Twitter’s business model is based on open communication and exchange. By banning me they are destroying trust and the basis of their business.
They have allowed endless vile attacks on me from Internet stalkers, criminals engaged in identity theft, etc. – and then ban me based on fake claims which they refuse to document or back up in any way, shape or form. I have asked them repeatedly to document which rule I violated and how I violated it, and they simply ignore my question.
Is there a hashtag started to demonstrate outrage at your suspension?
Hope and Change! 😆
#climatenazis
What about violation of your first amendment right to free speech?
That’s not how it works though is it….
first ammendment rights are for the government….everyone else can ignore you and even prevent you from saying something if you’re using their service. Their valid defence is ‘if you want to say it start your own Twitter’
What bullshit from barron.. Private companies are subject to endless rules based on Constitutional rights and their derivatives.
Then in that case it ought to be extremely simple for you to sort the problem out …with a single call to the police ?
Not even you can be this naïve. Ever heard about Peter Gleick of the Pacific Institute?
My point is don’t waste your time asking ‘them’ to do something….they’re a bunch of 9 to 5ers with lives, families, some will agree that AGW is real, some won’t, but nevertheless , they are uncoordinated and consider themselves as delivering a life enhancing service….your approach is as an angry customer won’t help
You can use their terms of service against them I suspect
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We do not endorse, support, represent or guarantee the completeness, truthfulness, accuracy, or reliability of any Content or communications posted via the Services or endorse any opinions expressed via the Services. You understand that by using the Services, you may be exposed to Content that might be offensive, harmful, inaccurate or otherwise inappropriate, or in some cases, postings that have been mislabeled or are otherwise deceptive. Under no circumstances will Twitter be liable in any way for any Content, including, but not limited to, any errors or omissions in any Content, or any loss or damage of any kind incurred as a result of the use of any Content posted, emailed, transmitted or otherwise made available via the Services or broadcast elsewhere.”
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This one way to go
“We do not endorse, support, represent or guarantee the completeness, truthfulness, accuracy, or reliability of any Content or communications posted via the Services or endorse any opinions expressed via the Services. ”
Therefore, how can they claim to ban you for not telling a truth, or ban anybody even if they even set out to mislead everybody – Twitter TOS states they are not in the business of policing the truth
I just file a couple of complaints of my own. You do not need an account to do so.
You use your side’s corruption as an excuse to justify your sde’s corruption?
I don’t stand for Twitter, AGW or you.
You’re on your own too.
““… a single call to the police ?”
Not even you can be this naïve. Ever heard about Peter Gleick of the Pacific Institute?”
Lol, of course not…..but who is being naive to think that a complaint means anything significant ? When you are using a service with rules which you have agreed to live by, even the ones that work against you, you have very few extraneous rights, especially because you don’t pay them anything.
All evidence is that Hillary Clinton has broken several rather serious laws concerning the use of personal email for public business. Luckily, a single call to the police will take care of THAT issue!
She has a long history of criminality, longer than most realize…
Jerry Zeifman, a lifelong Democrat, supervised the work of 27-year-old Hillary Rodham on the committee. Hillary got a job working on the investigation at the behest of her former law professor, Burke Marshall, who was also Sen. Ted Kennedy’s chief counsel in the Chappaquiddick affair. When the investigation was over, Zeifman fired Hillary from the committee staff and refused to give her a letter of recommendation – one of only three people who earned that dubious distinction in Zeifman’s 17-year career.
Why?
“Because she was a liar,” Zeifman said in an interview last week. “She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality.”
http://www.westernjournalism.com/hillary-clinton-fired-for-lies-unethical-behavior/#F1Yx8WCIHYfVDGft.99
You can’t be serious. ISIS and Al Qaeda have active twitter accounts and Tony’s got suspended?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
ISIS = Is real i Secret Intelligence Service, Well maybe not, but mostly they are the same guys used to overthrow Gaddafi in Libya. As long as they continue to give Assad problems plausibly deniable support is provided by ?? Yes, I’ve heard about the NATO lookalike supply planes.
AllCIAduh was originally a Wahhabi mujahedin group in Afghanistan, supported by CIA/SOCOM and managed by then Major Ollie North. No doubt some (but not all) spinoffs have gone rogue.
So CorpGov Worldwide Inc. is still happy with at least parts of both outfits, but Tony pisses them off.
It’s only the usual Twatface nonsense. They have T’s & C’s and you need to do as you’re told…everybody who signs up to Twatter or Shitface agrees to it by default..
It’s like joining a club and getting kicked out.
I’ve read most of their T’s & C’s…doesn’t say they will respect anybody’s right to free speech regardless of what they say.
Your right to free speech exists here because it’s your blog….well, for as long as you don’t breach the T’s & C’s of this service provider…watch out that they aren’t pressured into changing them just to get at you !
You really should dry out for a couple of hours & then try posting again.
You ought to stop dreaming of life in heaven.
Th real world is that people can shut you up if they want to…in return you get to use namecalling and bragging…but there isn’t much in terms of law to shout about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kht5wxrLCnI
Reading comprehension is your friend. Or not, in the case of Chris Barron, mensa lawyer!
From https://twitter.com/tos?lang=en
“We reserve the right at all times (but will not have an obligation) to remove or refuse to distribute any Content on the Services, to suspend or terminate users, and to reclaim usernames without liability to you.”
You grant them their right by signing their agreement
I suspect someone is using the abuse clause against you…see
https://support.twitter.com/articles/18311-the-twitter-rules
Suppression of opposing views – just another day in the cultural paradise of fascist / socialist / whack-job libtard pseudo-environmentalists. As ever it’s the total refusal to engage, defend their position, or offer up actual evidence to support their version of events that gives the game away.
Funnily enough this all sounds eerily familiar.
Technically, Barron is accurate. However ethically or morally that might be reprehensible. Methinks a bunch of libtards organized a coordinated attack on Goddard using some aspect of the T&C to claim the high ground. It isn’t “fair”, but it is a tactic used often by Liberals with a hatefest going on. Seen it before. Sad but true. Wish it were otherwise, but it isn’t.
“it is a tactic used often by Liberals ”
The use of such a tactic is not limited to liberals.
It is bred into us that we should go to the authority whenever we suspect there is an injustice…starting at home “Tell mom if someone is mean to you”…..continuing at school “Tell teacher if someone upsets you “……and so on into the workplace.
The issue becomes how do we decide that we are more right than the person we are complaining about ? Because immediately afterwards they defend themselves by providing an alternative view……there’s not much room for truth there !
No, it’s a tactic used almost exclusively by liberals.
Only the left tries so hard to silence their critics. There can be no alternate view … of anything.
Liberal Progressives with a statist bend, have in general been far more intolerant of open communication of dissenting views. CAGW is a typical example.
Chris Barron says:
It is bred into us that we should go to the authority whenever we suspect there is an injustice…
It is known as the Rule of Law.
Without it I would be free to buy a mac h in e g un and take action against those who steal from me or cheat me or defraud me.
Well yes but unfortunately what the people think should be right is not necessarily the same as what the government thinks they think should of as right, hence a permanent disparity between injustice and law
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kht5wxrLCnI
Liberals are like jackals and hyenas they hunt in packs because they are too cowardly to stand up like men.
https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/micats-vigil-web.jpg
The leaders do not lead they just send idiots like Hopeless to do their dirty work and if the Useful Idiots get caught? Well it won’t be Bill McKibben who goes to jail will it?
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/02/13/wackadoodle-350-org-protesters-disappear-their-kkk-moment/
“We will shut you down”
That sounds very much like the Hopeless and ineffectual threat that the clan member that frequents here, (because its all she has in her life), keeps saying to SG.
Talking of clan…if the protestors in the picture were black, wouldn’t the police have shot them by now. 😉
Burnishing your idiot credentials is unnecessary Chris.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6k10ZFc6lE
I didn’t mean shot, Walt…I meant strangled 😉
Who is Walt?
Walt is ?
I’m sorry, I should have known you were drunk again.
Sleep it off.
On a work night ? Never, I’ld lose security clearances if I was over the limit at work….in fact in Scotland the drink driving limit is virtually zero anyway so few people drink on a work night.
Seriously though, lighten up it’s only Twitter, and they don’t make government policy
You have one of these?
http://www.ecofriend.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/windpowered-car_KXfzm_5965.jpg
Is that one of them thar jalopies which those cleva Dutch folks made, which powers itself into a headwind, using the power of the wind to do that ? I don’t have one , but i do have an electric motorbike
The Californians do it well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7PNSyAfCjk
Even smarter Americans…using the wind to travel faster than the windspeed…downwind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPvGTjmn9y0
Yeah, you would consider that waste of resources clever.
Sleep it off.
The British version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRFRQXPtXTs
How well does that work in rush hour traffic, or in the snow? Traffic lights? Hauling tonnage?
Toys are fun!
Too funny
According to the conservation of energy, nothing is lost
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH-mhZLuGRk
Another great idea!
You’re just lacking a bit of vision…are you retired by any chance ?
What we’re going to do with these wind vehicles is mount them at the ends of huge arms and locate them next to your house
I was behind a new Tesla yesterday, he pulled over and asked me where he could recharge, as he could not get home. I suggested he call a cab.
Nobody will argue with you about hydrogen airships ! Plenty of people said they should never be built but the private sector assured the public it would be fine
And yet again, you do not get the irony. 😆
Do it Chris! Live on wind alone.
Of course you could be a man and break out that checkbook and pay me 1.77 million pounds to join your team.
No balls, but I guess that is why we don’t have a queen, and you do.
A diesel cab ?
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02180/north-shields-dies_2180730k.jpg
Certainly not a Chris fart powered cab.
Who hasn’t been there
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02180/vauxhall-out-of-us_2180705k.jpg
Sold out ? But. but, but
https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.607997155766895019&pid=15.1&P=0
The only time I had to wait in line for fuel, was on 9/11/01. And I was still able to fill the tank.
Thankfully the really stupid stayed on your side of the pond, 😆
New York City 30 months ago
http://www.vosizneias.com/116442/2012/11/04/new-york-in-photos-long-gas-lines-after-destructive-sandy/
Don’t complain about the wind …… Sandy…..
So your proof that wind power is good, is a wind storm. Why weren’t the Sandy victims saved by windmills? Brilliant! 😆
BTW – The rest of the country had plenty of fuel, your cherry picked instance just proves you are an idiot
Rock, paper, scissors wind, petrol
http://www.vosizneias.com/116442/2012/11/04/new-york-in-photos-long-gas-lines-after-destructive-sandy/
Don’t get behind the wheel tonight Chris. You are drunk.
You obviously don’t care about Californians
http://www.usatoday.com/story/driveon/2012/10/04/los-angeles-california-gas-shortages-5-gas/1613369/
Tomorrow is another day
$5 a gallon within a decade….but why, if oil is so plentiful ?
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2015/01/19/gas-oil-five-dollar-gallon/21865975/
There is a reason I do not live in Californication, they bring on their own problems just like you fools.
As I stated, there has only been one time in my life when I had to wait in line for gasoline, and that was because of 9/11. I had to wait 20 minutes, and then was on my way.
1.77 million pounds loser, pay up! 😆
Our petrol shortages have only been as a result of tanker driver strikes.
Just like when the power cuts used to be frequent when the coal miners walked out
All in the past now
So you had no point to make, just drunk again! 😆
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kht5wxrLCnI
“1.77 million pounds loser, pay up! :lol:”
Ah yes, got your fallback position….
(Can’t you figure out how to get £ sign on the inferior US keyboard ?)
£1.77 million is nothing at all for us, and we can afford it quite easily. Look at how much we spend on the NHS and it makes a loss year after year……must be paying about £50million per person
If we didn’t have to subsidise nuclear things would defintiely be easier though
Yet again the bottle speaks! 😆
1.77 million pounds is the cost of each green job in your f*cked country. I offered to do it at half the price, and you still did not get the implication.
Drunken windmill chasing fool. 😆
“1.77 million pounds is the cost of each green job in your f*cked country.”
Which bit of my response ‘It is nothing’ do you not understand ?
Even if there were the ridiculously high estimate of 100,000 jobs in the nuclear decommissioning industry in the uK, at a cost of £160 billion pounds that works out at a roughly similar £1.6 million per job to NOT generate any electricity.
Spread across 30 million working taxpayers that works out at 11 pence per person per year.
Loose change 😉
No unleaded…oh shite
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02180/london-only-diesel_2180707k.jpg
We don’t have those problems here! Looks like you f*cked yourselves with your idiotic legislation! 😆
Our petrol shortages have only been as a result of tanker driver strikes.
Just like when the power cuts used to be frequent when the coal miners walked out
All in the past now
Chris will now serenade us…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kht5wxrLCnI
You’ve got all excited since you learnt to publish videos you make at home
Not my video. Another drunken Chris lie.
Lunatic. Liar. Fool. 😆
What in the world are you driving, Chris? I understand your cars fail at 1/2 their claimed working life.
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2015/03/21/learning-to-think-like-a-genocidal-progressive/#comment-507169
“Our petrol shortages have only been as a result of tanker driver strikes.
Just like when the power cuts used to be frequent when the coal miners walked out”
Ahhh far left wing unions were the problem , then !
Why didn’t you just say that !
While strictly speaking freedom of speech as guaranteed by the Constitution only applies that no law will be passed which abridges that right. Our tradition, unspoken, is that open discourse in public or private is the foundation of liberty. In polite company it is usually frowned upon to silence a civil debate. We recognize in these discussions in an aha he is one of us even if we disagree.
Twitter and Facebook do not encourage discourse in any useful way. They tend to be used to inflame the base and irritate opponents. They are superficial using imagery rather than language. The puffery of Twitter to claim that they are policing polite discourse to weed out disruptive elements when their creation is not to encourage discourse but to provide a ring where drive-bys cause no lasting injury is equivalent to a mobster pointing out that he has a quiet family life.
Trending, only Twits will Twitter. The good news is, they now self identify. Like hopeless Hope.
Ignoring Winston Churchill’s dictum that it is far better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.
Come on Chris! Put up or shut up. 1.77 million pounds per green job! Sign me up! 😆
I told you Chris was a plant. No convictions, just BS.
Chris posted his Florida legislature giggle-fest regarding a false claim about Gov Scott, after lying about being a skeptic, in order (new world order that is) to sell wind to turnips.
Target acquired. 😆
Lol….I don’t know one senator, politician, ass licker or whatever….from another…
My grandmother was a councillor and womens rights campaigner back in the 1920’s….and as my grandfather used to tell me, ‘They all piss in the same pot’
To date he has been wrong on zero occasions….so bring it on…I don’t care who anybody supports really…you’re all dimwits for ever believing that voting for somebody to represent you is a good system, but don’t let me stop you from letting yourself believe in it.
Electing representatives and being unhappy that they don’t help you is like handing the poacher the keys to the gamekeeper’s job and complaining when they kick you off the land
To date he has been wrong on zero occasions….
The ravings of a drunken lunatic. 😆
Yes Chris, your grandfather was infallible, like the Pope!
God you are a liar, and then some! 😆
Do tell how gramps was never wrong.
Drunken fool.
It’s the “Lol” that really sells it. Only mensans & scientists use Lol as punctuation.
“They all piss in the same pot”
Nice try at recovery from your drunken Freudian slip, sheep in alarmist clothing.
But I don’t know who is on which side in the USA. No lie !
Adversarial politics is designed to bring the public along with what the leaders want, under the misconception that it is the public who are making all the decisions…adversarial politics is the clearing house of decisions which have mostly already been made.
https://i0.wp.com/i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02180/vauxhall-out-of-us_2180705k.jpg
Ask an old truck driver in the USA about that. The refineries in the USA were over flowing with gas and diesel during the 1970s ‘oil shortage’ but the oil companies were not selling because of Nixon’s price and wage controls.
Ranchers and dairymen not only stopped shipping cattle but dug pits and slit the throats of calves and buried them since it was not worth it to raise them to market weight. (My ex was a dairy farmer at the time and I was going to school at an Ag college.)
And now the UK has UKIP. Sometimes people wake up and realize how stupid and self-serving their ‘representatives’ actually are.
UKIP ? I’ll come back to that in a second
There was a foot and mouth disease outbreak here not long ago…we had to burn the bodies of all the cattle. Not because there was any danger – after a successful cheap and simple treatment most animals could go on to be normal and healthy again – but because the milk yield of the cattle was negatively affected forever after they had suffered f&m. As I’m sure you know.
But what is farming, if not animal management similar to manufacturing anyway ?.
I don’t like those ideas but, i don’t seem to have as much of problem dealing with them as you do….if you don’t like the idea of having to kill animals because due to a change in circumstances they no longer remain financially viable stay away from farming. Nobody enjoys it, least of all the farmers when culling HAS GOT TO take place.
Back to UKIP…..They nearly won me over, it is performances like this which made me think at a particular time that somebody had to say something…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zLNlC9VOps
And when Blair was on his way out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT–RnOYORI
So UKIP, led by Farage, seems like a voice trying to represent the frustration of Brits. But, if you watch the second of those videos to the end you will see Tony Blair’s response….’we are not fighting any more’…and he is right in that he does represent a lot of Brits, the large majority of Brits, who don’t want war in Europe.
One of the reasons why Farage supports the frustrated is that he stirs people up to generate their frustrations….and yet he is having such terrible problems assembling a group of party members who can keep their big mouths shut when it comes to racism and fraud…there is not a week goes by when someone in his party is having to be expelled for breaking the law somehow. Of course they apologise for that, but who wants apologists to be in power ?
I don’t support the political system because i find it is as old as the druids, and you really do have to think like one in order to believe that the current political system is going to serve people to achieve the best life available for themselves
UKIP are a xenophobic reactionary party. No let me correct that…their agenda is to appeal to xenophobic reactionaries – whether or not they will get anything done is doubtful
I’ll let glorious Farage have the last say “would you buy a used car from this commission ?”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWSYMpuCFaQ
Or maybe Goerring is a better choice, because he really defined the mechanisms of influential politics in succinct terms
“”Of course the people don’t want war. But after all, it’s the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it’s always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it’s a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger.”
— Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials”
So, Chris Barron calls the UKIP party Racist or appealing to racists.
A Guardian Reader Mr Barron?
Have you actually read their Manifesto?
The press and the BBC have been slating UKIP & Farage ever since they started to become a threat to the main parties and it has backfired big time.
As they say All publicity, even bad publicity is good for bringing something to the nation’s attention.
If there had been no adverse publicity hardly anyone would know about them.
Ummm…if you do CTRL-F to invoke the find function, type in ‘racist’ it does not appear in my post.
So you were the first to link UKIP with the word racist
They appeal to xenophobic reactionaries, they in fact target xenophobic reactionaries. I’m not saying that is good or bad.
They’re all just entertainers, vote catching scmucks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_F27ejh3x4
You see, xenophobic means “unreasonably fearful of or hating anyone or anything foreign or strange.”.
That is true of UKIP, they dislike people from Bulgaria or Poland as much as they dislike people seeking asylum from Africa or the Middle East.
They don’t just dislike a particular race…they dislike ‘foreigners’
Replace ‘UKIPPERS’ with ‘Tea Partiers’ and you probably have a similar demographic of supporters.
(Gaff = mistake, Ting Tong = derogatory slang for Chinese people)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fSbpNh9fDY&t=236
Once again Chris speaks of things he does not know. Tea Party members happen have higher educations and are more scientifically literate than their peers.
Oh to be a Scottish Communist! 😆
Yes Gator I love the “UKIP are a xenophobic reactionary party.”
Might the REACTION have something to do with thousands of girls RAPED and BRUTALIZED by MUSLIMS with the blessings of the UK government?…. NAH…
Rotherham: 1400 Children Groomed, Drugged and Raped by Multiculturalism
Muslim Rape Gangs: the Disturbing Role of Britain’s Leading Child Welfare Charity
Multiculturalism: What the Left Would Prefer You Didn’t Know…95 per cent of Britons think multiculturalism has been a failure.
So, in other words, the UK is moving toward Islamic law…
Under Islamic law, rape can only be proven if the rapist confesses or if there are four male witnesses. Women who allege rape without the benefit of the act having been witnessed by four men who subsequently develop a conscience are actually confessing to having sex. If they or the accused happens to be married, then it is considered to be adultery.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/002-rape_adultery.htm
“Islamic Law”……
Nobody fears it. It doesn’t actually exist
Are you meaning Sharia Law ? Nobody believes it will happen either
Only you who fear it see it everywhere.
And Gail…the extent of abuse is terrible…..it pales into insignificance when compared to the widespread assaults , the details of which surface sporadically, of many of our politicians who have taken part in sex orgies involving children.
Is it just British politicians ? Oh no, we all know it isn’t…. Those upstanding conservative middle class lot think they can do what they like..and they get caught with left wingers at the same event.
Chris the village idiot spews:
“Islamic Law”…Nobody fears it. It doesn’t actually exist
Why do you feel it necessary to keep provimg that you are an idiot? We know already! 😆
To Arabic-speaking people, sharia (/????ri???/;[1] also shari’a, shar??ah; Arabic: ?????? šar??ah, IPA: [?a?ri??a], “legislation”) means the moral code and religious law of a prophetic religion.[2][3][4] The term “sharia” has been largely identified with Islam in English usage.[5]
Sharia (Islamic law) deals with several topics including: crime, politics, and economics, as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, hygiene, diet, prayer, everyday etiquette and fasting..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia
Find somebody else who does not yet know you are a foll, and enlighten them for a change. 😆
You’re miles off…you try a fear tactic and then when I show no fear yoiu correct me on a term of slang.
Is it ‘hippy’, or is it ‘hippie’ ? I never know what to call them either…and neither do i fear them.
So, bottom line….we go from Twitter….. to you trying to make me think that I am about to be a subject of Sharia law when i don’t have a religion….just because you don’t know what to say about Twitter ?
Do I need to repeat that you were wrong, again? Yep!
Chris the village idiot spews:
“Islamic Law”…Nobody fears it. It doesn’t actually exist
Why do you feel it necessary to keep provimg that you are an idiot? We know already! 😆
To Arabic-speaking people, sharia (/????ri???/;[1] also shari’a, shar??ah; Arabic: ?????? šar??ah, IPA: [?a?ri??a], “legislation”) means the moral code and religious law of a prophetic religion.[2][3][4] The term “sharia” has been largely identified with Islam in English usage.[5]
Sharia (Islamic law) deals with several topics including: crime, politics, and economics, as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, hygiene, diet, prayer, everyday etiquette and fasting..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia
Find somebody else who does not yet know you are a foll, and enlighten them for a change. 😆
“Oh to be a Scottish Communist! ”
Your xenophobic brain assumes that because I live in Scotland then I am Scottish.
I’ve also lived in Wales so am I Welsh too ?
I note you have no issue with being a communist. 😆
That would be the least interesting thing to me anyway.
Chris Barron says:
March 24, 2015 at 11:29 am
But I don’t know who is on which side in the USA. No lie !
I believe Chris just told the truth! Hooray! He still hasn’t beat the stopped clock for accuracy, but it is a start.
Chris, the Tea Party supports our Constitution and Bill of Rights, read them and you will gain a very large education that will dispel the fairy tales told about Tea Party members that you so enjoy.
Tea Party supporters are wealthier and more well-educated than the general public, and are no more or less afraid of falling into a lower socioeconomic class, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.
Yale Law professor Dan M. Kahan was conducting an analysis of the scientific comprehension of various political groups when he ran into a shocking discovery: tea party supporters are slightly more scientifically literate than the non-tea party population.
Dumb people want nannies, smart people know they don’t need their hands held.
We all know who the tea party are, and I wish them well, because they are opposing TTIP, and if TTIP gets passed then it gives US companies the right to operate our health service under terms of a private healthcare agreement….which of course no Brit who has paid for ‘free healthcare at source’ wants
Chris I am well aware of the stupidity** of the UK government in response to F& M that was CAUSED by following the EU and OIE (UN) directives.
**Killing off all the small slaughter houses via new EU/WTO regs and moving disease control from local vets to the EU bureaucrats.
The clincher was OIE would not allow export of F & M meat until the country returned to ‘Disease Free Status’ It is a lot faster to return to ‘Disease Free Status’ using Stamping out or DEPOPULATION*** than it is to use a vaccine. That is the long and the short of it. Unless of course you also include the moving of animals from farm to farm so more subsidies could be ‘earned’ from the EU as part of the disease spread from the Pirbright Lab leak.
*** “Should USDA officially confirm the presence of a disease, such as Foot and Mouth Disease, the affected herd and all cattle, sheep, goats, swine, and susceptible wildlife—infected or not— within a minimum 10-kilometer zone around the infected farm would be killed.”
Table 1 Minimum requirements for a country/region to be declared
………………….free from disease (OIE Animal Health Code)
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………….— No Vaccination — …………………………………. —– Vaccination —–
DISEASE..1st Recognition..After Outbreak -..1st Recognition..After Outbreak
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Foot and …….12 months…………3 months…………..24 months 12 months
mouth………………………………….(stamping ……………………………………(stamping
disease…………………………………….out)(a)……………………………………………. out)
(FMD)…………………………………………………………………………………….24 months
………………………………………………………………………………………………..(no stam-
…………………………………………………………………………………………………ping out)
(a) plus surveillance and serology
Source: http://www.fao.org/AG/AGAINFO/resources/documents/Vets-l-2/5engArt.txt
Report on Foot and Mouth outbreak and the UK governments royal F…up.
http://www.warmwell.com/footmoutheye.html
“Report on Foot and Mouth outbreak and the UK governments royal F…up.”
Roughly translated as meaning “What costs the country less in subsidy payments and compensation”
CB says, “Islamic Law”……
Nobody fears it. It doesn’t actually exist
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Of course this is a reference to Sharia, it does exist and is brutal and incompatible with a civil society. (Please, at least make serious comments.)
Any brutality is related to the interpretation of Sharia Law. The most brutal interpretations have equivalents of stoning to death by christianity, as spelled out in the bible
People attack muslims for producing Halal meat, Only to be surprised to hear that jewish butchers have also been doing it for years too
People think muslims are annoying, jews also nag you to death…
You already told us what you think of the Jews, nothing new here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5taY5xg4n8o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDSt__Yv-00
The equivalent to Sharia law in the UK among jews is Beth Din
British Jews, particularly the orthodox, will frequently turn to their own religious courts, the Beth Din, to resolve civil disputes, covering issues as diverse as business and divorce.
Chris claims some sort of equivalence between Sharia law and the “Beth Din”. Please tell me when was the last time based on Beth Din that Jews had anyone killed for things like apostasy, or being raped, casting aspersions, or refusing to convert to a certain religion, or anything else for that matter? Despite his assertions, I hardly think it appropriate to compare these two. Next he will claim that the Allah for Muslims is the same as the God of Abraham Isaac, and Jacob. I don’t think so.
By the time of Christ, the Jews had pretty well done away with capitol punishment. In fact, any court that handed down a death sentence more than once every seven years, was considered to be out of control.
Then there is Islam…
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/uploads/0/08/Islamic_stoning_to_death_in_Somalia.jpg
Neal thinks the muslims in the UK murder their own for casting aspersions
As I explained and shouldn’t need to repeat…a lot depends on the local interpretation, and how much you fear being a victim (which will change from area to area)
The village idiot said: Islamic Law”…Nobody fears it
Craig fears the growth of Sharia law…
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2012/November/Islamic-Sharia-Law-Comes-to-Great-Britain/
Talk about you hoof in mouth disease! 😆
http://hdclarity.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/foot_in_mouth_funny_sayings_postcard-p239227608041056672trdg_400.jpg
Well spotted.
Nobody in their right mind fears it. It is just a religion
Religion is for people who lack faith in humanity. They would turn their back on people in favour of their own doubts
Yeah, these folks had no reason to fear Islamic Law…
http://www.secularism.org.uk/images/146936/large.jpg
http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1363620/stoning.png
http://d3819ii77zvwic.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/blogspot.jpg
https://barenakedislam.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/images10.jpeg
CB bloviates..
“Religion is for people who lack faith in humanity. They would turn their back on people in favour of their own doubts”
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Human nature is dualistic, good and bad. This manifests in ALL groups. The benefits of religion have been immense. The harms also. The benefits of Godless statists like Marx and Lennin, are non-existent.
What time warp is this ?
you believe that you personally cannot behave as a decent person without a god.
I’m hiding my goat before you try to sacrifice it.
Pictures of babies stripped of flesh in Iraq, and Gaza, or not hard to find.
Sadly I know you think that you can justify that
The village idiot just keeps burnishing his credentials! 😆
stoning to death by christianity, as spelled out in the bible
That is what intelligent people call ‘The Old Testament’, and existed before Christ, you moron.
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”
-John 8:7
Come on Chris! Show us your vast knowledge! 😆
CB is a mouthpiece for Obama, who had the same audacity to talk about the Crusades, in reference to excusing current Islamist brutality, which CB claims does not exist. Astounding ignorance, expressed with arrogance and cold hearted disdain for the inflicted dark age brutality.
…for the inflicted dark age brutality currently practiced by Islamists.
US weapons, foreign victims….your god is better than theirs etc etc
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ld6eM0okdFw/UgaMaSDVRJI/AAAAAAAAHt4/1YebmDMHSeA/s640/q.jpg
Source please. I can pull up pictures of Bigfoot, but that does not make him real.
A source ?
Just search for ‘depleted uranium and irag birth defects.
https://uk.search.yahoo.com/search?fr=chr-greentree_gc&ei=utf-8&ilc=12&type=201117&p=depleted+uranium+iraq+birth+defects
That’s christian cultural development at play…..
Studies in 2005 and earlier have concluded that DU ammunition has no measurable detrimental health effects.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium#Studies_indicating_negligible_effects
Still stupid, and still lying. Good little atheist! 😆
Enjoy the show
https://uk.images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A9mSs2HU6xFVvG4ADStLBQx.;_ylu=X3oDMTB1NjNwamdrBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2lyMgR2dGlkA1NXSVVLQzFfMQ–?_adv_prop=image&fr=chr-greentree_gc&va=depleted+uranium+iraq+birth+defects
The head of the US depleted uranium program, Major Doug Rokke, explains all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vquz4zQ5-C0
Studies in 2005 and earlier have concluded that DU ammunition has no measurable detrimental health effects.
A 1999 literature review conducted by the Rand Corporation stated: “No evidence is documented in the literature of cancer or any other negative health effect related to the radiation received from exposure to depleted or natural uranium, whether inhaled or ingested, even at very high doses,”[139] and a RAND report authored by the U.S. Defense department undersecretary charged with evaluating DU hazards considered the debate to be more political than scientific.[140]
A 2001 oncology study concluded that “the present scientific consensus is that DU exposure to humans, in locations where DU ammunition was deployed, is very unlikely to give rise to cancer induction”.[141] Former NATO Secretary General Lord Robertson stated in 2001 that “the existing medical consensus is clear. The hazard from depleted uranium is both very limited, and limited to very specific circumstances”.[142]
A 2002 study from the Australian defense ministry concluded that “there has been no established increase in mortality or morbidity in workers exposed to uranium in uranium processing industries… studies of Gulf War veterans show that, in those who have retained fragments of depleted uranium following combat related injury, it has been possible to detect elevated urinary uranium levels, but no kidney toxicity or other adverse health effects related to depleted uranium after a decade of follow-up.”[143] Pier Roberto Danesi, then-director of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Seibersdorf +Laboratory, stated in 2002 that “There is a consensus now that DU does not represent a health threat”.[144]
The IAEA reported in 2003 that, “based on credible scientific evidence, there is no proven link between DU exposure and increases in human cancers or other significant health or environmental impacts,” although “Like other heavy metals, DU is potentially poisonous. In sufficient amounts, if DU is ingested or inhaled it can be harmful because of its chemical toxicity. High concentration could cause kidney damage.” The IAEA concluded that while depleted uranium is a potential carcinogen, there is no evidence that it has been carcinogenic in humans.[145]
A 2005 study by Sandia National Laboratories’ Al Marshall used mathematical models to analyze potential health effects associated with accidental exposure to depleted uranium during the 1991 Gulf War. Marshall’s study concluded that the reports of cancer risks from DU exposure are not supported by his analysis nor by veteran medical statistics. Marshall also examined possible genetic effects due to radiation from depleted uranium.[146] Chemical effects, including potential reproductive issues, associated with depleted uranium exposure were discussed in some detail in a subsequent journal paper.[147]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium#Studies_indicating_negligible_effects
Still stupid, still pushing terrorist propaganda, and still lying.
Do you think a single Wikipedia link can stand up against the former head of the DU project and confidential memos….
Gatorscience
Atheists have no issue with lying, as in their tiny minds here are no consequences.
The only thing Chris understands about ‘depleted’ is his liquor cabinet and ethical behavior.
But please Chris, do tell us about Christians in the Old Testament. 😆
I’m surprised he had enough sense to stop digging! 😆
But then maybe he ran out of booze, and jumped on his electric bike to make a hooch run.
Hard to tell with him. Maybe he just took a break and is listening to the BBC (since he’s already paying for it).
He may have stumbled upon a relevant program, the “Useful Idiots”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVUMjDi4t8c
Some cultures advance.. Christianity has, for the most part.
Others, like Sharia, are more the Barren “progressive” type.
Religions are cultures ? Most people consider religion to be a mere aspect or facet of a culture. Not least of all christians
There you go again, avoiding the issue. Face facts Chris, you have no clue what you are speaking of. Need I remind you of your ignorance of religion again?
People who honestly seek forgiveness, do not keep returning to the well of lies.
No need to remind me of anything of the sort
I ignore religion.. Shouldn’t I ?
You ignore facts, so why not?
Do I need to repeat that you were wrong, again? Yep!
Chris the village idiot spews:
“Islamic Law”…Nobody fears it. It doesn’t actually exist
Why do you feel it necessary to keep provimg that you are an idiot? We know already! 😆
To Arabic-speaking people, sharia (/????ri???/;[1] also shari’a, shar??ah; Arabic: ?????? šar??ah, IPA: [?a?ri??a], “legislation”) means the moral code and religious law of a prophetic religion.[2][3][4] The term “sharia” has been largely identified with Islam in English usage.[5]
Sharia (Islamic law) deals with several topics including: crime, politics, and economics, as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, hygiene, diet, prayer, everyday etiquette and fasting..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia
Find somebody else who does not yet know you are a foll, and enlighten them for a change. 😆
You’re a christian. just forgive me
I already have. Now show me you are worthy, stop lying, and stop making stupid comments.
Worthy of what ? Gods love ? I think your god has enough on his plate with you
So your asking for my forgiveness was just another cheap ploy, and a lie. Got it.
You will never forgive me …you have demonstrated hatred towards me so your god should help you. Your only belief is in conflict
I hold many beliefs, and one is that embarrassing drunken idiots is fun!
The village idiot just keeps burnishing his credentials! 😆
stoning to death by christianity, as spelled out in the bible
That is what intelligent people call ‘The Old Testament’, and existed before Christ, you moron.
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”
-John 8:7
Come on Chris! Show us your vast knowledge! 😆
Now Dumb Dumb is a mind reader, as well as a Bible scholar! 😆
Sleep it off Chris.
When the time comes it all just goes dark. no heaven, no hell…and no memories that you ever existed…..probably you have a few regrets that you chose to amuse yourself instead of doing something useful
I can live with that reality. Can you ?
Can you live with your own stupidity, that darkness is here and now! 😆
The village idiot just keeps burnishing his credentials!
stoning to death by christianity, as spelled out in the bible
That is what intelligent people call ‘The Old Testament’, and existed before Christ, you moron.
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”
-John 8:7
Come on Chris! Show us your vast knowledge! 😆
Great post, gator. If we think about it (which no one could ever do without first cracking open their Bible), the Savior peaceably and quietly wrote down each of the accuser’s sins in the sand. That’s why He did it to them one by one (so as not to embarrass them publicly), but they all left, embarrassed, one-by-one, when the self-righteous bastards realized what they were up against–Someone who knew a whole lot more than they did.
I don’t think Christine and her ilk have ever had the thought to open up the greatest Book ever written, which has endured for millennia (more extant copies than Ovid or the Epic of Gilgamesh), nor will they have. There’s a deep-seated fear of its Author that they don’t EVER want to deal with.
Thanks, but I am only inspired.
Then Chris is an easy target, especially when drunk.
You’re the one hooked on the booze, I don’t drink during the week….and i don’t need to pray either
Humiliation isn’t working…what’ll you do next ? Pray ?
My bad. I just assumed you intellectual handicap was self induced.
Chris the village idiot spews:
“Islamic Law”…Nobody fears it. It doesn’t actually exist
Why do you feel it necessary to keep proving that you are an idiot? We know already! 😆
To Arabic-speaking people, sharia (/????ri???/;[1] also shari’a, shar??ah; Arabic: ?????? šar??ah, IPA: [?a?ri??a], “legislation”) means the moral code and religious law of a prophetic religion.[2][3][4] The term “sharia” has been largely identified with Islam in English usage.[5]
Sharia (Islamic law) deals with several topics including: crime, politics, and economics, as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, hygiene, diet, prayer, everyday etiquette and fasting..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia
Find somebody else who does not yet know you are a fool, and enlighten them for a change. 😆
Keep writing.
Ah, you changed your mispelled ‘foll’
Thanks for going to that trouble over me
Anything for my favorite village idiot.
The village idiot just keeps burnishing his credentials! 😆
stoning to death by christianity, as spelled out in the bible
That is what intelligent people call ‘The Old Testament’, and existed before Christ, you moron.
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”
-John 8:7
Come on Chris! Show us your vast knowledge! 😆
Show us why you have accused the US of using the illegal weapon mustard gas in Iraq
So stupid. How do you breathe on your own?
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, June 29, 2006 – The 500 munitions discovered throughout Iraq since 2003 and discussed in a National Ground Intelligence Center report meet the criteria of weapons of mass destruction, the center’s commander said here today.
“These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes … they do constitute weapons of mass destruction,” Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee.
The Chemical Weapons Convention is an arms control agreement which outlaws the production, stockpiling and use of chemical weapons. It was signed in 1993 and entered into force in 1997.
The munitions found contain sarin and mustard gases, Army Lt. Gen. Michael D. Maples, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, said. Sarin attacks the neurological system and is potentially lethal.
“Mustard is a blister agent (that) actually produces burning of any area (where) an individual may come in contact with the agent,” he said. It also is potentially fatal if it gets into a person’s lungs.
The munitions addressed in the report were produced in the 1980s, Maples said. Badly corroded, they could not currently be used as originally intended, Chu added.
While that’s reassuring, the agent remaining in the weapons would be very valuable to terrorists and insurgents, Maples said. “We’re talking chemical agents here that could be packaged in a different format and have a great effect,” he said, referencing the sarin-gas attack on a Japanese subway in the mid-1990s.
This is true even considering any degradation of the chemical agents that may have occurred, Chu said. It’s not known exactly how sarin breaks down, but no matter how degraded the agent is, it’s still toxic.
“Regardless of (how much material in the weapon is actually chemical agent), any remaining agent is toxic,” he said. “Anything above zero (percent agent) would prove to be toxic, and if you were exposed to it long enough, lethal.”
Though about 500 chemical weapons – the exact number has not been released publicly – have been found, Maples said he doesn’t believe Iraq is a “WMD-free zone.”
“I do believe the former regime did a very poor job of accountability of munitions, and certainly did not document the destruction of munitions,” he said. “The recovery program goes on, and I do not believe we have found all the weapons.”
The Defense Intelligence Agency director said locating and disposing of chemical weapons in Iraq is one of the most important tasks servicemembers in the country perform.
Maples added searches are ongoing for chemical weapons beyond those being conducted solely for force protection.
There has been a call for a complete declassification of the National Ground Intelligence Center’s report on WMD in Iraq. Maples said he believes the director of national intelligence is still considering this option, and has asked Maples to look into producing an unclassified paper addressing the subject matter in the center’s report.
Much of the classified matter was slated for discussion in a closed forum after the open hearings this morning.
Contact Author
Biographies:
Lt. Gen. Michael D. Maples, USA
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http://www.defense.gov/News/NewsArticle.aspx?ID=15918
Hey Chris, that “humiliation isn’t working” meme might mean it’s a pride thing on your part. Of course, those that are so assured of their government-as-god-approved self-righteousness (and paychecks) never need to pray. I guess the bigger question is this: WHO is your god? And why do godless athiests like yourself always appeal only to the temporal “authorities?” Don’t you have a higher authority that you can appeal to? Are you saying that fallen, sinful human beings like you & me & gator don’t need someone or something to appeal to when the government makes things tough for all of us? Your God (government) makes things tough for people.
You need to read a Bible, my man. It will prove that you are not an athiest. All human beings look to some god greater than themselves for blessing. Your false god is government, or Gaia’s “environment,” or perhaps some goddamn pedophile named Pachauri.
“You mispelled . . . thanks for going through that trouble to notice me.” (Christine Barren from her recent publication, ‘All That’s Good and Noble’).
That’s the stuff liberal faggots live for–a response after being “noticed.” And then they correct your spelling like schoolmarms . Spineless cunts. Thank God Goddard doesn’t ban the idiots. It gives us fodder.
And yes, Christine the Barroness, I just finished my fifth beer of the night, so you might be right about a few of us who post here. Call it an “American” thang. At least we’re honest. How about yuownseff?
LOL gator. I am frequently astounded at such mentalities as CB exhibits. Every logical conduit in my brain protests in a short circuit at such thought process. The neurons simply cannot process such illogic.
Well, at least we now know he is a Bible scholar, just as Obama is a Constitutional Scholar. 😉
Nailed another goddamn idiot.
Here is Gator science, exposing frauds…
There is a great deal of false information on the Internet about depleted uranium. One such retailer of false information is Leuren Moret. Let’s take a close look at an instance where Ms. Moret has had ample opportunity to correct false information, at my request, and has failed to do so.
Ms. Moret recently published (August 9, 2005) an article in the Battle Creek Enquirer on depleted uranium. The article was republished online at the following URL:
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0809-33.htm
In the article Ms. Moret makes the following claim and I quote exactly:
“In some studies of soldiers who had normal babies before the war, 67 percent of the post-war babies are born with severe birth defects – missing brains, eyes, organs, legs and arms, and blood diseases.”
I have asked Ms. Moret by email to supply the source for her claim but she has not responded. The above claim is similar to other claims that she has made for several years. But reflect on this claim for a minute. If it is true, it is the sort of claim that would have been picked up long ago by the major news organizations and it would have caused a national scancal. The figure of 67 percent is far above the background rate of major birth defects of less than 5 percent. Did Ms. Moret make this claim up out of thin air? I think not. The background of this claim is that in the mid 90s, there was at least one newspaper account of anecdotal claims of excess birth defects in children born to a unit of the Mississippi National Guard.
However, this situation was thoroughly investigated in a scientific study by the Centers for Disease Control. A scientific paper on this study was published in a research journal. An abstract of that study can be found on the website of the CDC. Here is a quote from the CDC website:
>>>>>>>>>>In 1994, CDC collaborated with the Mississippi Department of Health and the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs to investigate reports of adverse birth outcomes among members of two Mississippi National Guard Units that served in the Gulf War. This investigation found no increase above expected rates in the total number of birth defects or in the frequency of premature births and low birth-weight babies. The frequency of other health problems, such as respiratory infections, gastroenteritis, and skin diseases among children born to these veterans also did not appear to be elevated.
Publication
Penman A, Tarver RS, Currier MM. No evidence of increase in birth defects and health problems among children born to Persian Gulf War veterans in Mississippi. Military Medicine 1996;161:1–6.<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>Susie Spear, a health writer for the Clarion-Ledger in Jackson, Mississippi, reported that among her local unit of the National Guard severe birth defects had affected thirteen of fifteen babies conceived by veterans or their spouses since the end of the war. Since then, a Veterans Administration survey of 251 parents statewide has revealed that 67 percent of their children conceived since the war are afflicted with illnesses rated severe or have birth defects including missing eyes and ears, blood infections, respiratory problems and fused fingers.<<<<<<<<<<>>>> One of the more startling statistics still worming through the internet and the British press is the claim that a study of Gulf War veterans showed the 67% had children with severe illnesses, missing eyes, blood infections, respiratory problems and fused fingers. [SH]
The same figure showed up in the 1999 BBC story by Kirby: In one unit, 67% of children born to US Gulf veterans had severe illnesses or birth defects.” [BBC1] Internet searches revealed that this stat, with a bit more detail, shows up on many peace and environmental activist sites. In a study of 251 Gulf War veterans families in Mississippi, 67 percent of their children were born without eyes, ears or a brain, had fused fingers, blood in infections, respiratory problems or thyroid and other organ malformations. [LM] I wrote to the author and was informed that her source was an article by Laura Flanders in The Nation from 1994. I quote:
“And now the effects of Gulf war Syndrome are carrying over to a new generation. Last December, Susie Spear, a health writer for the Clarion-Ledger in Jackson, Mississippi, reported that among her local unit of the National Guard severe birth defects had affected thirteen of fifteen babies conceived by veterans or their spouses since the end of the war. Since then, a Veterans Administration survey of 251 parents statewide has revealed that 67 percent of their children conceived since the war afflicted with illnesses rated severe or have birth defects including missing eyes and ears, blood infections, respiratory problems and fused fingers.” [LF]
I believe this is the common source of the 67 percent figure. It has now made its way into a book [MD]. I wrote Flanders and asked for the title of the VA survey and where it was published. She replied:
“The ’94 article refers to a survey which was part of a study not completed and published by the VA until 1996. My source is the Jackson Ledger reporter, somebody Spear, whom I quote in the piece; she’d been writing about the surveys starting a few months before and appeared on FAIR’s radio show to talk about it (a detail that got cut in editing.) Statistics being what they are, the ’96 report produced a quite different result from the early research. I haven’t read it in its entireity (by this time I was not so closely on the case) but it’s title is something like VA Finds NO LINK….to birth defects. [Private e-mail, 4/14/2003]
I went to my campus library and in 30 minutes, with some help from a kind person at the Government Documents Desk, found a 1997 article in Gulf War Review [GWR] entitled Birth Defects Risk Not Increased. I asked Flanders if this was the study. She wrote back: That’s the one! [Private e-mail, 4/15/2003] The study itself was published in the New England Journal of Medicine [NEJM]: In conclusion, this report provided substantial evidence that the children of Gulf War veterans do not have an increased risk of birth defects.
What can we conclude? Hearsay is valid news. This is why we should not try people in the press. It is also why we should not do science in the media either, and yet there is no “science court” to defer to. One just has to dig. I do not fault Flanders so much for reporting what she was hearing. But that so many others would repeat this story without checking up on the source is shear laziness.<<<<<<<<>>>We can offer some accurate information to correct the record. Rokke is a private citizen and does not represent the Department of Defense. Following the ground war, Rokke was attached for duty to assist technical experts in the recovery and decontamination of radioactive material and equipment. The team of approximately 10 people was led, not by Rokke, but by a civilian from the Army Munitions and Chemical Command (AMCCOM). Rokke’s primary role was to facilitate the recovery operations by ensuring the team had the proper support. Over the past years, Doug Rokke has reported varying numbers of ill or dead members of “his team.” These claims have been researched and are unsubstantiated.
In 1998, our office compiled a list of 29 names of people Rokke reported to be on “his team.” Staff members were able to interview 22 of them. Approximately 15 of the 29 people Doug Rokke had identified as being on “his team” actually worked on DU-contaminated vehicles. Two of the 29 had died, however, in interviews with the others, neither of these two veterans was named as having worked with depleted uranium. While we respect Rokke’s right to express his opinions, the fact that he presents himself as an expert, does not make it so. His role in the Gulf War and at the Chemical School, as well as the specifics of his educational background, do not qualify him as a depleted uranium expert. These areas fall well outside of his area of expertise and responsibility.<<<<
End of quote.
My comments: It seems that as of 1998, not a single member of the team had died of exposure to uranium, contrary to Rokke's claim. Before posting the above text, I contacted Doug Rokke and asked him to comment on this material. He refused to say anything in support of his earlier claim that 30 people had died from his organization and instead showed an intense desire to change the subject.
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Traprock, Doug Rokke and the Groves Memo – A Misleading and False Claim
Activist groups, such as the Traprock Peace Center, sometimes make serious errors when discussing technology issues, especially involving nuclear science. The reason seems to be that they do not have sufficient expertise to discuss the technical details of the causes that they promote. One such serious mistake can be seen on the website of the Traprock Peace Center which will be discussed below:
Traprock apparently thought they had found a solid expert (Doug Rokke) on the subject of depleted uranium who happened to agree with their view, that it is criminal to use depleted uranium in armed conflicts. Sunny Miller of Traprock accompanied Doug Rokke on a nationwide tour in opposition to depleted uranium. For whatever reason, Ms. Miller did not always give an accurate description of Rokke's credentials, sometimes claiming that he has a Ph.D. in Health Physics, a claim that he did not correct in at least one radio interview. Doug Rokke does have a little experience in health physics, in the military, but does not have a degree in that area. The Traprock Center has recently corrected their written transcript of one interview to accurately show that Rokke has a Ph.D. in education, not Health Physics, as they had at first claimed. Rokke's fairly modest background in the nuclear field can best be shown by his mistake in his writing that can be found at the URL above, on the Traprock website. Doug Rokke, in the text that is posted at the above URL, discusses a 1943 memo written to General Leslie Groves. According to Rokke, the memo is on the subject of uranium. Unfortunately for Rokke's interpretation, the memo is not on the subject of uranium but is rather about fission products. Rokke's text is in brackets, with the text from the 1943 memo in italics:
[A letter sent to General Leslie Groves during 1943 is even more disturbing. In that memorandum dated October 30, 1943, senior scientists assigned to the Manhattan Project suggested that uranium could be used as an air, water, and terrain contaminant. According to the letter sent by the Subcommittee of the S-1 Executive Committee on the "Use of Radioactive Materials as a Military Weapon" to General Groves (October 30, 1943) inhalation of uranium would result in "bronchial irritation coming on in a few hours to a few days."]
—– Doug Rokke as quoted on the Traprock web site
The above quote is incorrect and misleading and it is tempting to conclude that it was carefully constructed to be deliberately misleading. I suspect that Doug Rokke constructed this misleading quote more out of ignorance than dishonesty but even so it does not lend confidence in his ability to understand issues related to uranium. Note that the words 'uranium would result in' are not included in the quotation marks. That is because uranium was never mentioned in the memo. Doug Rokke concluded, incorrectly, that the memo was about uranium. In fact it was about fission products, which have quite different characteristics.
What does the 1943 memo actually say if it does not mention uranium? To explain that it is necessary to include more text than quoted by Rokke. Here is the quote in context, also in brackets:
[Particles larger than 1µ[micron]in size are likely to be deposited in nose, trachea or bronchi and then be brought up with mucus on the walls at the rate of 1/2 – 1 cm/min. Particles smaller than 1µ [micron] are more likely to be deposited in the alveoli where they will either remain indefinitely or be absorbed into the lymphatics or blood. The probability of the deposition of dust particles anywhere in the respiratory tract depends upon respiratory rate, particle size, chemical and physical nature, and the concentration in the atmosphere. Hence the probability of f products causing lung damage depends on all of these factors.
While only fragmentary information is available, it is felt that the injury would be manifest as bronchial irritation coming on in from a few hours to a few days, depending on the dose.] End of quote.
The last paragraph includes the quote Rokke used and you can see that uranium is nowhere to be seen. From the preceding paragraph it is obvious that the material is "f products" which means fission products. In another part of the letter, f products are plainly described as fission products. As for Doug Rokke's qualifications and experience, I question his competence in nuclear science because most professionals would not have made the mistake of concluding that uranium was the subject of this memo. The characteristics of fission products, as described in the letter, are so different from the characteristics of uranium that only an amateur would make the mistake that Rokke made. From that and other comments that he has made, it seems clear to me that Rokke's expertise in regard to depleted uranium is far less than he claims and far less than what is claimed for him by the "movement".
I believe that some impartial observers might conclude that Rokke dishonestly constructed the quote as it is given on the Traprock web site. But whether it was from dishonesty or stupidity, the quote is a false one and as of February 21, 2004 it still appears on the Traprock website. The fact that I pointed this out to Sunny Miller (Traprock Director) weeks ago and nothing has been done, suggests to me that Traprock is not greatly interested in correcting false information if it happens to support their viewpoints.
This particular mistake is not insignificant, because if it were accurate, it would be damning evidence against those who use depleted uranium. This particular falsehood has been spread far and wide on the Internet, and it can be found on half a dozen sites. This is an important matter because it will speak volumes about the integrity of activists and Traprock if it is not removed.
The entire 1943 memo to General Groves is given at the link below. Because the characteristics of fission products are quite different from the characteristics of uranium, any competent nuclear scientist would not make the mistake of confusing uranium with fission products. In some of his interviews, Rokke makes the admission that he had never heard of depleted uranium prior to 1991. Again this is the sort of telling comment that shows that Rokke is not the expert that he is claimed to be by the "movement". For some months, Rokke's biographical information was posted on the Traprock website until it was mysteriously removed. Possibly Traprock removed the resume because Rokke's current employment was listed as a substitute teacher, an odd situation for an "expert" in Health Physics.
Those wishing to completely understand all aspects of the 1943 memo to General Leslie Groves, can read the entire memo at the link below. The link below has reproduced the text clearly so that you don't have to read an image of the 1943 letter:
Memo to General Leslie Groves
When the mistaken interpretation of Doug Rokke is understood by the movement, they try to dismiss the memo as being unimportant. But the large number of internet sites that have quoted Rokke's false interpretation indicates that the movement has been greatly influenced by this false information.
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September, 2005 – A skeptical analyst recently had the following comments about the Doug Rokke version of the Groves memo:
I have been looking at Mr. Rokke and his claims for depleted uranium for some time. His acceptance by the "peace" community continues to baffle me. His "Groves memo", while it does suffer from the "out of context" flaw, is subject to much more fundamental criticism. The "Memo", as presented by Rokke (hereafter the "Rokke Memo"), is itself a fabrication. If you look carefully at the four pages of the Rokke memo, several things cry out for notice. The pages are oddly numbered – there is one "page 1", and three "page 2" sheets. They are typed with a mix of Pica and Elite typewriters. There is no continuity in paragraph and sub-paragraph numbering among the pages. The grammatical transitions from page to page either extremely strained, or missing altogether. There is no "signature block", a cardinal sin in military correspondence. I was able to verify that the four pages actually come from four separate documents. References for the first two pages comes from "Advisory Committee on Human Radiation Experiments' public meeting, 13-14 June 1994, Tab F. The second two pages are found in "Correspondence ("Top Secret") of the Manhattan Engineer District 1942-1946" National Archives Microfilm Publication M1109, Roll 1. Page one is the only page that is actually part of the original "Groves Memo". The second (and last) page of the actual memo is missing in the Rokke Memo, and shows the actual author of the memo to be K. D. Nichols, Colonel, Corps of Engineers. The first "Page 2" of the Rokke memo is actually the second page of a three-page summary written by the same Colonel Nichols. The first page and the third page of this summary are not included in the Rokke Memo. The document he summarizes is the document actually written by Doctors Conant, Compton and Urey. The second "Page 2" of the Rokke memo is from an seven-page document entitled "Radioactive Materials as a Military Weapon". It was part of a package of information used in a then "top-secret" project known as "Operation Peppermint" early in 1944. This document is probably an accurate version of the original paper written by the three scientists above. The final "Page 2" of the Rokke memo is actually page 2 of "Appendix I. Effects of Gamma-Rays on People" authored by a "Dr. R. S. Stone". I hope some of this information is useful to you.
Sincerely, Gary F. Giesecke
If you would like to send an email to Traprock Peace Center objecting to their misleading and false description of the Groves memo, you may reach them at [email protected]
Comments by Dr. Otto Raabe, Health Physicist, in regard to Doug Rokke
The following text was published on the Radsafe list. It is from Dr. Otto Raabe, former President of the Health Physics Society. Dr. Raabe has far more education and experience in Health Physics than Doug Rokke.
November 26, 2002 Davis, CA
Last night I went to hear Doug Rokke's performance at the Davis Community Church concerning the "poisoning of whole nations by the use of DU munitions by the U.S. military". In his talk Rokke made numerous technical errors concerning uranium toxicology and health physics including saying that a beta dose to the skin of 300 mrem exceeded the standard for whole body exposure. I strongly objected to his misrepresentation of the DU toxicology facts during the comment period. I think my objections fell on closed minds, however, since this was a cultist group of "peace activists" who think disarmament of our nation will lead to peace. Rokke's stated purpose is to get the U.S. to stop using some of our best field weapons that employ DU projectiles.
Rokke's performance was clever and polished. I think he has had professional drama coaching. Not since Helen Caldicott have I heard such masterful manipulation of the audience. He credited himself at every turn with being highly principled while always casting the U.S. military as nefarious and cold-blooded. He claimed he was fired by the government because of his dedication to health and safety.
Much of his talk involved references to toxic chemicals released by our military action in the Gulf War, contaminated food provided by the Saudis, and claimed poisoning of people by DU dust. He said he was a "health physicist" and implied that he had a Ph.D. in physics by reference to being in his "physics lab" while working on his doctorate. Actually, his doctorate is in "Education Methodology", which I got him to admit during the questioning. He is certainly not a qualified health physicist. According to reliable sources, he is currently a substitute teacher in a middle school in Urbana, Illinois, and a director of a children's camp in the summers.
Rokke said that in the Gulf War he was the "Director of the Army Depleted Uranium Project," and that virtually everyone who worked on the project was sick from exposure to DU. The diseases and ailments that he claimed for DU conflict with 50 years of research on DU toxicology and with the findings of the Department Defence who are carefully evaluating military personnel who were exposed to high levels of airborne DU aerosols. See http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/du_ii
Unfortunately, the audience of about 100 people were enthralled with Rokke and angry with me for objecting to his erroneous statements and misrepresentation, but I think it was important to cast some doubt on this charlatans's proclamations.
Otto
Prof. Otto G. Raabe, Ph.D. CHP
Center for Health and the Environment
University of California, Davis, CA 95616
Australian Member of Parliament Exposes False Information from Doug Rokke.
For the original text, see the following website: Australian Parliament Website
The following text is the relevent portion from from the Australian website.
Lancelin Defence Training Area
HON FRANK HOUGH (Agricultural) [4.44 pm]: On Wednesday night I asked Hon Dee Margetts for an
apology for the rubbish she released around Lancelin about Dr Rokke and depleted uranium.
Hon Dee Margetts put out a brochure that states –
Dr Rokke, a US expert on DEPLETED uranium . . . spoke to a meeting of concerned residents . .
It went on to say that –
. . . the US was planning much more intensive use of the Lancelin Range.
It also says that Dr Rokke was a former head of the Pentagon etc. On the other page it states –
Hon Dee Margetts: I did not say he was a former head of the Pentagon.
Hon FRANK HOUGH: The brochure states –
Dr Rokke was a major in the US Army and former head of the Pentagon’s Depleted Uranium
Project –
Hon Dee Margetts: Right! Thank you! I did not say –
Hon FRANK HOUGH: The member should not get so excited. In the brochure it states that
Dee Margetts –
. . . has expressed her condemnation in the strongest terms . . .
It then refers to the recent visit and the sea swap trial. The Greens (WA) have an apparent
hatred for the American Navy, farmers, miners and small business. I would like to get to the
bottom of it and the matter of the member’s friend, Dr Rokke, the expert. As the honourable
member says in the uncorrected proof of Hansard of 13 August –
. . . I will first point out that I have sighted Dr Rokke’s citations and can only assume
that the member who has just spoken has not. . . . Unfortunately, the United States military has
no record of cleaning up its mess . . .
In Dr Rokke’s address on depleted uranium in the The San Francisco Times he states –
. . . I was the U.S. Army health physicist assigned to the 12th Preventative Medicine AM
theatre command staff . . .
He goes on about destroying uranium and states –
I immediately contacted unit and the theatre medical command staff to recommend medical
care for all exposed individuals.
Who is Dr Rokke? We find out that Dr Rokke is a schoolteacher. A letter to me from the Consul
General of the United States, Oscar De Soto – sounds like the name of a motor car – states –
. . . Dr Rokke has made exaggerated and untrue claims during his visit to Australia.
Dr Rokke has exaggerated his background. He is not, and never has been “the foremost U.S.
military expert on DU,” as he was described in the . . . Canberra Times. He is not a medical
doctor. His Ph.D. is in education.
The people of Lancelin are very upset about what is going on. The honourable member has raced
into Lancelin and the bullpen, thrown in a red rag, and run like buggery. I am left to sort it
out with the residents in my home town, who are worried about the depleted uranium etc.
Let us go on about Dr Rokke and his boss. Who is his boss? It is Robert Cherry, PhD,
certified health physicist, and a retired US Army colonel. What does he say about Dr Rokke?
In a letter of his to The Age he states –
Dr Rokke apparently misled you on several points as you prepared your article.
He was never a US military researcher.
He was never a scientific expert on depleted uranium, much less the Pentagon’s senior expert.
While I cannot tell you why he was sacked (US Privacy Act), I can tell it was not for his
“public views.” His first presented these views only after he lost his job.
Scientists are not divided and much pertinent research has been done to show that Rokke’s
allegations about the DU’s health effects are false.
It could have been Dr Joke –
Damaged vehicles were left behind and buried because their recovery was uneconomical, not
because they were “too dangerous to move.”
He was not recalled to head a “depleted uranium project in Nevada.” He inserted himself,
but the US Department of Energy only allowed him there as an observer.
In the past he has named friends he has “lost” who are still very much alive and well.
Dr Rokke had been saying how sad it was that he had lost friends in Desert Storm, but
apparently they are all alive and well! The letter continues –
While uranium can cause harm internally, it must exceed a threshold well above natural
levels. Rokke and soldiers in the Gulf War never exceeded that threshold except for
friendly fire survivors. Those survivors have never shown ill health attributable to
uranium still in their bodies.
Robert Cherry, Ph.D.
Certified Health Physicist.
There is a letter from another boss to the editor, which reads –
You reporter. . . has just published . . . an article on Doug Rokke, with the highest
count of errors per paragraph ever recorded to my knowledge. It is embarrassing to read
such tripe knowing Doug Rokke so well and experiencing the ease with which even a cub
reporter on a high school paper could trip him up. In a nutshell, not one of his “facts”
could be verified if you even bothered a perfunctory check. I was his supervisor at Fort
McClellan, AL where he was called to duty to work under me while I was the Director of the
Bradley Radiation Laboratories at the U.S. Army Chemical School. It would take too much
space to detail the lies he told your reporter, but here is a minuscule sample: he is not
a Health Physicist, he was not “put in charge” of anything, he did NOT lose his job from
speaking out: that came later, . . .
Disappointedly, Ed L. Battle, PhD (in Physics, not education like Dr. Rokke’s),
COL, USAF (Ret)
I met a Dr Rokke on a genetically modified organism project. They are called charlatans or spin
doctors, which is basically what Oscar De Soto has informed us.
For the benefit of members who are interested in Lancelin, I inquired about depleted uranium.
I received a report from the Department of Mineral and Petroleum Resources, which was signed
off by Jenny McGuire, principal chemist for the environmental chemistry section. Three test
bores were conducted in Lancelin on 25 July. Tests were conducted for uranium and thorium.
Thorium was measured at under 0.001 and uranium at 0.0010. I will summarise the evidence and
Hon Jim Scott can question Jenny McGuire, the principal chemist of the environmental chemistry
section of the Department of Mineral and Petroleum Resources. Her letter concludes –
The waters are unsuitable for drinking purposes due to their high dissolved solids content.
The composition of the waters is typical of a borewater and does not show any obvious signs
of contamination.
That is the water we drink, which is purified as it passes through the system. In the area in
which I live the water contains more lime than anything else. I have water filters in my home.
The more of that water people drink the more they need because it has a tendency to make them
thirsty, but that is certainly not caused by uranium. I do not wear any pyjamas, and when I get
up in the night I walk past a large mirror. I do not see myself glow. I can say categorically
that I do not glow, but my face glows when Hon Dee Margetts drops such tripe on the people of
Lancelin and then does a gigantic runner.
Hon Jim Scott: You are in favour of the bombing range, are you?
Hon FRANK HOUGH: The bombing range was there long before the town of Lancelin.
As Mr De Soto said –
. . . let me reiterate that the US military does not use DU munitions in Lancelin.
I urge you to share this information with your constituents and other Members of Parliament.
If the member had asked at the United States consulate, the situation could have been explained.
Alleged Connection Between Depleted Uranium and Birth Defects
by Robert Holloway
One of the most powerful emotional tactics of the campaign against depleted uranium is to show horrific photos of birth defects that are alleged to have been caused by depleted uranium. This argument has been presented to me by several activists and in each case it is done in a way that I find most striking and astonishing. The astonishing part is that the activists never feel the need to demonstrate any connection between depleted uranium and the birth defects. It is as if the mere presence of birth defects in a country where depleted uranium munitions were used is enough to establish a cause and effect relationship. Perhaps that is at least remotely rational since it seems to be common knowledge that radiation can cause birth defects. Radiation is known to cause birth defects such as retardation and small head size but these effects are only found with very large doses of radiation and not from uranium, either natural or depleted.
A related but not identical effect of radiation is that of inheritable defects. Bear in mind that a birth defect is not necessarily a hereditary effect. The best expert opinion, including a report of the United Nations Scientific Committee on Effects of Radiation, is that "radiation exposure has never been demonstrated to cause hereditary effects in human populations". One of the largest study populations is that of the survivors of the atomic bombing of Japan. According to the U.N. report, "The absence of observable effects in children of survivors of the atomic bombings in Japan, one of the largest study populations, indicates that moderate acute radiation exposures of even a relatively large human population must have little impact."
It is important to note here that the report does not claim that it is impossible for radiation to produce hereditary effects, but that the frequency of hereditary effects (from radiation) is very low compared to the baseline frequency of hereditary effects from other causes even in the case of a large radiation dose. According to the U.N. report a substantial dose of 1 Gray is likely to produce adverse effects at a frequency of less than one percent of the baseline frequency of these adverse effects. [A one Gray dose is approaching a lethal dose] Another factor that enters into the situation is that when the activists show photos of birth defects, there is normally an absence of information as to the radiation exposure, if any, of the parents. Two unlikely probabilities, multiplied together, immensely reduce the chances that the observed birth defects were caused by depleted uranium. That unlikely situation does not reduce the shrill cries of alarm from the activist groups, however.
Gator misdirection science now.
There is significant evidence that cancer rates have increased in specific areas of Iraq.
Depleted uranium, is known to have been used in those areas
Cancer rates have not increased in areas where DU has not been used
Explain
Did you know that there are other agents that cause cancer? I guess not! 😆
But then you are a nitwit…
The village idiot just keeps burnishing his credentials! 😆
stoning to death by christianity, as spelled out in the bible
That is what intelligent people call ‘The Old Testament’, and existed before Christ, you moron.
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”
-John 8:7
Come on Chris! Show us your vast knowledge! 😆
Name those ‘other cancer causing agents’ which suit the profile of the cancer rate distribution which also ties up perfectly with the use of DU in the same areas
Here is one you moron…
MUSTARD GAS
First used during World War I, mustard gas is a colorless, odorless liquid at room temperature and causes extreme blistering. The name stems from its color and smell in its impure state. It’s not related to the condiment mustard in any way. It’s commonly referred to as a gas because the military designed it for use as an aerosol.
Even slight exposure leads to deep, agonizing blisters that appear within four to 24 hours of contact. If it gets into the eyes, they swell shut, and blindness can result. If inhaled at high doses, the respiratory system bleeds internally, and death is likely.
Exposure to more than 50 percent of the body’s skin is usually fatal. It also causes cancer.
I have better things to do than tutor idiots. You have proven you have an agenda, are a liar, and only seek stories backing your stupidity.You reject the vast volume of evidence just like the CAGW a55holes.
Go bless yourself! 😆
You assert that the US used mustard gas in Iraq…and in exactly the same areas that DU was used and hence it was mustard gas which caused the increase in cancer rates in the respective areas ?
Apart from the fact that mustard gas was outlawed by the Geneva Conventions (the US sneaked a bit out into Korea though) are you saying that the US illegally used mustard gas in Iraq ? Nobody is going to believe you, except you
Only a village idiot waould assume the mustard gas was from us…
The village idiot just keeps burnishing his credentials! 😆
stoning to death by christianity, as spelled out in the bible
That is what intelligent people call ‘The Old Testament’, and existed before Christ, you moron.
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”
-John 8:7
Come on Chris! Show us your vast knowledge! 😆
Ooops, I assumed you could think without the bottle. Never mind. 😆
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, June 29, 2006 – The 500 munitions discovered throughout Iraq since 2003 and discussed in a National Ground Intelligence Center report meet the criteria of weapons of mass destruction, the center’s commander said here today.
“These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes … they do constitute weapons of mass destruction,” Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee.
The Chemical Weapons Convention is an arms control agreement which outlaws the production, stockpiling and use of chemical weapons. It was signed in 1993 and entered into force in 1997.
The munitions found contain sarin and mustard gases, Army Lt. Gen. Michael D. Maples, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, said. Sarin attacks the neurological system and is potentially lethal.
“Mustard is a blister agent (that) actually produces burning of any area (where) an individual may come in contact with the agent,” he said. It also is potentially fatal if it gets into a person’s lungs.
The munitions addressed in the report were produced in the 1980s, Maples said. Badly corroded, they could not currently be used as originally intended, Chu added.
While that’s reassuring, the agent remaining in the weapons would be very valuable to terrorists and insurgents, Maples said. “We’re talking chemical agents here that could be packaged in a different format and have a great effect,” he said, referencing the sarin-gas attack on a Japanese subway in the mid-1990s.
This is true even considering any degradation of the chemical agents that may have occurred, Chu said. It’s not known exactly how sarin breaks down, but no matter how degraded the agent is, it’s still toxic.
“Regardless of (how much material in the weapon is actually chemical agent), any remaining agent is toxic,” he said. “Anything above zero (percent agent) would prove to be toxic, and if you were exposed to it long enough, lethal.”
Though about 500 chemical weapons – the exact number has not been released publicly – have been found, Maples said he doesn’t believe Iraq is a “WMD-free zone.”
“I do believe the former regime did a very poor job of accountability of munitions, and certainly did not document the destruction of munitions,” he said. “The recovery program goes on, and I do not believe we have found all the weapons.”
The Defense Intelligence Agency director said locating and disposing of chemical weapons in Iraq is one of the most important tasks servicemembers in the country perform.
Maples added searches are ongoing for chemical weapons beyond those being conducted solely for force protection.
There has been a call for a complete declassification of the National Ground Intelligence Center’s report on WMD in Iraq. Maples said he believes the director of national intelligence is still considering this option, and has asked Maples to look into producing an unclassified paper addressing the subject matter in the center’s report.
Much of the classified matter was slated for discussion in a closed forum after the open hearings this morning.
Contact Author
Biographies:
Lt. Gen. Michael D. Maples, USA
Related Sites:
Defense Intelligence Agency
National Ground Intelligence Center
http://www.defense.gov/News/NewsArticle.aspx?ID=15918
But we believe in your windmills! 😆
From bad to worse….you now suggest that ‘someone else’ must have…what ?…snuck in to exactly the same areas where DU munitions were fired, released mustard gas, and there is no evidence of it, even the highly advanced battlefield tools of the US didn’t capture a single piece of evidence of it happening.
Still, nobody will believe you
The village idiot just keeps burnishing his credentials! 😆
stoning to death by christianity, as spelled out in the bible
That is what intelligent people call ‘The Old Testament’, and existed before Christ, you moron.
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”
-John 8:7
Come on Chris! Show us your vast knowledge! 😆
But we believe you Dumb Dumb. 😆
I tell you what…how about I pay you £1.77 million to inhale DU dust
You don’t want to have any more children do you
Done! Send the money through Tony!
Or are you just lying again? 😆
I prefer cash, when you get here
I will need proof you have the funds electric bike boy! 😆
I doubt you can balance a checkbook, given your vast stupidity
Chris the village idiot spews:
“Islamic Law”…Nobody fears it. It doesn’t actually exist
Why do you feel it necessary to keep provimg that you are an idiot? We know already! 😆
To Arabic-speaking people, sharia (/????ri???/;[1] also shari’a, shar??ah; Arabic: ?????? šar??ah, IPA: [?a?ri??a], “legislation”) means the moral code and religious law of a prophetic religion.[2][3][4] The term “sharia” has been largely identified with Islam in English usage.[5]
Sharia (Islamic law) deals with several topics including: crime, politics, and economics, as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, hygiene, diet, prayer, everyday etiquette and fasting..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia
DU dust is pyrophoric, meaning it is likely to self ignite in free air, and apart from the cancer risks the heavy metal poisoning is almost certainly going to cause your kidneys to fail
You have valued your lings and life at £1.77 million. Shit like this makes god very happy
I reckon you think that such a nasty death is better than a beheading by Sharia law.
The muslims are coming and …..and well, they’re going to be happy to talk to you….and help you if you need it……
The village idiot just keeps burnishing his credentials! 😆
stoning to death by christianity, as spelled out in the bible
That is what intelligent people call ‘The Old Testament’, and existed before Christ, you moron.
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”
-John 8:7
Come on Chris! Show us your vast knowledge! 😆
Do I need to repeat that you were wrong, again? Yep!
Chris the village idiot spews:
“Islamic Law”…Nobody fears it. It doesn’t actually exist
Why do you feel it necessary to keep proving that you are an idiot? We know already! 😆
To Arabic-speaking people, sharia (/????ri???/;[1] also shari’a, shar??ah; Arabic: ?????? šar??ah, IPA: [?a?ri??a], “legislation”) means the moral code and religious law of a prophetic religion.[2][3][4] The term “sharia” has been largely identified with Islam in English usage.[5]
Sharia (Islamic law) deals with several topics including: crime, politics, and economics, as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, hygiene, diet, prayer, everyday etiquette and fasting..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia
Find somebody else who does not yet know you are a foll, and enlighten them for a change. 😆
Village Idiot says:
March 25, 2015 at 12:23 am
DU dust is pyrophoric, meaning it is likely to self ignite in free air, and apart from the cancer risks the heavy metal poisoning is almost certainly going to cause your kidneys to fail
You have valued your lings and life at £1.77 million. Shit like this makes god very happy
Given that you have proven you noting about God, DU, windmills, Islamic law, etc… it appears that once again you lied about your available funds.
Chris, when you have anything of value to say, or pay, and can stop lying, I will interact. Until then, this will be my response.
The village idiot just keeps burnishing his credentials! 😆
stoning to death by christianity, as spelled out in the bible
That is what intelligent people call ‘The Old Testament’, and existed before Christ, you moron.
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”
-John 8:7
Come on Chris! Show us your vast knowledge! 😆
Do I need to repeat that you were wrong, again? Yep!
Chris the village idiot spews:
“Islamic Law”…Nobody fears it. It doesn’t actually exist
Why do you feel it necessary to keep proving that you are an idiot? We know already! 😆
To Arabic-speaking people, sharia (/????ri???/;[1] also shari’a, shar??ah; Arabic: ?????? šar??ah, IPA: [?a?ri??a], “legislation”) means the moral code and religious law of a prophetic religion.[2][3][4] The term “sharia” has been largely identified with Islam in English usage.[5]
Sharia (Islamic law) deals with several topics including: crime, politics, and economics, as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, hygiene, diet, prayer, everyday etiquette and fasting..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia
Find somebody else who does not yet know you are a foll, and enlighten them for a change. 😆
‘proven a noting about God…..’
A noting ?
Didn’t you just get really excited because you think you’re being funny and wise, and now that you have proven a noting about DU dust you are willing to sell yourself like cheap arse in the air politician of any damn denomination
I can raise huge sums by the time yoiu get here just by selling the TV rights of someone willing to inhale burning uranium dust and to see what happens when renal failure kicks in. We will sadly never see your cancer develop, your lymphs will never get a noting either
And by all accounts it would be suicide…so no heaven for you !
Why do you think that someone that commits suicide would never go to Heaven? King Saul, an ELECT by God, and King of Israel committed suicide so his enemies wouldn’t kill him. It’s called honor, kind of like dying for what you believe in. He was kick-ass, and he hated left-wing idiots born from the progenitors of all that God hates–the descendants of Ishmael; an ideology based upon laziness and jealousy and murder if they don’t get their way.
Would any left-wing, progressive Communistic pussy like yourself die for what you believe in, or would you rather get your monthly government check to make you feel warm and fuzzy and safe? Keep voting for idiots, douchie, and you’ll be one of the first limp-wristed pussy mother-fuckers that gets shot in the head or slit in the throat when Muhammad’s religion or Obama’s spineless synchophants finally gain control of America. Mark my words, pussy, YOU will be the first they come for. They’ll make a youtube video about how they cut the head off of a spineless, “peaceful” cunt. Do you really think they’d come for ME first? Or a pussy like yourself?
You can’t be that goddamn stupid, unless you have a death-wish. Would you die for what you believe in? Global warming? “Save the earth?” If so, why not do it now, and spare the rest of us your bullshit. You’ll also save the Muslims that you love a few bucks from buying the bullets and knives they’ll need to take your sorry ass out, Kotex.
Here’s a great idea about how to do it. Send the family members that love you over to nanny’s house for a great big dinner. Then, go into the garage, shut the doors, and start the car. There will then be a great big funeral where phonies weep phony tears over a phony, while the rest of America and the Western World breathes a sigh of relief.
This idiot made it easy. Who’s next?
Hey Lou! I am not getting any notifications of responses to my posts and want to make sure it is not an issue with my service. Have you noticed the same?
I haven’t received a response from the athiestic “manly dudette,” Christine the Baroness. She’s not too busy motorboating some small child (male or female) somewhere in the third-world, and telling them that if he/she doesn’t like his/her tongue stuck up his/her ass while blubbering (like most “progressives” do), that they will die from global warming, is he/she?
You haven’t responded yet, Christine the Baronness. It’s been over three hours, Kotex. A simple question: do you have the balls to die for what you believe in, and do you know where you will spend your eternity if you die like a man? This is not about Islamic “death to the infidels,” where they always make sure they take some innocents with them. That’s Islamic death from unrighteous religionists and the wimpy leftist media that are afraid of them. Christian death at the hands of the true infidels (including the leftist wimpy-assed media) says “I’ll die alone without taking anyone else with me. But I’ll shoot back at the left-wing, pussy infidels first that try to steal my private property or hurt my family.”
Christine, I have two honest questions. Who am I to expect an honest answer? But here goes anyway: Would you suck King Barack Hussein Obama’s cock for a paycheck? Yes or no. Would you suck James Hanson’s pussy for a paycheck? Yes or no. It’s very simple. I call it “trickle-down prostitution,” and you seem like a “trickle down metrosexual” that can’t make up your mind about what you believe in, except that what you don’t believe in comes with a small, government-approved paycheck.
You need to buy a blonde wig, some thigh-highs and a pair of high heels. And find a street corner somewhere in Camden, NJ. Perhaps on Rutgers property.
Minotti on toast says
“You can’t be that goddamn stupid, unless you have a death-wish. Would you die for what you believe in? Global warming? “Save the earth?””
Are you so much of an idiot to miss me say that I don’t believe in global warming ? There is no such thing, why the hell am I going to die for something I don’t believe in ?
Hey, brother. I have not clicked on the link below to know when someone responds to my comments. In other words, I don’t give a flying fuck about what anyone has to say–especially the trolls that plague terrific websites like this one, and that’s why I don’t care enough to do so. But since I am not that “internet savvy,” and really don’t care to know what idiots have to say about me or what I’ve posted, well, that’s why I don’t care! So, to answer your question, I really don’t know. Since I’m not that savvy, and I’ve been thinking about what Tony posted about leaving WordPress, I’m beginning to think that life would be more peaceful by eliminating all electronic communications, selling the business, buying our nice home in the country, planting a garden like our family used to do, and using smoke signals. Just so I have my bass boat, my wife, my Remington 870 Wingmaster, my skills, and my Bible (not necessarily in that order). Any more in America, one has to apply every effort to keep what he’s worked for. And don’t for a minute think that being smart means anything to these idiots that hate you and want to steal what you’ve worked for. These politicos are Satan-smart.
Lord bless you & yours, brother.
Hey Lou! It was a connectivity issue. Service out here is spotty at best.
I already live in what most folks call ‘God’s country’, and keep a Remington 12 ga next to the bed for any lunatics like Chris that may show up on my property. I have had numerous death threats from atheists like Chris, simply because I embarrass their ‘non-religious’ religions. I also keep fire extinguishers, and have never had to use either for self preservation, but would be an idiot like Chris not to have both. We do have regular gatherings out here where we sample each others latest firearms, everyone here is armed to the teeth, and because of this there has been only one murder in this county in over 15 years when a mentally ill son took his father’s life, with an axe.
Out here we know our neighbors and do not fear them. We look after each other, and even leave doors and windows open, weather permitting. My nearest neighbor has a key to my home and we watch out for one another. The mental illness that afflicts citiots is one of the main reasons I left the city, they are selfish and hateful folks for the most part, and have no clue what goes on in the real world, all they know is the pablum they are served up by their masters.
I have no debt, and live about as free as a man can in this world. Being outside the noise and confusion of the masses, life is pretty simple, and truth easy to identify. Being grounded is a blessing. Each day I see the miracle of life around me and feel connected to endless generations who came before me, and recognize their wisdom. Without the confusion and noise of the citiot’s lies and distortions, truth is self evident.
At times I too would like nothing more than to disconnect completely from the haters like Chris, but I feel called to expose their lies. As has been said before, evil only triumphs when good men fail to act. And we have proven Chris to be a liar, an unrepentant liar who seeks to deceive and destroy. Thanks to his misplaced bravado and naivete, I have all the ammo I need to embarrass him for a lifetime.
I am thankful for Tony’s hard work, without good folks like him I may have disappeared from the fray years ago. Don’t ever stop fighting the good fight my friend, you will never regret defending truth.
And if you are ever looking to leave the concrete asylum, I highly recommend it. It changed my life for the better, and I will never go back.
I left the concrete asylum years ago, but sadly moved back. From Indiana. Grace Theological Seminary. “The Bride” (at that time) wanted to move home to her idiotic family, and I was also missing my idiotic family (to be truthful). At least my family wasn’t comprised of pedophiles and abortionists. So we came back.
Gator, keep exposing lies. If there’s one thing Satan’s kids know by heart is the “feel sorry for me” mantra. Lazy losers that want to blame everyone else for everything wrong in their loser lives usually points to the simple fact that they’re lazy losers. I’m tired of taking care of goddamn idiots. I should know–I married two of them, but the current idiot that I love and feel sorry for is coming along nicely. She’s also learning to listen more and talk less. And she wasn’t molested as a kid. That’s a great start around here, living in pedophile-based Glassboro, NJ. (Think “Deliverance,” but with a Sicilian twist, and financed by the local RC Church).
While attending seminary in Winona Lake, Indiana, our doors were never locked at night, until the shack-bully allowed her neuroses to take her back to Barnsboro, NJ, with the nightmares of her grandfather molesting her while dad & mom weren’t watching, or were busy at work. They were RCs. It must be a right of passage at confirmation. She now lives in “peace & quiet” somewhere in Vermont with her latest lesbian lover. God speed, so long as she’s in peace and not freezing or starving. I’m praying that there’s a windmill or solar panel array that keeps dropping dead birds on her Prius (with the local pedophile priest’s blessing, of course). That’s my worst wish for that ex-dry lover that cost me one home and business due to her leftist, “save the world” excesses. In our last argument before I was taken out of my home in handcuffs by the Mantua Township, NJ police department, my final words were these, “How are you going to save the world by licking another woman’s pussy? Didn’t your mother, Lois Gellenthin Yahrling, do enough damage already as a maternity nurse at Underwood-Memorial Hospital in Woodbury, NJ, that happily assisted in the abortions they perform there?”
Thanks also, gator, for confirming a decision that I came to years ago: NO DEBT! Iron sharpens iron, and that includes confirmation through encouragement.
Sorry Dumb Dumb, but I have a life, and I was also laughing so hard at your stupid ass, to hard to notice my editing issues.
Raise the money, give me proof of the funds, and I will gladly take your challenge and help the poor. I pray daily to have the ability to do more for the needy, whom you so despise.
Until then, this is all you get. Enjoy it liar! 😆
The village idiot just keeps burnishing his credentials! 😆
stoning to death by christianity, as spelled out in the bible
That is what intelligent people call ‘The Old Testament’, and existed before Christ, you moron.
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”
-John 8:7
Come on Chris! Show us your vast knowledge! 😆
Do I need to repeat that you were wrong, again? Yep!
Chris the village idiot spews:
“Islamic Law”…Nobody fears it. It doesn’t actually exist
Why do you feel it necessary to keep proving that you are an idiot? We know already! 😆
To Arabic-speaking people, sharia (/????ri???/;[1] also shari’a, shar??ah; Arabic: ?????? šar??ah, IPA: [?a?ri??a], “legislation”) means the moral code and religious law of a prophetic religion.[2][3][4] The term “sharia” has been largely identified with Islam in English usage.[5]
Sharia (Islamic law) deals with several topics including: crime, politics, and economics, as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, hygiene, diet, prayer, everyday etiquette and fasting..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia
Find somebody else who does not yet know you are a fool, and enlighten them for a change. 😆
Tell us, Chris Barron, but this time in English, please: did aliens probe your butt last time they visited you?
If it wasn’t aliens perhaps it was the local catholic priest.
He is now called Fingerbobs for obvious reasons
The village idiot just keeps burnishing his credentials! 😆
stoning to death by christianity, as spelled out in the bible
That is what intelligent people call ‘The Old Testament’, and existed before Christ, you moron.
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”
-John 8:7
Come on Chris! Show us your vast knowledge! 😆
Do I need to repeat that you were wrong, again? Yep!
Chris the village idiot spews:
“Islamic Law”…Nobody fears it. It doesn’t actually exist
Why do you feel it necessary to keep proving that you are an idiot? We know already! 😆
To Arabic-speaking people, sharia (/????ri???/;[1] also shari’a, shar??ah; Arabic: ?????? šar??ah, IPA: [?a?ri??a], “legislation”) means the moral code and religious law of a prophetic religion.[2][3][4] The term “sharia” has been largely identified with Islam in English usage.[5]
Sharia (Islamic law) deals with several topics including: crime, politics, and economics, as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, hygiene, diet, prayer, everyday etiquette and fasting..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia
Find somebody else who does not yet know you are a fool, and enlighten them for a change. 😆
Good old Tea Party…reliable to a ‘T’
The village’s largest idiot just keeps burnishing his credentials! 😆
stoning to death by christianity, as spelled out in the bible
That is what intelligent people call ‘The Old Testament’, and existed before Christ, you moron.
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”
-John 8:7
Come on Chris! Show us your vast knowledge! 😆
Do I need to repeat that you were wrong, again? Yep!
Chris the village idiot spews:
“Islamic Law”…Nobody fears it. It doesn’t actually exist
Why do you feel it necessary to keep proving that you are an idiot? We know already! 😆
To Arabic-speaking people, sharia (/????ri???/;[1] also shari’a, shar??ah; Arabic: ?????? šar??ah, IPA: [?a?ri??a], “legislation”) means the moral code and religious law of a prophetic religion.[2][3][4] The term “sharia” has been largely identified with Islam in English usage.[5]
Sharia (Islamic law) deals with several topics including: crime, politics, and economics, as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, hygiene, diet, prayer, everyday etiquette and fasting..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia
Find somebody else who does not yet know you are a fool, and enlighten them for a change. 😆
“I pray daily to have the ability to do more for the needy, whom you so despise.”
I have no hatred of the needy, not even when they present themselves to me as you.
My question to you is simply this – why can you not do more to help the needy on your own….the prayer is hardly essential in this day and age.
Enjoy, then evolve 😉
http://www.ted.com/talks/noah_feldman_says_politics_and_religion_are_technologies
I should have said…your neediness is for attention, and to take control
The village idiot just keeps burnishing his credentials! 😆
stoning to death by christianity, as spelled out in the bible
That is what intelligent people call ‘The Old Testament’, and existed before Christ, you moron.
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”
-John 8:7
Come on Chris! Show us your vast knowledge! 😆
Do I need to repeat that you were wrong, again? Yep!
Chris the village idiot spews:
“Islamic Law”…Nobody fears it. It doesn’t actually exist
Why do you feel it necessary to keep proving that you are an idiot? We know already! 😆
To Arabic-speaking people, sharia (/????ri???/;[1] also shari’a, shar??ah; Arabic: ?????? šar??ah, IPA: [?a?ri??a], “legislation”) means the moral code and religious law of a prophetic religion.[2][3][4] The term “sharia” has been largely identified with Islam in English usage.[5]
Sharia (Islamic law) deals with several topics including: crime, politics, and economics, as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, hygiene, diet, prayer, everyday etiquette and fasting..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia
Find somebody else who does not yet know you are a fool, and enlighten them for a change. 😆
Still rolling out the Wikipedia definitions and their Anglicised interpretations which are designed to make it easier for those who can’t quite find it within them to say Sharia.
If it helps you to do that then that’s fine, but I don’t know anyone who calls it ‘Islamic Law’. but then I do’t know anyone who fears it either
The village idiot just keeps burnishing his credentials! 😆
stoning to death by christianity, as spelled out in the bible
That is what intelligent people call ‘The Old Testament’, and existed before Christ, you moron.
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”
-John 8:7
Come on Chris! Show us your vast knowledge! 😆
Do I need to repeat that you were wrong, again? Yep!
Chris the village idiot spews:
“Islamic Law”…Nobody fears it. It doesn’t actually exist
Why do you feel it necessary to keep proving that you are an idiot? We know already! 😆
To Arabic-speaking people, sharia (/????ri???/;[1] also shari’a, shar??ah; Arabic: ?????? šar??ah, IPA: [?a?ri??a], “legislation”) means the moral code and religious law of a prophetic religion.[2][3][4] The term “sharia” has been largely identified with Islam in English usage.[5]
Sharia (Islamic law) deals with several topics including: crime, politics, and economics, as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, hygiene, diet, prayer, everyday etiquette and fasting..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia
Find somebody else who does not yet know you are a fool, and enlighten them for a change. 😆
You’ll be in bed in a couple of hours…..you won’t be able to keep it up old timer….and you won’t let yourself lie in because you’ll just have to come back and do this again for the renewed sense of purpose I’m letting you enjoy…and just like god wants you to do
So . anyway…why do you dispute the theory of evolution and all the science behind it ? Isn’t that strangely unscientific of you for this blog ?
As if my rest will make your lies fact! 😆 D-U-M-B-A-S-S!
The village idiot just keeps burnishing his credentials! 😆
stoning to death by christianity, as spelled out in the bible
That is what intelligent people call ‘The Old Testament’, and existed before Christ, you moron.
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”
-John 8:7
Come on Chris! Show us your vast knowledge! 😆
Do I need to repeat that you were wrong, again? Yep!
Chris the village idiot spews:
“Islamic Law”…Nobody fears it. It doesn’t actually exist
Why do you feel it necessary to keep proving that you are an idiot? We know already! 😆
To Arabic-speaking people, sharia (/????ri???/;[1] also shari’a, shar??ah; Arabic: ?????? šar??ah, IPA: [?a?ri??a], “legislation”) means the moral code and religious law of a prophetic religion.[2][3][4] The term “sharia” has been largely identified with Islam in English usage.[5]
Sharia (Islamic law) deals with several topics including: crime, politics, and economics, as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, hygiene, diet, prayer, everyday etiquette and fasting..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia
Find somebody else who does not yet know you are a fool, and enlighten them for a change. 😆
Good night old man.
I’ll be popping in later to leave you something to respond to. So don’t go to bed at the usual time tonight….not until you’ve said prayers anyway
Popping more ignorance no doubt. Everyone is soooo very impressed with your (lack of) knowledge. 😆
The village idiot just keeps burnishing his credentials! 😆
stoning to death by christianity, as spelled out in the bible
That is what intelligent people call ‘The Old Testament’, and existed before Christ, you moron.
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”
-John 8:7
Come on Chris! Show us your vast knowledge! 😆
Do I need to repeat that you were wrong, again? Yep!
Chris the village idiot spews:
“Islamic Law”…Nobody fears it. It doesn’t actually exist
Why do you feel it necessary to keep proving that you are an idiot? We know already! 😆
To Arabic-speaking people, sharia (/????ri???/;[1] also shari’a, shar??ah; Arabic: ?????? šar??ah, IPA: [?a?ri??a], “legislation”) means the moral code and religious law of a prophetic religion.[2][3][4] The term “sharia” has been largely identified with Islam in English usage.[5]
Sharia (Islamic law) deals with several topics including: crime, politics, and economics, as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, hygiene, diet, prayer, everyday etiquette and fasting..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia
Find somebody else who does not yet know you are a fool, and enlighten them for a change. 😆
All this gun talk….must be why you live in fear.
As I posted this on another thread which strangely has had no rebuttal whatsoever I may as well overpost it here too, to remind you……Nuclear power, which you support, screws the taxpayer. You claim that a slight overpsnd of a few £’s per MWh to generate wind kills people thorugh fuel poverty….what does the 10’s of £’s do – nothing at all ?
The maths we get at school, your schools and ours, covers this…
> > > > >
Nuclear costs more over it’s lifetime than it can ever make from selling it’s electricty.
In the UK we were ahead of the game on nuclear. We didn’t know what to do with the waste (in truth nobody definitely does) and we use a site called Sellafield for reprocessing, and for temporary waste storage.
In the short term, the cost to decommission our existing nuclear power stations comes to about £80billion
The cost to decommission Sellafield ( essential , according to their website) is a further £80billion
These costs would not be an issue, if it were not for the fact that end of life nuclear power stations are simply handed over from the profit making privately owned operators to the publicly owned/government run NDA http://www.nda.gov.uk/
So this burdens the public with a bill of $160 billion, which rises year on year.
How much electricity has been generated by nuclear in the UK ? Lets call it 8GW continuous, although in the past it was less.
Lets say the nuclear plants have run for 30 years at 8GW (generous estimate)
– That’s 262800 hours at 8000MW = 2102400000 MWh
How much has the electricity sold for ? Today it sells about £55 per MWh, and in the past it was much less. Lets say all of the past electricity sold at today’s prices, this means nuclear has sold 2102400000 x £55 = £115632000000
ROUGHLY= £116 billion
So the electricity which the public have already paid to use, sold on the market for a very generous rough amount of £116 billion. The operators may have made 30% profit, most likely they made less, so the private companies which operated the nuclear stations made £36 billion
The cost to decommission will cost the public at least 5 times that figure of £36billion (which the public havent benefitted from) to decommission…and there is no avoiding decommissioning
Or to put it another way
Cost to decommission = £160 billion (and rising)
Amount of electricity produced = 2102400000 MWh
Therefore the cost of decommisioning adds £76 per MWh to the cost of production….except that the people producing it never have to pay it, because the taxpayer must
The situation is not much better anywhere in the world…and the electricity business is not obliged to pay this additional cost…in fact how could they possibly afford to pay it when they only make (generous estimate) 30%….hell, they couldn’t even pay even if they made 100% profit
Obviously the crime here, in case your moral compass needs a nudge, is that big business escapes it responsibility to clean up after itself. The public does that for them without a choice
http://newsthump.com/2015/03/25/fracking-industry-demands-cute-little-girl-with-pigtails-as-regulator/
Chris thinks Jesus parted the Red Sea, and that Islamic Law is a myth, so amusing to see him post a satire site as fact.
The village idiot just keeps burnishing his credentials! 😆
stoning to death by christianity, as spelled out in the bible
That is what intelligent people call ‘The Old Testament’, and existed before Christ, you moron.
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”
-John 8:7
Come on Chris! Show us your vast knowledge! 😆
Do I need to repeat that you were wrong, again? Yep!
Chris the village idiot spews:
“Islamic Law”…Nobody fears it. It doesn’t actually exist
Why do you feel it necessary to keep proving that you are an idiot? We know already! 😆
To Arabic-speaking people, sharia (/????ri???/;[1] also shari’a, shar??ah; Arabic: ?????? šar??ah, IPA: [?a?ri??a], “legislation”) means the moral code and religious law of a prophetic religion.[2][3][4] The term “sharia” has been largely identified with Islam in English usage.[5]
Sharia (Islamic law) deals with several topics including: crime, politics, and economics, as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, hygiene, diet, prayer, everyday etiquette and fasting..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia
Find somebody else who does not yet know you are a fool, and enlighten them for a change. 😆
Gator reckons catholicism and creationist theory is a good substitute for science.
I care about the same about who parted the red sea as i do about the storyline in a Die Hard movie…IE neither really happened.
Now stop perving over these ladies http://s710.photobucket.com/user/gator69/profile/
What dumbass! That is not my profile dipshit! 😆
I don’t even use Photobucket, but feel free to continue making an ass of yourself, you are sooo very good at it. 😆
And when have we ever discussed creationism? Hmmmm?
This is Dumb Dumb’s attempt to recover from his ignorant and provably false statements…
The village idiot just keeps burnishing his credentials, and isn’t bright enough to slink off! 😆
stoning to death by christianity, as spelled out in the bible
That is what intelligent people call ‘The Old Testament’, and existed before Christ, you moron.
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”
-John 8:7
Come on Chris! Show us your vast knowledge! 😆
Do I need to repeat that you were wrong, again? Yep!
Chris the village idiot spews:
“Islamic Law”…Nobody fears it. It doesn’t actually exist
Why do you feel it necessary to keep proving that you are an idiot? We know already! 😆
To Arabic-speaking people, sharia (/????ri???/;[1] also shari’a, shar??ah; Arabic: ?????? šar??ah, IPA: [?a?ri??a], “legislation”) means the moral code and religious law of a prophetic religion.[2][3][4] The term “sharia” has been largely identified with Islam in English usage.[5]
Sharia (Islamic law) deals with several topics including: crime, politics, and economics, as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, hygiene, diet, prayer, everyday etiquette and fasting..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia
Find somebody else who does not yet know you are a fool, and enlighten them for a change. 😆
My knowledge of the bible can be measured by how much of the bible I need to know….
Easter shock as Jesus accused of bereavement leave scam
http://newsthump.com/2013/03/28/easter-shock-as-jesus-accused-of-bereavement-leave-scam/
Christians beginning to wonder if Jesus has stood them up
http://newsthump.com/2012/09/19/christians-beginning-to-wonder-if-jesus-has-stood-them-up/
Jesus just isn’t come back Gator……forget jesus and live your own life
Yes, stupid people are often filled with hate, lies, and bigotry.
Thanks for the additional ammo Dumb Dumb! 😆
The village idiot just keeps burnishing his credentials! 😆
stoning to death by christianity, as spelled out in the bible
That is what intelligent people call ‘The Old Testament’, and existed before Christ, you moron.
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”
-John 8:7
Come on Chris! Show us your vast knowledge! 😆
Do I need to repeat that you were wrong, again? Yep!
Chris the village idiot spews:
“Islamic Law”…Nobody fears it. It doesn’t actually exist
Why do you feel it necessary to keep proving that you are an idiot? We know already! 😆
To Arabic-speaking people, sharia (/????ri???/;[1] also shari’a, shar??ah; Arabic: ?????? šar??ah, IPA: [?a?ri??a], “legislation”) means the moral code and religious law of a prophetic religion.[2][3][4] The term “sharia” has been largely identified with Islam in English usage.[5]
Sharia (Islamic law) deals with several topics including: crime, politics, and economics, as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, hygiene, diet, prayer, everyday etiquette and fasting..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia
Find somebody else who does not yet know you are a fool, and enlighten them for a change. 😆
“What dumbass! That is not my profile dipshit! ”
Totally unimportant.
Remember the profiles you thought were mine…and I laughed at you…and now you’re only just catching up…..
Yes Dumb Dumb, we know that you do not consider your ignorance or lies important. Otherwise you would try and be a better human being.
The village idiot just keeps burnishing his credentials! 😆
stoning to death by christianity, as spelled out in the bible
That is what intelligent people call ‘The Old Testament’, and existed before Christ, you moron.
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”
-John 8:7
Come on Chris! Show us your vast knowledge! 😆
Do I need to repeat that you were wrong, again? Yep!
Chris the village idiot spews:
“Islamic Law”…Nobody fears it. It doesn’t actually exist
Why do you feel it necessary to keep proving that you are an idiot? We know already! 😆
To Arabic-speaking people, sharia (/????ri???/;[1] also shari’a, shar??ah; Arabic: ?????? šar??ah, IPA: [?a?ri??a], “legislation”) means the moral code and religious law of a prophetic religion.[2][3][4] The term “sharia” has been largely identified with Islam in English usage.[5]
Sharia (Islamic law) deals with several topics including: crime, politics, and economics, as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, hygiene, diet, prayer, everyday etiquette and fasting..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia
Find somebody else who does not yet know you are a fool, and enlighten them for a change. 😆
You can keep the battle of words and claim victory if it helps you but…you STILL cannot win the battle of maths and have to accept that nuclear costs ordinary taxpayers far too much.
Intelligent folks have seen your stupidity. Care to continue burnishing your bigoted village idiot credentials.
As your court appointed attorney, I suggest you stop now. 😆