The Global Warming Scam Goes Super Cold Today

We have been hearing non-stop propaganda about the super-hot Arctic melting down, and how it is President Trump’s fault.

As with almost everything else you read in the press, it is fake news. Arctic sea ice extent is about the same as 2006 and 2016.

Charctic Interactive Sea Ice Graph | Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis

Polar temperatures have plummeted, and are the coldest in several years.

Ocean and Ice Services | Danmarks Meteorologiske Institut

ESRL : PSD : PSD Map Room: Weather Plots

Greenland has gained record amounts of ice this winter.

Greenland Ice Sheet Surface Mass Budget: DMI

And the scam ends today!

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404 Responses to The Global Warming Scam Goes Super Cold Today

  1. Griff says:

    The temp anomaly chart shows a fall in the last week, sure.

    But the point is it should have been following the nice yellow line all winter – and it has to date been consistently far above the mean.

    The whole winter has so far seen massively warm anomalies in temp.

    and it is only now that foer a few days wind blown ice has allowed 2017 to cross the next lowest extent on record.

    What you are really saying is ‘still at second lowest on record, massively lower than 1979, with thinner, younger ice and less icve volume (do print a volume chrt or the PIOMAS!)

    This is simply desperate.

    • AndyG55 says:

      The whole of Russia has had a massive COLD anomaly,

      You are really simple, griff. You obviously have no comprehension of the Jet Stream WEATHER event, do you.

      IGNORNACE is inbuilt with you, isn’t it.

      And the FACT that you care more about a tiny deviation in sea ice than you do about people actually DYING because of the MASSIVE COLD ANOMALY over Russia. https://www.rt.com/news/russia-freeze-cold-temperature-379/

      And yes it has been desperate in northern Russia

      BUT YOU DON’T GIVE A STUFF .. its only humans, not sea ice.!!

      You really are a disgusting low-life piece of fungus ridden human toe-nail clipping,, aren’t you griff.

      • toorightmate says:

        C’mon Andy.
        Tell us how you REALLY feel about Griff.

        • Colorado Wellington says:

          I’m starting to get the impression Andy’s developing a bit of dislike towards the lady …

          • AndyG55 says:

            Hey, it come here PURELY as an attention seeking troll, wanting a response from someone, anyone, in its lonely desperate life.

            Who am I to deny it the love that it misses in the rest of its pitiful existence.

          • Gail Combs says:

            SNIFFFfffffff….

          • griff says:

            I do worry he is getting a bit het up: this is only a discussion on the internet after all. I do think his incivility is out of order in a discussion of science, but then it is, as I say, the internet.

          • griff says:

            Andy I have a different interpretation of the science to you (and to this website).

            I feel that the truth about this aspect of science/climate is important and should be discussed, which means challenging the assertions people make about it.

          • AndyG55 says:

            No griff, you are TOTALLY IGNORANT of science..

            Not a matter of interpretation.

            If you feel that the truth is important, maybe you should start to accept it, and look deeper and past the propaganda pap you have been fed.

            But you are INCAPABLE of doing that, aren’t you griff… your problem to solve, not ours.

            As it is, with your base-level scientific ignorance, you are just making a monumental FOOL of yourself.

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            Ms Griff, if you have something to say about science it is about time to do so instead of your mindless comments.

      • Steve Bannon says:

        I’m sure looking forward to the open season on extinctionists like yourself.

      • Gail Combs says:

        No Griffy,
        You are not interested in discussing science, you are only interested in protecting a dis-information campaign designed to enslave or kill people.

        You completely ignore ANY AND ALL Quaternary Science showing NOTHING unusual is happening and the ONLY real climate change possible is a descent into glaciation.

        • Robert Austin says:

          Yes. Griff focuses exclusively on Arctic ice from 1979 onward. Griff has blinders on so that he/she/it does not have to address the satellite record prior to 1979 as shown in the FAR IPCC report. And even Walt Meier of NASA, formerly of the NSIDC, acknowledges that there has been considerably less Arctic sea ice than present at times during the Holocene. But anything detracting one iota from the message of climate doom is terra incognito for Griff.

    • gator69 says:

      But the point is it should have been following the nice yellow line all winter…

      Why should it do that Ms Griff? Do you not understand what that “nice yellow line” is? Obviously you do not.

      So why do you want to starve millions, over something you obviously do not get?

      • oeman50 says:

        I am confused. All of the temps are below the line at 273 K and yet the sea ice is melting. How does that work, again?

      • griff says:

        If it isn’t deviating from the mean, it ought to be tracking the mean. Perhaps following was the wrong word.

        If things aren’t changing, then they may vary, but they will still be found close to the mean.

        Instead what we have seen is high temp anomalies since.. about December 2015…

        • AndyG55 says:

          You are right , its got a LONG way to drop before it get anywhere near the pre-LIA mean.

          Or are you going to continue to be a Climate Change Denier ???

        • Gail Combs says:

          “If it isn’t deviating from the mean, it ought to be tracking the mean.” — WHY?

          The earth’s climate is NOT linear can’t you get that through your thick skull.

          Even the IPCC admitted the earth’s climate is NOT linear.

          …in climate research and modeling we should recognise that we are dealing with a complex non linear chaotic signature and therefore that long-term prediction of future climatic states is not possible

          IPCC 2001 section 4.2.2.2 page 774

          As Dr Brown, physicist @ Duke University said
          “The Earth’s climate is manifestly, empirically bistable, with a warm phase and cold phase, and the cold phase is both more likely and more stable.”

          …..Let me [Dr Brown] also comment on the connection between HK dynamics and statistics and chaos. Complex nonlinear multivariate systems often exhibit “strange attractors” — local fixed points in a set of coupled nonlinear ordinary differential equations — that function as foci for Poincare cycles in the multivariate phase space. In classical deterministic chaos, a system will often end up in a complex orbit around multiple attractors, one that essentially never repeats (and the attractors themselves may migrate around as this is going on). In a system such as the climate, we can never include enough variables to describe the actual system on all relevant length scales (e.g. the butterfly effect — MICROSCOPIC perturbations grow exponentially in time to drive the system to completely different states over macroscopic time) so the best that we can often do is model it as a complex nonlinear set of ordinary differential equations with stochastic noise terms — a generalized Langevin equation or generalized Master equation, as it were — and average behaviors over what one hopes is a spanning set of butterfly-wing perturbations to assess whether or not the resulting system trajectories fill the available phase space uniformly or perhaps are restricted or constrained in some way. We might physically expect this to happen if the system has strong nonlinear negative feedback terms that stabilize it around some particular (family of) attractors. Or, we might find that the system is in or near a “critical” regime where large fluctuations are possible and literally anything can happen, and then change without warning to anything else, with very little pattern in what happens or how long it lasts…..

          The present continent configuration, with the closing of the Isthmus of Panama and the opening of Drake Passage had a major impact on the Earth’s climate causing the present Ice Age and the earth is now in an ice age, (just the brief warm spike.) You can see in this graph of the last five million years the switches from one ‘Strange Attractor’ to another.

          • Jason Calley says:

            Hey Gail, I just had to put in a “thank you” for reposting some of Dr. Brown’s comments. It is always a pleasure to read his insightful and clearly expressed thoughts. I am especially impressed with his (in my opinion) wonderful understanding of the chaotic nature of the planetary climate system. He nails it!

        • Gail Combs says:

          If you look at the Wisconsin glaciation, between the last interglacial and this one you can also see these “abrupt swings” called Dansgaard–Oeschger events in this graph.

          Both of these graphs support the idea of the climate as a “Complex nonlinear multivariate systems… exhibit[ing] “strange attractors” and not some simplistic never changing ‘Garden of Eden’

        • gator69 says:

          Do you mean the meaningless mean Ms Griff? So why are you mean to poor brown people?

    • Scott Scarborough says:

      It’s a green line. Or am I the one who is color blind.

    • RAH says:

      LOL! Have you even looked to see what the temps were? Here is a bit of common sense for you Griff. The red line never has gotten close to going over the straight blue line which denotes the freezing point of water. Significant ice loss during the winter months at the poles does not occur due to air temperatures. It took relatively little energy to make that red line jump as it has during the cold months. To put the red line over the top of the blue line takes a massive amount of energy. Energy like oh, say, the ice and water being exposed to sunshine 24/7 as it is during the summer months at the poles.

      • c3033 says:

        I love how the arctic is “melting”. At -180 C, ice is only 1.8% more dense than ice at 0 c. According to the graph, the heatwave temps are currently averaging what -18 C (-1 F) vs -28 C (-18 F). So basically the “warm” spell being experienced this winter means nothing other than the basis for #fakenews headlines.

      • griff says:

        The temps at the pole in winter are going to be low/sub zero generally… but if they are not as low, if they in fact cross above zero, then that is still a change in temps, an anomaly.

        In the past we have not seen this…

    • Jl says:

      “Arctic melting”. So in other words, it’s not global, as in global warming. Still shoots the theory down.

    • Gerald Machnee says:

      And when you start in 1979, a high point, instead of earlier when it was lower, you are indeed desperate.

    • R. Shearer says:

      The “yellow line” (actually I think it’s green) is a mental construct based on averaging. It is not reality.

      Let me explain in a way understandable perhaps by those of lesser intelligence/knowledge. The average of individual rolls of a six sided die computed over a large number of rolls should be close to 3.5. In reality, a roll of 3.5 is never observed. Roughly, half the time, rolls will be 1, 2 or 3 and half the time, 4, 5 or 6. A roll of 3.5 is never observed, even though that is what the average “should” be.

      One cannot say, oh the roll was larger than it should have been or it is lower than it should have been, but yet the less intelligent/ignorant/deceived will look at the temperature in the Arctic and say, “Look, the temperature is higher than is should be.” There is no should in weather data any more than a die should roll a 3.5.

      • Jason Calley says:

        Hey R Shearer! Nice analogy! If I may expand on it a bit more…

        Yes, as you say, the average roll will be 3.5 if we do a long enough series. But where does that 3.5 come from? It is based on the idea that all the possibilities from 1 to 6 are equally likely and that each roll is disconnected from the previous roll. It is possible to create a die that will NOT have equal chances for all numbers from 1 to 6, but will still have a long term average of 3.5. It is also possible to create a die such that each roll is influenced to some degree by previous rolls, but which still has that same 3.5 average.

        In the case of climate we know that there are some states which are more stable than others. The system has multiple pseudo-stable attractors, each of which the climate tends to dance around for varying periods of time. The most obvious somewhat stable states are the glacial and interstadial periods — but each of those broad states has successively finer gradations in shorter periods.

        The alarmists are like someone who observes the die roll two or three sixes in a row and exclaims that the die is loaded. Even in a fair die, that is too short a series to make a determination of loaded or not loaded — but when speaking of a die which we know has varying (and changing) probabilities for one through six, and which we know also has at least some correlation between each roll and the next, the series of two or three rolls is FAR too short, VERY FAR too short.

        We simply do not have enough information to make definitive statements about climate and causality. Considering the chaotic nature of the climate we are likely to NEVER have enough information for definitive statements. The best we can do at present is to look at the historical record (short as it is) and assume that future states of the climate will be similar to the various states which have been observed in the past. The alarmists are not even willing to do that much, to compare present observations with what we know from the past. We know that most of the Holocene has been warmer than at present, that summer sea ice has been missing from the Arctic in the relatively recent past without catastrophe. Current fluctuations in sea ice seem to be nothing out of the ordinary — so where is the catastrophe? The alarmists claim that the planet is in danger, but they won’t even examine the past before three or four decades ago.

        Madness!

        • Gail Combs says:

          Madness!…

          OR Psych-Ops:

          Psychological operations (psych-ops or psy-ops) refer to the planned use of psychological knowledge to influence the behavior of groups, organizations or populations. Although associated with guerilla warfare, rebellion and subversion; many marketing and political strategies include psych-ops techniques … including office politics and social engineering.

          “Persuasive efforts are labeled propaganda when someone judges that the action which is the goal of the persuasive effort will be advantageous to the persuader but not in the best interests of the persuadee” — — Roger Brown, Words and Things (1958)

          We KNOW that CAGW is Psych-Ops because they have told us it is. They even told us the goal. The elite have decided they want fewer serfs with MUCH less freedom and they see CAGW as the way to convince the serfs to accept their slave collars peacefully.

          “It is a campaign not for abundance but for austerity. It is a campaign not for more freedom but for less. Strangest of all, it is a campaign not just against other people, but against ourselves.” -George Monbiot, UK Ecojournalist

          More recently:

          At a news conference last week in Brussels, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of U.N.’s Framework Convention on Climate Change, admitted that the goal of environmental activists is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to destroy capitalism.

          “This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution,”

          she said.

          Investor’s Business Daily

          “We’ve got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy.” – Timothy Wirth, President of the UN Foundation

          “Giving society cheap, abundant energy would be the equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine gun.” —Dr. Paul Ehrlich, Anne Ehrlich, and Dr. John Holdren, Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment, 1970, p. 323

          “A massive campaign must be launched to de-develop the United States. De-development means bringing our economic system into line with the realities of ecology and the world resource situation.” —Dr. Paul Ehrlich, Anne Ehrlich, and Dr. John Holdren, Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment, 1970, p. 323

          Or as Ted Turner, founder of CNN and the UN Foundation bluntly put it during an interview with Audubon magazine.
          “A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.” – Source: The book You Don’t Say, by Fred Gielow, 1999, page 189.

          Changing the Global Warming Metaphor by PETER BELMONT

          …To make the problems as small as possible, we should reduce the size of mankind–reduce the global human population–by as much as we can, say to 50% of today’s population. Because the process of neutralizing GHGs is likely to require the use of natural lands–unbuilt and presently non-agricultural lands–to serve as “engines” for neutralization, through the growth of new forests for example. And at present. our over-the-top human population is carrying us in the other direction, the direction of clearing the Amazonian forests and other forests in the pursuit of land for cattle raising and building-products, and both of these and other similar reasons all arise from over-population.”

          Yeah, MADNESS, but ONLY if you are the target of the slavers.

          • annieoakley says:

            Why can’t we locate the UN in Liberia, Kenya or even South Africa? I am all for no UN as they are anti people, barring that, relocate the parasite.

          • Gail Combs says:

            North Korea or Iran

            Or better yet Antarctica!

            Antarctica is governed internationally through the Antarctic Treaty system. LINK So what better place to locate the UN?

          • FTOP_T says:

            Antarctica!!

            Brilliant. Can’t wait to see the globalists bellied up to the tiki bar in July with a REALLY frozen drink in their hands.

          • BruceC says:

            What a great idea Gail. We could house the UN in the old ‘dome’ at Amundsen/Scott South Pole Station …….. before it gets totally covered by melting ice ;)

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            I like the idea. Look at all the empty land around. They could expand the campus as much as they wanted. No more problems with illegal parking, expensive escorts and drunk driving arrests. They could bring in cheap foreign hookers without applying for visas and run snowmobiles from one party to another all night long.

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            Errata: all the empty land ice around

          • Jim Hunt says:

            It’s a little known fact in “skeptical” circles that I’m a faculty member at the University of Antarctica:

            http://www.antarcticaedu.com/

          • Gail Combs says:

            GOOD!
            Looks like we can PERMANENTLY locate Jimmy Boy to Antarctica TOO!

        • AndyG55 says:

          Careful Bruce, Jimbo will say that is wind-blown sand in the Sahara, because you didn’t give a link !! :-)

        • AndyG55 says:

          Poor Jimbo, his fantasy world is in collapse.

          Question for Jimbo, the Exeter Uni arse-licker..

          Even if the Arctic sea ice were to drop back a lot further than now, towards the pre-LIA norm, why is this a problem ?

          Another question for Jimbo, the troll with the massive yellow streak.

          Do you think it would be beneficial if Arctic sea lanes were actually open, instead of trapping ships in sea ice?

          Or would it be more beneficial if they were closed all year like back in the extremes of 1979. ?

    • Andy DC says:

      How much human suffering does mild weather at the pole cause? Apparently very little. Especially when you take multiple record crops in the US corn belt into account. Along with lack of major hurricanes in the US for over 10 years, four straight subnormal tornado seasons, decline in severe US summer heatwaves, the current near record low percentage of US land area now sustaining drought, above normal Northern Hemisphere snowcover, etc., etc.

      Sounds more like the Garden of Eden to me. Instead of whining, bitching and moaning about the climate, you should be counting our blessings.

      Also, instead of counting our blessings about our abundant and inexpensive energy resources and our ever increasing ability to make it cleaner with time, you want to curse the world with expensive, unreliable energy and its accompanying poverty and misery. Based on a highly dubious notion that through world communism and draconian regulation, humanity somehow has the magical capacity to make the weather better 50 or 100 years in the future. As they say, if it ain’t broke, don’t try to fix it.

    • Stewart Pid says:

      Griff = Chicken Little … no matter what happens the sky is always falling in Griffs obsessive-compulsive alarmist world.

    • Sunsettommy says:

      You are now into hyperbolic level lying,Griff.

      Give it up.

    • Stephen Brown says:

      Only warming shown in any graph is from adjusted temp data. Real and observed temp increased since around 1900 is less than 1 deg C.

  2. AndyG55 says:

    People talking and going to the CPAC meeting

    BE CAREFUL

    There are GANGS of mask wearing green/far-left mercenary democrat THUGS trying to shut down rational arguments.

    • Frank K. says:

      If I were attending a meeting like that, I would participate under the assumption that ** everything ** I was doing or saying was being recorded by George Soros-paid trolls (or the MSM, which are basically the same thing), so as to try to embarrass me at a later date.

    • R. Shearer says:

      Actually I think they are “yellow” not green in reality.

  3. CheshireRed says:

    Knock em out.

  4. Norilsk says:

    Note that village idiots graduate from the University of East Anglia– the home of global warming in the UK.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF-CkMpQtlY

  5. NavarreAggie says:

    The other issue with trying to compare the red trend to the the green average is that in areas (like the Arctic) with relatively low humidity, small energy balance fluctuations can cause large changes in observed temperatures. There simply isn’t enough water vapor in the air to stabilize the air temperature near the green line due to a very low specific heat capacity of dry air. I would bet that if one plotted the variance range along with the green temperature average, one would find that the red lines are well within normal variations experienced throughout the temperature record.

  6. Denny says:

    First, my apologies to “Griff”. Since my grandfather, born 1890, had the nickname Griff, I automatically thought of his old, grizzled face and assumed this “Griff” had the same. Well, I guess not.

    But to my point. Natural Variability is the skeptic’s friend. It only takes a little research to see it lurks everywhere. That always should have been the default position. If the IPCC had spent as much time seeking out natural variability as they did in justifying their AGW theory, history would have taken a different turn. Once the Arctic begins its reversion to mean journey, the warmists will be left with nothing but egg on their face. I hope to still be around to ask them “Is that scrambled or over easy?”

    • Robertv says:

      Other example how ‘green’ energy makes life of the poor even more miserable. Which means the poor need more help from the government which means higher taxes which means more poor people etc..
      Mankind only advanced because it was able to bring the cost of energy down and the availability up.

    • Robertv says:

      It is all about wealth distribution. From We The people to people like Al Gore or Soros.

      • Gail Combs says:

        It is not just about wealth redistribution from the poor to the rich, that is bad enough. Instead it is about complete control of the economy and complete destruction and enslavement of the middle class so NO ONE has a chance at challenging the entrenched ‘aristocracy’

        The bourgeoisie [middle class], wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his ‘natural superiors,’ and has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, callous ‘cash payment.’ It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervor, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom—Free Trade. In one word, for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation.”
        ― Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto

        Marx shows in this quote the enemy is NOT the Rich Aristocracy, the ‘natural superiors’ of the worker-serfs, but the middle class who are upsetting the motley feudal ties that bound man to his ‘natural superiors.’

        That is why Marx attacks property ownership. Because if you can not OWN property you ARE property. ONLY the ability to own property allows you freedom from the motley feudal ties that bound man to his ‘natural superiors.’

        We are seeing this in the USA. First by the consolidation of work options by the Trans-national corporations and now IF you do not conform to globalist thought you lose your job as Tony and Dr Gray and Dr Ball and Dr Happer have experienced.

        • annieoakley says:

          Exactly! I am a nobody who refused to conform to globalist thought and was offended by being required to support “Sustainability” and Al Gore’s stupid movie. Cost me my job too.

          • Gail Combs says:

            Even small (and large) business owners are not immune to ‘Group Think’

            #grabyourwallet | Boycott These Companies
            https://grabyourwallet.org/

            Of course that works both ways though the Surly Curmudgeons are not as likely to ‘be organized’ by ‘community organizers’ (Commies) as the Leftist Lemmings are.

  7. GW says:

    Did anyone posting see the talk by Steve Milloy and James delingpole ? I only learned of it this afternoon.

  8. Nicholas Schroeder says:

    To be 33C or not to be 33C

    There is a popular fantasy that the earth is 33C warmer with an atmosphere than without due to the radiative greenhouse effect, RGHE.

    Let’s start at the very beginning, a very good place to start – so I hear.

    The 33C difference is between an alleged average surface temperature of 288K/15C and 255K/-18C, the alleged surface temperature without an atmosphere. Let’s take a closer look.

    Per IPCC AR5 glossary the average land surface temperature is measured 1.5 meters above the ground, but 80% of the land doesn’t even have reliable weather instrumentation or data. The average sea surface temperature is a combination of buckets and thermometers, engine cooling intakes, buoys, satellites, etc. This “global” surface average temperature, one number to rule them all, must represent: both lit side and dark sides, both poles, oceans, desert, jungles and a wide range of both land and sea surfaces. The uncertainty band must be YUGE!

    The 255K is a theoretical calculation using the S-B ideal BB temperature associated with the 240 W/m^2 radiative balance at the top of the – wait for it – atmosphere, i.e. 100 km.

    So, the 33C difference is between a) an average surface temperature composed of thousands of WAGs that must be +/- entire degrees and b) a theoretical temperature calculation 100 km away that cannot even be measured and c) all with an intact and fully functioning atmosphere.

    The surface of the earth is warm because the atmosphere provides an insulating blanket, a thermal resistance, no different from the insulation in the ceiling and walls of a house with the temperature differential determined per the equation Q = U * A * dT, simple to verify and demonstrate.

    A voltage difference is needed for current to flow through an electrical resistance.

    A pressure difference is needed for fluid to flow through a physical resistance.

    A temperature difference is needed for energy to flow, i.e. heat, through a thermal resistance.

    RGHE upwelling/downwelling/”back” radiation is a fictional anti-thermodynamic non-explanation for the “33C without an atmosphere” phenomenon that doesn’t exist.

    • John Niclasen says:

      “A pressure difference is needed for fluid to flow through a physical resistance.

      A temperature difference is needed for energy to flow, i.e. heat, through a thermal resistance.”

      Are you sure, when a gravitational field is present?

    • griff says:

      But plainly it would not be this warm without this atmosphere.

      • John Niclasen says:

        Without the atmosphere, the Earth would have surface temperatures like on the Earth’s moon, so a lot warmer doing the day, and a lot colder doing the night.

        It is up to 390 K (+117 C) and down to 95 K (-178 C) near the equator on the Moon.

        http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/factsheet/moonfact.html

      • AndyG55 says:

        No, the pressure temperature gradient allows the Earth to retain some heat in the atmosphere..

        Governed only by that gradient.

        In the satellite record, the only warming has come form El Nino effects.

        There is NO CO2 warming signal in the whole of the satellite record,

        There is NO Co2 warming signature is the constant sea level trend.

        There is NO CO2 warming signal ANYWHERE.

        It just isn’t happening.

        Even your beloved Arctic, which you care more about than you do about people freezing to death in Russia, shows no warming this century before the El Nino

        • Jim Hunt says:

          Gotta link to the source of that data Andy?

          • AndyG55 says:

            It say what the source is, you moronic prat, UAH (v6)!!

            Go and find it yourself, check the data for yourself

            Oh wait.. that would require you to actually have the ability to do so.

            Not going to happen is it, Jimbo.

            Maybe a call to Phil Jones will help you. he’s meant to be an great Excel user..

          • Jim Hunt says:

            Andy – According to http://www.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/docs/readme.msu:

            Sectional definitions for uahncdc.XX files

            Global -85 to +85 latitude
            Hemispheric 0 to +/- 85 latitude
            Extratropics +/- 20 to +/- 85 latitude
            Polar +/- 60 to +/- 85 latitude

            That’s a very big “North Pole hole”. At the risk of repeating myself:

            “Gotta link to the source of [your UAH6 North Pole] data Andy?”

          • BruceC says:

            And you state you are faculty member at a University! ROFLMFAO!!!!

            Here Jim Bob, let me help you, go to this site;

            http://www.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/v6.0/tlt/uahncdc_lt_6.0.txt

            Now scroll down to the bottom of the page. With me so far Jimbo, not going too quick for you am I?

            At the bottom of the page, it states;

            GL 90S-90N, NH 0-90N, SH 90S-0, TRPCS 20S-20N
            NoExt 20N-90N, SoExt 90S-20S, NoPol 60N-90N, SoPol 90S-60S

            Got that!

          • AndyG55 says:

            Jimbo caught out being just plain WRONG, yet again.

            Can’t take a trick, can you Jimbo..

            Maybe try another street corner… near Exeter Uni.
            ——————————————

            Question 1 for Jimbo, the cowardly ignorant worm.

            Even if the Arctic sea ice were to drop back a lot further than now, towards the pre-LIA norm, why is this a problem ?

            Question 2 for Jimbo, the troll with the massive yellow streak.

            Do you think it would be beneficial if Arctic sea lanes were actually open, instead of trapping ships in sea ice?
            …. Or would it be more beneficial if they were closed all year like back in the extremes of 1979. ?

            Keep running and hiding, little worm.

          • AndyG55 says:

            Furthermore, the area above 85ºN is only 2.8% of the total area above 60ºN.

            Only a mathematically illiterate moron like Jimbo would think that 2.8% is going to affect the ZERO TREND.

            No doubt about you Jimbo, you desperately need those Exeter boyfriends to help you all the time, to stop you making more and more idiotic comments..

            You should never be left to fend for yourself. !!

      • AndyG55 says:

        There are papers out there that show that the gravity/thermal effect calculated very closely for all planets with an atmosphere.

        There is no room for the MYTH of CO2 warming in an open convective atmosphere.

        • FTOP_T says:

          Correct. The graphs from Robinson & Catling clearly demonstrate it is atmospheric mass and not composition driving the surface temperature.

          Venus and Earth show the exact same temperature profile at similar pressures when adjusted for distance from the sun.

      • SxyxS says:

        Griff,
        you still don’t/won’t understand.

        You can not create energy out of nothing,therefore
        the overall average temperature would be pretty much the same.
        Without Atmosphere=The incoming sun rays will hit the planet with full impact,because there are no atoms/molecules/air to “slow” them down.
        It would get much much hotter during the daytime and supercold at night because there are no atoms/molecules/air to slow down the exodus of this electromagnetic rays to space.

        With atmosphere sunrays are slowed down and weakend
        (and reflected by greenhouse gases called clouds) when entering earth and also when leaving earth.

        Greenhouse gases are balancing /harmonising the temperature extremes.
        Instead of eg. +150 degress at day and -150 degrees at night we get +10 degrees at day and – 10 degrees at night.

        I still don’t get why people like you don’t start to ask themselves how such a ridicoulously low number
        of 1/10000 man made co2 in our atmosphere can have such a huge impact on climate.(1/10000 is such a small trap that it can not have such a devastating impact as it can only trap a little bit more-that’s it.
        And that’s the reason why alarmists has failed so many so miserably in predicting climate )
        Especially as you live on a planet which is covered so much
        with open uncontrolable much much stronger greenhouse gases(steam) that this planet is therefore called blue planet.
        The fact that you are not afraid of the gaswater is simple-
        they never told you to be afraid of.

        And if you think:
        “It is impossible that so many scientists can be liars”

        Well,other very well educated smart college guys have proven time and time again that they collectivly lie as a group.
        Our MSM journalists-
        no matter which lie wall street/goverment has told to push the usa to war they parrot and repeat it.

  9. Jim Hunt says:

    At the risk of (repeating myself)^n, what about Arctic sea ice volume Tony?

    • Gerald Machnee says:

      How did they measure it?

    • AndyG55 says:

      At the risk of (repeating myself ) ^n²

      Isn’t it great to see the Arctic recovering just a small amount to the more sensible levels of sea ice that were the norm before the LIA.

      Or are you going to continue to be WILFULLY IGNORANT of Arctic history before 1979/

      Are you going to continue being Climate Change Denier #1.

      Certainly looks like your DECEITFUL LIES and WILFUL IGNORANCE are going to continue, doesn’t it Jimbo.

      • richard verney says:

        Andy

        You should have a look at the link that I have posted below. It is an interesting plot dealing with sea ice extent from 1925 onwards.

        You might also like to look at MASIE which shows that the area of ice as from 2006 has been reasonably stable. MASIE is considered more accurate but unfortunately it only goes back to 2006.

        • AndyG55 says:

          That is an interesting plot, Seen it before

          But it is giving annual mean Arctic ocean sea ice.

          I would love to know what regions it actually covers.

          Any ideas?

        • Jim Hunt says:

          Richard – MASIE is not “considered more accurate”. Quite the contrary in actual fact:

          http://GreatWhiteCon.info/2016/02/dmi-masie-and-the-sea-ice-index-an-interview-with-walt-meier/

          See also:

          • AndyG55 says:

            A nice fabrication , Jimbo

            LIES and FABRICATION and DENIAL of Arctic history is all you have

            And here is a question I BET you will avoid…

            Why is the current NATURAL recovery of Arctic sea ice a slight way towards pre-LIA norms any sort of an issue?

            Waiting and watching you squirm your way out of answering that.. you are nothing but a tapeworm in a sewer.

          • AndyG55 says:

            Still waiting for Jimbo the clown to tell the TRUH about the Arctic.. JUST ONCE

            Come on Jimbo , have the GUTS to say that Arctic sea ice levels were much lower than the first 3/4 of the Holocene, in fact often zero summer sea ice..

            Waiting for Jimbo to get some small amount of courage..

            But that will never happen will it Jimbo.

            You have proven time and time again, that you are NOTHING but a COWARDLY LIAR.

            Here, you go, I will tell a truth.

            “Current levels are somewhat lower than the extreme highs of the late 1970’s” TRUTH…

            YOUR TURN…

            … time to overcome your cowardice, Jimbo.

          • RAH says:

            MASIE says things are far more stable than you anomaly chart indicates.

          • gator69 says:

            Using “anomalies” to study an insignificant blip of time on Earth, and using this incredibly small set of numbers to understand an almost incomprehensible reality, is simply nonsense.

            a·nom·a·ly əˈnäməlē/ noun
            1. -something that deviates from what is standard, normal, or expected.

            1- There is no such thing as “normal” in climate or weather.

            2- What exactly am I supposed to expect in the future, based upon the range of possibilities we see in the geologic record? Are the changes we see happening “extreme” in any way?

            3- No.

            So CAGW is murdering for an agenda.

      • griff says:

        Recovering?

        I suggest you look at the February extent for 1979 versus February 2016 and 2017

        • ClimateOtter says:

          Oh, you mean when ice was ‘at a record high’? What does ‘record high’ mean, griff? And how many polar bears were there during that record high? And for that matter, if it was a ‘record high’ WHAT was it recovering from, and how low was it before that ‘record high’?

          Can you answer ANY of those questions?

        • AndyG55 says:

          No griff, the record high was during the LIA.. mind you 1979 wasn’t much behind it, an extreme high level, that is for sure.

          Before the coldest period in 10,000 year the norm was a lot, lot lower than it is now.

          Unfortunately, the RECOVERY toward the Holocene norm from the extreme highs of the LIA and the late 1970’s seems to have stalled, levelled out.

          The massive benefits of reduced Arctic sea ice are huge for all those that live up in that region, but it just isn’t happening. :-(

          Current levels are WAY HIGHER than the Holocene optimum….

          … Or are you going to continue DENYING natural climate change ??

    • TimboA says:

      Ummm…..he’s a little busy putting a nail in your coffin…..you know, as in having a real job….that kind of stuff that you wouldn’t understand. I’m sure your scam was quite lucrative while it lasted…

      • Jim Hunt says:

        In actual fact Tony’s busy searching for more some juicy Arctic cherries to pick.

        • AndyG55 says:

          Only person picking Arctic cherries is you , slimo.

          A small AMO based drop since the extremes of 1979.

          Totally ignoring the FACT that current levels are way above pre-LIA levels, because the global temperature is only a small amount above that coldest PERIOD IN 10,000 years.

          Why do you continue to DENY NATURAL CLIMATE CHANGE Jimbo.??

          Is it that you are way tooooo cowardly to admit the facts??

          Would your boyfriends at Exeter Uni get upset if you ever told the full truth ??

        • griff says:

          Really Andy, is this sort of homophobic language the currency of civil debate?

          The decline in arctic sea ice since 1979 is undoubtedly influenced by the AMO, but the AMO is insufficient on its own to produce the level of decline seen since 1979.

          There are several good papers on this if you google for them…

          • Gail Combs says:

            WHAT civil debate?

            This is the result of the Left’s idea of ‘Debate’ and ‘Protest’

          • AndyG55 says:

            You can on debate civilly with someone who is not a rampant liar and denies every big of real fact put in front of them.

            Do you deny that Jimbo has boyfriends at Exeter Uni??

            The AMO is well able to produce a small decline form an extreme nearly equal to that of the LIA.
            Or are you going to continue to DENY climate change history.

            I’m guessing you will, because that DENIAL is the only thing holding the AGW scam together in your feeble little mind.

            There are MANY good papers showing that the first 3/4 of the Holocene had summer sea ice levels of basically zero, but you continue to ignore every one of them.

            You are nothing but a LYING HYPOCRITE.. and I suspect you know that.

          • gator69 says:

            Why not debate these folks?

          • griff says:

            Andy, I am well aware of the papers you mention…

            and they are not relevant to the present circumstances, because the cause of low sea ice levels at that point was unique to that time and is not influencing things now.

          • griff says:

            “Do you deny that Jimbo has boyfriends at Exeter Uni??”

            I have no idea… what would it matter if he had?

          • AndyG55 says:

            BS.. you have never shown any awareness of anything griff.

            … you just keep rolling those LIES of your fingertips, don’t you little fungus-ridden toe-nail cutting.

            Exeter Uni is one of the biggest climate trough swilling centres on the whole planet.

            They will do anything, tell any lie, make up any story, just to keep that swill coming.

            You don’t really think the sewer con site is just Jimbo’s work do you..

            How naïve of you.

        • TimboA says:

          The scammer’s back…..when you respond to every little whiff of criticism on a website not your own shows how fragile a little snowflake you are and how inconsequential yours is. Projecting on Tony merely weakens your lame arguments….hope that helps!

          • griff says:

            Is this a site about climate change? Or not?

            so people interested in climate change should come here, shouldn’t they?

          • AndyG55 says:

            You are NOT interested in climate change, you are interested in trying to support the unsupportable AGW scam.

            You categorically DENY anything before 1979.

            New paper out

            ““In a new study, recently recovered Russian observations show an increase in sea ice from 1950 to 1975 as large as the subsequent decrease in sea ice observed from 1975 to 2005””

            Supports the DOE graph.

            The link to the AMO is very strong..

            Many papers show Arctic was often summer ice free during the first 3/4 of the Holocene

            You DENY these fact, REFUSE t admit to them and REFUSE to put the current drop into a historical perspective

            Why do you DENY this Climate Change history.. because you know that it makes the current AGW scam look like a nothing more than natural cycle variability.

            You are NOT here with an interest in climate change..

            You are here PURELY as a very low level AGW shill.

        • BruceC says:

          Like one of these cherry’s Jim Bob?

        • BruceC says:

          BTW Jim Bob, that is the port of Pevek taken in January of this year. The port name should be familiar, as it’s where the 3 stranded ships are currently getting their power supply from.

        • BruceC says:

          Some really big cherries to pick here Jim Bob.

        • RAH says:

          “Jim Hunt says:
          February 24, 2017 at 8:20 am
          In actual fact Tony’s busy searching for more some juicy Arctic cherries to pick.”

          No! In actual fact Tony is busy at C-Pac addressing a crowd larger and far more informed than you could ever hope to. I suspect that before too long Tony will once again end up testifying before a Congressional committee or subcommittee presenting the evidence he has worked long and hard to develop to uncover the fraud.

          Have you ever testified before Congress or some National government body in any country Jim?

          • Latitude says:

            Jim stayed at a Holiday Inn Express

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            After check-in he rushed to connect to the hotel’s wi-fi and typed “Do I need to say more?” under the first post he saw on Tony’s blog to get someone—anyone!—visit his white con blog.

  10. richard verney says:

    Arctic history prior to 1979:

    https://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Screen-Shot-2017-02-14-at-6.12.59-AM-down.gif

    Note that in 1959/60 the summer sea ice extent was about 5.7 million sq. Km, ie., very similar to the area seen in the period 2012 to 2015.

    Even just looking at the recent past, there is nothing unusual happening today, and if you look at MASIE data there has been little change since 2006 (when MASIE started).

    • Gail Combs says:

      Here is the image:
      Arctic Sea Ice 1920 to 1975

      • richard verney says:

        Gail
        Thanks for sorting out the image.

        You will note that both BruceC and myself have commented below on a recent study that was based upon observations by Russian Scientists and which concludes that the loss of sea ice was ongoing before 1950 and that there was a gain in sea ice between 1950 to 1975 and subsequent there was a loss of sea ice between 1975 to 2005.

        Materially, the conclusion is that the loss of sea ice between 1975 to 2005 was about the same as the gain in sea ice extent between 1950 to 1975 such that in 2005 the ice extent was similar to that observed in 1950.

      • Gail Combs says:

        Richard,
        I though the impact of your comment would be better if the image was included. So I was glad to help.

        I am a visual sort of person and much prefer graphs to written text.

      • griff says:

        This oft posted graph is useless… it does not continue beyond 1975 on the same basis, nor does it define the ‘arctic ocean’.

        • BruceC says:

          Take note folks. Griff is now saying a 1985 study by the United States Department of Energy is crap.

          • Gail Combs says:

            Actually what Griffy is saying is she can not read a GRAPH.

            Note to Griffy – The Axis are labelled so you CAN make comparisons to other graphs.

      • AndyG55 says:

        new paper out…

        ““In a new study, recently recovered Russian observations show an increase in sea ice from 1950 to 1975 as large as the subsequent decrease in sea ice observed from 1975 to 2005””

        Obviously AMO cycle related…

        History and REAL data continue to totally DESTROY the AGW scam…..

        …. that is why the scammers and shills like Jimbo and griff HAVE TO DENY climate history.

    • griff says:

      This links to the detailed historical research on past arctic sea ice… it is a comprehensive set of information
      https://www.carbonbrief.org/guest-post-piecing-together-arctic-sea-ice-history-1850

      The article on this research states:

      “Most fundamentally of all, the new dataset allows us to answer the three questions we posed at the beginning of this article.

      First, there is no point in the past 150 years where sea ice extent is as small as it has been in recent years. Second, the rate of sea ice retreat in recent years is also unprecedented in the historical record. And, third, the natural fluctuations in sea ice over multiple decades are generally smaller than the year-to-year variability.”

      • BruceC says:

        Griff, have a look at the below photo. It was taken on the 17th March 1959 …. AT THE NORTH POLE! Take note of the ice ‘thickness’!

        • Jim Hunt says:

          Bruce – Any chance you can stop posting pictures without links to your sources?

          Otherwise folks might get the impression that you’re spouting balderdash the whole time!

          • BruceC says:

            Jim, any chance you can start doing your own research? Takes less than 2 minutes on google.

          • BruceC says:

            Besides Jim Bob, what difference would it make if I supplied links to the articles? Both you and griff would go into full denial and say it’s ‘balderdash’ (your words).

          • RAH says:

            All you have to do is look at the number on the sub and punch in “US Submarine 578” and you would find it is the USS Skate with it’s complete history. You would have also found out that prior to the 1959 visit the sub was the first to surface at the North Pole August 11th, 1958 and the picture would show that it surfaced in clear water. Thus a good visiual of how variable Ice coverage at the Artic can be at different times.
            https://www.navalhistory.org/2011/08/11/uss-skate-ssn-578-becomes-the-first-submarine-to-surface-at-the-north-pole

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            Hey RAH,

            Admiral Hunt has a point. I know from the past that people posted the Archimedes’ principle formula here without links to their sources. How was the Admiral supposed to know if it was right?

          • Gail Combs says:

            Yet the Christmas Turkey visits the Antarctic at the height of Summer (Dec, 2013) and manages to get not only HIS ship stuck in ice but TWO Ice breakers could not make it through the SUMMER sea ice….
            The Aurora Australis abandoned rescue of the trapped Russian “research”vessel in the Antarctica and a second ship, the Chinese ship “Snow Dragon” has gave up on rescue too. They finally used a helicopter.
            >>>>>>>>>>

            And in July 22, 2015

            “According to a Coast Guard officer, the icy conditions “are the “worst he’s seen in 20 years“
            CCGS Amudsen was rerouted to Hudson Bay to help with heavy Ice. Arctic expedition to study global warming put on hold because of too much ice.

            “A carefully planned, 115-day scientific expedition on board the floating research vessel, the CCGS Amundsen, has been derailed as the icebreaker was called to help resupply ships navigate heavy ice in Hudson Bay.
            “Obviously it has a large impact on us,” says Martin Fortier, executive director of ArcticNet, which coordinates research on the vessel. “It’s a frustrating situation.”
            During the summer, the Amundsen operates as a floating research centre with experiments running 24 hours a day. This year it was scheduled to reach North Baffin Bay.
            But the icebreaker has been rerouted to escort commercial ships en route to resupply communities in Northern Quebec on the eastern side of Hudson Bay.
            Johnny Leclair, assistant commissioner for the Coast Guard, said Tuesday conditions in the area are the worst he’s seen in 20 years.
            http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/ccgs-amundsen-re-routed-to-hudson-bay-to-help-with-heavy-ice-1.3162900?cmp=rss

            WHY with news like that you would think the earth was COOLING!

          • Jim Hunt says:

            RAH – I’m well aware of what that picture shows. See for example:

            http://GreatWhiteCon.info/tag/uss-skate/

            You seem to have missed my point entirely?

          • AndyG55 says:

            Only point you are making is that you desperately want people to visit you in your sewer of a web site.

            Poor lonely, pathetic Jimbo.

          • RAH says:

            Jim Hunt
            I already learned all I need to know about you and THAT’s the real point! I’ve been reading this blog and commenting here now for well over three years and figured your agenda out your line of BS long ago. When the ice extent at the Arctic pole expands again you’ll be nowhere around here to be found.

            Not that I’m wishing for that because I believe a warmer world is a better world. Our limited knowledge of from where we human animals evolved from indicates that we emerged and primarily evolved in a warmer climate. Our history clearly indicates we as a species have thrived and developed best in warmer climates. Our planet is greening and our agricultural yields increasing yearly because of the increased CO2. Nothing! Not a single predicted catastrophe due to warming is occurring or even appearing to begin.

            The reality is this politically created bugaboo is distracting attention from and robbing resources from so many real problems that people like you who promote it are either criminals or epically foolish IMO.

          • Gail Combs says:

            RAH,
            Jimmy Boy ONLY appears when the arctic is discussed and never when anything else is discussed.

            Actually I am surprised he is on this article. It indicates just how worried the Globalist Elite are becoming as their scam loses supporters by the truck load.

            That Jimmy Boy is a typical human hating Progressive is pretty much a given by now. He has had too much information tossed at him and LIED too often to be anything else.

          • RAH says:

            CW

            I guess I just get very very tired of the BS sometimes. Been watching some of the MSM “coverage” and “commentary” of CPAC and it’s got my dander up a bit. They treat the whole thing just like they have climate change. Lies, lies by omission, lies by headlines, lies by commentators, lies by any means possible based on earlier lies. Sometimes it becomes impossible to laugh it off.

            At times like this I sometimes begin to think it’s time to pick up the black rifle and pistol and go to war. I’m very tired of the left relying on their oppositions civility and desire to abide by the law to get away with their own incivility and lawlessness.

            The 4th Circuit just this week ruled 10 to 4 that Maryland’s Assault Weapons ban is Constitutional by making up law in direct contravention to the SCOTUS Heller case.
            http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/joannaallhands/2017/02/22/circuit-court-assault-weapons-ban/98256154/

            The Justices, just like those of the 9th recently, did not even attempt to follow or consider established law but just made up their own new “law” based in contravention of any legal president to arrive at the decision that agreed with their own political/social opinions. That isn’t law. It’s despotism and I’m just plain fed up with it.

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            I believe many of them have been able to get away with it for so long they no longer understand the real world around them. It would not be the first time or last time in history.

          • Gail Combs says:

            RAH,
            That is the whole idea.

            The left has completely abandoned Rule of Law and the Constitution. They are doing their damnedest to push us into rebellion/Constitutional Crisis and I am sure that the United Nations/EU/Canada is hovering, ready to jump in to take care of the ‘crisis’ and implement THEIR new Constitution.

            Soros is really really good at toppling governments.

          • Latitude says:

            Kate – “These aren’t “protests” — this is the left advancing its political agenda through the threat of mob violence, and governments have been far too slow to react. But then again — as key actors in government and media view these mobs as ideological fellow travellers (they share the same donors) they’ve been content to stand down, and allow the intimidation tactics work to their perceived political advantage.”

          • Gail Combs says:

            William R. Russell… was in Russia soon after the Bolsheviks seized power and spent considerable time there, working on Creel propaganda against the Germans, for the Bolsheviks, and later against the Bolsheviks. Russell described how he saw the communist tradecraft:

            The way they worked their way to the seizure of power was as follows: Talk about peace, talk about social equality, especially among those most oppressed. Talk about organization of labor, and penetrate into every labor union. Talk on soapboxes. Publish pamphlets and papers. Orate and harangue. Play on envy. Arouse jealousy. Separate class from class. Try to break down the democratic processes from within. Accustom the people to picketing, strikes, mass meetings. Constantly attack the leaders in every way possible so that the people will lose confidence. Then in time of national peril, during a war, on the occasion of a great disaster, or of a general strike, walk into the capital and seize the power. A well-organized minority can work wonders.

            Willing Accomplices: How KGB Covert Influence Agents Created Political Correctness and Destroyed America by Kent Clizbe

            Unfortunately it was American dollars and the US Federal Reserve behind the Bolsheviks. In 1913 the European bankers saddled Americans with the Federal Reserve then took our gold and gave it to Trotsky so he could foment the Russian revolution a few years later. The purpose of that revolution was to overthrow the new government that was patterning itself after the US government which tells you just how much the elite hate our form of government.

            Congressman McFadden on the Federal Reserve Corporation Remarks in Congress, 1934 just prior to his assassination

            …Some people who think that the Federal Reserve Banks United States Government institutions. They are private monopolies which prey upon the people of these United States for the benefit of themselves…

            “These twelve private credit monopolies were deceitfully and disloyally foisted upon this Country by the bankers who came here from Europe and repaid us our hospitality by undermining our American institutions. Those bankers took money out of this Country to finance Japan in a war against Russia. They created a reign of terror in Russia with our money in order to help that war along. They instigated the separate peace between Germany and Russia, and thus drove a wedge between the allies in World War. They financed Trotsky’s passage from New York to Russia so that he might assist in the destruction of the Russian Empire. They fomented and instigated the Russian Revolution, and placed a large fund of American dollars at Trotsky’s disposal in one of their branch banks in Sweden so that through him Russian homes might be thoroughly broken up and Russian children flung far and wide from their natural protectors. They have since begun breaking up of American homes and the dispersal of American children.

          • RAH says:

            Gail Combs says:
            February 24, 2017 at 10:42 pm
            RAH,
            That is the whole idea.
            The left has completely abandoned Rule of Law and the Constitution. They are doing their damnedest to push us into rebellion/Constitutional Crisis and I am sure that the United Nations/EU/Canada is hovering, ready to jump in to take care of the ‘crisis’ and implement THEIR new Constitution.
            Soros is really really good at toppling governments.
            ———————————————–
            Soros has not come up against a people like us who will protect their law and form of government and are armed and ready to do so if need be. That is why the left has tried so desperately to disarm the people.

          • RAH says:

            The kind of POTUS Trump is:
            http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/24/trump-took-future-green-berets-oval-office/

            BTW that is a stock photo because the article states it was officers that were there but the pic shows troops with SF crests on their flashes and not officer rank, meaning they are enlisted. Flash colors denote Group or other unit assignments such as command, psyops, or training/school units. Of those shown, Green is 10th SFG(A), Black is 5th SFG(A), Red is 7th SFG(A), and Yellow is 1st SFG(A). The only AD group not represented in the photo is the 3rd SFG(A).

            Noticed today while in the Grocery store a History Channel mag that was about Special Ops. Flipping through it I noticed it was all about Navy Seals and not a mention of any other Special Ops units. Not surprised and in fact satisfied I put it back in the rack. That’s the way we want it.

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            No, he has not. Hungary just “liberalized” their gun ownership laws.

            Hungary to have looser gun control laws

            By Adrienn Sain | May 13, 2016

            The workers of the organizations that belong to the Ministry of Interior might have an easier access to self-defense guns, magyaridok.hu writes.

            According to a new law, employees could keep their guns, even if they are not on duty; this would apply to employees of the police force, the National Protective Service (NVSz), and the Constitution Protection Office (AH).

            Magyaridok.hu is referring to a letter signed by State Secretary for Law Enforcement László Tasnádi, which says that the Ministry is currently trying to estimate whether workers would like to have access to self-defense guns off duty. Heads of the organizations are asked to take sides and name those who should have access to their weapons off duty. Suggestions were expected to be made until May 11. So far, the Ministry of Interior did not support any laws that advocated looser self-defense gun laws; Tasnádi also mentioned this in his letter, saying that the initial aim was to extend the use of service guns off duty.

            The Secretary of State also emphasized that the matter needs thorough investigation and the number of people who have access to self-defense guns off duty should be kept as low as possible.

            This may not be the best time to promote looser gun control laws, as it was only three months ago, in February 2016, that a policewoman in District XVIII. killed her child and then committed suicide, using her service gun.

            http://dailynewshungary.com/hungary-to-have-looser-gun-control-laws

            Things are easier where Soros comes from.

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            No, he has not refers to RAH’s previous post on Soros.

          • Gail Combs says:

            A.F. Branco has an appropriate cartoon…

        • Gail Combs says:

          So the USS Skate surfaces at the North Pole on the 17th March 1959 when the sea ice should have been INCREASING in thickness. And finds the ice less than two feet thick unlike today.

          • Jim Hunt says:

            Gail (and Bruce, and Andy, and RAH),

            How much sunlight do you suppose impinges upon the North Pole on March 17th, in 1959 or any other year?

            Here’s a clue for you:

          • Gail Combs says:

            You did not READ Jimmy Boy…

            CRAMER D BACQUE —

            ONE OF THE IMPORTANT EQUIPMENTS INSTALLED ON SKATE FOR THE WINTER TRIP TO THE ARCTIC WAS A HIGH DEF LOW LIGHT LEVEL TV, I KNOW AS I INSTALLED AND OPERATED THE SET FOR THE ENTIRE TRIP. I WAS A BENDIX FIELD ENGINEER. THE TV ENABLED THE CAPTAIN TO VIEW THE ICE AND SAIL WHEN SURFACING>THE INFORMATION FROM THE NEL ICE MACHINE PLUS THE TV PROVIDED A CONFIDENCE FACTOR WHEN SMASHING THROUGH THE ICE.

            MORE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv9NxOrKDow

          • RAH says:

            So? We all know that the insolation would be much less in March as compared to August. What’s your point? Fact is that submarines choose where they will surface and if they can find open water in the area they wish to do so they will surface there. They will also surface through the thinnest ice they can find if there isn’t open water.

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            Meet Admiral Hunt, an accomplished sidestep dancer …

      • BruceC says:

        BTW Griff, the ice that has currently grounded the 3 vessels in Chaunskaya Bay (which Jimbo says is ‘balderdash’) is currently around 2.5-3.0m thick!

      • Gator says:

        Ms Griff hates poor brown people, and thinks the Earth is only 150 years old.

    • Gail Combs says:

      First Trump DOES NOT have his cabinet picks confirmed yet so he can not afford to turn off too many Senators at this point. Given a Republican Senate and House this is clear evidence of the ‘Uni-party’ working against the will of the American people. No other president has had to wait this long for confirmation of his cabinet. Citigroup Chose Obama’s 2008 Cabinet** which were then rapidly confirmed.

      Second Trump is aware that he has TRAITORS leaking his every move and is trying to smoke them out.

      WSJ noted the “move is the latest sign of influence Mr. Trump’s daughter and Mr. Kushner have in a White House that has seen internal divisions on a variety of issues, including foreign policy.”

      The Wall Street Gerbil is owned by Aussie Murdoch and Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal. So WSJ is not exactly America friendly.

      Rupert Murdoch is co-chair of one of the most powerful immigration lobbying firms in country, the open borders group, the Partnership for a New American Economy. Murdoch has also stated: “We need to do away with the cap on H-1B visas, which is arbitrary and results in U.S. companies struggling to find the high-skill workers they need to continue growing. “

      AND who owns City Group??? Why the SAME Saudi Prince! One of the largest shareholders in Citigroup… He also owns large chunks of eBay, Twitter, Apple and Disney.
      http://stepfeed.com/8-companies-you-didn-t-know-prince-alwaleed-bin-talal-invested-in-6595

      Amazing how the same names keep showing up over and over….

      • Pops says:

        Trump promised to dump the Paris agreement. He has his EPA pick in place, and that is who he should be taking advice from – not his unelected daughter. If Trump goes wobbly on this, he will lose support.

        • Pops says:

          How can one person (his daughter) be allowed to trash such a popular campaign promise? Get her out of the White House; she clearly has too much influence over Trump.

        • Gail Combs says:

          Pops,
          I did not make myself clear.

          To put it bluntly the Wall Street Journal is THE ENEMY. WHAT actual facts do you have that anything the WSJ said was true? We already know the US MSM deliberately practices Psych-Ops. This is why Trump constantly calls the media out on their FAKE NEWS.

          Trump is going up against the entrenched Globalists. The ONLY support he has is, we,the American Voters so the Globalists will do ANYTHING and I do mean ANYTHING to shake our support for Trump. And once they have done that they WILL take him out.

          There are trillions of dollars at stake. Trillions. Those who hold power will never relinquish power; a simple and timeless truth. The current attacks…

          The idea is to divide and conquer. Peck away at ANYTHING that can peal away some of Trump’s supporters.

          AND YOU ARE HELPING THEM!

          “Anyone that is willing to stand next to me and fight the progressive left, I will be in that bunker. And if you’re Not in that bunker because you’re not satisfied with this candidate, more than shame on you — You’re on the other side!” — Andrew Breitbart

        • Colorado Wellington says:

          “How can one person … be allowed …”

          Well, that’s actually not a bad question but in a much broader sense than you asked it. It was not supposed to be that way, not as originally written in the Constitution. What business does the federal government have in pretending to manage global climate? And what about Congress, is there not more than one person of influence?

          Somehow in history, in the end it always comes down to the Good King’s evil advisors. If the Good King just knew what the people wanted …

        • Gail Combs says:

          Seems one of the leakers has now been caught.
          REPORT: White House Deputy Chief of Staff and #NeverTrumper Source of LEAKS

          GotNews reported Sunday that one of the primary sources of the series of leaks that were designed to undermine the Trump Administration and his presidency have been coming from none other than #NeverTrumper Kate Walsh. She is being investigated as one of the primary persons of interest that have been distributing highly confidential information to sources such as The (Failing) New York Times, and others.
          When TGP reached out to GotNews founder, Charles Johnson, for comment on the story he said that it was “100% reliable, I’m unwilling to reveal the primary White House sources, but Walsh was behind the leaks.”…

          There’s also reportedly a trove of e-mails where Katie Walsh and Reince Priebus discuss how to rid themselves of Trump, according to a former #NeverTrump consultant.

          “The president and his allies have been deliberately feeding her fake information in order to find her network,” says a source close to the president’s family. “It’s been going well.”…

          • RAH says:

            “The president and his allies have been deliberately feeding her fake information in order to find her network,” says a source close to the president’s family. “It’s been going well.”…

            What they could have done is feed essentially the same story to different people privately. But in each story there is a significant detail that differs. Thus when the story gets printed the specific detail gives away the source.

            In Tom Clancy novels they say the Ryan invented that technique and call it “the canary trap”. But in reality it is a technique that was used by the British to ferret out French spies during the Napoleonic wars and probably dates back further than that.

    • Gail Combs says:

      Pops,
      You might want to read this:
      http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/22/delingpole-nasa-lose-role-green-propagandist-shock/

      (Tony is mentioned and one of his graphs featured.)

  11. BruceC says:

    This doesn’t look good for Jim Bob and Griffy;

    Russian scientists say the air temperature in the Arctic may low not earlier than 2020. Over the past ten years, the Arctic area became warmer by an average of three degrees, expert of the Antarctic Research Institute Valery Karklin told TASS on Feb. 21.

    “Our forecast is that in the early 2020 the temperature in the Arctic will go lower and will continue getting lower to the 2030-2040s.,” he said. “Thus, ice in the Arctic seas will be bigger and the heavy ice conditions will get more often.”

    “In the recent ten years, due to the warming, the anomalous air temperatures int eh Arctic area (north of 70th latitude) were between 1.7-4 degrees, which means the Arctic area has become warmer by three degrees,” he said.

    The research institute’s studies show the warming is a part of the cyclic climate changes, with the period of about 60 years. Noteworthy, the warming is due to natural factors, not anthropogenic, the scientists said.

    “Various literature sources say the air temperature in the northern hemisphere since 1998 has stabilized and begins going down,” the expert said. “In the Arctic, this process has not begun yet.”

    http://rbth.com/news/2017/02/21/russian-scientists-forecast-lower-temperatures-in-arctic-after-2020-only_707011

    • gator69 says:

      The ignorant have always sacrificed humans over weather.

    • richard verney says:

      There is a post about this on Phys.Org. See:
      https://phys.org/news/2017-02-air-pollution-masked-mid-20th-century.html

      They note:

      Scientists have observed Arctic sea ice loss since the mid-1970s and some climate model simulations have shown the region was losing sea ice as far back as 1950. In a new study, recently recovered Russian observations show an increase in sea ice from 1950 to 1975 as large as the subsequent decrease in sea ice observed from 1975 to 2005.

      I have mentioned this a number of times that today’s sea ice extent is broadly similar to that seen in the 1940s/1950s. there is no reason to get unduly concerned.

      • griff says:

        And after 2005, especially from 2007, sea ice declined sharply again.

        Sea ice is now lower than it was at the low point of the last cycle, around 1943, by a considerable margin.

        • BruceC says:

          Yes griff.

        • AndyG55 says:

          NO . sea ice levels are now more than 2006

          You are LYING again , griff.

        • AndyG55 says:

          Average Arctic sea ice last 10 years

          You are LYING yet again, griff.

          Making up LIES as you go along.

          • Gail Combs says:

            What is more Arctic Sea Ice does not peak until sometime around the end of April beginning of May, so it has another couple of months to increase.

          • Jim Hunt says:

            Dear Andy,

            Arctic sea ice volume. Again.

          • Gator says:

            Dear Genocide Jim,

            another 21,000 humans needlessly starved to death, again yesterday.

            CAGWBS is responsible for more deaths than Pol Pot, Stalin, and Mao combined. And still counting corpses hourly.

          • AndyG55 says:

            Poor Jimbo, DENIER of climate change

            …. did you know there is a new paper out

            “In a new study, recently recovered Russian observations show an increase in sea ice from 1950 to 1975 as large as the subsequent decrease in sea ice observed from 1975 to 2005”

            Oh dear. seems the middle of last century was as low as now, but we already knew that from DOE data

            And I knew you would avoid answering a question I asked earlier, because you are a coward.

            Question for Jimbo the clown…

            Even if the Arctic sea ice does drop back a lot further towards the pre-LIA norm, why is this a problem ?

            We all know that for most of the first 3/4 of the Holocene Arctic sea ice levels were much lower than now.. so why is a RECOVERY to those levels a problem?

            so the DOE graph now substantiated by Russian data

            Arctic sea ice extent around 1950 were same as now..

            Your little CON is collapsing around your sewer, Jimbo

            The only way you can keep it alive in your own mind is by totally DENYING all Arctic sea ice history before 1979.

            You are undoubtedly CLIMATE CHANGE DENIER #1

          • Jim Hunt says:

            Need I say more?

          • AndyG55 says:

            Old news, Jimbo. Those fabrications have been proven wrong by recently found data.

            Recently found DOe and Russian data show a step climb from 1950 – mid 1970’s

            IGNORE the truth as usual, go with the fabrication.. Jimbo liar way.

            And what is that, another nameless un-cited graph, could be any sort of fabrication.. if you are posting it, you can BET its nothing but propaganda fabrication.

            And STILL you ignore simple questions.

            Question 1 for Jimbo, the Exeter Uni arse-licker..

            Even if the Arctic sea ice were to drop back a lot further than now, towards the pre-LIA norm, why is this a problem ?

            Question 2 for Jimbo, the troll with the massive yellow streak.

            Do you think it would be beneficial if Arctic sea lanes were actually open, instead of trapping ships in sea ice?

            Or would it be more beneficial if they were closed all year like back in the extremes of 1979. ?

            You have ignored Arctic climate history and DENIED facts for long enough.

            Time for you to admit the truth about Arctic climate history.

            But we all know you don’t have the COURAGE to go against the wishes of your Exeter Uni boyfriends, do you Jimbo

    • griff says:

      That seems at odds with his recent pronouncements:

      http://arctic.ru/climate/20170222/561878.html

      “The overall Arctic sea ice extent has shrunk by 40 percent in 10 years, TASS news agency cited Valery Karklin, leading researcher at the Arctic and Antarctic Research Institute (AARI), as saying.

      “On average, over the summer months (July, August and September) of 2005-2015, the total ice cover in the Arctic seas, including the Kara, Laptev, East Siberian and Chukchi seas, has declined by 40 percent or 547,000 square kilometers,” Karklin said. He added that the numbers for 2016 will be released later.

      He said ice conditions in the Arctic seas had formed over those years in the context of lasting climate warming. “Over the 10-year period, summer ice conditions throughout the Arctic seas that the Northern Sea Route crosses were mild. They were characterized by early ice melting, intensive sea ice clearing and reduced ice thickness,” Karklin explained.

      The researcher added that based on information from polar stations, throughout the winter period of 2005-2015 the thickness of fast (immovable) ice shrank by 10-40 centimeters to about 20 centimeters or 15 percent of the perennial norm.

      “In summer, the thickness of drifting ice in the Arctic seas declines by 120-140 centimeters due to the melting, as compared to the average longstanding norm of 80-100 centimeters. As we can see, the ice has got 40 centimeters thinner.”

      Note the ‘lasting climate warming’ bit.

      • BruceC says:

        So he has changed his mind within one day griff?

        Can you point to me where he states ‘global warming, climate change or CO2 is the cause’.

      • BruceC says:

        The research institute’s studies show the warming is a part of the cyclic climate changes, with the period of about 60 years. Noteworthy, the warming is due to natural factors, not anthropogenic

        Valery Karklin

      • BruceC says:

        What part of “Noteworthy, the warming is due to natural factors, not anthropogenic” do you not understand?

        • griff says:

          What part of ‘ in the context of lasting climate warming’ are you missing?

          • Gail Combs says:

            What part of “cyclic climate changes, with the period of about 60 years.” Are you missing???

            Or the WELL KNOWN 200 year cycle.
            NASA Finds Sun-Climate Connection in Old Nile Records

            Peer-reviewed PAPERS:
            Is solar variability reflected in the Nile River?

            The influence of the de Vries (∼ 200-year) solar cycle on climate variations: Results from the Central Asian Mountains and their global link

            Abstract
            …. The data were processed using spectral and wavelet analysis and filtered in the frequency range related to major solar activity periodicities. The results obtained for various tree-ring chronologies indicate palaeoclimatic oscillations in the range of the de Vries (∼ 210-year) solar cycles through the last millennium.

            The quasi-200-year variations revealed in the palaeoclimatic reconstructions correlate well (R2 = 0.58–0.94) with solar activity variations (Δ14C variations). The quasi-200-year climatic variations have also been detected in climate-linked processes in Asia, Europe, North and South America, Australia, and the Arctic and Antarctica. The results obtained point to a pronounced influence of solar activity on global climatic processes.

            Analysis has shown that climate response to the long-term global solar forcing has a regional character. An appreciable delay in the climate response to the solar signal can occur (up to 150 years). In addition, the sign of the climate response can differ from the solar signal sign. The climate response to long-term solar activity variations (from 10s to 1000s years) manifests itself in different climatic parameters, such as temperature, precipitation and atmospheric and oceanic circulation. The climate response to the de Vries cycle has been found to occur not only during the last millennia but also in earlier epochs, up to hundreds of millions years ago.

        • BruceC says:

          Coming out of the LIA, what would you expect ;)

          Go buy another box of crayons, looks like you need them.

  12. Steve Case says:

     
    Climate Change ‘Lunacy’ Called a Gift to Conservatives
    Joining Delingpole were Steve Milloy, a lawyer and author who founded the website JunkScience.com, and Tony Heller, who has written under the pseudonym Steven Goddard at the blog Real Science, which he founded. John Fund, a columnist for National Review, acted as moderator.

  13. Stewart Pid says:

    Griff is in denial that the climate can change naturally and not all climate variations are anthropogenic in nature. Griff has no knowledge of ice ages & continental glaciation. Griff also has trouble with the climate / weather thingy.

    • BruceC says:

      Don’t single out griff, Jim Hunt is the same – if not worse. No matter how many photos or links you produce, Jim will deny there is currently 3 vessels grounded in the Chaunskaya Bay (off the port of Pevek).

      These people live in a ‘fake world’. They have absolutely NFI about the ‘real world’.

      • Jim Hunt says:

        Gotta few links to your sources Bruce?

        Or not?

        • AndyG55 says:

          Links and pictures have been given

          But you just ignore that .. because you like being IGNORANT.

          It is you reason for existing, to see how moronically ignorant you can show yourself to be.

          • Jim Hunt says:

            I see numerous unsourced pictures from Bruce.

            From his Rosmorport link, in slightly stilted English:

            The Kapitan Dranitsyn icebreaker and the Sinegorsk and Iogann Makhmastal dry cargo ships will stay for the winter on Chukotka. The situation is not extraordinary.

            Q.E.D?

          • neal s says:

            But if there really were record low levels of arctic sea ice for this time of year, then why would these boats have to stay there for the winter? Maybe the levels of sea ice are not quite as low as some would have us to believe.

          • AndyG55 says:

            We see only unsourced links from you.

            Only link you seem able to post is to your sewer-type web site.

            That is NOT a source.

            It is a site run by the worlds №1 Climate Change Denier and con-artist… and is thus totally untrustworthy, being absolutely chock of bias and LIES of omission.

            FACT…. These vessels are STUCK , attached by umbilical cords…. Not going anywhere until the ice starts to thin later this year. May maybe.

            Be we all know your one trait is the DENIAL of facts.

          • Jim Hunt says:

            Andy,

            From Bruce’s Rosmorport link:

            As a rule, navigation in the seaport of Pevek finishes in November. But to make supplies of construction materials regular a decision has been taken to extend the navigation till January.

            Capiche?

          • AndyG55 says:

            Its now February

            So, they are stuck near Pevek until May.

            Thanks for the confirmation, little drone.

          • AndyG55 says:

            Jimbo, In case you missed the question above…

            Question for Jimbo the clown…

            Even if the Arctic sea ice were to drop back a lot further than now, towards the pre-LIA norm, why is this a problem ?

          • AndyG55 says:

            I can see ONLY HUGE BENEFITS coming from lower Arctic sea ice, especially for those living up in that region.

            Unfortunately , because of the extreme high levels at the AMO low point in the late 1970,
            we seem to have bottomed out way higher than the pre-LIA norm, and as the AMO starts to dip down again, we will unfortunately see an increase in Arctic sea ice.

          • BruceC says:

            Jim Bob conveniently left out these other facts stated in the Rosmorport statement – dated 24th January 2017;

            Due to the severe conditions in the Arctic region the Kapitan Dranitsyn icebreaker and the Sinegorsk and Iogann Makhmastal dry cargo ships will stay for the winter on Chukotka”

            and;

            “The FSUE “Rosmorport” icebreakers could pass the heavy ice on their own, but under such conditions the escort of two ballast vessels, the ice class of which corresponded to Arc 5, related to significant risks of serious damage to vessels and to health of crews and the environment.”

            and;

            The FSUE “Rosmorport” icebreakers’ attempts to map a route for unobstructed passage of the Iogann Makhmastal and the Sinegorsk in the heavy ice have failed. By assessing the situation objectively, a decision has been taken to place both dry cargo ships in direct proximity of the seaport of Pevek for the entire ice season before the start of summer/autumn arctic navigation, approximately till the end of May and the beginning of June 2017″

            Keep on denying the FACTS Jim Bob, Miriam O’Brien (aka Sou), must be so proud of you.

            Capiche?

          • Jim Hunt says:

            At the risk of repeating myself repeating Rosmorport Bruce:

            “As a rule, navigation in the seaport of Pevek finishes in November. The situation is not extraordinary.”

            Do you intend to keep on spouting balderdash ad infinitum?

          • BruceC says:

            And just like the ‘Xmas Turkey’ Antarctic expedition a couple of years ago, “they have become stuck in there own experiment”

            Love the way Mother Nature keeps on rubbing your faces in your own pooh. :)

          • BruceC says:

            Here’s another ‘food for thought’ Jim Bob. Up until a handful of years ago, an Arc5 class of cargo/cruise ship was the highest level. The Russians have now updated this list to Arc9 WHICH DOES NOT INCLUDE ICEBREAKERS!

            Now if the sea ice is thinning, as you tell us, why on earth have the Russian’s added 4 extra classes to their ice classifications? Also, why are the Russians spending millions on building bigger and more powerful nuke powered ice breakers? (they already have the biggest and most powerful ice breakers on the planet as it is!)

          • neal s says:

            Hey Bruce. Quit making so much sense. You know that destroys Jims suppositions, don’t you.

          • Jim Hunt says:

            Bruce – When you’re in a hole it’s generally recommended that you stop digging.

            Since you seem keen on reports in The Siberian Times, here’s a link of mine:

            http://siberiantimes.com/other/others/news/n0847-icebreakers-make-historic-arctic-voyage-then-get-stuck-in-frozen-sea-on-return-journey/

            Bulk carriers Sinegorsk and Johann Mahmastal made a successful midwinter cargo crossing from Arkhangelsk to Russia’s northernmost port of Pevek, Chukotka, escorted by icebreakers Kapitan Dranitsyn and Admiral Makarov.

            It was the first such crossing since Soviet times, and the ships delivered supplies for the world’s first floating heat and power plant to be assembled in Chukotka after a journey lasting from 14 December to 7 January.

            The ease of the sailing is seen as a sign that climate warming in the Arctic can open up shopping lanes even in midwinter.

            The emphasis is mine. The Northern Sea Route for dummies:

            1) As a rule, navigation in the seaport of Pevek finishes in November.

            2) The ships delivered supplies… on 7 January.

            Capiche?

          • BruceC says:

            And where are these ships NOW Jim Bob?

            I’ll tell you where, they are stuck in their own experiment!

          • BruceC says:

            BTW Jim Bob, that link of mine has been posted here several times by both me and AndyG ;)

            What was that you were saying about holes?

          • Jim Hunt says:

            Bruce – Are you hard of hearing?

            The ease of the sailing is seen as a sign that climate warming in the Arctic can open up shopping lanes even in midwinter.

          • BruceC says:

            Yep, certainly looks like The ease of the sailing is seen as a sign that climate warming in the Arctic can open up shopping lanes even in midwinter.

          • AndyG55 says:

            Jimbo, that “ease of sailing” thought-bubble has been proven stupidly WRONG

            They are STUCK…… capeeeeesh !!!

            End of story !!

          • BruceC says:

            According to Jim Bob, this is a “open shipping lane, even in midwinter!

          • BruceC says:

            Jim Bob, do you have a reading problem? Or do you suffer from dementia?

            By assessing the situation objectively, a decision has been taken to place both dry cargo ships in direct proximity of the seaport of Pevek for the entire ice season before the start of summer/autumn arctic navigation, approximately till the end of May and the beginning of June 2017″

          • Jim Hunt says:

            Bruce – Are you dumb as well as deaf?

            I was quoting The Siberian Times. This is from their February 10th article:

            The failure of the return voyage is not surprising given the time of year.

            Do you believe everything you read in The Siberian Times?

            Or not?

          • AndyG55 says:

            Wrong place first time…

            So Jimbo, you utter and complete MORON..

            Failure not surprising given the time of year

            They are STUCK in SEA ICE……. until May or June….

            admit it, or yet again PROVE you are an illiterate, non-comprehending IDIOT !!!

            CAPEEEEEEShhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!

          • Jim Hunt says:

            You’re obviously deaf, dumb and blind too Andy.

            Here’s what I said yesterday:

            https://realclimatescience.com/2017/02/the-global-warming-scam-goes-super-cold-today/#comment-42068

            I’m also well aware that for some strange reason at this time year Chaunskaya Bay does tend to be encrusted in sea ice!

            What’s your point?

          • AndyG55 says:

            3 vessels stuck near Pevek until May-June

            Facts were never you stroing suit were that Jimbo

            DENY, DENY, DENY

            Question 1 for Jimbo, the Exeter Uni arse-licker..

            Even if the Arctic sea ice were to drop back a lot further than now, towards the pre-LIA norm, why is this a problem ?

            Question 2 for Jimbo, the troll with the massive yellow streak.

            Do you think it would be beneficial if Arctic sea lanes were actually open, instead of trapping ships in sea ice?

            Or would it be more beneficial if they were closed all year like back in the extremes of 1979. ?

          • Jim Hunt says:

            Like I said Andy:

            What’s your point?

            That’s par for the course for bulk carriers, since the first 3/4 of Holocene of course!

          • AndyG55 says:

            Par for the course.. Ok , so no reduction in sea ice extent

            Ships stuck in sea ice that they hoped wasn’t there BUT IS.

            Gees its a pity that Arctic sea ice levels aren’t a LOT lower, isn’t it Jimbo

            The BENEFITS would be enormous, wouldn’t they Jimbo.

            Still SQIRMING and AVOID answering simple questions , hey Jimbo

            What a base-level COWARD you really are.

            Question 1 for Jimbo, the Exeter Uni arse-licker..

            Even if the Arctic sea ice were to drop back a lot further than now, towards the pre-LIA norm, why is this a problem ?

            Question 2 for Jimbo, the troll with the massive yellow streak.

            Do you think it would be beneficial if Arctic sea lanes were actually open, instead of trapping ships in sea ice?

            Or would it be more beneficial if they were closed all year like back in the extremes of 1979. ?

          • AndyG55 says:

            “since the first 3/4 of Holocene of course!”

            Yep the EXTREEM sea ice levels of the LIA and the late 1970’s have made it very difficult for commercial transport up there..

            wouldn’t you agree, Jimbo

            Or would you continue to runn away from answering that simple question.

            Everybody can see you dodging and squirming like a sewer eel..

            Question 1 for Jimbo, the Exeter Uni arse-licker..

            Even if the Arctic sea ice were to drop back a lot further than now, towards the pre-LIA norm, why is this a problem ?

            Question 2 for Jimbo, the troll with the massive yellow streak.

            Do you think it would be beneficial if Arctic sea lanes were actually open, instead of trapping ships in sea ice?

            Or would it be more beneficial if they were closed all year like back in the extremes of 1979. ?

            Come on Jimbo, you cowardly little worm.

          • Jim Hunt says:

            Unanswered questions for Andy et al.

            1) What was the population of homo sapiens sapiens in coastal cities during the first 3/4 of the Holocene?

            2) What was the maximum sea level during the first 3/4 of the Holocene, relative to the first years of the Anthropocene?

        • Gator says:

          Genocide Jim is more interested in circular arguments about meaningless ice than he is about fellow human suffering and death.

          What would Genocide Jim do if it was his family being starved to death by political activists?

          Would he choose ice over immediate family? Maybe, if it meant visitors to his pathetic genocidal website.

        • AndyG55 says:

          “Akademic Lomonosov floating nuclear power plant. ”

          Pity they didn’t have this technology for Fukishima. :-)

  14. Steve Case says:

    Here’s a YouTube of Tony’s CPAC presentation:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_PCSiKOS_s

  15. Jim Hunt says:

    For the astonishingly ignorant amongst you, here’s an actual photograph of Skate at the North Pole in March 1959. Note the use of flares for lighting. Feel free to Google it.

    • Gator says:

      So this justifies starving millions annually?

    • AndyG55 says:

      Love the way that one flare is lighting up everyone the same. even the guys at the back left.

      Guy under the 7 seems to be reading even though he is on the far side of the guy holding the flare.

      • Colorado Wellington says:

        Hey Andy, did you notice Hollywood production movies where an actor strikes a match and suddenly the whole room is well lit all the way to the far corners?

        That’s the world of Jim Hunt. All fake.

      • Steven Fraser says:

        It was not dark when the pic was taken, so the overall illumination is one of bright twilight. The person holiding the light source is conspicuoisly brighter, but that may not be a flare. It could be an electrically-triggered photographic flash. See the dark line going to the foot of that person? I think that is the flash control circuit.

        • Jim Hunt says:

          Steven,

          A quote from Commander James Francis Calvert for you:

          For illumination two sailors were holding railroad flares

          • AndyG55 says:

            Look at the shadows Jimbo.

            Use what little intelligence you have.

          • AndyG55 says:

            Poor Jimbo, can’t take a trick can, you little weasel.

            Its your own brain-washed ignorance that puts you always leaning over in front of the Exeter Uni boys.

            I hope they appreciate the ignorance you put forward on their behalf.

        • Gail Combs says:

          Of course it was not dark. The flare/flash was for a picture taken by another camera with different film/lens.

          — I have a Nikon lens that allowed me to take hand-held photos of the Sistine Chapel ceiling WITHOUT flash back in the mid 1970s. I had several people ask me about the lens and film. It was a Nikon f/1.2 and 400ASA film that could be ‘pushed’ to 800ASA. —

          A Tedious Explanation of the f/stop

          Photographers set their exposure using a combination of shutter speeds and f/stops to get the correct amount of light on the sensor (or film). The shutter speed regulates how long the sensor is exposed to light coming through the lens. The f/stop regulates how much light is allowed through the lens by varying the size of the hole the light comes through. For any given film speed (ISO) and lighting combination there is one correct amount of light to properly expose the image. This amount of light can be achieved with many different combinations of f/stops and shutter speeds.

          Back in the days of film, that was pretty much it for exposure because your ISO (and white balance too) was set by your film choice and you couldn’t vary it within the roll…..

          CRAMER D BACQUE • 5 years ago

          ONE OF THE IMPORTANT EQUIPMENT INSTALLED ON SKATE FOR THE WINTER TRIP TO THE ARCTIC WAS A HIGH DEF LOW LIGHT LEVEL TV. I KNOW AS I INSTALLED AND OPERATED THE SET FOR THE ENTIRE TRIP. I WAS A BENDIX FIELD ENGINEER. THE TV ENABLED THE CAPTAIN TO VIEW THE ICE AND SAIL WHEN SURFACING>
          THE INFORMATION FROM THE NEL ICE MACHINE PLUS THE TV PROVIDED A CONFIDENCE FACTOR WHEN SMASHING THROUGH THE ICE.

    • neal s says:

      So I guess that means that Jim admits that the submarine Skate, WAS there at that time and that the ice then WAS thin enough for them to surface.

      Amazing that the ice would be thin enough at the North Pole in March of 1959 for such ancient technology to manage to surface safely.

      Good going Jim. You have helped prove the point that you are reluctant to admit.

    • Latitude says:

      Jim, they used camera light meters to measure the thickness of the ice above them……
      For the astonishingly ignorant amongst you….you need light to do that

      • Latitude says:

        ..and they played a “around the world” softball game while they were there

        • Jim Hunt says:

          Latitude – So you maintain that Bruce’s 3:30 pm picture was taken at the North Pole on March 17th 1959, whereas my 7:20 pm picture was not?

          • Latitude says:

            no wonder you’re so F’ed up…

            They didn’t need flares to spread the ashes…
            …there was plenty of dawn light
            You do know why they were there right?

            Doesn’t matter what time of day or night it is…
            …the light stays the same
            For the astonishingly ignorant amongst you…………..this planet is round

          • Jim Hunt says:

            You haven’t answered my question Latitude.

            Please do so.

          • Latitude says:

            Because your question has nothing to do with anything I posted……moron

            Now try to focus….

            You posted > “Note the use of flares for lighting”

            ..and everything I posted had to do with lighting

            No wonder you’re so F’ed up……..

          • Latitude says:

            ..and what in hell does your “question” have to do with anything in the first place?

          • AndyG55 says:

            You haven’t answered my question either Jimbo.

            Question for Jimbo the sewer-clown…

            Even if the Arctic sea ice were to drop back a lot further than now, towards the pre-LIA norm, why is this a problem ?

          • AndyG55 says:

            Another question for Jimbo…

            Do you think it would be beneficial if Arctic sea lanes were actually open, instead of trapping ships in sea ice?

            Or would it be more beneficial if they were closed all year like back in the extremes of 1979. ?

            Come on Jimbo, have the GUTS to answer.

            I didn’t know trolls came with a bright yellow streak down their back. !!

          • Jim Hunt says:

            Latitude – So you still maintain that Bruce’s 3:30 pm picture was taken at the North Pole on March 17th 1959?

          • AndyG55 says:

            Still SQIRMING and AVOID answering simple questions , hey Jimbo

            What a base-level COWARD you really are.

            Question 1 for Jimbo, the Exeter Uni arse-licker..

            Even if the Arctic sea ice were to drop back a lot further than now, towards the pre-LIA norm, why is this a problem ?

            Question 2 for Jimbo, the troll with the massive yellow streak.

            Do you think it would be beneficial if Arctic sea lanes were actually open, instead of trapping ships in sea ice?

            Or would it be more beneficial if they were closed all year like back in the extremes of 1979. ?

          • Latitude says:

            ok Jim…no one is that stupid to make up a question that has nothing to do with what I said.
            …and then totally ignore what was said

            You’re gaming….that’s trolling

          • BruceC says:

            They didn’t do it just once Jimbo, but they done it nine times.

            Rising vertically, Skate slammed into the ice and smashed its way through – the first submarine to ever accomplish this.  Then, for good measure, the crew, along with a small team of civilian scientists, did it nine more times before returning home.

          • BruceC says:

            Sorry, that should be TEN TIMES!

        • AndyG55 says:

          Come on you squirmly little COWARD

          Question 1 for Jimbo, the Exeter Uni arse-licker..

          Even if the Arctic sea ice were to drop back a lot further than now, towards the pre-LIA norm, why is this a problem ?

          Question 2 for Jimbo, the troll with the massive yellow streak.

          Do you think it would be beneficial if Arctic sea lanes were actually open, instead of trapping ships in sea ice?

          Or would it be more beneficial if they were closed all year like back in the extremes of 1979. ?

    • Latitude says:

      “Note the use of flares for lighting. Feel free to Google it.”

      The Skate surfaced on March 17..
      Dawn at the North Pole starts the first of March, with actual sun rise on March 21.

      For the astonishingly ignorant amongst you…………..

  16. Andy says:

    214 comments must be a record.

    Well done Tony ! People talking about the ice I’m all for, even if I disagree from time to time.

    Andy

    • AndyG55 says:

      Can’t talk about the slightly slow formation of sea ice this year, without talking about flip-side of the Jet Stream WEATHER event, can we.

      (much as Jimbo and griff would like to ignore the extra deaths from cold but panic about a minor temporary drop in Arctic sea ice that if anything , would be BENEFICIAL)

      The horrendous cold that was locked over northern Russia is that flip side, causing deaths and hardship.

      Do you condone the AGW worriers being IGNORANT of this… ?

      Do you condone them IGNORING all past history of Arctic sea ice, like the lows in the 1950s and the much lower, often zero summer extent in the first 3/4 of the Holocene.

      Are you going to put a claim in as a Climate Change DENIER , like Jimbo and griff ?

      • Griff says:

        I am still puzzled that you believe to comment on arctic sea ice you have to assume a moral responsibility for people dying in cold weather…

        This emotional hype has nothing to do with the facts… the observed facts about the state of the ice.

        Even the 1940s were not this low. The first half of the holocene is utterly irrelevant.

        • Latitude says:

          ” The first half of the holocene is utterly irrelevant.”

          Not really…

          Temp history shows tics going up and down…
          We could just be in a up tic…and has nothing to do with CO2

          • Gail Combs says:

            You do not understand Bro,
            ” The first half of the holocene is utterly irrelevant.” BECAUSE the goal is the enslavement of the entire world by the globalist elite.

            >>>>>>>>>>>>>
            “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” ~ H. L. Mencken
            >>>>>>>>>>>>>

            One of the elite, French socialist and former WTO Director-General Pascal Lamy, even stated such.

            After the Soviet Union Hobgoblin collapsed the Elite were desperate for another Hobgoblin

            …The reality is that, so far, we have largely failed to articulate a clear and compelling vision of why a new global order matters — and where the world should be headed. Half a century ago, those who designed the post-war system — the United Nations, the Bretton Woods system, the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT) — …All, including the defeated powers, agreed that the road to peace lay with building a new international order — and an approach to international relations that questioned the Westphalian, sacrosanct principle of sovereigntySOURCE

            “approach to international relations that questioned the Westphalian, sacrosanct principle of sovereignty” is in plain language, nations are sovereign and NOT vassal states of the United Nations.

            The UK for example IS a vassal state of the EU. “Thanks to the primacy of EU law over national law. Thanks to the work of the European Court of Justice in ensuring enforcement and respect for the rule of law. And thanks to a clear articulation between the Commission, the Parliament, and the European Court of Justice.” — Pascal Lamy (He should know as he was high up in the EU before moving to the WTO.)

            Lamy took ‘Practical Politics’ the next step, by telling us what the “new enemy to unite us” is that is needed to create Legitimacy, one of the“three legs” needed to implement a global government…

            It gives me great pleasure to be here today to participate in this thematic debate on the United Nations in global governance, an issue of the utmost importance given the urgency of the global challenges we are facing… As for legitimacy, I see two avenues to strengthen it. First, domestically, by increasing the visibility of international issues and giving citizens a greater say…
            (wwwDOT)globalpolicy.org/globalization/globalization-of-politics/global-governance-and-the-three-sisters-2-17/50398-lamy-urges-raising-un-ecosoc-profile.html?itemid=id#951

            There sure as heck is no greater threat for uniting citizens together then the threat of ‘catastrophic climate change’ and a world wide financial mess threatening their jobs is there?

            And of course the citizens are given a ‘greater say’ through NGOs that just happen to be completely non-democratic. The new method of governance is the NGO-government partnerships where voters and individuals get completely cut out of the system. ( link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs12134-000-1012-6#page-1 )

            Strong’s early work with YMCA international “…may have been the genesis of Strong’s realization that NGOs (non-government organizations) provide an excellent way to use NGOs to couple the money from philanthropists and business with the objectives of government.” (sovereigntyDOTnet/p/sd/strong.html )

            “Very few of even the larger international NGOs are operationally democratic, in the sense that members elect officers or direct policy on particular issues,” notes Peter Spiro. “Arguably it is more often money than membership that determines influence, and money more often represents the support of centralized elites, such as major foundations, than of the grass roots.” The CGG has benefited substantially from the largesse of the MacArthur, Carnegie, and Ford Foundations. (wwwDOT)afn.org/~govern/strong.html

            So the evidence shows Jimmy Boy and Griffy are Totalitarian Wanna-bes…. Or Useful Idiots.

            …During the 1920’s and most of the 1930’s Münzenberg played a leading role in the Comintern, Lenin’s front for world-wide co-ordination of the left under Russian control. Under Münzenberg’s direction, hundreds of groups, committees and publications cynically used and manipulated the devout radicals of the West….Most of this army of workers in what Münzenberg called ‘Innocents’ Clubs’ had no idea they were working for Stalin. They were led to believe that they were advancing the cause of a sort of socialist humanism.

            The descendents of the ‘Innocents’ Clubs’ are still hard at work in our universities and colleges. Every year a new cohort of impressionable students join groups like the Anti-Nazi League believing them to be benign opponents of oppression…

            Despite the formal collapse of Communism in 1989, the legacy of Stalin’s strategy of destroying the West by propaganda has an increasing hold through the cult of ‘political correctness.’ The undermining of our society by the media has steadily intensified since then. Münzenberg’s spectre hovers as vital as ever in contemporary life. At a time when Communism has little remaining formal influence, Münzenberg’s techniques of propaganda and disinformation pervade our lives. (wwwDOT)heretical.com/miscella/munzen.html

          • Latitude says:

            thanks Sis…and you’re 100% right!

        • RAH says:

          Now now. You guys know that leftist twits have never been big on history. If they were they wouldn’t be leftists twits!

          • Gail Combs says:

            Snicker…

          • Gail Combs says:

            RAH,
            A conversation you might be interested in between EM Smith and Larry Ledwick starts HERE.

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            Now, now, RAH. Leftist twits love history. You make it sound like they are ignorant or something.

            The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.

            —Ronald Reagan

          • RAH says:

            CW
            lol. Though it really isn’t funny. All one has to do is read a US History book intended for the HS level to understand why we have leftist twits.
            Misinformation is far worse than no information. Thank God I was around to teach my kids and my first Granddaughter history and hopefully I’ll be around long enough to teach the Bug our nations history also.
            but just incase I’m not I have just ordered this:
            https://www.amazon.com/Further-Adventures-Rush-Revere-Star-Spangled/dp/1501158368/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1488049520&sr=8-1&keywords=rush+revere+book+series

            Once I receive them I will review them but everything I’ve heard so far indicates they are excellent and so I’m pretty sure they’ll pass my inspection.

          • Gail Combs says:

            RAH,
            Let us know whether they are any good. I am trying to talk my neighbor into home schooling their 3 year old.

          • RAH says:

            Gail I unintentionally ended up teaching history to a couple of my first Granddaughters history “teachers” when she was in school by proxy through my Granddaughter and the papers I helped her write. Not all public school teachers are bad. Though they mean well they’re ignorance is sometimes just the result of the same system that was failing my Granddaughter. A couple were quite open to having the interpretations challenged when I could fill in the extensive blanks the authors of the teaching text had left.

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            Some years back I unintentionally ended up teaching history to some Democrat relatives of mine (other than that good, caring and loving people).

            When I objected to some of their clearly false statements and laid out a few easy-to-verify facts, they challenged me with this bizarre question:

            “Why do you think your sources are better than ours?”

            They were teachers.

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            It’s worse than that, Gail.

            Our disagreement was about rather recent “history” as reflected in the Congressional record and even in MSM they read and trust. Their failure was simply an absolute inability to consider that what is said and repeated among teachers in school lounges conflicts with what actually happened in the U.S. House and Senate. They could not conceive they could be wrong.

            I see the same phenomenon in other “thought bubbles” like the People’s Republic of Boulder. It’s “history” that hasn’t even been “rewritten” yet but it’s already fully formed in their heads. In their own minds my relatives were not lying or deceiving. They were convinced they were right and they were annoyed by my insistence to show them the facts but I believe they were sincerely trying to find out what’s wrong with me. They just couldn’t understand why I don’t agree with “their facts”.

            This thing is completely irrational but very widespread.

          • gator69 says:

            Before the Progressives took hold of our schools in the early 20th century, history textbooks were thoroughly footnoted with original documentaion and firsthand acounts. The Progs threw out those textbooks and replaced them with fiction, the new books had zero foototes. They created “facts” out of thin air.

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            The alarmist trolls here are perfect examples of the same phenomena. If anything gets mentioned that has not been “written” or “rewritten” yet they’ll make up arguments on the fly to fit in their world view.

          • RAH says:

            All of this comes back to the left in this country having an iron grip on Academia. Though great work in history is still being written I have seen a tremendous amount of ridiculous revisionist crap written by PhDs from academia.

            If you will recall my very first post on this blog was an essay I had written about the history of the strategic bombing campaign of Imperial Japan. No HS history teacher I have had contact with knew anything about the fire bombings and the fact that far more Japanese were killed in those raids using conventional ordinance than the combined total from both atomic bombs. None knew that the deadliest air raid in the history of warfare was the first low level firebombing raid on Tokyo. And forget about them knowing the details about the time line and events of negotiations and the real intent of the Japanese Imperial military leadership for gaining an armistice instead of their ill gotten dominance being ended by unconditional surrender.

  17. Andy says:

    As for the Arctic sea ice extent I called that it would be about normal in winter 2017 all the way back just after the maximum. It wasn’t news then because there was a big bounce from the very low summer minima that was the news.

    I’m guessing summer 2017 ice extent summer minimum extent will be a lot lower than 2006. ;)

    Andy

  18. Oliver K. Manuel says:

    The global climate scam is the direct result of a decision after WWII to unite nations and national academies of sciences under the UN on 24 OCT 1945 to save frightened world leaders from possible worldwide nuclear annihilation.

    After P.K. Kuroda’s death in 2001, BBC’s report on Mrs. Kuroda’s return of Japan’s successful design for atomic bombs in 2002, and the release of Climategate emails in 2009, I went back and re-read more carefully two of my research mentor’s reports:

    1. Kuroda’s 1982 book:
    http://www.springer.com/us/book/9783642686696
    2. Kuroda’s 1992 autobiography:
    http://www.omatumr.com/abstracts2005/PKKAutobiography.pdf

    Then I realized Kuroda probably risked his life to keep a personal copy of Japan’s atomic bomb design because he knew false nuclear models were promoted after WWII to hide the source of nuclear energy in atomic bombs and in cores of:

    1. Heavy elements like Uranium
    2. Gaseous planets like Jupiter
    3. Ordinary stars like the Sun
    4. Galaxies like the Milky Way
    5. The expanding Universe . . .

    NEUTRON REPULSION

    Yukawa later became the first Japanese Nobel Laureate in physics in 1949 for the Standard Nuclear Model that ignored NEUTRON REPULSION.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hideki_Yukawa

    • Andy says:

      This is fascinating but not relevant at all. How are his books connected to Climate gate? Also say nuclear energy in cores of galaxies and the Universe, but they don’t have atomic cores as such.

      Andy

  19. Andy says:

    Another time when Tony mentioned 2006

    https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2015/08/17/arctic-sea-ice-right-at-the-2006-minimum/

    “Arctic sea ice extent at 30% concentration is currently almost flatlined right at the 2006 minimum. That was the year with the highest minimum of the past decade.The melt season is essentially done, as cold air has settled over the Arctic.”

    No, it was not essensitially done, this is how 2015 turned out to 2006.

    http://www.zen141854.zen.co.uk/ice2015.jpg

    Always best to judge the lowest and highest values in hindsight. For the Arctic the winter maximum has less weight that than the summer minimum due to land boundaries.

    Andy

    • AndyG55 says:

      “Always best to judge the lowest and highest values in hindsight”

      and over the last 10 or so years , those have all being within a handshake of each other.

      AND they have been WAY, WAY above the levels of pre-LIA, and probably about the same as in the 1950’s, according to newly found DOE and Russian data.

      There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING UNTOWARD happening with Arctic sea ice.

      It is still anomalously HIGH for the current interglacial except the last several hundred years, which were the COLDEST in the last 10,000 years.

      capeeeesh… ???? Need I say more…

    • Latitude says:

      “”Always best to judge the lowest and highest values in hindsight.””

      Andy, I really don’t agree with this at all..

      The extremes are the most fragile and unstable…anything can set them off one way or the other….AMO, wind, one good storm….and they jump all over the place because of that

      The only place I look is around May and December….that is the only place it tells if it’s really going up or down..if they are within eyeball range then….nothing is going on

      • AndyG55 says:

        Average Arctic sea ice for last 10 years, while the AMO has been sitting near its flattish top

        I’ll update it when 2017 peaks.

        • Latitude says:

          exactamundo….

        • Jim Hunt says:

          Have you got one of those with cubic kilometers on the Y axis Andy?

          • AndyG55 says:

            Poor Jimbo, the only way he support his child-minded obsession is to ignore Arctic climate history.

            IGNORANCE is his only crutch.

            Question for Jimbo, the Exeter Uni arse-licker..

            Even if the Arctic sea ice were to drop back a lot further than now, towards the pre-LIA norm, why is this a problem ?

            Another question for Jimbo, the troll with the massive yellow streak.

            Do you think it would be beneficial if Arctic sea lanes were actually open, instead of trapping ships in sea ice?

            Or would it be more beneficial if they were closed all year like back in the extremes of 1979. ?

            Come on Jimbo, have the GUTS to answer.

          • AndyG55 says:

            We can now watch Jimbo squirm and worm and avoid admitting any truth about anything to do with the Arctic sea ice.

            Admitting any truth is beyond him.. he lives his life as a LIE.

            He is Climate Change Denier №1..

          • Jim Hunt says:

            As already mentioned Andy, I’m on the University of Antarctica faculty. Not Exeter.

          • Jim Hunt says:

            I’ll take that as a “No!” then shall I Andy?

            Here’s one with a novel Y axis for you!

          • gator69 says:

            Genocide Jim pushing his 1979 scam again.

          • AndyG55 says:

            One of those Uni’s where you don’t actually have to know anything.. That is very obvious.

            One of those on-line Pretend University with ZERO academic credibility.

            Just the place for you Jimbo, even if you do live in Exeter.

            Heck even their faculty members have zero integrity and are unable to answer basic questions about sea ice conditions, like….

            Question 1 for Jimbo, the Exeter Uni arse-licker..

            Even if the Arctic sea ice were to drop back a lot further than now, towards the pre-LIA norm, why is this a problem ?

            Question 2 for Jimbo, the troll with the massive yellow streak.

            Do you think it would be beneficial if Arctic sea lanes were actually open, instead of trapping ships in sea ice?

            Or would it be more beneficial if they were closed all year like back in the extremes of 1979. ?

          • AndyG55 says:

            Average MEASURED sea ice extent..

            vs

            volume modelled by rabid AGW apostles.

            hmmm.

          • AndyG55 says:

            Only a pretend on-line University would allow an ignorant twat with zero academic standing onto it faculty.

            Pretty sad state of affairs for this pseudo-University if Jimbo is the sort of low-life they employ…… that is for sure.

            except maybe as a janitor.

          • AndyG55 says:

            And I hope to heck that they never let you anywhere near any real students.

            Even an on-line university has duty of care.

          • Gail Combs says:

            Now, Now, AndyG
            Remember Jimmy Boy is a <a href="https://realclimatescience.com/2017/02/the-global-warming-scam-goes-super-cold-today/#comment-42206"<member of the faculty of the University of Antarctica

            The University of Antarctica, Antarctica (U of A, U of AA, AAA, or simply “Thankgodshelter”, as it is referred to by visitors) was founded in 2008 about 120 miles south-west of the northern-east maritime coast of the Antarctic Ocean. U of AA is globally recognized for maintaining the ironic status of being both the continent’s newest and oldest university.

            Initially, the U of AA intended to focus exclusively upon the studies of dentistry, music therapy, and agriculture due to its thriving local demand, but the school has since then changed its disciplines and concentrations towards hunting and gathering, medicine, ice sculpting, and hockey.

            The Antarctic Board of Education recently awarded U of AA as a pioneering iceship campus, as it fills the gap between the continent’s absent primary educational system and the commercial empire that is expected to thrive in the continent sometime in the next millennium….

            Since Jimmy Boy is not Canadian, hockey is out and the UK pretty much bans guns, so hunting (but not gathering) is out, so his speciality must be ice sculpting!

            NOW we know why he is so very very good at lying about the sea ice!

          • AndyG55 says:

            And of course, with Jimbo , you can guarantte he will start at the EXTREME sea ice of 1979

            The IGNORANCE and DENIAL of anything that doesn’t meet his belief in the AGW scam is just ignored.

            Notice how he has disappeared now that he has some questions he doesn’t want to answer.

            Sheer COWARDICE.

            I’ll repeat those questions so I can be sure he hasn’t missed them. ;-)

            Question 1 for Jimbo, the Ice sculptor from Antarctic university.

            Even if the Arctic sea ice were to drop back a lot further than now, towards the pre-LIA norm, why is this a problem ?

            Question 2 for Jimbo, the troll with the massive yellow streak.

            Do you think it would be beneficial if Arctic sea lanes were actually open, instead of trapping ships in sea ice?
            …. Or would it be more beneficial if they were closed all year like back in the extremes of 1979. ?

          • Gail Combs says:

            AndyG
            Jimmy Boy left to pick up his award… It’s even YELLOW!

  20. Andrew M. says:

    Hey Tony,
    Surely you should remind people occasionally that not all official revisions to temperature charts have been ahistorical exaggerations.

    http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadsst3gl/from:1860/to:2014.3/mean:60/mean:36/plot/hadsst3gl/from:1860/to:2014.3/trend/plot/hadsst2gl/from:1860/to:2014.3/mean:60/mean:36/plot/hadsst2gl/from:1860/to:2014.3/trend

    The change from Hadley SST2 into Hadley SST3 did not alter the long term trend, actually created a slight cooling in the 1960s/70s, and that cooling matches all your other news clippings and data about the global cooling scare better than the uncorrected version 2.

  21. RAH says:

    Here in central Indiana yesterday it got up to 64 F. This morning it’s 32 F with snow flurries with a low of 23 F forecast for tonight. Thus ends a 12 day run of nice spring like warmth that we’ve enjoyed for most of this month. Unfortunately it’s looking like March is going to come in like a lion and stay that way. Bring back my global warming!

  22. CO2isLife says:

    Doesn’t anyone ask the most obvious question? How does Ice melt in sub-zero temperatures? The ice is melting due to the warm ocean, not the atmosphere. How does CO2 warm the ocean needs to be the question, once that is asked, the bogus claims go away. CO2 and IR between 13 and 18 microns don’t warm water.

    • gator69 says:

      You are assuming that logic and facts are important to leftist mass murderers. To them there is only one real driver, you are forgetting the power of the “leftist agenda”, and its ability to cause its suitors to become wilfully ignorant.

      • Gail Combs says:

        That is why the Leftist media and the US government was very very big on censorship and prosecutions. The Department of Justice has investigated more than 11,000 acts of anti-Political Correct rhetoric, which have led to 45 prosecutions.

        • RAH says:

          Nice little blurb at American Thinker on the Media scream about their 1st amendment rights:
          http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/02/media_complaining_about_1st_amendment_rights_really.html

          “February 25, 2017
          Media complaining about 1st Amendment rights? Really?
          By Jack Hellner
          The media…
          …didn’t give a darn when IRS targeted Obama’s political opponents, clearly violating their free speech and political speech rights.

          …have never cared when Congress, especially Democrats, have sought to limit political speech in violation of the 1st amendment.
          …didn’t care as the Justice Dept. and Democrat state A.G.s clearly threatened legal action against people who dared say the climate changes naturally, which obviously violated their free speech rights.
          …had no concern at all when the Obama admin sued the Little Sisters of the Poor for daring to exercise their religious freedom.
          But now they are concerned about the 1st Amendment when they are asked to tell the truth.
          Maybe it would be easier to care about the media’s 1st Amendment rights if they ever cared about those who disagreed with the Democrats’ agenda.
          The media…
          …didn’t give a darn when IRS targeted Obama’s political opponents, clearly violating their free speech and political speech rights.
          …have never cared when Congress, especially Democrats, have sought to limit political speech in violation of the 1st amendment.
          …didn’t care as the Justice Dept. and Democrat state A.G.s clearly threatened legal action against people who dared say the climate changes naturally, which obviously violated their free speech rights.
          …had no concern at all when the Obama admin sued the Little Sisters of the Poor for daring to exercise their religious freedom.

          But now they are concerned about the 1st Amendment when they are asked to tell the truth.
          Maybe it would be easier to care about the media’s 1st Amendment rights if they ever cared about those who disagreed with the Democrats’ agenda.”

          • Gail Combs says:

            And now Twatter, partially owned by Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal ,and Face plant are censoring conservatives.

            There are even complaints that President Trump’s Twitter account is messed with so only comments by Progressive temper tantrums show.

          • RAH says:

            They can’t win. They are being beaten and they’re too damned stupid, too lazy, too set in their ways, to understand that the jig is up.
            People want immigration controlled.
            They want a strong military.
            They don’t want the Federal government dictating bathroom policy.
            They don’t want tax dollars paying for abortion.
            And they sure as hell are tired of the press dictating to them what their morality should be.

            Watching how motivated the crowd at C-pac was when Trump came to speak has got to have had an effect on the RINO Never Trumpers and motivated the truly conservative members of Congress.

          • Gail Combs says:

            Obama’s National Security and Immigration Policy (again from Branco @ Legal Insurrection )

    • Latitude says:

      exactly…and 90% of it is underwater

      It could only be the leftovers of the AMO…the only water that flows directly into the Arctic ocean

    • Gail Combs says:

      Not CO2 IR back radiation does not warm water. All it can do is aid water evaporation a tiny bit if that. It is the SUN, esp the shorter high energy wavelengths that warms the oceans.

  23. Alfred Giesbrecht says:

    I come to this site for what I consider valuable info. I do not appreciate the name calling. I if you are right why bother with the impolite behavior.

  24. AndyG55 says:

    Interesting new paper on No tricks zone

    http://notrickszone.com/2017/02/25/blockbuster-paper-finds-just-15-of-co2-growth-since-industrialization-is-due-to-human-emissions/#sthash.g6lg4WsH.m7iwfR4u.dpbs

    Humans responsible for just 15% of the rise of atmospheric CO2 since 1750

    Anthropogenic fraction of aCO2 is just 4.3%

  25. Andy says:

    At this rate this thread will have more posts than people at Donald’s inauguration !

    :)

    The longest Antarctic melt on record seems to be continuing…..

    Very interesting, however will there be a large bounce and get as per previous years where the rate of growth has been above the satellite era average?

    Andy

    • Gail Combs says:

      Just remember WHAT that melting ice represents.

      Heat of Fusion-the amount of heat required to convert unit mass of a solid into the liquid without a change in temperature.

      For water at its normal freezing point of 0 ºC, the specific heat of Fusion is 334 J g-1. This means that to convert 1 g of ice at 0 ºC to 1 g of water at 0 ºC, 334 J of heat must be absorbed by the water
      http://www.kentchemistry.com/links/Energy/HeatFusion.htm

      • AndyG55 says:

        “334 J of heat must be absorbed by the water…”

        I think, you might have got that slightly wrong , Gail.

        The energy to melt the ice is absorbed FROM the ocean.

        Maybe just a wording thing ;-)

        The energy that has been lost from the oceans during this 2015-2016-2017 El Nino event must be absolutely staggering !

        A MAJOR ocean cooling event.

        • Gail Combs says:

          It is the wording of the article. (Confused me at first too.) That is why I posted the graph since it make it clear.

          I should have included note

          Note #2-Energy is required to melt and released when it freezes

          From the graph, it looks like it is in the same ball park as the amount of energy needed to get water up near boiling.

          • AndyG55 says:

            Still , a staggering amount of energy has been sucked from the oceans during the last couple of years.

            Trying to balance with the sleepy sun, maybe ?

    • cdquarles says:

      And also remember that the thermodynamic temperature is a property of a defined amount of matter, where the temperature is proportional to the geometric mean of the kinetic energies of that sample’s constituent atoms/molecules. NB that the total energy in the sample may be quite larger than that represented solely by the constituent’s kinetic energy.

  26. Jim Hunt says:

    To summarise:

    1) We’re all agreed that Bruce’s February 24th 3:30 pm picture was NOT taken at the North Pole on March 17th 1959.

    2) We all finally understand that, as described on the official Northern Sea Route Information Office web site:

    For the first time in the NSR history, the icebreakers prolonged to January the period of operational navigation on this route that made available through pass for vessels from western to almost eastern border of the NSR waters.

    • AndyG55 says:

      LYING , yet again, et Jimbo

      No , we agree that Bruce’s picture WAS taken when he says it was.

      You seem to agree that less sea ice would be good, then why are you COWARDLY avoiding answering my questions?

      Question 1 for Jimbo, the AGW scammer troll and LIAR

      Even if the Arctic sea ice were to drop back a lot further than now, towards the pre-LIA norm, why is this a problem ?

      Question 2 for Jimbo, the troll with the massive yellow streak.

      Do you think it would be beneficial if Arctic sea lanes were actually open, instead of trapping ships in sea ice?
      …. Or would it be more beneficial if they were closed all year like back in the extremes of 1979. ?

      RUN and HIDE, you obnoxious little worm.

      • Jim Hunt says:

        Andy – In which case:

        1) Do you recall that Skate’s commander mentioned:

        It was almost dark, the sky was heavily overcast, and the 25 knot wind was blowing the snow so heavily that visibility was cut down to 500 yards.

        2) Where’s the light coming from that’s casting those shadows?

        • AndyG55 says:

          “It was almost dark, the sky was heavily overcast, and the 25 knot wind was blowing the snow so heavily that visibility was cut down to 500 yards.”

          Cut down to 500 yards… in the pitch dark. WOW. !

          oops !!! Jimbo stuffs up YET AGAIN !!!

          Oh poor Jimbo, your diet of sewer soaked socks is having a detrimental affect on that drug-addled mind of yours. Or perhaps sewer soaked socks is just your drug of choice. You certainly seem addicted to them.

      • AndyG55 says:

        Question 1 for Jimbo, the AGW scammer troll and LIAR

        Even if the Arctic sea ice were to drop back a lot further than now, towards the pre-LIA norm, why is this a problem ?

        Question 2 for Jimbo, the troll with the massive yellow streak.

        Do you think it would be beneficial if Arctic sea lanes were actually open, instead of trapping ships in sea ice?
        …. Or would it be more beneficial if they were closed all year like back in the extremes of 1979. ?

        RUN and HIDE, you obnoxious little worm.

        WHY are you such a COWARD , Jimbo. !!!

        • Jim Hunt says:

          Andy,

          1) Gail and I have already answered that question, in part at least. Why do you keep repeating it?

          2) The Russians obviously think it would be beneficial!

          Personally I reckon the unfortunate side effects will prove to be highly undesirable for the current homo sapiens sapiens population of coastal cities in particular. See 1.

          • AndyG55 says:

            visibility cut down to 500m…… don’t you comprehend??

            No obviously not..

            You truly are a proving yourself to be a dumb,moronic idiot aren’t you Jimbo, as well as being a monumental COWARD

            Question 1 for Jimbo, the AGW scammer troll and LIAR

            Even if the Arctic sea ice were to drop back a lot further than now, towards the pre-LIA norm, why is this a problem ?

            Question 2 for Jimbo, the troll with the massive yellow streak.

            Do you think it would be beneficial if Arctic sea lanes were actually open, instead of trapping ships in sea ice?
            …. Or would it be more beneficial if they were closed all year like back in the extremes of 1979. ?

            RUN and HIDE, you obnoxious little worm.

          • AndyG55 says:

            You have NOT answered the questions , you have continually avoided them.. like you are now.

            You aren’t saying that loss of Arctic sea ice will cause the sea level to rise, are you.?

            That would be moronic and REALLY show your absolute idiocy and total lack of comprehension of anything to do with science.

            But we know that already.

    • gator69 says:

      So is this justification for starving millions of humans annually? I’m sure the 21,000 that perished today are just really bummed they won’t hear Genocide Jim’s next ice scream.

      Q: What does a radical climate terrorist say just before he snuffs out another 21,000 humans?

      A: Wait for Jim’s next post, and you will see.

    • BruceC says:

      Jim Bob;

      1) We’re all agreed that Bruce’s February 24th 3:30 pm picture was NOT taken at the North Pole on March 17th 1959.

      WRONG! WE have made no such claim! Upon doing a google image search, there are a dozen or-so DIFFERENT pictures of the Skate breaking ice dated the 17th March 1959. Do you honestly think they only took ONE PICTURE of this historic event!

      (just as a side-note, they didn’t only do it once, but 10 times during the historic voyage).

      The picture of the Skate I posted comes directly from the US Navy’s .mil (ie: US Government) website dedicated and celebrating the 56th anniversary of the Skate’s achievement.

      2) We all finally understand that, as described on the official Northern Sea Route Information Office web site:

      Please explain why there are currently 3 stranded vessels (now connected to onshore power) in the Northern Sea Route and will remain there until late May or early June (or till whenever the ice melts enough for a safe passage out)? BTW Jim Bob, in case you have forgotten, they have been there since the 13th January!.

      • Jim Hunt says:

        Bruce,

        1) Since Andy is unable to do so perhaps you can explain what’s casting the shadows visible in your picture?

        2) At the risk of repeating myself, because:

        For the first time in the NSR history, the icebreakers prolonged to January the period of operational navigation on this route that made available through pass for vessels from western to almost eastern border of the NSR waters.

        Here’s the map of the historic voyage from the NSRIO web site:

    • BruceC says:

      Just another thing to think about Jim Bob, hours before your photograph was taken, Commander James F. Calvert and the crew planted an American Flag in a cairn they built out of ice blocks and put a waterproof container in the cairn with a note commemorating the event.

    • BruceC says:

      In August 1958 Jim Bob, the USS Skate conducted the first surfacing in open-water polynyas. Fancy that! Wasn’t there supposed to be more ice back then?

      • AndyG55 says:

        No, The DOE and Russian data say the 50’s was a low point.

        Probably similar to now.

        Although there is NO WAY a sub is surfacing at the North Pole any time this year !!..

        Unless they use a missile to blast their way trough.

        • BruceC says:

          I know that Andy :-) I was hoping for Captain Stupid to answer.

        • BruceC says:

          58-59 was also at the end of the previous positive AMO ;-)

          • Gail Combs says:

            YUPPERS, looks like the AMO is topping out and then the Arctic Sea Ice will be increasing. Time for the Warmist to shift focus to the Antarctic or to come up with a different Hobgoblin entirely.

            The North Atlantic heat content that was melting the sea ice has already started falling.

          • Gail Combs says:

            Now here is a graph, that should scare the Begeezus out of anyone who can read a graph. (That lets out Griffy)

            Again the North Atlantic but this time looking at the temperature at different depths.

            North Atlantic 59°N transect to 800 m depth (Oslo and Sarpsborg Norway; St.Petersburg and Vologda Russia; Uppsala and Stockholm Sweden… are at 59°N )

            “Time-depth temperature diagram along 59°N, 0-800 m depth, across the North Atlantic Current. Temperatures in Degrees Celcius. Source: Global Marine Argo Atlas. Latest month shown: December 2016. Last diagram update: 14 January 2017.”

        • Gail Combs says:

          ANOTHER Arctic study showing an ” increase in multiyear sea ice culminated during the past 2,500 years’ AND “The lack of uniformity in past sea-ice changes… related to large-scale atmospheric anomalies such as the Arctic Oscillation” something AndyG has been trying to pound into Warmist heads for ages.

          A 10,000-Year Record of Arctic Ocean Sea-Ice Variability

          Abstract

          We present a sea-ice record from northern Greenland covering the past 10,000 years. Multiyear sea ice reached a minimum between ~8,500 and 6,000 years ago, when the limit of year-round sea ice at the coast of Greenland was located ~1000 kilometers to the north of its present position. The subsequent increase in multiyear sea ice culminated during the past 2,500 years and is linked to an increase in ice export from the western Arctic and higher variability of ice-drift routes. When the ice was at its minimum in northern Greenland, it greatly increased at Ellesmere Island to the west. The lack of uniformity in past sea-ice changes, which is probably related to large-scale atmospheric anomalies such as the Arctic Oscillation, is not well reproduced in models. This needs to be further explored, as it is likely to have an impact on predictions of future sea-ice distribution.

          The ice is certainly thicker at the North Pole than when the Skate was there in March.
          (Green to yellow is 2.5 meters to 3.5 meters or 8 feet to 11.5 feet)

      • Jim Hunt says:

        I expect Andy will concur that polynyas in Arctic sea ice have been around since the first 3/4 of the Holocene.

  27. Gail Combs says:

    OK, Jimmy Boy,
    I will tackle this one while waiting for hubby to get the C-bac-T ready.

    “2) What was the maximum sea level during the first 3/4 of the Holocene, relative to the first years of the Anthropocene?”

    Ruddiman connects the Anthropocene with the start of agriculture.

    …The most numerous species from Chogha Golan are wild barley, goat-grass and lentil, which are all wild ancestors of modern crops. These and many other species are present in large numbers starting in the lowest deposits, horizon XI, dating to the end of the last Ice Age roughly 11,700 years ago. In horizon II dating to 9,800 years ago, domesticated emmer wheat appears.

    The plant remains from Chogha Golan represent a unique, long-term record of cultivation of wild plant species in the eastern Fertile Crescent. …
    (wwwDOT)sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/07/130705101629.htm

    So around 10,000 years or so ago.

    What has happened to the sea level in Tectonically stable areas

    Mid to late Holocene sea-level reconstruction of Southeast Vietnam using beachrock and beach-ridge deposits

    ….backshore deposits along the tectonically stable south-eastern Vietnamese coast document Holocene sea level changes…..reconstructed for the last 8000 years….The rates of sea-level rise decreased sharply after the rapid early Holocene rise and stabilized at a rate of 4.5 mm/year between 8.0 and 6.9 ka. Southeast Vietnam beachrocks reveal that the mid-Holocene sea-level highstand slightly above + 1.4 m was reached between 6.7 and 5.0 ka, with a peak value close to + 1.5 m around 6.0 ka….

    Translation the sea level was up to 1.5 meters higher than today in a tectonically stable area ~5000 years ago to 2000 years ago. Tectonically stable area refers to areas devoid of deformation such as all processes which modify the external form of the crust.

    Sea-level highstand recorded in Holocene shoreline deposits on Oahu, Hawaii

    Unconsolidated carbonate sands and cobbles on Kapapa Island, windward Oahu, are 1.4-2.8 (+ or – 0.25) m above present mean sea level (msl)…we interpret the deposit to be a fossil beach or shoreline representing a highstand of relative sea level during middle to late Holocene time. Calibrated radiocarbon dates of coral and mollusc samples, and a consideration of the effect of wave energy setup, indicate that paleo-msl was at least 1.6 (+ or – 0.45) m above present msl prior to 3889-3665 cal. yr B.P, possibly as early as 5532-5294 cal. yr B.P., and lasted until at least 2239-1940 cal. yr B.P
    jsedres(DOT)geoscienceworld.org/content/66/3/632.abstract

    This study shows a sea level highstand ~1.6 meter above the present level from ~5500 years ago to 2000 years ago.

    Late Quaternary highstand deposits of the southern Arabian Gulf: a record of sea-level and climate change

    Abstract
    …..It has therefore been necessary to infer the ages of these sediments by a comparison of their stratigraphy and elevation with deposits known from other parts of the world. We regard this approach as valid because the southern Gulf coastline lacks evidence for significant widespread neotectonic uplift,…….
    …..Widespread evidence exists for a Holocene sea level higher than at present in the southern Arabian Gulf, indicating that it peaked at 1–2 m above present level, c. 5.5 ka bp……. sp(DOT)lyellcollection.org/content/195/1/371.refs

    This study shows a sea level highstand ~1 to 2 meters above the present level about ~5500 years ago.

    • Gail Combs says:

      Seem the sea level has FALLEN since the Holocene Optimum. Why?
      GLACIAL ADVANCE

      A new approach for reconstructing glacier variability based on lake sediments recording input from more than one glacier January 2012

      …. A multi-proxy numerical analysis demonstrates that it is possible to distinguish a glacier component in the ~ 8000-yr-long record, based on distinct changes in grain size, geochemistry, and magnetic composition…. This signal is …independently tested through a mineral magnetic provenance analysis of catchment samples. Minimum glacier input is indicated between 6700–5700 cal yr BP, probably reflecting a situation when most glaciers in the catchment had melted away, whereas the highest glacier activity [growth] is observed around 600 and 200 cal yr BP. During the local Neoglacial interval (~ 4200 cal yr BP until present), five individual periods of significantly reduced glacier extent are identified at ~ 3400, 3000–2700, 2100–2000, 1700–1500, and ~ 900 cal yr BP….
      (wwwDOT)sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0033589411001256

      The highest glacier growth started 600 years ago prior to that most glaciers had melted away.

      Ice free Arctic Ocean, an Early Holocene analogue

      Abstract
      Extensive systems of wave generated beach ridges along the North Greenland coasts show that these areas once saw seasonally open water. In addition to beach ridges, large amounts of striated boulders in and on the marine sediments from the same period also indicate that the ocean was open enough for ice bergs to drift along the shore and drop their loads. Presently the North Greenland coastline is permanently beleaguered by pack ice, and ice bergs are very rare and locked up in the sea ice. Predictions of the rapidly decreasing sea ice in the Arctic Ocean generally point to this area as the last to become ice free in summer. We therefore suggest that the occurrence of wave generated shores and abundant ice berg dropped boulders indicate that the Arctic Ocean was nearly free of sea ice in the summer at the time when they were formed. The beach ridges occur as isostatically raised “staircases”, and C14-dated curves for relative sea level change show that they were formed in the Early Holocene. A large set of samples of molluscs from beach ridges and marine sediments were collected in the summer of 2007, and are presently being dated to give a precise dating of the ice free interval. Preliminary results indicate that it fell within the interval from c. 8.5 to c. 6 ka – being progressively shorter from south to north. We therefore conclude that for a period in the Early Holocene, probably for a millenium or more, the Arctic Ocean was free of sea ice at least for shorter periods in the summer….

      Temperature and precipitation history of the Arctic

      …. Solar energy reached a summer maximum (9% higher than at present) ~11 ka ago and has been decreasing since then, primarily in response to the precession of the equinoxes. The extra energy elevated early Holocene summer temperatures throughout the Arctic 1-3°C above 20th century averages, enough to completely melt many small glaciers throughout the Arctic, although the Greenland Ice Sheet was only slightly smaller than at present. Early Holocene summer sea ice limits were substantially smaller than their 20th century average, and the flow of Atlantic water into the Arctic Ocean was substantially greater. As summer solar energy decreased in the second half of the Holocene, glaciers re-established or advanced, sea ice expanded

      VALIDATION
      Sea Level Changes Past Records and Future Expectations

      For the last 40-50 years strong observational facts indicate virtually stable sea level conditions. The Earth’s rate of rotation records an [average] acceleration from 1972 to 2012, contradicting all claims of a rapid global sea level rise, and instead suggests stable, to slightly falling, sea levels.

    • Jim Hunt says:

      Gail – Thanks for some pertinent information at long last!

      However, according to Wikipedia:

      In January 2015, 26 of the 38 members of the International Anthropocene Working Group published a paper suggesting the Trinity test on 16 July 1945 as the starting point of the proposed new epoch.

      • AndyG55 says:

        Come on you COWARD

        Answer the question . You make even more of a MOCKERY of yourself by refusing to.

        Question 1 for Jimbo, the AGW scammer troll and LIAR

        Even if the Arctic sea ice were to drop back a lot further than now, towards the pre-LIA norm, why is this a problem ?

        Question 2 for Jimbo, the troll with the massive yellow streak.

        Do you think it would be beneficial if Arctic sea lanes were actually open, instead of trapping ships in sea ice?
        …. Or would it be more beneficial if they were closed all year like back in the extremes of 1979. ?

        RUN and HIDE, you obnoxious little worm.

      • Gail Combs says:

        ” according to Wikipedia”

        ROTFLMAO!!!!!

        • AndyG55 says:

          They created a committee of AGW apostles to come up with a propaganda change of geological era.

          Thing is , they say 1945, just at the start of the major cooling era.

          OOPS.bo strikes out again !!

          Maybe if he turned and actually face reality, instead of constantly showing the huge yellow streak down his back he might actually see the ball !!

          Question 1 for Jimbo, the AGW scammer troll and LIAR

          Even if the Arctic sea ice were to drop back a lot further than now, towards the pre-LIA norm, why is this a problem ?

          Question 2 for Jimbo, the troll with the massive yellow streak.

          Do you think it would be beneficial if Arctic sea lanes were actually open, instead of trapping ships in sea ice?
          …. Or would it be more beneficial if they were closed all year like back in the extremes of 1979. ?

          Come on COWARDLY slimy little troll..

          answer if you dare.

          • Jim Hunt says:

            Unanswered questions for Andy.

            Gail suggests:

            A sea level highstand ~1 to 2 meters above the present level about ~5500 years ago.

            1) What was the population of homo sapiens sapiens in coastal cities during the first 3/4 of the Holocene?

            2) Where’s the light coming from that’s casting those shadows?

          • AndyG55 says:

            Same place as to light the snow behind the guys at the back left.

            See how the flare casts a very feeble shadow from the guys close on the right.

            Use you brain , after you find where you left it at the bottom of your sewer.

            Then maybe you can answer these questions Jimbo, if you can get rid of that massive yellow streak.

            Question 1 for Jimbo, the AGW scammer troll and LIAR

            Even if the Arctic sea ice were to drop back a lot further than now, towards the pre-LIA norm, why is this a problem ?

            Question 2 for Jimbo, the troll with the massive yellow streak.

            Do you think it would be beneficial if Arctic sea lanes were actually open, instead of trapping ships in sea ice?
            …. Or would it be more beneficial if they were closed all year like back in the extremes of 1979. ?

        • Gail Combs says:

          I specifically stated Ruddiman’s theory BTW.

          NATURE: The 8,000-year-old climate puzzle: Models bolster case for early human effect on greenhouse-gas levels.
          “Researchers have found new evidence to support the theory that human agriculture was changing the climate 8,000 years ago.”

          …..In previous interglacial periods, CO2 levels spiked early and then gradually declined until the globe went into another ice age. The Holocene began by following this trend, but then CO2 levels changed course and began to rise around 8,000 years ago. The same thing happened with methane levels around 5,000 years ago. These trends align with the expansion of human agriculture, and Ruddiman, of the University of Virginia in Charlottesville, argues that it is no coincidence — the clearing of land and expansion of irrigation released huge amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.

          Critics say that human populations were probably too small to support such a hypothesis, and recent studies have raised serious questions about early anthropogenic carbon and methane emissions. But rather than backing down, Ruddiman and several other researchers will present their supporting evidence in a series of papers scheduled for publication in a special issue of The Holocene journal later this year. Researchers presented some of the work this week at the American Geophysical Union’s Chapman Conference on Climates, Past Landscapes and Civilizations in Santa Fe, New Mexico….

        • Jim Hunt says:

          I’m glad you enjoyed the joke Gail!

          Wiki do provide a reference, which ultimately leads here:

          http://quaternary.stratigraphy.org/workinggroups/anthropocene/

          • AndyG55 says:

            Look at Jimbo the fetid grub scurrying away from answering simple questions

            A cockroach in the light.

            Question 1 for Jimbo, the AGW scammer troll and LIAR

            Even if the Arctic sea ice were to drop back a lot further than now, towards the pre-LIA norm, why is this a problem ?

            Question 2 for Jimbo, the troll with the massive yellow streak.

            Do you think it would be beneficial if Arctic sea lanes were actually open, instead of trapping ships in sea ice?
            …. Or would it be more beneficial if they were closed all year like back in the extremes of 1979. ?

          • Gail Combs says:

            Looks like they goofed then….

          • AndyG55 says:

            They are saying 1945, before CO2 could have had any effect, and just before the drop in temperatures down to 1970 cold period.

            Oh dear,, poor Jimbo can’t take a trick…

            Maybe he should wear a different dress next time ??

            Or maybe the huge, slimy, yellow steak down his back is a big turn off.

          • AndyG55 says:

            1945 is also just before the large jump in Arctic sea ice shown by DOE and new Russian data from 1950 to the extremes of the mid 1970’s

            Obviously anthropogenic, right Jimo.

            Speaking of sea ice…. a couple of questions you might have the courage to answer, Jimbo… or NOT…

            Question 1 for Jimbo, who can’t take a trick,

            Even if the Arctic sea ice were to drop back a lot further than now, towards the pre-LIA norm, why is this a problem ?

            Question 2 for Jimbo, the ignorant troll with the massive yellow streak.

            Do you think it would be beneficial if Arctic sea lanes were actually open, instead of trapping ships in sea ice?
            …. Or would it be more beneficial if they were closed all year like back in the extremes of 1979. ?

          • Jim Hunt says:

            Gail – They didn’t goof. Their criteria require evidence that could be ascertained by future stratigraphy.

      • AndyG55 says:

        Jimbo like awards….

        A yellow-back snivelling snot-picking troll.

        Now with his name on the trophy

      • RAH says:

        Wikipedia has long been rejected as a viable source on climate information since it has a long record of allowing non experts to eliminate substantive revisions to their information put forth by recognized experts in their fields. When it comes to climate information Wikipedia is “fake news” and will remain so until it becomes an honest purveyor of facts.

        It is a place to start but most certainly not a place to end a persons investigation into available information on climate and climate studies.

  28. Andy DC says:

    360 comments! Is that some kind of record for the world’s longest pissing contest? Even though you try very hard to pretend to hate each other, a good time was had by all, especially us people reading the comments.

  29. gator69 says:

    More fake science…

    One in five species on Earth now faces extinction, and that will rise to 50% by the end of the century unless urgent action is taken. That is the stark view of the world’s leading biologists, ecologists and economists who will gather on Monday to determine the social and economic changes needed to save the planet’s biosphere.

    “The living fabric of the world is slipping through our fingers without our showing much sign of caring,” say the organisers of the Biological Extinction conference held at the Vatican this week.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/feb/25/half-all-species-extinct-end-century-vatican-conference

    So those attending the Biological Extinction conference believe there will be great extinctions? Wow! Stunning!

    Gee, I wonder who the attendees of the Mickey Mouse Club consider to be their greatest mouse? We may never know, unless the Grauniad tells us.

    • Gail Combs says:

      Well, that answers the question of what the next Hobgoblin the Warmists are going to try and push.

      There is just one problem. Where Are The Corpses?

      However the Commies have never let reality get in the way of a good crisis if it can be used to push their agenda of a world wide totalitarian dictatorship.

    • RAH says:

      I saw this article being headlined when I opened the news on my homepage and didn’t bother to click on it and read it because I generally don’t waste my time with “science’ articles that make fantastic claims of doom while having a weasel word like “could” in the title of the story. Just like in front line politics, the desperate members of Academia’s green blob will ramp up the amplitude of their claims to try and maintain their relevance. I believe that nobody in their right mind believes their BS anymore after decades of exposure to such BS. I think Nostradamus has more credibility with the chicken little crowd than the “Scientists” that produce this crap.

    • Gail Combs says:

      Of course the rapid descent into glaciation is often an extinction event so maybe that is what they are talking about.

      • gator69 says:

        Gail, as long as species have been evolving, species have been going extinct. It is estimated that over 99.9% of all species that ever lived are now extinct.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction

        List of all species that may have gone extinct since the invention of “CAGW”…

        1979 – Last sightings of the Javan tiger.
        1981 – The Puhielelu hibiscadelphus becomes extinct.
        1981 – Last sighting of the green-blossom pearlymussel – The 24-rayed sunstar.
        1985 – The platypus frog
        1989 – The golden toad – The Atitlán grebe
        1990 – The dusky seaside sparrow
        1994 – Saint Croix racer
        1997 – The Hainan ormosia

        That’s ten in forty years. How many species are there? Good question!

        About 8.7 million (give or take 1.3 million) is the new, estimated total number of species on Earth.

        http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/08/110823180459.htm

        So they are predicting 4,350,000 species extinctions by 2101? Well, at the current rate, it would take much more than a century, more like 174,000 centuries, or 17,400,000 years :lol:

        Alarmists just aren’t real good with numbers. Maybe instead of using models, they should try using a calculator and a brain.

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