As of last year, NOAA didn’t show much, if any August warming for almost 20 years.
That didn’t suit Barack Obama’s agenda, so they simply changed the data to make the hiatus disappear.
This year’s version : 201508.gif (813×525)
Last year’s version : 201408.gif (813×525)
This is on top of the massive data tampering they did prior to 2014.
Their graph looks nothing like satellite measurements of global temperature.
Their graph looks nothing like the 1975 NCAR graph, because they know that they can lie and cheat with impunity while Obama is in office.
NOAA has completely erased the 30 year cooling trend, and now simply fabricate imaginary data for the southern hemisphere.
I really want to believe what is posted here but it just seems way too incredible to be true. Where does the ‘actual’ data come from that refutes the Hussein minion’s seeming lies? If it is that available you would think some Woodward and Berstein cub reporter would out them to make a name for himself, his Progressive roots notwithstanding.
First. Which is the better story that the press likes? Disaster. Threats. ect. Besides that is kinda like asking why hasn’t Hillary done the perp walk yet? Of why does the press ignore Benghazi and accepted that cockamamie story about a video causing the attack? Why did they not challenge this current president time and again on so many issues but instead supported him? The attack at Ft. Hood wasn’t a terrorist attack? We really don’t want to waist the band width for me to list all of that kind of stuff I can think of now do we?
Second. The majority of the press is liberal. They want this stuff to be true. They believe that industrialization and the energy it is based upon are a problem, if not down right evil.
And finally we have this story about the “journalists” being bribed. . http://www.investigatemagazine.co.nz/Investigate/
Global warming is just another tax scam, among many.
Don’t believe it? Look it up.
what is taxed DOT com
It’s a hoax so liberals can boss people around and take their stuff.
Truly, ask yourselves what’s the purpose of “sounding alarm bells ” on global warming if not to raise money? Think about it! Seriously, what exactly is the end goal of this continuous alarmisim but to fine, raise taxes, impose cost exorbitant requirements that show no calculable benefits to our “climate ” except to grab monies?
@Mr. Clozoff
Google: “Stalin’s Science“
“Global Warming” is real, saying it’s a scam plays into the hands of those who call climate realists ‘deniers’. It’s important you add the word “anthropogenic”:
“ANTHROPOGENIC GLOBAL WARMING IS JUST ANOTHER TAX SCAM.”
It’s not just about taxes – it’s about setting a precedent for the U.N. or some successor global authority to usurp the power of national governments similar to the E.U. somewhat successfully, but also occasionally unsuccessfully, trying to usurp the national authority of the E.U. member nations.
But taxes are a part of that, so I’m not disagreeing with you, per se.
And of course as with the whole Iraq oil thing the U.N. was skimming massive bribes off the top during the time all Iraqi oil exports had to go through them. And people who ‘played ball’ with Saddam and reported he had no WMD got huge payments through the scheme, too.
You are right, Bodhisattva
“ResearchGate“ offers AGW supporters and critics and editors of mainstream research journals, the news media, leaders of federal research agencies and the scientific community an opportunity to DOWNLOAD, READ & RESPOND in public, affirming or denying precise experimental data and observations that indicate FEAR is a tool religious and political tyrants use to control the public.
http://tinyurl.com/na7exfc
The USA is no long a representative Republic, under Obama and his band of criminal thugs we are now a banana Republic
The “criminal thugs” you mention are the democrat party and every damn democrat!
Indeed.
As several people point out, this is a scam that the whole Democrat party is behind, but they leave out that some Republicans, or at least some who call themselves Republicans (RINOs) are in on it too.
ACTUALLY — We started losing our republic around the turn of the 19th century. It accelerated slowly but exponentially. We are now in the later phase where changes are so extraordinary that we can actually see those leaps into TERMINAL Socialism.
We have been in total Socialism for most of the 1990s. Now we are in SUPER Socialism which is SO out of control that even the most extreme Socialist have given up trying to get control of the run-away-train. We are rapidly (days away ?) from a Terminal Socialism Crash.
What is next?
Couldn’t even venture a guess. All I know is that after the crash we will be so devastated that we will be Zombie Like and unable to respond to any form of reality for a very long time.
This is the more direct link to “journalists” being bribed: http://www.investigatemagazine.co.nz/Investigate/17255/un-and-oxfam-caught-bribing-journalists-to-write-climate-change-scare-stories/
Well, clearly Trump will not put up with the MSM bs!
Asian’s Girl Tweet:
Aslan’s Girl ?@Aslans_Girl 2h2 hours ago
EPIC!! #YUGE | League of Conservation Voters Asks Donald Trump About Climate Change https://youtu.be/LdqnYiepWBg via @YouTube
Yes, Epic! Here’s Trump’s 1 minute climate change response:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdqnYiepWBg
i wrote a letter to the entire gang of imbecile ‘scientists’ who seek to PROSECUTE deniers with a link to this page.
TO:
[email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]
A list of great minds…really? This isn’t the same as the tobacco industry where a few scientists were paid by the industry itself. This is about reasonable independent people who are not sold out to left wing ideology who independently look at the evidence and reach their own conclusion. How ironic that today’s left wing ‘scientists” are the very ones that would seek to persecute anyone who disagreed with them or dare challenge them, similar to the Roman catholic church in the dark ages. “Settled science” right? I challenge you in the name of science to seriously think about how loaded the very term itself “Settled science” is. Who invented such a term? That term itself contradicts science, and its not testable by science. “Settled science” is a 20th century invocation that has no basis in historical science. The term itself is an invention of agenda driven ideologues. Whenever you use that term, you demonstrate your own ineptitude and your own shortcomings and failures as ‘scientists’ who seek to pursue the truth, rather than a political agenda.
Galileo was a denier in his day too. I wear the badge proudly.
Too bad for you, satellite data is objective.
I’m glad that not everyone in history thought “settled science” (i.e. galileo) meant never question, never challenge, never be skeptical.
You guys sure are brilliant…lets persecute people who are ‘deniers’…all of you combined sure have an amazing mass of active brain cells…its genius! I wonder if your combined IQ is greater than 100….hey I have an idea, following your train of thought…..lets round up all those deniers and burn them at the stake in the name of “freethought”. Sound good? We have a pretty good historical template for what to do with “deniers”….lots of other societies in human history had very effective ways of eradicating them from civilized society- Galileo will testify to that!
May I take just a guess here….every single one of you is a democrat voter, yes? You can admit it. cmon…its ok, you can be honest with me guys. You know what they say…when everyone thinks alike, no one is really thinking.
I challenge you to look at this link, but you probably lack the intellectual fortitude to do so. Just like the millions of barack voters who cannot name the three branches of government, you represent a fine part of the democrat voting base.
Wow, well said!
Hey willys36! “I really want to believe what is posted here but it just seems way too incredible to be true.”
I sympathize with your difficulty in belief, but you at least have the consolation of knowing that how you feel is pretty common. My brother says the same thing. “You would think some cub reporter would out them to make a name for himself!” My response is “If you know someone who has worked in the corporate media business (broadcast or print) ask them whether they were free to report whatever they thought correct or whether their managers and editors would over rule them.” There is a reason why the linked cartoon only ran once: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3JLKw0q4kY
As for where the “actual” temperature data comes from, most of it is online and downloadable. (If you want to study the process you might want to visit https://chiefio.wordpress.com/ and look around there.) The problem is that the publicized official analysis is based on “adjusted” data. What does adjusted mean? It means that it is not the measured data but has (theoretically) been corrected for known errors in the measurement process. How are those corrections done? No one will say… Litterally, they will not divulge the process by which the data is modified. They will give out vague and incomplete explanations, but nothing reproducible. It is possible that the adjustments are even correct. Possible, but very unlikely. Unlikely because the adjustments (and the adjustments to the adjustments, and the adjustments to the adjustments to the adjustments, etc.) do not fit the pattern expected for honest corrections. Instead they fit the pattern one would expect from people with political rather than scientific agendas.
It is difficult to admit to yourself that people whom you have trusted for scientific research and reporting are liars. The facts are the facts though, and I think that if you investigate the subject you will see that CAGW is a fraud. The good news, of course, is that billions will not die from a CO2 induced burning planet.
Yep, especially at these places and, there are many more: ABC News executive producer Ian Cameron is married to Susan Rice, National Security Adviser.
CBS President David Rhodes is the brother of Ben Rhodes, Obama’s Deputy National Security Adviser for Strategic Communications.
ABC News correspondent Claire Shipman is married to former White House Press Secretary Jay Carney.
ABC News and Univision reporter Matthew Jaffe is married to Katie Hogan, Obama’s Deputy Press Secretary.
ABC President Ben Sherwood is the brother of Obama’s Special Adviser Elizabeth Sherwood.
CNN President Virginia Moseley is married to former Hillary Clinton’s Deputy Secretary Tom Nides
David Pfeiffer Joins CNN (Shocking): http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/06/dan-pfeiffer-joins-cnn-as-contributor-207991.html
NBC General Counsel Kimberley D. Harris served as White House Deputy Counsel and Deputy Assistant to the President.
“If you know someone who has worked in the corporate media business (broadcast or print) ask them whether they were free to report whatever they thought correct or whether their managers and editors would over rule them.”
Or ask Sharyl Attkisson her opinion of mainstream media.
Willys36,
Here are some old comments and links on the subject of thermometers and adjustments. It will help bring you up to speed on why Realists do not like the ‘adjusted’ temperature record. (There is a LOT of information)
On Thermometer resolution, and ERROR
http://pugshoes.blogspot.se/2010/10/metrology.html
Old thermometer readings
TOBS
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2015/01/06/fixing-the-past-at-the-ministry-of-truth/#comment-477742
March of the Thermometers
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2015/01/18/how-gavin-cheated-to-create-the-required-talking-point/#comment-482838
Switch from glass to thermistors
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2015/01/19/hansen-and-mann-hiding-the-other-decline/#comment-483233
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2015/03/27/implausibly-deniable-propaganda-at-nsidc/#comment-510211
Move from LiG (Liquid in Glass) to modern equipment:
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2015/01/19/hansen-and-mann-hiding-the-other-decline/#comment-483233
start looking at the rate of change rather than exact temperature?
Henry, that is a good idea but has to be done with the raw data. The cooked data has been mangled way too much.
Gerald Roe used it in looking at the Milankovitch cycles and NIgel Calder did the same four decades earlier. link
…..
My gosh has it been five years since those were written? Seems like it was last year! Too Soon Old, Too Late Smart!
on http://www.tutiempo.net
I don’t really see much tampering
for example
Pretoria temperatures for AD 2000
http://www.tutiempo.net/clima/Pretoria/682620.htm
are
18.0 Av 25.8 (Max, av) 12.3 (Min, av)
which compares well with my initial results, recorded back in 2009
18.025 25.85 12.3
Hey Henry P! “I don’t really see much tampering for example Pretoria temperatures for AD 2000”
The climatologists have cooled the past and warmed the present. AD 2000 is just about the time where the adjustments equal zero.
http://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/ScreenHunter_10438-Sep.-16-04.21.gif
Hmmmm… wrong gif. Not sure why. Check graphics at https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2015/09/16/all-warming-since-1997-is-due-to-government-fraud/
CO2 Drives NCDC Data Tampering
https://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/screenhunter_3233-oct-01-22-59.gif
“Note the exponential growth of tampering, particularly over the past 15 years, which is very similar to the growth of CO2.
So I tried correlating the magnitude of the tampering with the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, and found almost perfect correlation – shown below.”
https://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/screenhunter_3233-oct-01-22-59.gif
This was supposed to be the first graph
https://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/screenhunter_3232-oct-01-22-58.gif?w=640
my data generally support warming until about 1995/1996
[even though average temps. seems to indicate that 1998 was the highest ever output from earth]
Gail, that is quite striking. Nice work.
agree with Bart
Who said: “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield …
Josef Goebbels.
its just a “State of Fear”
Excellent book, by the way…
Why do you think people are calling for the arrest of climate change deniers? When the entire environmental policy of the United States is built on a lie, the truth becomes the enemy of the State. The truth must be squashed at all costs. Is that something your want to fight against, or would you rather do a fluff piece and keep your job?
Try starting here and read the Sun series. The Climate crooks just want your cold cash.
http://www.suspicious0bservers.org/
They use temperature station data that needs “adjustment” yet those adjustments always seem to be away from the satellite data and always in the direction of “warming”. It’s adjusting the observation to match the prediction made from the hypothesis. Getting the scientific method backwards.
Why doesn’t some reporter “out” them?
Did you really just ask that on a blog reporting the skewing of data?
The days of journalists being the “mirror of society” and just reporting are long over. Today’s journalist has an agenda that is very deep (all political view points). It is no wonder journalists are down with politicians and used car salesmen as not credible.
Stephen Goddard is a kook.
It is just that simple.
That VD is affecting your mind. Your a gonna, here.
No data. No rebuttal. No sense.
Just a Vending Cart de Carrion.
h/t Snowleopard
Hussein and his minions lies?
Global “warming” is one of many…Actually Hussein lies every time he opens his mouth and his lips are moving!
Nice try willy, ” Where does the ‘actual’ data come from that refutes the Hussein minion’s seeming lies?” Is that the best that the DNC has to offer?
Willy! Can you do file, save? It’s their own data, with a time stamp. Except for the satellite data. Which they ignore, because they lack the ability to adjust, as with distributed thermometers. Try to get that data before “adjustments.”
if it was Nixon’s data they would
If you actually believe a) that ANY major news organization would go against the Gospel of MMGW, please rethink your expectations; b) that ANY reporter has a sufficient scientific education/background to understand any of this, prepare to be disappointed.
The left is losing badly on this MMGW. The most recent evidence is the call for “deniers” to be prosecuted (for what?) under RICO (talk about projection – it is the left that massages the data)
As always, with the left, when they cannot present a plausible fact based non-unicorn defense or their crazy talk, they call names, assassinate character or try to get people locked up.
Just think about the scientists who study this. They get paid to study “climate change” for a year. After a year and the grant money runs out, will they go and say “Hey we are all good, I don’t need anymore money. No problems here” Or will they say “OMG OMG OMG We are all going to die” I need more money to study this problem and find out when we will all die” What will get more research money?
Oh, and if global warming was such a huge problem, why was the name changed from something that can be proven false, to something that no matter what your data says is true. “Climate change”. What a generic term. How absurd is that. You don’t believe in “climate change” Uhh….I don’t think anyone denies climates change.
Willys36: You wrote, “If it is that available, you would think some Woodward and Bernstein cub reporter would out them to make a name for himself.”
You mean like all those corporate media reporters “outing the truth” about 9/11 or hoax attacks like Sandy Hook and the Boston Marathon?
The corporate media is nothing more than the public relations division of the international corporate elite, just as the government is the enforcement division.
Regarding Woodward and Bernstein: Richard Nixon had lost his usefulness to the international corporate elite because he was drinking heavily and becoming increasingly unstable. The corporate elite decided to get rid of Nixon and replace him with the always-reliable Gerald Ford, and used the government and the corporate media to do it.
Bob Woodward was former Naval Intelligence. While in Naval Intelligence, he worked for future CIA Director William Casey. Woodward was also an assistant to Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Thomas Moorer.
Washington Post owner Katherine Graham and Executive Editor Ben Bradlee where well-connected insiders who helped cover up the murder of John F. Kennedy. Graham and Bradleee would not do anything that the people in charge did not want them to do.
In 2005, Bob Woodward “revealed” that his “Deep Throat” source of information was former FBI Associate Director Mark Felt. Felt was an unimaginative order-follower — the furthest thing from a whistleblower — and if he provided any information, it was because he was told to by persons higher up the food chain.
The Watergate burglary was purposely botched. Former CIA agent James McCord needlessly taped and re-taped the door latch after the burglars were already in the office; the re-taped latch is what prompted Security Guard Frank Wills to call the police (the police allegedly also received an anonymous call reporting the burglary).
The result: Nixon was out, Gerald Ford was in, the public had a few new false heroes to distract them, and the Watergate Hearings reassured the public that by golly, the system works after all.
we are going a bit off topic now
but indeed, I believe your story
just as, for example,
the reality is that the big weapon manufacturers sit around the table every year to decide which country is going to be a war zone….
not realizing the misery they inflict on countless peoples (currently those in the middle east – before this it was Korea, Vietnam, Kosova, etc)
so I will continue to say that everyone who makes or support weapons’ manufacture are guilty of grave sin.
Henry P: You wrote, “. . . not realizing the misery they inflict on countless peoples.” They realize, but don’t care.
Does a shark have any guilt when it eats a dolphin? A shark eats a dolphin with no more guilt than you and I have when we drink a glass of water.
That is the way the international corporate elite sees us; it’s as if they were a different species altogether.
We are nothing more to them than a means to an end.
Johnny Kay
you might be interested in this: The Real George Bernard Shaw – Fabian Socialist and Hitlerian Advocate of Mass Murder
It shows exactly what you say. The few us as cattle.
(It keeps on getting yanked off the internet and then someone reposts it.)
Also this for those who do not believe the written word:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQvsf2MUKRQ
Thanks for the link.
Johnny
They did its called climategate… The scam is worse than you think. Babies exhale CO2. This gives green, liberal Nazis an excuse to limit children or worse kill in the name of saving their pagan gaia B.S.
Willys36: You wrote, “If it is that available, you would think some Woodward and Bernstein cub reporter would out them to make a name for himself.”
You mean like all those corporate media reporters “outing the truth” about the 9/11 false flag attack or the Sandy Hook and Boston Marathon hoax attacks?
The corporate media is nothing more than the public relations division of the international corporate elite, just as the government is the enforcement division.
Regarding Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein, the real story of Watergate is far different from that of popular imagination. President Richard Nixon had lost his usefulness to the international corporate elite because he was drinking heavily and becoming increasingly erratic. The corporate elite decided to get rid of Nixon and used the corporate media to do it. When Nixon resigned on August 9, 1974, he was replaced by his vice president, the ever-reliable Gerald Ford — former member of the Warren Commission and champion of the notorious “single-bullet theory”.
Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward was former Naval Intelligence. While in Naval Intelligence, he worked for future CIA Director William Casey. Woodward was also an assistant to Admiral Thomas Moorer, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Washington Post owner Katherine Graham and Executive Editor Ben Bradlee were well-connected insiders who helped cover up the murders of John F. Kennedy and Mary Pinchot Meyer. Graham and Bradlee would not do anything that the people in charge did not want them to do.
In 2005, Bob Woodward “revealed” that his “Deep Throat” source of information was former FBI Associate Director Mark Felt. Felt was an unimaginative order-follower — the furthest thing from a whistleblower. If Mark Felt provided any information to Woodward, it was because he was following the orders of someone higher up the food chain.
The Watergate burglary was purposely botched. Former CIA agent James McCord needlessly taped and then re-taped the door latch after the burglars were already in the office; the re-taped latch is what prompted Security Guard Frank Wills to call the police (the police also allegedly received an anonymous call reporting the burglary).
Former CIA agent Alexander Butterfield then revealed to the Watergate Committee the existence of the White House taping system. . .
The result: Nixon was out, Gerald Ford was in, the public had a few new fake heroes to distract them, and the Watergate Hearings reassured the public that by golly, the system works after all.
Nothing about Watergate was what it seemed. The corporate media jumped on Nixon because the corporate elite wanted him out. Watergate was not a validation of the power of the free press against the “system”; Watergate was a demonstration of just how firmly entrenched “the system” is.
Willys36: You wrote, “If it is that available, you would think some Woodward and Bernstein cub reporter would out them to make a name for himself.”
You mean like all those corporate media reporters “outing the truth” about the 9/11 false flag attack or the Sandy Hook and Boston Marathon hoax attacks?
The corporate media is nothing more than the public relations division of the international corporate elite, just as the government is the enforcement division.
Regarding Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein, the real story of Watergate is far different from that of popular imagination. President Richard Nixon had lost his usefulness to the international corporate elite because he was drinking heavily and becoming increasingly erratic. The corporate elite decided to get rid of Nixon and used the corporate media to do it. When Nixon resigned on August 9, 1974, he was replaced by his vice president, the ever-reliable Gerald Ford — former member of the Warren Commission and champion of the notorious “single-bullet theory”.
Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward was former Naval Intelligence. While in Naval Intelligence, he worked for future CIA Director William Casey. Woodward was also an assistant to Admiral Thomas Moorer, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Washington Post owner Katherine Graham and Executive Editor Ben Bradlee were well-connected insiders who helped cover up the murders of John F. Kennedy and Mary Pinchot Meyer. Graham and Bradlee would not do anything that the people in charge did not want them to do.
In 2005, Bob Woodward “revealed” that his “Deep Throat” source of information was former FBI Associate Director Mark Felt. Felt was an unimaginative order-follower — the furthest thing from a whistleblower. If Mark Felt provided any information to Woodward, it was because he was following the orders of someone higher up the food chain.
The Watergate burglary was purposely botched. Former CIA agent James McCord needlessly taped and then re-taped the door latch after the burglars were already in the office; the re-taped latch is what prompted Security Guard Frank Wills to call the police (the police also allegedly received an anonymous call reporting the burglary).
Former CIA agent Alexander Butterfield then revealed to the Watergate Committee the existence of the White House taping system. . .
The result: Nixon was out, Gerald Ford was in, the public had a few new fake heroes to distract them, and the Watergate Hearings reassured the public that by golly, the system works after all.
Nothing about Watergate was what it seemed. The corporate media jumped on Nixon because the corporate elite wanted him out. Watergate was not a validation of the power of the free press against the “system”; Watergate was a demonstration of just how firmly entrenched “the system” is.
the cooling trend is evident from looking at minima [or maxima]
https://i0.wp.com/oi62.tinypic.com/33kd6k2.jpg
as found by me
obviously,
I am thinking by myself that anyone with a little intelligence could see that the climate change trend is natural,
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/sidc-ssn/from:1972/to:2016/offset:10/trend/plot/sidc-ssn/from:1927/to:2016/plot/sidc-ssn/from:1927/to:1972/trend/plot/sidc-ssn/from:1927/to:2016/trend
meaning that conditions similar to the dust bowl drought 1932-1939
http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/res/div/ocp/drought/dust_storms.shtml
will be coming upon us (the USA) in about 6 years from now.
Maybe having an UN accord on climate change might be a good thing to have once widespread drought disaster sets in?
[I am thinking as a politician here]
Sorry that first link with to the page this one goes right to the story: http://www.investigatemagazine.co.nz/Investigate/17255/un-and-oxfam-caught-bribing-journalists-to-write-climate-change-scare-stories/
Well,
Here’s another “global-warming” fanatic to go after:
http://publicfuturesblog.com/
And he’s right here in Boise, Idaho – of all places!
From Dr. John Luthy’s blog:
* * Despite the twisted and inaccurate fulminations of climate deniers, we are experiencing a serious decline of water resources in the western U.S. that will have enormous economic repercussions. It is not so much that some refuse to recognize drought when they see it, or that they can’t seem to grasp the origin of well-proven causative factors that frustrates and confounds. The greater concern is that the volume and passion of their denial will inhibit real progress toward solutions. Those of us who deal with strategic planning understand that declining water resources is a legacy issue. Whatever decisions we make or don’t make now will haunt many future generations. * *
This guy also blames the unemployed and poor for BEING unemployed and poor by their OWN faults! ! !
Right now,
He apparently has some (legal) skeletons in HIS closet that need bringing out.
Later folks.
This from the same group that is busy tearing down dams and letting water flow to the sea instead of into farm fields or houses.
These people are not stupid they are pure evil in their pursuit of money, power and human deaths.
From the Christian Science Monitor of all places!
Setting rivers free: As dams are torn down, nature is quickly recovering
Water is also an issue that the United Nations has on the back burner as a prodding stick.
I am assuming you are referring to the general “climate” crowd? (Even more so, the so-called “environMENTALists”?)
Seems that most of the drying out of subsurface water tables can be directly traced to the destruction of farming and irrigated agriculture in any specific area. I have noticed this trend over the years that our local farming was displaced by concrete and asphalt development of shopping malls, business complexes, and over-priced housing subdivisions. This being no different from the areas of California that had farmers convert over to “drip-irrigation”, and the resulting drying out of those areas. The irrigation is what fed the water tables, and what also defined the micro-climates of those areas. – Any “climate scientist” worth a damn would easily recognize this!
Didn’t you really want to say “…worth a dam”?
? ? ?
The West has had mega droughts in the past and this is entirely normal and some of these mega droughts happened during cold cycles. This is how all the trees, cacti, animals,etc all evolved into present forms.
But back during the Ice Ages, mastodons and saber tooth tigers and giant trees grew where there is now desert (visit Painted Forest in the desert to see examples of this!).
That would be the Petrified Forest which is adjacent to the Painted Desert wouldn’t it?
Less than a dozen places in the US where one can find petrified wood and the Petrified Forest in Arizona is by far the best I’ve seen. Beautiful colors and patterns. Now down near Bastrop, TX one can find petrified wood but it is all red from the iron oxide and though interesting I wouldn’t call it beautiful.
Don’t forget that the South West is littered with the remains of past civilizations that simply vanished, most likely due to climate change, hundreds of years before the first Europeans walked on these shores. You can see the cliff dwellings that remain throughout Arizona and Colorado and the Four Corners region in general. Drought is the most likely cause for the abandonment of these sites.
Thank you, Steven, for having the ability to see and communicate deception that is almost beyond comprehension.
Thanks to your efforts, today there’s HOPE! These AGW promoter sites have now endorsed the need for rigorous honesty in science:
https://businessblogsbysamtumblin.wordpress.com/2015/09/18/david-attenborough-backs-huge-apollo-style-clean-energy-research-plan/
https://jpratt27.wordpress.com/2015/09/17/17-global-goals-auspol-canningvotes-yeswecanning/
https://jpratt27.wordpress.com/2015/09/18/david-attenborough-backs-huge-apollo-style-clean-energy-research-plan/
Other issues can be resolved if we can agree “Stalin’s lock-step science“ is seriously flawed and must be corrected.
https://brittius.wordpress.com/2015/08/16/dr-o-manuel-ph-d-stalins-science/
Oliver,
You will appreciate this one: (H/T to Tony from Oz)
Putin: Obama “Idiot” For Adopting Socialism
Putin’s [actual] speech at Davos World Economic Forum
CLIMATE CHANGE
I really don’t care side is correct. There is really nothing we can do about it that will make any substantial difference at the present time.. Solar, windmills, etc.
NOTHING..
But you can do something now without trying to fix ‘CLIMATE CHANGE”.
Live with and and change the present. Build barriers for increased water height height for examples. Mass or small migrations to better places . People did it all the time. Remember Westward HO??
Within 20 years I guarantee we have better technology to better handle the situation.
I am sure this post will not change 1 person’s mind.
You are for or against just like previous discussions; witches, flat earth, etc.and noone can change your minds until it does or does not happen.
Change minds? Forget about that; I agree with you; time we started thinking for ourselves, and ignoring those who are trying to sell us loads of poles.
What can I say. When I opened my College science text book last year and found the key word “Climate Change” being used 20 times in the first chapter alone, I realized that the climate war has been lost. ….and we all know that when something makes it to the text book, it is considered to be truth. The “young skulls full of mush” will gobble this up as truth. The liberals made sure that their propaganda was integrated into academics because there they could nurture and indoctrinate kids.
You are spot on! Using “the environment” to extort taxes from WORKERS and “redistribute wealth” to Socialist government’s “entitlement” classes that support them politically has been going on for decades. Communists 60 years ago figured out that almost no one will complain about a government that bleeds them dry financially under the auspices of trying to “save the planet”…….
“I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.”
~Thomas Jefferson
Yes, the young have been conditioned to believe this garbage, and many do…but not all. Climate change is a pawn on the chess board. The real goal is always hidden behind the curtain, and it has to with creating a global government with totalitarian control. The messages are clear; Human beings need vaccinations, and lots of them… or death is certain. The crazed gunmen will never go away until we all give up our guns. Climate change will kill all life on earth in fifty years unless we give up our cars, air conditioning, meat-eating etc. The main source of all the propaganda? U.N. Agenda 21.
Yep it really is no different than Obamacare. Just aimed at taking over a different sector of the economy. Here is the most succinct and simple description of what the Obamacare did/does that I’ve found and it’s accurate:
Great summary by a Notre Dame University engineer.
Here are the 10,535 pages of Obama Care condensed to 4 simple sentences..
As humorous as it sounds…..every last word is absolutely TRUE!
1. In order to insure the uninsured, we first have to un-insure the insured.
2. Next, we require the newly un-insured to be re-insured.
3. To re-insure the newly un-insured, they are required to pay extra charges to be re-insured.
4. The extra charges are required so that the original insured,who became un-insured, and then became re-insured, can pay enough extra so that the original un- insured can be insured, so it will be ‘free-of-charge’ to them.
Every now and then – a genius speaks.
rah, this was absolutely the best summary of president Doofus’s signature fraud health care plan he rammed down our throats!
First, the raw data set is so large, it’s hard to get it. It’s all the correction and adjustment factors that they apply that let them get the result they want.
Why? Quite simply, it’s all about money. Yours and mine. I sold some of the most sensitive trace gas and trace isotopic analysis analyzers for “greenhouse gases” to worldwide universities. I learned quickly that asking a question like “isn’t water vapor the major IR absorbing component in the atmosphere”, or “could the raise of ocean temperatures from natural causes be releasing the dissolved CO2 into the atmosphere?” were heretical- like going to a Baptist convention and asking about communion being the true body of Christ- it’s a religious and feeling argument.
At the macro economic level, it’s all about money. Al Gore went from a net worth in 1990 of 2 million to almost 1/2 to 3/4 billion dollars today. Carbon credits makes money for people. it’s all about money and power.
It is dumbfounding to me that people can’t look at the raw data and see for themselves that historically, in most instances, rise in temperature precedes CO2 increases. Which supports you assertion entirely.
@Billy the Sceptic
I am particularly mad at those promoting “nuclear energy” (NE) as a good replacement for burning fossil fuels, as, by my [rational] thinking mind, NE does not reduce GH gas emissions. Here in South Africa, all the fish around the NE simply died or wandered off, as a result of the [hot] water being released by cooling operations.
More heat in water + sunshine/heat = more H2O (g) in the atmosphere.
Isn’t H2O is stronger GH gas than CO2???
Henery P,
They should use that extra heat to desalinize sea water instead of killing fish.
http://www.technologyreview.com/featuredstory/534996/megascale-desalination/
http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/Non-Power-Nuclear-Applications/Industry/Nuclear-Desalination/
Seems to me South Africa could use more potable water.
http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/afr(pre.gif
The AGW scammers cannot stop screaming about the science as the data is changed as needed, which is not science at all. But they are only speaking to those too lazy to actually understand the scam and the simple minded.
Kind of like OBAMACARE “rules”?
What is fascinating is that the models are no longer being manipulated to try to match temperature. They are now manipulating the temperature to match the erroneous models.
You made Drudge.
Yes, he did. So did Kevin Trenberth and The Team:
https://coloradowellington.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/drudge-juxtaposition-noaa-fraud-by-steven-goddard-rico-prosecution-by-kevin-trenberth.png
http://www.iges.org/letter/LetterPresidentAG.pdf
Will Boulder also file a lawsuit against skeptics for causing the ‘Great Colorado Flood’?
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http://www.dailycamera.com/news/ci_28759325/two-years-out-lessons-still-being-drawn-from-great-colorado-flood
For those of you born after the ’70s, all the experts at that time where saying we are gradually approaching another ice age and can expect massive food shortages worldwide as crop production will keep diminishing over the centuries. If you want to worry about something, global cooling is the real killer, not global warming. Warming would actually mean more worldwide food production. But as it is the northern hemisphere is actually in a cooling trend, and there’s been no global warming for the last 19 years or so. Just sayin.’
The Ice ages/70s predictions came after the 60’s, in which the population was exploding and we could not feed all those people and we’re all gonna die. Now it seems to be AGW – the big one – with population control and food production all together and we’re all gonna die…Follow the money.
“all the experts at that time where saying we are gradually approaching another ice age”
Actually there were just a half-dozen papers suggesting that possibility and some lurid headlines in popular magazines. The vast majority of climate scientists at the time believed that the Earth was warming. It was, and it still is.
You have no idea what you are talking about, and are spreading misinformation.
There were a whole heap of panicky “cooling” papers.. because it was cooling and the panic meer-cheants had to have their say. !
It warmed a bit out of the LIA, even kept going after the “official” end.. thank goodness.
But NO, it isn’t still warming.. It hasn’t “warmed” this century.
Yes, Gavin’s GISS has shown increasing temperatures.. but that is a fabrication to meet a political agenda.
The REAL problem is that idiots like you fall for it !!!
The 1974 CIA report:
“A Study of Climatological Research as it Pertains to Intelligence Problems”
http://www.climatemonitor.it/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/1974.pdf
Past time to kill big gov.
Follow the money.
Science rarely proves anything, and if it does, it is just an anecdotal result.
Not a coincidence that it is always an “international team” of scientists, and the solution they call for is for the US to pay other countries.
Has any “Warmer” attempted to explain why the 1978 NY Times article was wrong?
Damn, its hot, but I live in Texas
The Earth’s average temperature has been stable for 21 years, even as CO2 has continued to climb. CO2 as “pollution” is bunk, perpetuated for the purpose of “redistributing wealth”. The CO2 level on Earth is currently 400 microatmospheres. In past time periods (e.g.- Jurassic period), sometimes thousands of years long, it has been anywhere from 6,000 to 30,000 microatmospheres. In fact, during the 4,000 YEAR long Holocene Climate Optimum, the planet was almost five (5) degrees (F) WARMER than it is now! Somehow, the planet didn’t “boil over” as Al Gore (the man who travels exclusively by SUV convoy/limousine/private jet and is living alone in a 9 bedroom, 6 fireplace mansion (w/ heated outdoor pool & jacuzzi, natch) implies will happen. Now THAT’S an “inconvenient truth”……
Stalin would be impressed!
IF ANY OF YOU LIVED SOMEWHERE OTHER THAN UNDER A ROCK, YOU WOULD HAVE READ 3 MONTHS AGO THAT AN INVESTIGATION OF THE CLIMATE DATA RECORDS AT NOAA HAD BEEN ILLEGALLY TAMPERED WITH AND ILLEGALLY CHANGED TO SHOW WARMING TRENT SINCE 1930, THE FEDERAL INVESTIGATOR STATED THAT THE RECORDS WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN NOTICED AS FALSIFIED EXCEPT THAT AN UNKNOWN BACKUP COPY OF THEM WAS STORED ON A DISCRET SERVER, WHEN THE DATA WAS AUDITED DEFINATE ILLEGAL CHANGES WERE VERIFIED, AN ONGOING INVESTIGATION INTO WHO DID IT WAS STATED.
PEOPLE, THE CLIMATE CHANGE ORGINATORS ARE SOCIALIST EUROPEAN ORGANIZED CRIME FIGURES OF THE HIGHEST LEVELS, POWERFUL PEOPLE, WHO HAVE SET THIS ENTIRE SCAM UP TO FLEECE COUNTRYS OF THEIR WEALTH, USING THE DUMB, STUPID, IGNORANT LIBERALS OF THE WORLD AS THEIR PAWNS, PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST PLAIN..
DIRT STUPIT…. AND CAN BE MANIPULATED..EASILY…. FOR ANY WHACKJOB CAUSE…
IS THEIR GLOBAL WARMING, HELL YES, IT HAPPENS EVERY DAY WHEN THE SUN RISES YOU IMBECILE LIBERAL IDIOTS !!!! IT HAPPENS ON A MORE INTENSE TIME CYCLE EVERY CERTAIN AMOUNT OF YEARS.. THEN YOU HAVE THE COOLING CYCLE…FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF YEARS…. THAT.. IS VERIFIED UNDENIABLE SCIENTIFIC FACT…
YOU NEED TO ASK YOURSELFS… WHY ARE PEOPLE MODIFIYING CLIMATE DATA… WHO THE HELL WOULD CARE HOW COOL OR HOT IT WAS 40 YRS AGO… ONLY 2 SETS OF PEOPLE, THOSE THAT HONESTLY WANT TO PREDICT WEATHER PATTERNS FOR THINGS LIKE AGRICULTURE, AND THOSE THAT WANT TO USE IT TO MANIPULATE WORLD SCAMS
BASED ON IT…
GLOBAL WARMING IS A HIGHLY ORGNAIZED PILE OF HORSESHIT DESIGNED TO REDISTIBUTE WEALTH FROM YOU..AND YOURS… TO THEM AND THEIRS….
JUST FOLLOW THE MONEY PEOPLE…. SEE WHERE IT ENDS UP AFTER THEY HAVE FLEECED YOUR COUNTRY IN THE NAME OF GLOBAL WARMING AND TAKEN YOUR MONEY… LOOK WHERE IT ALL ENDS UP ….AT THE END OF THE PIPE….
IN THEIR POCKET…. NOT YOURS…
AND NOT A DAM THING CAN BE DONE ABOUT THE WEATHER NO MATTER WHAT IT IS…
MOTHER NATURE IS IN CONTROL OF THAT… IF YOU DONT BELIVE IT…JUST WATCH SOMEONE TRY TO STOP THE NEXT TYPHOON, EARTHQUAKE, MONSOON, TORNADO, HAIL STORM, HURRICANE… SUN DROUGHT, EXTREEMLY COLD WINTER, OR EVEN MILD
WINTER…
IT CANT BE DONE IMBECILES !!!!!!!!!!! GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM AND MONEY FLEECING HOAX …
NUFF SAID.
Hey X- dude.. Can you please use lower case.. All upper is a pita to read
I read the opening and just skipped it.
It read like a nut case wrote it.
Unlike the Help-Iran-Fund-Terror-and-Build-The-Bomb “Bill”, can anyone in the US Senate make sure that the Help-Barack-Obama-Make-Energy-Prices-Skyrocket-As-Promised agreement be treated like a TREATY.
P.S. Are you still in the US Senate Mr. Inhofe? Is there any Congressional oversight anymore?
I had a friend who taught a science division at a university and fully believed in global warming and we had many debates about until the computer hack into the global warming scientist computer.
When confronted with the evidence that the data was manipulated she excused it by saying scientists do this all the time but in the end it doesn’t matter because they are trying to save the environment.
Basically, the end justifies the means. It doesn’t matter how much they have to lie, cheat, or steal as long as it accomplishes the goal. And what is the goal? Redistribution of wealth. Punish the rich and successful with more taxes and give it away to poor countries.
Just the way liberals hide what their real agenda is because if you really knew what they were doing behind the scenes, you’d never agree to it.
“Ends Justify the Means”… where have I heard that before?
Obama’s entire Presidency is buit around the concept that “Ends Justify the Means”!!
We have seen how well stealing from the producers to give to the non-productive works. “If Obama Had A City, It Would Look Like Detroit”
http://images.onset.freedom.com/ocregister/article/mq7c78-b781144905z.120130719140351000gbm1evamv.1.jpg
(I want this as a sweat shirt)
Motown no more
Motor city. The house that the Democrats built. http://www.seedetroit.com/pictures/urbandecay/
Hiroshima now: http://photobucket.com/images/Hiroshima+today/
Proof that Democrat corruption and policies are far more destructive than an atomic bomb!
I’m sure Barry has them in a headlock similar to all the other agencies. Regardless, here is a little secret NOAA….no one believes this hoax.
Thete seems to be no limit to the corruption and dissemination of lies by this Obama Administration. They follow the same game plan when computing the unemployment calculations as they do for their “climate change” agenda. Cooking the real numbers to fit the narrative to fit their within the framework of the lies. There seems no limit they will go to in order to obfuscate the truth from the American people. Making matters worse is the corrupt media that has been bought off by the White House to perpetuate the lies further. This it s all in trying to garner support for a Carbon Tax, that will line their pockets and finance the emergence of third world countries. Hopefully with the election of a Republican President an overhaul of EPA l all other associated departments will bring an end to this madness. There is little doubt that the Earth is in a warming trend but has been doing that since the beginning of time.
Dennis,
Actually the earth is in a long term cooling trend.
65 Million Years of Cooling
http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/lappi/65_Myr_Climate_Change_Rev.jpg
5 Million Years of Cooling
http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/lappi/Five_Myr_Climate_Change_Rev.jpg
(Note that the earth is now in a bimodal oscillation pattern and at this point cooling is the more likely.)
10,000 Years of Cooling
http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/lappi/gisp-last-10000-new.png
The End Holocene? by geologist William McClenney
Mr. McClenney is a California Licensed Professional Geologist and Registered Environmental Assessor. He was also appointed the first Certified Environmental Auditor in Victoria, Australia in 1991, empowered to sign-off on contaminated site cleanups. He has been investigating and cleaning up hazardous waste sites for 22 years.
William has a keen interest in the geology of ice age cycles and has done a massive amount of research and readiing on the subject. (He forwarded over three hundred papers on quaternary Science to me.)
Dennis says
There is little doubt that the Earth is in a warming trend but has been doing that since the beginning of time.
Henry says
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/09/hockey-stick-observed-in-noaa-ice-core-data/
I think you are just lucky? I think we are blessed [by God] with the warmth….
A Republican President gave us the Patriot Act.
Left wing or Right wing it doesn’t matter because they belong to the same beast.
RobertV: I agree. Too many of us focus on Barack Obama and the Democrats as the cause of the decay and deterioration we see around us. Barack Obama is a manufactured president and a non-ideological front man for the international corporate elite. He initiates nothing and decides nothing.
The actions taken in Obama’s name and the direction in which the country is being steered are not motivated by Obama or the Democrats, but by the economic imperatives of the international corporate elite. Obama was selected to be the President by the international corporate elite because the corporate elite decided a glib, mixed-race male “Democrat” would best serve its agenda at this time.
Don’t be fooled by the Democrat vs. Republican paradigm fed to us by the corporate media — both parties are just different sides of the same coin. The Democrat/Republican, Liberal/Conservative, Left/Right conflict, the bickering and the “partisanship”, is just a charade. Sure, one party may pretend to favor Gays or Blacks or Mexicans and the other may pretend to favor God, but that is just a ruse to distract us and make us believe we have control over things.
When Barack Obama became President in 2009, he continued without interruption the policies of his predecessor in office, fellow non-ideological front man George W. Bush. Democrats and Republicans all approve the same health care policies, the same economic policies, the same bank bailouts; they all support the fake wars and the fake enemies (ISIS and al Qaeda); they all cooperate with the false flag and hoax attacks; and they all support “immigration reform” — open borders with Mexico.
Democrats and Republicans all play for the same team and are all paid by the same people, They do what they are told.
It has been over 100 years since we had a real president and not a puppet.
Even Reagan did his bit of damage to the USA with the Leveraged Buyout feeding frenzy that took good solid US corporations WITH NO DEBT and either tore them apart and sold the assets or saddled them with crippling debt.
Gail Combs: You wrote, “It has been over 100 years since we had a real president and not a puppet.”
What about JFK? I always thought those in charge expected him to be a puppet — and judging by his early cabinet appointments, he seemed to be.
But then he changed. He planned to withdraw from Vietnam, he stood up to the CIA, he stood up to Israel (he did not want Israel to build a nuclear bomb), and he stood up to the Federal Reserve (he directed the Treasury Department to issue Silver Certificate currency). The result of this was Dallas. . .
Johnny Kay … What about JFK,…..
And then he was assassinated.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/11/21/kennedy-assassination-november-22-1963-50-years-later/
People Who Opposed the Central Banking Scheme
US Presidents Murdered By The
Rothschild Banking Cartel
Note that the Civil War ended in 1865 and thanks to the Czar of Russia, France and England did not get the chance to step in and Annex the parts left bleeding and defenseless.
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A bit about Russian Czars after the US Civil War
In the summer of 1864, Nikolay became engaged to Princess Dagmar of Denmark. In 1865 he died of Tuberculous meningitis at age 22.
Alexander III died at 49 from liver failure in November 1, 1894 leaving his heir completely untrained or fit for rule. Nicholas II inherited at age 26 .
The Bolsheviks shot all the Rominovs on July 17, 1918 AFTER Nicholas II abdicated the throne in 1917. Queen Elizabeth II’s grandfather (George V) – refused him and his family asylum in Britain despite the fact his wife was a granddaughter of Queen Victoria as was George V.
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ABORT NOAA
Defund it
“Calculating so-called global average temperatures to hundredths of a degree is irrational. After all, there is very little data for the 70 percent of Earth’s surface that is ocean. There is also little data for mountainous and desert regions, not to mention the Antarctic. Much of the coverage is so sparse that NASA is forced to make the ridiculous claim that regions are adequately covered if there is a temperature-sensing station within nearly 750 miles. This is the distance between Ottawa, Canada, and Myrtle Beach, S.C. cities with very different climates. Yet, according to NASA, only one temperature sensing station is necessary for the two cities and the vast area between them to be adequately represented in their network.”
And that does not even take into account the energy bound in water vapor as the heat of vaporization.
Because of this the highest and lowest temperatures are in the driest places on earth. Water vapor modifies the temperature.
I took a quick look at the humid Brazilian rain forest, Barcelos, Brazil, and the dry N. African Desert, Adrar, Algeria.
The effect of the addition of water vapor (~ 4%) is not to raise the temperature but to even the temperature out. The monthly high is 10C lower and the monthly low is ~ 10C higher when the water vapor is added to the atmosphere in this example. The average temperature is about 4C lower in Brazil despite the fact Algeria is further north above the tropic of Cancer. Some of the difference is from the effect of clouds/albedo but the dramatic effect on the temperature extremes is also from the humidity.
In other words temperature is a lousy method of determining the energy in the atmosphere.
Gail says
temperature is a lousy method of determining the energy in the atmosphere.
after lillyboy says
Calculating so-called global average temperatures to hundredths of a degree is irrational.
Henry says
sorry
have to disagree, see my graph here,
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2015/09/17/noaa-massively-ramps-up-their-temperature-fraud-ahead-of-paris/comment-page-1/#comment-541203
I found perfect correlation with temperature, maxima/minima e.g.
a) Gleissberg constant (87 -88 year cycle)
b) position of planets
c) decrease in solar polar magnetic field strength,
d) natural ozone/peroxide manufacture TOA
etc
indeed, we [real climate scientists] do look at very small shifts in temperature globally to be able to make assessments and assertions,
namely that currently the world is COOLING instead of warming
yet the sun is now brighter/hotter
go figure
Heny P, temperature is a lousy method because it is an extrinsic property not intrinsic property.
This does not mean you can not use temperature to obtain useful knowledge. You can use tree rings, stalactites, plants, ice cores sea bed cores…. all can be used to give you an indication of past climate. Extrinsic just means it is a proxy for the property you actually want to study and you need to remember that. It also means temperature is neither accurate nor precise. At least not to the degree the ClimAstrologists would lead us to believe.
Temperature measuring devices were not capable of measuring to better than perhaps .5 deg F and with some margin of error due to inaccuracies of manufacture, lack of calibration across the readable range of the device and reading inaccuracies by those logging the temperature readings not to mention very poor siting in many cases.
This paper estimate error bands:
http://www.eike-klima-energie.eu/uploads/media/E___E_algorithm_error_07-Limburg.pdf
Then there is the very poor statistics of using the ‘statistics of large numbers’ to increase accuracy and precision when the actual sample size is ONE. You are not making repeated measurements of the SAME chunk of air but a unique measurement of many many chunks of air.
Hi Gail
remember always to look at the rate of change in temperature – this eliminates a lot of error due to poor instruments and poor calibration.
In all of my life as a chemist I always used 4 points to make my graph….
https://i0.wp.com/oi62.tinypic.com/33kd6k2.jpg
is it not obvious why I can relate this graph to the strength of the solar polar field strengths?
http://oi61.tinypic.com/16gmjbd.jpg
I wonder if you already know why albedo is increasing?
https://i2.wp.com/oi61.tinypic.com/ju7fw9.jpg
Global Warming, Just another tax except this time it will be a Global Tax paid to the United Nations in addition to each energy user in the USA will pay the state and federal government. The environmentalists are so stupid that they do not realize that they are the targets also.
‘The environmentalists ‘ are just the brown shirts in the game.
Lets talk about data manipulation. Your chart that shows a decline in global temperature conveniently starts in 1997 to include the el Nino event. More further into the past even a little bit and the decline disappears. Exclude the el Nino event and the decline disappears.
Think curve not straight line. The climate runs in cycles and 1997 was a peak.
ALBEDO also shows a switch around 1997 as does the solar cycles. (Cycle 23, a decline from cycle 22 started in 1997.)
https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/earth_albedo_bbso.png?w=640
Cycle 22 and cycle 23
Exclude the El Nino event , which added 0.26ºC to atmospheric temperatures, and there is basically ZERO warming in the whole of the satellite record. !!!
http://woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1979/plot/rss/from:2001.2/trend/plot/rss/from:1979/to:1997/trend/plot/rss/from:2001.2/trend/offset:-.26
The only way you can get any warming is by including the El Nino… which is of course what any good little alarmista propagandist does… even though it had nothing to do with CO2.
There is NO CO2 WARMING SIGNATURE in the whole of the satellite temperature record.
Hey! Hey! Hey! Not a smidgen.
There is most certainly a pattern to climate change…
…but it’s not what you may think:
For at least 114 years, climate “scientists” have been claiming that the climate was going to kill us…but they have kept switching whether it was a coming ice age, or global warming.
1895 – Geologists Think the World May Be Frozen Up Again – New York Times, February 1895
1902 – “Disappearing Glaciers…deteriorating slowly, with a persistency that means their final annihilation…scientific fact…surely disappearing.” – Los Angeles Times
1912 – Prof. Schmidt Warns Us of an Encroaching Ice Age – New York Times, October 1912
1923 – “Scientist says Arctic ice will wipe out Canada” – Professor Gregory of Yale University, American representative to the Pan-Pacific Science Congress, – Chicago Tribune
1923 – “The discoveries of changes in the sun’s heat and the southward advance of glaciers in recent years have given rise to conjectures of the possible advent of a new ice age” – Washington Post
1924 – MacMillan Reports Signs of New Ice Age – New York Times, Sept 18, 1924
1929 – “Most geologists think the world is growing warmer, and that it will continue to get warmer” – Los Angeles Times, in Is another ice age coming?
1932 – “If these things be true, it is evident, therefore that we must be just teetering on an ice age” – The Atlantic magazine, This Cold, Cold World
1933 – America in Longest Warm Spell Since 1776; Temperature Line Records a 25-Year Rise – New York Times, March 27th, 1933
1933 – “…wide-spread and persistent tendency toward warmer weather…Is our climate changing?” – Federal Weather Bureau “Monthly Weather Review.”
1938 – Global warming, caused by man heating the planet with carbon dioxide, “is likely to prove beneficial to mankind in several ways, besides the provision of heat and power.”– Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society
1938 – “Experts puzzle over 20 year mercury rise…Chicago is in the front rank of thousands of cities thuout the world which have been affected by a mysterious trend toward warmer climate in the last two decades” – Chicago Tribune
1939 – “Gaffers who claim that winters were harder when they were boys are quite right… weather men have no doubt that the world at least for the time being is growing warmer” – Washington Post
1952 – “…we have learned that the world has been getting warmer in the last half century” – New York Times, August 10th, 1962
1954 – “…winters are getting milder, summers drier. Glaciers are receding, deserts growing” – U.S. News and World Report
1954 – Climate – the Heat May Be Off – Fortune Magazine
1959 – “Arctic Findings in Particular Support Theory of Rising Global Temperatures” – New York Times
1969 – “…the Arctic pack ice is thinning and that the ocean at the North Pole may become an open sea within a decade or two” – New York Times, February 20th, 1969
1969 – “If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000” — Paul Ehrlich (while he now predicts doom from global warming, this quote only gets honorable mention, as he was talking about his crazy fear of overpopulation)
1970 – “…get a good grip on your long johns, cold weather haters – the worst may be yet to come…there’s no relief in sight” – Washington Post
1974 – Global cooling for the past forty years – Time Magazine
1974 – “Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age” – Washington Post
1974 – “As for the present cooling trend a number of leading climatologists have concluded that it is very bad news indeed” – Fortune magazine, who won a Science Writing Award from the American Institute of Physics for its analysis of the danger
1974 – “…the facts of the present climate change are such that the most optimistic experts would assign near certainty to major crop failure…mass deaths by starvation, and probably anarchy and violence” – New York Times
Cassandras are becoming
increasingly apprehensive,
for the weather
aberrations they are
studying may be the
harbinger of another
ice age
1975 – Scientists Ponder Why World’s Climate is Changing; A Major Cooling Widely Considered to Be Inevitable – New York Times, May 21st, 1975
1975 – “The threat of a new ice age must now stand alongside nuclear war as a likely source of wholesale death and misery for mankind” Nigel Calder, editor, New Scientist magazine, in an article in International Wildlife Magazine
1976 – “Even U.S. farms may be hit by cooling trend” – U.S. News and World Report
1981 – Global Warming – “of an almost unprecedented magnitude” – New York Times
1988 – I would like to draw three main conclusions. Number one, the earth is warmer in 1988 than at any time in the history of instrumental measurements. Number two, the global warming is now large enough that we can ascribe with a high degree of confidence a cause and effect relationship to the greenhouse effect. And number three, our computer climate simulations indicate that thegreenhouse effect is already large enough to begin to effect the probability of extreme events such as summer heat waves. – Jim Hansen, June 1988 testimony before Congress, see His later quote and His superior’s objection for context
1989 -“On the one hand, as scientists we are ethically bound to the scientific method, in effect promising to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but – which means that we must include all doubts, the caveats, the ifs, ands and buts. On the other hand, we are not just scientists but human beings as well. And like most people we’d like to see the world a better place, which in this context translates into our working to reduce the risk of potentially disastrous climate change. To do that we need to get some broad based support, to capture the public’s imagination. That, of course, means getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have. This “double ethical bind” we frequently find ourselves in cannot be solved by any formula. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest. I hope that means being both.” – Stephen Schneider, lead author of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, Discover magazine, October 1989
1990 – “We’ve got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing – in terms of economic policy and environmental policy” – Senator Timothy Wirth
1993 – “Global climate change may alter temperature and rainfall patterns, many scientists fear, with uncertain consequences for agriculture.” – U.S. News and World Report
1998 – No matter if the science [of global warming] is all phony . . . climate change [provides] the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.” —Christine Stewart, Canadian Minister of the Environment, Calgary Herald, 1998
2001 – “Scientists no longer doubt that global warming is happening, and almost nobody questions the fact that humans are at least partly responsible.” – Time Magazine, Monday, Apr. 09, 2001
2003 – Emphasis on extreme scenarios may have been appropriate at one time, when the public and decision-makers were relatively unaware of the global warming issue, and energy sources such as “synfuels,” shale oil and tar sands were receiving strong consideration” – Jim Hansen, NASA Global Warming activist, Can we defuse The Global Warming Time Bomb?, 2003
2006 – “I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience to listen to what the solutions are, and how hopeful it is that we are going to solve this crisis.” — Al Gore, Grist magazine, May 2006
And so on, and so on…
Gee whiz…you don’t say? The government under Obama lies… now who would’ve thought that?
http://puu.sh/kfUjg/59f65fbb85.jpg
Your graphs are constructed incorrectly. They compare a few peaks vs. the NCAR mean.
My graphs are the ones you posted before you edited it. They show the temp by year. The one from 1975 shows the same thing just smoothing the data points.
the science of fraud for political purposes.this fraud has turned into the dark ages inquisitions. we have actual tenured prof’s demanding obama prosecute any non believers. with the rico act of all things. i would not be surprised the demanding of burning deniers in bon fires shortly. all as the world cools in prep for a mini ice age like we had during the dark ages or the big one where north koreans can move their armies along with china’s into alaska to take over a country run by retards and idiots!
The GOP in Congress has one, last, positive move left, to avoid a political blood-bath and
annihilation; that is, to Impeach the Fool in the White House, before he leaves, as a ‘going
away’ present. Otherwise Republicans are finished in America. Except for Donald Trump.
Google Earth’s Temperature and that is what NOAA basis their figures on. Of course that is figures from all of Earth’s land stations obviously that leaves out temps of the ocean. Earth’s temp is 61 degrees so it is the warmest according to NOAA.
AGW is a thermometer count artifact
https://diggingintheclay.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/canadastations1975.png?w=320&h=150
https://diggingintheclay.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/canadadt.png?w=300
Canada – Top of the Hockey League (Part 1)
Thermometer Years by Latitude Warm Globe
No doubt you will not believe bloggers so how about the Russians?
The Climastrologist leave a lot of data out. only the big circles are data points that are used.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/GHCN_Temperature_Stations.png/800px-GHCN_Temperature_Stations.png
https://diggingintheclay.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/canadastations1975.png
Above was stations used in 1975 (Black diamond). Below are stations now used.
https://diggingintheclay.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/canada-bypopulation.png
By tossing a lot of rural stations and ‘infilling’ from urban stations you get ‘warming’
The Bolivia Effect
The ‘Station drop out’ problem
https://i1.wp.com/www.climateapplications.com/GHCN/images/Raw_AllWMORegions_Unstacked.png
I think the problem comes from scientists believing they can actually measure global temperatures to the tenth and even hundredth of a degree. These are the same scientists who believe they can accurately measure the sea level to the hundredth of an inch. Those are the kinds of numbers we’re talking about here folks.
And even worse is the fact they have to tamper a great deal with the data to even reach that minuscule amount of change and report it as something significant in blaring headlines like “The hottest July ever” or the Hottest year ever”. As for sea levels? I really don’t worry that much about the lies. They can’t really make the lies stick when so many people live on the coasts in the US and much of the coastal real estate in the US and elsewhere has been owned and lived at for multiple generations.
I hope by September 26 you’ll cite this ridiculous and irresponsbile claim asserted by John Kerry and the French Foreign Minister almost 500 days ago:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/french-foreign-minister-500-days-avoid-climate-chaos_792736.html
French Foreign Minister: ‘500 Days to Avoid Climate Chaos’
MAY 14, 2014
Secretary of State John Kerry welcomed French foreign minister Laurent Fabius to the State Department in Washington on Tuesday to discuss a range of issues, from Iran to Syria to climate change. Or, in the words of the foreign minister, “climate chaos.” Kerry and Fabius made a joint appearance before their meeting, and the foreign minister warned that only 500 days remained to avoid “climate chaos”.
The climate in the EU has changed into chaos.
http://news.sky.com/story/1555206/croatia-we-forced-hungary-to-take-migrants
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34300227#
http://www.rt.com/news/315293-schengen-border-control-toughened/
etc etc
We had an unusually cool august 2015
In central New Jersey. I guess global warming didn’t hit here yet.
it is hard for me to say it, but just for the sake of argument lets agree that global warming exists. The USA is for all purposes rather a tiny continent. If we spent billions of dollars on lowering the temperatures through forcing our vehicles with an over abundance of new regulations along with eliminating fossil fuels, costing us hundreds of extra dollars and it will yield zero results, what then? What about all of the other extremely large continents like China, Russia and South America? Is the USA going to police them? We are one world and the atmosphere worldwide is out of the control of mankind! Whatever the powerful USA does, will amount to zero atmospheric change! Meanwhile, China and Russia are going to keep using fossil fuels and the air there will just blow all over the world! Stop all of this Liberal bullshit!!!
Global warming is a billion dollar a year consultant business.
Lord Monckton has been vaporizing AGW disciples for over 20 years… The best evidence today that refutes warming and supports cooling is the book “Dark Winter” by John L. Casey from 2014… He’s a true historical climate scientist and solar expert who simply and brilliantly destroys the Stalinist AGW supporters!!!
Prosecute climate “deniers” using RICO law? How about prosecute known liars and data manipulators, followed by execution for attempting to foment tyranny on free men and women world wide!
20 Oct 2011 Almost 3,000 people die each year as a result of fuel poverty, inquiry finds
March 24, 2013UK Suffers Coldest March in 50 Years, Global Warming to Blame: Freezing Britain’s unusually harsh winter could have cost thousands of pensioners their lives.
Feb 4 2015 Official figures reveal that the death rate related to cold snaps in England and Wales is over 30% higher than normal for this time of year. According to the Office for National Statistics (ONS) some 28,800 people died in the fortnight ending January 23.
Given the massive Muslim immigration orchestrated by the same people on top of ‘fuel poverty’ is this genocide? Murder? Manslaughter? Terrorism?
RICO is much much too tame considering the number of premeditated deaths.
According to the gang at http://www.weatherbell.com/ this coming winter is looking like it will be a severe one for the British Isles and NW Europe. That huge persistent patch of cold water in the N. Atlantic is going attenuate the effect of the Gulf Stream. So the Pensioners and poor are probably in for another potentially fatal winter.
How Horrible. The only bright spot is it may send the newly arrived from the Middle East heading home, although I am sure the UK government will take much better care of the mussies then they will of their own people.
It really is time for a repeat of the ….
Truth is treason in an empire of lies.
Hi all you undecideds. Here is a great documentary that should clear up any questions you may still have. And veteran skeptics,it’s worth a watching too.
The Great Global Warming Swindle!
https://www.google.com/url?q=http://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DD-m09lKtYT4&sa=U&ei=Bvn4VK6sI4r6yASv3oE4&ved=0CAsQtwIwAA&usg=AFQjCNE_77YLiaG7-eh73StPLTlV5eZF-Q
NIST lied about the world trade center collapses. FBI forensics “experts” lied under oath in criminal proceedings. Why should NOAA be any different?
The employees get sent back to the drawing board again, and again, until they give the politicians the answers the politicians want.
Like when W kept sending the intelligence agencies to look for evidence of WMDs, until they finally fabricated evidence. He could then claim he never told them to lie, they did it on their own. It’s transparently dishonest, and both politicians, and agency employees should lose their jobs, and go to the slammer.
I guess climate change pimps never read articles by real, impartial scientists on the history of climate change. If they had, they would’ve read about these little things called “ice ages” – you know – where the earth is really, really cold. They might also have read about mass extinctions caused by spiking global temperature – hundreds of millions of years before humans even existed.
Now, I don’t know about you, but it seems to me the earth experiences natural, sometimes wild swings in its average temperature. Can humans potentially affect the speed of this natural cycle? It can’t be denied; it can be demonstrated that we as a species are a “variable.” Does that make us the cause? It does not. If we “are not” the cause, we cannot be proven to “be” the cause, and any conclusions to that effect are irresponsible.
The bottom line is that 98% of the World’s glaciers are melting at a torrid pace and rising sea levels reflect this. In fact, sea levels are now rising faster than they have in several hundred thousand years. And, there’s NO plausible explanation for this other than AGW…period. While sun spot activity and ocean currents can cause a pause or temporary increase the rate of warming the overall trend is still one of warming.
You have no idea what you are talking about, and are spreading lies.
Come on SG, admit that you hire these guys to give alarmists a bad name !!!
The brain-washed ignorance on display by this Skip fool is almost unbelievable…
…that ANYONE could be so dumb is bizarre to say the least !!
Skip,
I see your into downhill skiing. Hows have the conditions been? I’ll tell you what! You’ll get far more enjoyment and enlightenment from this http://adventure.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/extreme-photo-of-the-week/?utm_source=NatGeocom&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=inside_20150914&utm_campaign=Content&utm_rd=693980501 than where ever you’ve been reading the pure BS your spouting here.
The long list of assumptions in your claims is staggering. Were you there to see how far the glaciers rolled back several hundred thousand years ago? Or do you take the word of the same “scientists” that seek to steal every dime you have? I see how natural science works. It’s a guess that is assumed to be true until proven wrong. Gee I thought we were innocent until PROVEN guilty in this country. So why punish us for something that is based at best on guess work and at worst on blatant manipulation in order to take your money?
“In fact, sea levels are now rising faster than they have in several hundred thousand years. ”
ROFLMAO..
What utter and complete BullS**T !!!
What the heck have you been injecting !!
“While sun spot activity and ocean currents can cause a pause or temporary increase the rate of warming the overall trend is still one of warming.”
Yes bozo.. the series of solar maxima last century have cause a temporary warming.
Now the quite sun is going to cause some temporary cooling.
Let’s all pray it isn’t down to the levels of the LIA.
What koolaid flavor have you been drinking Skip? It sure ain’t been real science!
TEN PEER-REVIEWED PAPERS PROVING SEA LEVEL IS NOT RISING
STUDY #1
Mid to late Holocene sea-level reconstruction of Southeast Vietnam using beachrock and beach-ridge deposits
Translation the sea level was up to 1.5 meters higher than today in a tectonically stable area ~5000 years ago to 2000 years ago.
STUDY #2
Sea-level highstand recorded in Holocene shoreline deposits on Oahu, Hawaii
This study shows a sea level highstand ~1.6 meter above the present level from ~5500 years ago to 2000 years ago.
STUDY #3
Late Quaternary highstand deposits of the southern Arabian Gulf: a record of sea-level and climate change
This study shows a sea level highstand ~1 to 2 meters above the present level about ~5500 years ago.
STUDY #4
The Quaternary Geological History of the Santa Catarina Southeastern Region (Brazil) 1999
The first part discusses drilling in several locations and analyzing samples. They mention dating prior to that was guesses. “…. A drilling campaign done in the domain permitted the sampling of material for 14C datings, and the obtained data confirmed some previously assumed ages. The sequence of events, that originated the Holocene deposits, has been also reconstructed through drilling and 14C dating of the collected peat and shell samples…”
In the body of the text is this:
This study shows a sea level highstand ~ 4 meters above the present level about ~5000 years ago. With sea level oscillating since then. Not only has the sea levels have dropped since the Holocene Optimum the evidence shows that “warmer paleotemperatures were favourable for great proliferation of mollusks in the area”
Santa Catarina brazil is at latitude 27.2500°S and is tectonically stable.
STUDY #5
Holocene sea-level change and ice-sheet history in the Vestfold Hills, East Antarctica
The above is a RELATIVE sea level. The area is not tectonically stable because the area has isostatic uplift in response to deglaciation from the Wisconsin Ice Age. The same applies to the following study.
STUDY #6
A new Holocene relative sea level curve for the South Shetland Islands, Antarctica
VALIDATION BY ALTERNATE STUDIES
GLACIAL ADVANCE
STUDY #7
Ice free Arctic Ocean, an Early Holocene analogue
STUDY #8
Temperature and precipitation history of the Arctic
STUDY #9
A new approach for reconstructing glacier variability based on lake sediments recording input from more than one glacier January 2012
The highest glacier growth started 600 years ago prior to that most glaicers had melted away.
THIRD METHOD OF VALIDATION
STUDY #10
Sea Level Changes Past Records and Future Expectations
Have they corrected for the 18.6-yearly Luna Nodal cycle? Linear trend lines on sinusoidal curves are very time dependent.
The Dutch who are the most concerned about actual sea level rise have found the cycle.
The Effect of the 18.6-Year Lunar Nodal Cycle on Regional Sea-Level Rise Estimates
Fedor Baart†,‡, Pieter H. A. J. M. van Gelder†, John de Ronde†,‡, Mark van Koningsveld†,§, and Bert Wouters†
(wwwDOT)bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2112/JCOASTRES-D-11-00169.1
Linear trend lines on sinusoidal curves are very time dependent.
“Cooling…German Springs Arriving 20 Days Later Than 28 Years Ago!”
http://notrickszone.com/2015/05/31/cooling-german-springs-arriving-20-days-later-than-25-years-ago/
Darn good read for those interested in such matters. And another example of official government lies.
NOAA and its manipulation of climate data typifies all federal agencies who, with their unionized employees and their bloated bureaucracies, will do whatever they’re told to keep their jobs. Now it seems even the Census Bureau has joined the corruption party.
“A government big enough to give you everything you want can also take everything you have.”
Ronald Reagan.
From what I’ve seen, the ONLY people that receive a pay check from the Federal Government that are EVER held accountable for their actions are the Military. And when in combat they are scrutinized to an extent that no Federal bureaucracy could ever withstand.
The tyranny of the left apparently knows no bounds. These people are making the fascists look like Boy Scouts. Oh wait. According to the left the Boy Scouts “are” fascists for not caving to the PC way. These people are asking for real trouble. People are not going to be robbed forever by these money grubbers who will use any excuse to take your money. “We’ll take your money and distribute it to the poor nations (for a nominal fee of 50%) you have harmed so much with the factories you own.” Wait. I don’t own a factory. Man has been burning fossil fuels since they first climbed down out of the trees, even if we shut off the entire supply of fossil fuels there wouldn’t be a significant change in global climate, and I REFUSE to give my money to these charlatans. Unless they want a donation in lead that is. I’m sick of their junk. Notice how they didn’t bother to publish the names of these cretins. I wonder why? I have no intentions of waging war against this government but there could come a time when it’s the only option. Sometimes people have to sacrifice to make things better. At what point do we say “enough”? When they have us back in the trees? Wait. Can’t do that. Trees have rights too. You can’t move into a cave either. You might disturb the bats and cave crickets. You can go lay down and die after you give up all your money. That may be the only right we have left before long. I mean it. I won’t take much more of this. They think democracy doesn’t work. It’s time we showed them it can. Even the mighty Soviet Empire fell. Yes people are trying to revive it and out president is helping them. It’s time for it all to stop. Who knew the “change” he hoped for was that we would become a third world nation.
Democracy doesn’t work but a Constitutional Republic does unless you allow the thieves and frauds to take it over.
They know it’s a scam.
“We’ve got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy.”
– Timothy Wirth, President of the UN Foundation.
“No matter if the science of global warming is all phony… climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”
– Christine Stewart, former Canadian Minister of the Environment.
“The data doesn’t matter. We’re not basing our recommendations on the data. We’re basing them on the climate models.”
– Prof. Chris Folland, Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research.
“The models are convenient fictions that provide something very useful.”
– Dr. David Frame, climate modeler, Oxford University.
“I believe it is appropriate to have an ‘over-representation’ of the facts on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience.”
– Al Gore, climate Change activist.
“It doesn’t matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true.”
– Paul Watson, co-founder of Greenpeace.
“The only way to get our society to truly change is to frighten people with the possibility of a catastrophe.”
– Daniel Botkin, emeritus professor.
It really bothers me that professional scientists tell us the sky is falling. Computer models suck. How about open source climate tools where everyone works from the same knowledge base and no tricks are in the code?
That is happening right now over at Jo Nova’s. Dr Evan’s is building a new climate model starting with the Alarmist core model, examining it, determining the flaws and fixing it.
Dr Evans started introducing his model in June of 2014 where it was critiqued. He then went back to the drawing board to fix the flaws others pointed out and is putting up the second iteration.
Index to all the blog articles:
http://sciencespeak.com/climate-nd-solar.html
Newest posts introducing the second generation model:
http://joannenova.com.au/2015/09/new-science-1-pushing-the-edge-of-climate-research-back-to-the-new-old-way-of-doing-science/
http://joannenova.com.au/2015/09/new-science-2-the-conventional-basic-climate-model-the-engine-of-certain-warming/
http://joannenova.com.au/2015/09/new-science-3-the-conventional-basic-climate-model-in-full/
“Dr Evans started introducing his model in June of 2014 where it was critiqued. He then went back to the drawing board to fix the flaws others pointed out and is putting up the second iteration.”
REAL peer review at work.. not some crappy pal-review by a couple of like-minded climate morons like a climate journal propaganda publication.
This is all well and good but there really is one thing that tells me that AGW advocates are using hyperbole, twisting truth, and telling outright lies. And that is the term “Ocean Acidification” First of all, the pH scale says that any aqueous solution with a pH greater than 7 is basic, less than 7 is acidic, and 7 is neutral. So even if absorption of atmospheric CO2 is occurring, which it actually is, and lowers the pH level of the oceans, which it does slightly, you can’t say that it is “acidifying” the oceans! The pH level would have to reach neutral of 7 pH, then drop below that to be considered acidic! It is entirely inaccurate, and misleading, to say that any reduction of the pH level in the oceans is “acidifying” it. The term acidic will not apply until it has reduced its alkalinity, and then become neutral, and then drop below that before you can correctly bring the term acidic into play.
Second, the ocean’s pH level varies widely from place to place, hour to hour, to ever say with any certainty what the actual pH of the oceans are at any given time, or what they should be.
And finally, the oceans are a natural carbon sink and play a vital role in the carbon cycle of the planet. So in the past when atmospheric CO2 levels were much higher than today, the ocean’s were absorbing more CO2 than they are now with no apparent ill effects.
Saying the oceans are “acidifying” is scary and the term is used to evoke an emotional reaction of fear, which is a very basic form of manipulation. So hyperbole, distortion, lies = control. It’s just that simple!
The oceans are highly buffered by calcium Ca++ (and magnesium Mg++) There is enough to keep the oceans alkaline even if we burn all the coal in the world.
SEE: http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2002/3/chemistry
Calcium is the main cation in river water, followed by Na and Mg, then K.
Excellent find Gail.
The ocean “acidification” lie really gets me on edge.
Buffered solutions are beyond the understanding of most alarmists, many meteorologists, climate hack scientists and any espousing the end of the world from carbon.
Salt buffered solutions are well understood in metalliferrous mining and hydrometallurgy.
Water treatment industry professionals also understand them.
That’s why I know the ocean “Acidification” story is political and criminal crap.
I even see posts at WUWT with “Ocean Acidification” in their title and it drives me nuts!
They could say Ocean Un-Alkalinication but that would not alarm the masses.
What makes me sick is their failure to say that CO2 levels have been higher than they are now for 99.98% of Earth’s herstory and most of the time MUCH higher, how do we find all these fossil sea shells in every rock we look at?
All the older greenies remember the acid rain scare of the 70’s.
The crim’s are just tapping into that terrifying childhood memory.
Here in the US that scare is still alive and manifested in MY profession. Years ago the state of Tennessee set the speed limit to 55 mph for big trucks within 50 miles of certain large cities such as Knoxville. The reasoning was that it would reduce emissions that they claimed were having a negative effect in the Smoky mountains to the east.
Never mind that I can fly along I-75 running just east of those mountains at 70 mph until I get to that 50 mile line. And never mind the fact that since 2008 Big trucks have been using ultra low sulphur diesel fuel and filtration and scrubber systems which have greatly lowered their sulphur compound emissions and the vast majority of big trucks on the road today have those systems on them.
When those speed limit signs first went up some drivers caught speeding in those zones were not only given a ticket for speeding but also a much costlier one for pollution. But soon some level of sanity reigned and they just ticketed for speeding. But really these days it seems to me most Tennessee troopers don’t enforce that speed limit to stringently when your still well out of town.
This is pseudo science. Greatest fraud ever perpetuated on man.
If you know of anyone that does not believe in manipulation of data, just have them look at the campaign against cholesterol and dietary fats. This has the same play book they are now using on global climate change. For 50 years we have had in drummed in our heads that cholesterol is responsible for all disease. Then, we started looking real close at the science and behold, cholesterol does not do a thing. Now, how did the politicians benefit. At first the meat industry had to pay them to keep out regulations. Then the “statins” came around and big pharma doled out money left and right to make sure that the cholesterol bull continued and that statins were the wonder drugs. Now, it is all falling apart. Your diet has nothing to do with disease unless it makes you fat (even salt) and statins are more harmful than good. Imagine, if we had concentrated all that effort of the real cause of CV disease, we could have cured the problem (inflammation, source unknown). The same goes for the climate bull, except now there is a promise of world power by manipulating carbon credits.
David, I couldn’t have said it better.
We are literally squandering hundreds of billions of dollars ever year for obesity, Type 2 diabetes and all the related aliments (like foot amputations) and statins. And let’s not forget all the made-up psychiatric “illnesses.” All because of made-up “science” that started in the 1950’s (Google Ancel Keys), but really got roll in the late 1970’s and early 1980’s. Imagine, don’t use butter, use margarine.
And I’m no expert, so I know there are billions being squandered on other Big Pharma crap.
I read the book Wheat Belly by William Davis. Changed what I ate, lost 25 lbs, and dumped my statin. I am 57 years old, perfect weight, perfect blood pressure, perfect blood readings, and proudly take no medication (yes, there is a little luck involved), and intend to be “drug-free” until the day I die.
I’d like to see presidential candidates putting NOAA on notice right now that there will be a housecleaning after inauguration day, if not outright prosecutions.
The Paris Conference is to solidify seventy years (1945-2015) of deceitful abuse of physics to frighten and control the public. Twenty climate “scientists,” including several members of the US National Academy of Sciences, sent a letter to the Obama Administration trying to end the climate debate by punishing the AGW doubters:
http://www.iges.org/letter/LetterPresidentAG.pdf
Here’s a summary of precise experimental data and observations the “scientists” ignored. It was posted for comment and discussion on ResearchGate, Public Dropbox, BrittiusWordpress, etc.
https://brittius.wordpress.com/2015/08/16/dr-o-manuel-ph-d-stalins-science/
This is the empirical REALITY they tried to hide: The pulsar-centered Sun is the Creator & Sustainer of every atom, life and planet in the solar system and still controls many events in our everyday lives, just as it did ~500 year ago when Copernicus discovered the fountain of energy at the gravitational center of the solar system in 1543!
The AGW debate has nothing to do with climate. It is the latest stage in the 70-year effort (1945-2015) to establish a totalitarian one-world government after Stalin emerged victorious during a news blackout of events that changed the course of world history in August – September, 1945
IT WILL FAIL. Thomas Jefferson correctly assumed humans are endowed by their Creator with inalienable rights to enjoy life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness!
Two falsehoods were introduced into the foundations of solar and nuclear physics after WWII – lies that any serious physic scientists can verify:
1. False changes were made in the internal composition of the Sun from:
_ a.) Mostly iron (Fe) in 1945 to
_ b.) Mostly hydrogen (H) in 1946
False changes were made in the definition of nuclear stability from:
_ c.) Minimum value of Aston’s nuclear packing fraction before WWII to
_ d.) Maximum value of Weizsacker’s nuclear binding energy per nucleon after WWII.
These lies destroyed the integrity of solar and nuclear physics after nations and national academies of sciences united on October 24, 1945.
The SCIENCE of PALEOCLIMATOLOGY informs us that for 80% of the time since Life emerged on land 500 MILLION years ago (all without humankind’s influence) the Earth has been in a GREEN HOUSE phase where… it has been 10° to 15° hotter than it is today & consequently there were NO polar ice sheets or continental glaciers & sea levels were MUCH higher. For the remaining 20% of that time we have experienced 4 ICE HOUSE phases which are defined by the presence of ICE anywhere on Earth, hence we are still in an ICE HOUSE phase. The transitions between these two phases are ALWAYS accompanied by mass extinction events & sea levels RISE & FALL 300 to 400 feet more or less than they are today as water is released or captured in the polar ice sheets & continental glaciers. Nothing will stop the natural & eventual return to our normal GREEN HOUSE Earth phase… when all of the ice will once again disappear, the sea levels will rise dramatically & it becomes much hotter everywhere.
amen brother, this cat has the data. wish you worked for the government.
This whole argument is ludicrous. The deniers have the science on their side but no one will listen. The “scientists ” who claim to know all, the sky is falling and men cause the earth to get warmer, have politicians telling them what to do for govt. handouts. its all such a lie. also, not one ,so-called Plan of action does anything to control emissions, it merely charges money, and lots of it , to emit. sounds like another socialist ponzi scheme. Get the facts, i have. The earth is more capable than anyone knows, its been around alot longer than any of us
Private sector is exploring space,providing weather report, defund them both and suspend taxes on those that do the job correctly.
Don’t be fooled by the hacks that are feeding your paranoia on this site. Actually go out and find real climate science from actual scientists, not conspiracy theorists, and learn about what is really happening out there. Actual data, not some misdirection that you can’t read from some flashing three graph rotation so only those with ADD can follow it. As the meme says, “good thing the whole plot to overthrow the world was discovered by a few plucky CEO’s from the oil and coal companies”.
Yes.. REAL scientists.. NOT computer modellers and wannabe “climate scientists”
Like these guys.
https://vimeo.com/14366077
Link
I will admit to being one of the sheep who tends to believe in climate change to some degree, I also understand that the Earth itself is responsible for most of what is going on. My question is this: what, exactly, would you all like to see happen on a practical level? I have seen outrage, name-calling, and thousands of words pointing out all the ways in which the data presented to the general public is manipulated, guessed at, or just plain made up. What I have not seen, however, are any actual solutions to this outrage short of overthrowing the entire US government. What should I do with all of the information contained herein besides express my righteous indignation to others who think like me? I’m not trying to be disrespectful, it’s just that I’m a doer, and if I was to come around to the point of view presented here I don’t see any suggestions for anything even remotely proactive that one could do.
On a practical level all you can do is what is possible to resist the government take over of every aspect of your life. That is what this is all about after all. You can’t change the climate but you can be a conservationist and friend of the environment to make this world a little cleaner place. Don’t litter, and recycle your aluminum cans, plastic bottles, paper, batteries, and electronics etc and perhaps volunteer in an adopt a highway program or something like that. That kind of personal responsibility. But none of us can change the climate or the weather. All we can do is live with it and prepare and insulate and minimize our fuel and power usage to a reasonable extent. And other than that inform others of what this climate change scam is really all about and why it is a scam.
If we didn’t care this forum and others would not exist. We care about the world we live in and recognize that on balance free societies are much cleaner and healthier places than oppressed ones.
Be aware that you are being manipulated by the Government, the press, and the multinational corporations and alert others to the same.
About half of the time this website discusses political manipulation and not climate.
Read “Dark Winter” by John L. Casey and all your questions will be answered… Superb analysis done in 2014 using all alarmists data and totally refuting it before giving the elegant, scientific and simple answer to it all…
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2015/09/27/scientists-werent-always-this-stupid/#comment-543215
Spock,
I also think of myself as a doer but I do not believe in throwing out the baby with the bathwater. I also don’t believe that the solution is “overthrowing the entire US government”.
First of all, the pushers and profiteers of the global warming scare are not just in the USA as our friends in Australia, Europe and South America, or any watcher of international organizations and politics can tell you. They exist everywhere as long as it gives them fame, money and power. They prey on naïve and ignorant people who like to think they are saving the world.
Second, you don’t seem to be convinced yet that the data manipulation is a problem you want to tackle but you are challenging others to come up with the solutions for you?
If you decide to get involved, why would you think only of expressing your indignation to people who think like you? Don’t you know people around you who spout ignorant nonsense about global warming that is easy to refute? Learn the facts and put them on the spot next time they go off. It’s fun.
Did you think of supporting the people who carry on this fight? If you think the information on these pages is worthy of dissemination there is a donation button in the upper right corner. The Real Science blog has been repeatedly linked by Drudge and that provides exposure many orders of magnitude bigger than anyone can accomplish as an individual.
Do you know that Michael Mann is suing Mark Steyn for libel? Steyn is not rolling over but it costs him money which is why Mann is doing it. Buy Steyn’s books, give him money or both, and you will provide both practical and moral support with a couple of clicks.
These are just a few examples. Maybe you can come up with other ideas better than that but I can guarantee one thing: You will not get everything you want. Some criminals are never caught, some who are caught will walk, and sometimes good people are long dead before they are exonerated.
We just have to keep trying.
@Truth
@spock74
Truth is that AGW theory implicates that it would affect minimum temperatures, pushing up the average mean temperature. Well there you have my results:
https://i0.wp.com/oi62.tinypic.com/33kd6k2.jpg
Conclusion: there is no man made climate change. Looking at the speed of warming, it looks like somebody just threw you a ball? Cannot take a random sample of 54 weather stations and get a 100% correlation on a quadratic function.
so
There was some natural warming up until a time;
there is now natural cooling, up until a time.
If you can figure out until when it will be cooling, you are a genius…..
Reblogged this on Climate Collections and commented:
NASA tampering analysis
Not only are they adjusting data, they are preventing access to previous data on the Wayback Machine. They obviously don’t want anyone comparing new and old data to see what the adjustments have been over time.
If in the Wayback Machine, you type:
ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/noaaglobaltemp/operational/timeseries/aravg.mon.land_ocean.90S.90N.v4.0.0.201508.asc
You will see this message:
“Page cannot be crawled or displayed due to robots.txt”
NOAA is using “robots.txt” to keep their files from being archived. When they do that, it “disappears” previously archived files as well. My own opinion is that those are not their files to hide. Those files belong to taxpayers.
I have archived a lot of older NOAA data. I’m sure that others have done that as well. There ought to be some way of sharing those data to create a Master file of NOAA temperature time series data.
What a ridiculous bunch of whining. Global Warming – Climate Change – is happening.
And wow!! am I making a TON of money caring about it!! That’s why I do it!!
I drive less, consume less, and work on action committees and attempt to at least to manage life so that my children and grandchildren have a chance to enjoy a temperate climate.
But it’s really just the scads and scads of CASH I make from it! That’s why I care about Climate Change and the havoc that it is already making around the globe; the refugees which cannot survive, the droughts, the floods, the stronger storm systems, the desperation of those for whom home-islands are getting swamped by rising water.
It’s all the MONEY that I make caring. I’m just ROLLING money money money !!!!!
Climate Change is a terrific way for us to make Money!!!
What a bunch of idiots. The house is on fire but you’re all like “No, it’s not . . . everybody just says that to make money”. Really?? Christ.