says:

        It was ‘preconditioned’ to the point where the conditions in 2007 caused the drop…

        http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2008GL034005/full

        Preconditioned by climate change…

        • AndyG55 says:

          BULLSHIT.
          2007 was a levelling off point at the peak of the AMO.

          Why do you keep up your nil-educated DENAIL of the FACTS, griff !!

          Arctic sea ice levels are still ab0ve what they have been for some 90-965% of the Holocene.

          What we have seen in the last 40 or so years is a RECOVERY from the EXTREMES of the late 1970’s. Those EXTREMES were up there with the EXTREMES for the LIA, the coldest, most inhospitable period of the last 10,000 years.

          If that is what you wish to go back to, rather than a recovery to a more benign climate, then move out of your fossil fuel warmed inner city ghetto, and go live in Siberia.

        • gator69 says:

          Preconditioned by climate change…

          What an utter moron, and evil bastard.

          Why do you hate poor brown people Ms Griff?

          • Griff says:

            Lets see – I’m a moron for quoting from a detailed research paper by actual scientists?

            where is your presentation of science to contradict this?

    • Andy DC says:

      Considering the “record” only goes back to the juicy outlier cherry pick of 1979 (most sea ice since the Little Ice Age), it has very little meaning. Saying that there is less sea ice now than the record highs of 1979 is in fact downright meaningless in terms of longer term trends.

      There seems to be excellent evidence that current sea ice levels are similar to lots of years prior to 1979. The current levels appear to be well within the range of natural variability and there has been no downtrend at all for the past ten years.

      Tony recently pointed to a National Geographic chart that showed that sea ice levels today are very close to those in 1971.

      • Griff says:

        That national geographic chart is just a graphic… nowhere on it does it say when or how the ice shown was measured. It has no value for comparison at all.

        And there are excellent records on ice pre 1979, which have been checked and collated back to 1850.

        We have the lowest ice now since 1850/record examined… lower (as Judith curry will attest) than in the low of the 1940s.

        • AndyG55 says:

          DENIAL of history is the ONLY thing you have left, isn’t it , little bed-wetter.

          If you had even the remotest perspective of history, you would know that current Arctoic sea ice is GREATER than it has been for some 90-95% of the last 10,000 years.

          Accepting that FACT, may actually keep your nappy dry for more than 10 minutes

        • gator69 says:

          We have the lowest ice now since 1850

          I am the oldest since my birth.

          How can such a moron be so evil?

          Why do you hate poor brown people Ms Griff?

        • Latitude says:

          We have the lowest ice now since…the Little Ice Age

        • GW Smith says:

          My first thought is, so what was so bad about 1850, we recovered just fine, didn’t we? I get the feeling that you believe this time we won’t recover, that Nature’s natural cycles won’t continue, and this time we’ll simply burn up.

  2. Kris Johanson says:

    I still don’t understand the import of all this. Ice melts…. the BTU’s have to come from somewhere, so it’s taking the BTUs out of ocean water. So what?! It points to a simple energy transfer, not necessarily an energy anomaly… Where’s the mass and energy balances with these Ice Extent graphs? We’re not even given the mass or latent heat content of the object being plotted on these graphs. It’s crayons on the back of a napkin, in my opinion.

  3. Kris Johanson says:

    If you could graph over a sufficiently long period of time, say, the mass-temperature-latent heat of the object being studied (the ice)…. the mass, flow rate, temperature and heat content of water entering and leaving the area…. the heat flux from underwater sources…. and from the atmosphere…. and be able to show that all your data processing was audited and certified by a third party who bore financial and criminal liability for their work product; then maybe I would consider letting you upend Western Civilization, rip up the U.S. Constitution, and set up a new Global government run by Goldman Sachs and Siemens Engineering

  4. Jim Hunt says:

    Enough BS Tony! A reader writes about IMS/MASIE:

    http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2017/08/facts-about-the-arctic-in-august-2017/#comment-222688

    This multisensor data set is produced with a number of satellite resources which are non-stationary throughout the product lifetime, and extreme caution should be taken when involved in long-term trend analysis.

    Please use the official sea-ice data record, https://nsidc.org/data/nsidc-0051, for long-term trends.

    • Gator69 says:

      Once again Genocide Jim makes no bones abou the fact that he is willing to sacrifice millions of humans for meaningless ice. Great PR move for the team!

    • sunsettommy says:

      Meanwhile Jimmy,keeps ignoring the main point of the blog post.

      Do you know what it is….. Jimmy?

      Crickets.

    • AndyG55 says:

      Long term trends , you say, Jimbo

      You KNOW the current level is only just below its most EXTREME extent in the last 10,000 years

      Why are you trying to desperately to show how IGNORANT you are??

      Pushing some sort of anti-human agenda of some sort that forces you to ignore any sense of REALITY?

    • AndyG55 says:

      NOTHING on the great big CON/SCAM site, could EVER be described as FACTS.

      It is LIES and MISINFORMATION from the very first page.

      A veritable AGW propaganda SEWER.

  5. arn says:

    1 million failed predictions
    and most people still believe those modern priests every word they say 100%
    instead of holding them accountable.

    We are a doomed species.

  6. John F. Hultquist says:

    … the dramatic drop in 2007 …

    … was an interesting combination of a lack of ice blockages in the various outlets (straits) and significant winds that just happened to line up with those outlets. Bergs were flushed out of the Arctic Ocean where warmer waters brought about the melting.
    While interesting, this was not a result of a global warming tipping point. Anyone interested in Earth systems and processes is thrilled to see such things. What a spectacular and special place Earth is.
    The other event that fits this notion is the, so called, Superstorm Sandy and high tides. Alignment of astronomical objects is called a syzygy (SIH-zhih-jhee) So, for “Sandy”, the higher-than-normal tides added to the storm surge. The big pressure systems that caused the westward turn of the storm’s track was a simple issue of bad timing for the low areas.
    It is a shame so many people are living there. It should be a natural area, reserved for plants, birds, and animals.

    • Andy DC says:

      As bad as Sandy was, the 1938 hurricane was far, far worse. Like a 186 mph wind gust at the Blue Hill Observatory, places on Long Island wiped off the map, whole forests leveled and close to 700 fatalities. The weather of the 1930’s was far more extreme than anything in recent years.

      • Rah says:

        A lot of people still think Sandy was a major hurricane when it came ashore in NJ. In reality it was an extra topical storm driving the water off an exceptionally high tide towards shore in a confined area.

        One can explain that and post links to the official data until your blue in the face, but they don’t care about facts and you won’t change their minds.

    • Griff says:

      Of course it was a tipping point…

      Has the ice extent recovered to pre-2007 levels?

      what about 2012, even lower, or 2016 and (looks like) 2017, at 2007 levels?

      What about the decline in ice thickness/volume? Decline of thick multi year ice.

      It was not a coincidence any more than this year’s low extent will be.

      • AndyG55 says:

        Yes, it was a tipping point.

        It was when the RECOVERY from the EXTREMES of the late 1970’s stalled, and levelled out.

        Multi-year sea ice was UP this year according to the only people who would actually know, the Russians.

        You really have to find a cure for your constant zero-knowledge bed-wetting. It really is becoming a monuMENTAL JOKE.

      • gator69 says:

        Ms Griff, the Arctic is recovering. It is recovering from the LIA. Idiot.

        Why do you hate poor brown people Ms Griff?

  7. R. Shearer says:

    Based on the looks of Gore today vs yesteryear, I think he will blow up before Arctic ice is completely gone in the summer, like it was 6000 years ago.

  8. CheshireRed says:

    Joe Bast’ has a graph showing from when Al Gore made An Inconvenient Truth to today. Oh look, temps lower today than back then. Catastrophic, indeed. When will someone in gov’t have the courage to put a STOP to such a blatant fraud?

    https://twitter.com/BigJoeBastardi/status/894950281619943424/photo/1?utm_source=fb&utm_medium=fb&utm_campaign=BigJoeBastardi&utm_content=894950281619943424

    • John F. Hultquist says:

      Joseph Bast is the president and CEO of The Heartland Institute.

      Thus, Joe Bast’ caused momentary confusion.

  9. The science of thermalization (of thermal EMR) and the Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution of molecule energy explain why CO2 does not now, has never had and will never have a significant effect on climate.

    Water vapor, a ghg, has made the planet warm enough for life as we know it. WV increased fairly slowly until about 1960. Since then it has been increasing at about 1.5% per decade and is now about 8% higher than it was in 1960. The still-rising water vapor (WV) is rising more than twice as fast as expected from water temperature increase alone (feedback, water temperature from HadCRUT4).

    The rising WV coincides with rising irrigation, especially spray irrigation on fields and lawns. The warming (perhaps explaining the slight rise in the UAH temperature trend) is welcome (countering the average global cooling which would otherwise be occurring as a result of declining net effect of ocean cycles and a declining proxy which is the time-integral of SSN anomalies) but the added WV increases the risk of precipitation related flooding. How much of recent flooding (with incidences reported world wide) is simply bad luck in the randomness of weather and how much is because of the ‘thumb on the scale’ of added water vapor? Detailed assessment of this is at globalclimatedrivers2

  10. toorightmate says:

    Where’s Griff?

    • Colorado Wellington says:

      She may have been recalled.

      • AndyG55 says:

        Catastrophic mental failure, causing constant bed-wetting.

        • Griff says:

          do you never wonder why so few people get swayed by the skeptic argument on climate?

          • arn says:

            do you ever wonder why so few people get swayed by the islam-sceptic arguement.

            Especially those(gay/women/child/peace/animal rights activist)
            who stand for the exact oppossite islam stands for??

            Because they have been indoctrinated:
            Indoctrinated on such a large scale that they not just ignore something they absolutely reject,but they will even defend it like idiots.

            That’s the reason.
            If we had a balanced media presence(pro/anti trump//pro/anti islam//pro/anti AGW)
            and no name calling/defaming
            the results would be completely different.

          • AndyG55 says:

            NO-ONE is swayed by your moronic ZERO-KNOWLEDGE prattle, griff.

            You are considered a z-class clown,, at best.

            You are LAUGHED at wherever you post your child-minded bed-wetting garbage.

          • gator69 says:

            do you never wonder why so few people get swayed by the skeptic argument on climate?

            Actually, skeptics are winning the argument, jusy like we win debates, that is why a UN poll showed climate chnage as the dead last concern, behind internet access! LOL

            Maybe if you guys stopped snuffing out poor brown people, you would get better PR.

          • Latitude says:

            Well Griff, you’re side is certainly losing ground…and at a unprecedented rate

          • Terry says:

            Actually Griff, the wonder is that with all the corporate/political/media resources bringing their massive propaganda/indoctrination machine to bear on people that there are still countless millions of sceptics who easily see through the deception and remain in control of their own thoughts. Seriously Pumpkin, its not that hard to see that even if global warming/climate change/spin dejour exists, it 1. is not catastropic
            2. fighting it causes more harm than good
            3. life is better with more carbon dioxide
            4. the issue is made to benefit the ruling class
            and that is why the ruling class pays you to come online here and troll sceptical blogs. Love You sweetie!

          • Rah says:

            Because, as the polls show skeptics and those which don’t give a hoot about the issue because they’re grounded in the reality that there are far more important issues, out number Alarmists by a considerable margin.

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            Yes, I know, Ms Griff …

        • Colorado Wellington says:

          Yep, constant. Wet and delusional.

  11. AndyG55 says:

    WOW, Central Arctic is really not melting at all !!

    • Griff says:

      Perhaps because its the last bit to melt….

      any comment on the ice around it? Very low extent there…

      • AndyG55 says:

        No griff, Arctic ice is not “low”

        You continue with your MORONIC DENIAL and WILFUL IGNORANCE of the fact that current Arctic sea ice level are actually higher than the have been for some 90-95% of the last 10,000 years.

        What is your aim.. to make people see what a low-level uneducated, anti-science , bed0-wetting chicken-little you really are??

        You are succeeding admirably.

        If your aim is to push some anti-science AGW agenda…..

        …… you are a TOTAL and UTTER FAILURE.

      • gator69 says:

        The only things that are low Ms Griff, is your intellect and morals. No decent or thoughtful human being sacrifices millions of innocent humans for meaningless ice.

      • Stewart Pid says:

        Grifftard – do you ever go over to DMI and look at the temps north of 80 being below average all spring / summer so far and wonder if you are backing the wrong horse?
        I bet not since your mind is made up and you don’t want to be confused by any facts.
        http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php

        • Griff says:

          I do…

          And yet we are still seeing melting at same rate as 2016, rivalling 2007 and still in with a chance of catching 2012.

          all in a cold year.

          Makes you think, eh?

          • AndyG55 says:

            “Makes you think, eh?”

            NOTHING could make you think, griff.

            You are INCAPABLE !!!

          • AndyG55 says:

            So , no faster melting than 2007, after the LARGEST SMB gain for a long time.

            Take your foot out of your mouth , griff.

            It makes you look even more like a fool.

          • gator69 says:

            Makes you think, eh?

            Well, not you Ms Griff, you have no regard for human life. Especailly when it comes to poor brown people.

          • Andy DC says:

            http://www.natice.noaa.gov/ims/
            Griff,

            Why do you keep denying this attached Arctic sea ice chart, produced daily by the US Ice Center and the US Navy? It keeps showing sea ice at or a little above the 10 year mean. At the very least you have to admit that there has been a pause with respect to sea ice loss.

            You also need to stop denying that the 1979 start of the alarmist’s charts is an absurd cherry pick, because 1979 was an extreme outlier, the most sea ice since the Little Ice Age. On this blog, Tony recently demonstrated that 1971 sea ice extent was nearly identical to that of today.

          • AndyG55 says:

            griff DENIES this one as well.

            NOTHING will change his bed-wetting habits.

  12. Edmonton Al says:

    I say give up on Griff..
    She is a confirmed disciple of AGW, and no amount of logic will change her mind.
    Only time will prove her wrong….

    • Gator69 says:

      Actually, we prove her wrong on a daily basis. And then there is that genocide thingy.

      • Edmonton Al says:

        Yes.. Right on.
        I meant that she will, in time, eventually realize that she is wrong.

        • Colorado Wellington says:

          Maybe, and maybe not. Their brains work differently.

          Darkness at Noon comes to mind. The new followers don’t study like the old guard but maybe she’ll rise to the occasion. In the end she could find herself asking:

          For what am I fighting?

          That would be good enough success. Think Special Olympics for Leftists.

        • AndyG55 says:

          “I meant that she will, in time, eventually realize that she is wrong.”

          I very much doubt it has the ability to realise it is wrong.

          It lives by cognitive emptymess.

    • Stewart Pid says:

      Some of you should look at things from Griff’s perspective. Personally I can’t get my head that far up my arse but some of you maybe more flexible ;-)

    • GW Smith says:

      I say let her have her word and stop the insults. Good ideas are honed on regular descent.

    • Griff says:

      what will not change my mind is any of the science I post being met with the sort of namecalling most people stop producing in first grade.

      Argue with scientific argument, evidence and maybe I’d change my mind.

      do you never wonder why more people are not swayed by skeptic arguments?

      A clue: they come here and find accepted science not argued against, but just a tide of vile juvenile insult…

      • AndyG55 says:

        You are now doing the “VICTIM” are you.

        PATHETIC and Very left-wing of you.

        You are a KNOWN LIAR and a KNOW low-level TROLL..

        You are a KNOWN DENIER of science and history.

        You are a KNOWN Arctic chicken-little bed-wetter, based on a highly beneficial drop from the EXTREME of the late 1970’s.

        So stop your pathetic whimpering.

      • AndyG55 says:

        “Argue with scientific argument, evidence and maybe I’d change my mind.”

        ROFLMAO.

        There has been masses of science put in front of you showing that the Arctic sea ice is above what it has been for 90-95% of the last 10,000 years , and that late 1970’s extent was a large EXTREME.

        You just ignore it.

        You would NEVER change your Arctic bed-wetting , no matter how many facts were put in front of you. Its the only thing you have in your life.

        YOU ARE A LIAR. , and NOTHING but a low-level child-minded, bed-wetting AGW troll.

      • gator69 says:

        do you never wonder why more people are not swayed by skeptic arguments?

        Yeah, some people are just plain evil.

  13. Advocatus Diaboli says:

    Tony, have you put together a video collecting these failed predictions of “A”GW climate doom? Even without a sound track, it would be interesting to show the headlines over time to people who trust the MSM. You know, how the Arctic melted in 2013 and Miami sank under the ocean, etc.

  14. Windsong says:

    Lots of comments above on what has happened to ice and what will happen, etc. Just for giggles, looked up some current observations. Buoys at 82.5N and 85N both report 32F at 1600 UTC today. The northern-most ship reporting to the NDBC Ship Obs system was at 79.7N west of Svalbard in the Greenland Sea. At 1600 UTC it reported a water temp of 31.3F and an air temp of 29.7F.

    • Gonzo says:

      It’s getting cold above 80N. They alarmists need some sort of hail mary cyclone to cheer them up. It’s so depressing for them when there’s no melt crisis.

      • Griff says:

        it is…

        but the ice is thin, dispersed and there is a storm up there with more on the way…

        • AndyG55 says:

          You know the current level is much higher than 90-95% of the last 10,000 years.

          Why are you continuing to wet your nappy about the natural discovery from the HIGHEST extend in the whole of the Holocene.?

          What child-minded AGENDA are you trying to push?

          Everybody can see your refusal to accept the FACTS.

          Everyone can see you are nothing but a LYING anti-fact TROLL.

        • AndyG55 says:

          And the trend in the last 10 years has been basically ZERO.

          The RECOVERY from the extremes of the late 1970’s has stalled,

        • gator69 says:

          Killing humans over thin ice? Yeah, that’s gonna win hearts and minds…

  15. Stewart Pid says:

    Obuoy14 was looking like the melt ponds were freezing yesterday but the camera is fogged up today http://obuoy.datatransport.org/monitor#buoy14/camera
    Temps have been at or well below freezing a lot of the time http://obuoy.datatransport.org/monitor#buoy14/weather

    This would be a good place to send the Grifftard to “get his head straight”.

    • AndyG55 says:

      No, despite all grifff’s bed-wetting about a recovery from extreme sea ice levels due to a rise from the coldest period in 10,000 years, ..

      the griff loves his warm, social-benefit-provided, inner-city, fossil fuelled, ghetto basement , and only wishes the freezing cold on the people living up in the Arctic..

  16. Douglas says:

    The North Pole has already melted!
    We are all going to DIE I tell ya!!!
    Ever hear of the USS Skate?
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/26/ice-at-the-north-pole-in-1958-not-so-thick/

    • Griff says:

      yes.

      I’ve read the Captain’s account of having to dive under ice 100ft thick near the Pole.

      None of that left, now.

      And finding a polyna near the pole to break thru into is not the same as open water all the way from Russia – which is coming in the next year or two

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