Looking Behind The Curtain In The Arctic

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Arctic alarmists are back at their usual scam of attributing the breakup of ice caused by early winter storms to “global warming.” It is a shell game to divert attention away from the huge expansion of soon to be multi-year sea ice towards the Russian side.

These Arctic summer storms churn up warmer water from several hundred feet down below the ice, and replace it with colder surface water. Like all convective storms, they rapidly move heat from lower elevations up into the upper atmosphere, where it radiates off into space. The large number of summer storms in recent years have been cooling down the waters of the Arctic Ocean, causing new ice to form more rapidly in the autumn.

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99 Responses to Looking Behind The Curtain In The Arctic

  1. Gail Combs says:

    The Warmist never seem to figure out that an El Nino is ocean heat on its way out to space either.

    Warmer air temps over an ocean is a measure of the ocean heat in transit to outer space. If that heat is not replaced by the energy of the sun it means net cooling. A sleepy sun like solar cycle 24 means less energy into the ocean.

    The oceans as a calorimeter by Dr Shaviv

    Some info on the changes in the sun by NASA:
    http://www.nasa.gov/topics/solarsystem/features/solarcycle-sorce.html

    http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/solarsystem/solar_trend_change_climate.html

    http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/23sep_solarwind/

  2. Brian D says:

    It’s possible we are seeing the start of the ice expansion under the current wx pattern.

    • Andy says:

      Calling the end to the melt season when winds as well as below and above melting effects has always been very hit and miss. You may be right, but you may be wrong. A graph is no lifebelt in this situation.

      :)

      Andy

    • Brian D says:

      The ice will be moving into these open water areas as I have depicted on this MASIE map that is current as of Sept 1st. The wind speeds along the path I’ve shown for the upcoming week will be running from 10 – 25kts.

      • Andy says:

        I think we will see a reduction from now on and give us a lower figure, probably, than 2007 on the JAXA values.

        Might see a late lowest extent this year.

        Andy

      • Neal S says:

        And it looks like the ‘extent’ is at least 3.5 million km^2 more than an ‘ice free’ arctic. No matter how the alarmists might try to spin it, once again, we have failed to have an ‘ice free’ arctic.

        So it will be a race between the SOF and the oncoming wind driven ice and also upcoming freezing. And we have seen how the Northabout is not a great ‘sprinter’. Their shortest route (which would be quickest) is blocked by ice at this time. So unless things change, they must take a longer more southern route.

        Way too early for them to declare success. But even if they do somehow manage to squeak through, it really doesn’t prove anything. And it certainly would not prove what they might have hoped to prove.

        While they may be well-meaning, they certainly are a SOF.

  3. Andy says:

    You say winter storms in one paragraph and summer in another.

    Which is it?

    Unlike 2007 and 2012, which were both exceptional low years due to weather, rather than climate, 2016 seems to be following the recent trend down again.

    Why?

    And note I am not saying this is due to man or nature, just that it is interesting and does not have a full explanation yet. At least not so far you could predict 2017 figures and say why.

    Andy

    PS There has only been a more rapid increase in expansion after the minimum as the ice extent is further north to start off with, due to the massive summer reduction. So it responds more quickly to the solar cycle but then just gets back to the normal. As for the old multiyear ice expanding towards the Russian side … any quantitative backup for that theory?

  4. Andy says:

    This is interesting from the BBC and Nerc

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-36560548

    I think it’s rather a load of baloney though

    “The floes have experienced much reduced winter coverage and go into the warmest months tracking below the all time satellite minimum year of 2012.
    But the Reading team says current ice extent is actually a poor guide to the scale of the eventual September low point. A better correlation is with the fraction of the floes in May topped with melt ponds – and that metric suggests 2016 will not be a record year.”

    The thing that I object to with this is that melt ponds increase melting from above, but that then negates melting from below at all. Which is then ignoring a major melting effect. Also melt ponds will melt something thinner than something thicker.

    They did a simulation of

    Its simulations suggest sea-ice extent for the end of this coming summer will be 4.5 (+/- 0.5) million square km. This number is for an average across the entire month of September

    Well it’s gone into Sept well below that. 4.17 and a really steep gradient like 2012.

    So it will be interesting to see if they moderate their “melt pools in May” theory given evidence. That’s the problem with science in the Arctic, it’s all very new, so a new theory gets a lot of backing without too many years to show if it is right or not.

    Given that it is hard to tie it in more to climate change, thats another step up! No proven.

    Andy

    • Neal S says:

      And just about how many million km^2 more than an ‘ice free’ arctic does that happen to be right now? Not looking very ‘ice free’ at all. Try again next year.

      The predictions of an ‘ice free’ arctic in modern times have yet to be even close.

      I look forward to a day when a constant stream of lies about climate and our world will no longer be rewarded. I also look forward to a day when more and more of the general population will no longer believe the lies and will no longer tolerate those who spread those lies.

      • Gail Combs says:

        The constant stream of lies the Media puts out has resulted in people not trusting the media and the media is now losing market share. That is why the Obama is turning over ICCAN to the UN October 1, 2016. In hopes of gaining control of the internet.

        Only 6% Trust Media, But It Should Be Less

        …There is no incongruity in the fact that a new poll conducted by the Media Insight Project, a joint project of the American Press Institute and the Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research, finds the American media’s popularity way down with that of Washington politicians. With 2,014 adults surveyed, only 6% expressed “a lot of confidence” in the press.

        That’s because they correctly view the major media as virtually indistinguishable from that same political establishment….

        The public knows very well that most of the leading political reporters are not the intrepid crusaders for truth they claim to be, and whom Robert Redford and Dustin Hoffman played in “All the President’s Men,” but rather ideological warriors devoted to one side winning and the other losing…..

        The Media Insight poll found that close to 90% of Americans consider it extremely important or very important that journalists get their facts right. As in RatherGate and so many other cases, the media not only get the facts wrong but also use them as political weapons.

        Comments by Matt Drudge on one way they plan to kill the alternate media.

        Only 6% Trust Media, But It Should Be Less

        …There is no incongruity in the fact that a new poll conducted by the Media Insight Project, a joint project of the American Press Institute and the Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research, finds the American media’s popularity way down with that of Washington politicians. With 2,014 adults surveyed, only 6% expressed “a lot of confidence” in the press.

        That’s because they correctly view the major media as virtually indistinguishable from that same political establishment….

        The public knows very well that most of the leading political reporters are not the intrepid crusaders for truth they claim to be, and whom Robert Redford and Dustin Hoffman played in “All the President’s Men,” but rather ideological warriors devoted to one side winning and the other losing…..

        The Media Insight poll found that close to 90% of Americans consider it extremely important or very important that journalists get their facts right. As in RatherGate and so many other cases, the media not only get the facts wrong but also use them as political weapons.

        Comments by Matt Drudge

        MATT DRUDGE: I had a Supreme Court Justice come up to me and say to my face it is over for me.

        Matt, it is over for you, they’ve got the votes to enforce copyright laws, you’re out of there. They’re going to make it so you can’t even use headlines.

        To have a Supreme Court Justice say that to my face, that it is over, they’ve got the votes. It means time is limited. Time is not forever, how many more moons and sunrises will you see in your life rise and fall, not that many, it is a small amount.

        For people to be saying with this attitude, I’ll get on with my life and my greatness some time, no you can’t.

        MATT DRUDGE: And Justice Breyer said we need to look at a global law, now, so they’re getting ready for these decisions to come. You thought Obamacare was shocking. These other decisions. Wait until these copyright laws work their way up and the Supreme Court decides you can not have a website with news headlines linking across the board.

        That will end for me, fine I’ve had a hell of a run, it has been twenty years next year, or about now.

        I couldn’t have gone any further, I have gone as far out as I can. I still want to stay out here, but I have gone pretty far for what one individual…

    • Gator69 says:

      Yes, actually you do need to say more. Start by apologizing to the 21,000 who will starve today because of alarmists like yourself who divert treasure to madness.

      Next you could discuss how perfectly natural melting ice in the Arctic is, and that expanding ice is the only real concern.

      And finally you could admit that you care more about melting ice than humans.

      So yes Jimbo, you do need to say more, but you won’t because you are a selfish alarmist POS.

        • Gator69 says:

          OK then what you POS? Thanks for confirming your status as less than human, just as I predicted you would.

        • Steven Mosher says:

          Its too funny..

          The last time Goddard screwed up about Ice he got booted from WUWT..

          will he kick himself off his own site?

          • Sunsettommy says:

            Its funny that neither you Mosh,and that one note joke, Jimmy, keep avoiding the numerous times that Tony and many skeptics bring up,that it never becomes ice free despite the many overwrought predictions of it.

            Because you are this way, you are known clowns to rational people who keep wondering why clods like Mosh and Hunt keep salivating over Ice Free Summers in the Arctic predictions that been wrong for YEARS!

          • Steven Mosher says:

            Its too funny..

            you have missed my criticisms of alarmist predictions.

            I prefer what the IPCC uses as a definition of Ice free. 1m sq km or less for 5 years.

            Figure 2050 or so.

            right now the secular trend ( driven by AGW ) is such that year to year weather noise dominates.

            Even the skeptical Willis Eschenbach agrees the arctic ice has busted the null hypothesis

          • AndyG55 says:

            “I prefer what the IPCC uses as a definition of Ice free. 1m sq km or less for 5 years.”

            You mean like for extended periods in the first 3/4 of the Holocene.

            Before the Little ice age

            That means that the current slight decrease is actually a RECOVERY from the EXTREMES of the coldest period in the last 10,000 years

          • AndyG55 says:

            When will Wadham, Serezze etc resign because of their gross incompetence?

            Muller will keep you on as a frontman as long as you continue to make an idiot of yourself… employment for life, hey Mosh.

          • Sunsettommy says:

            Notice that Mosher talks about the Null hypothesis being busted,while he continues to ignore the many failed predictions of ice free summer ice in the Arctic.

            Predictions that are made by warmist scientists who actually work on the subject,yet be wrong badly wrong year after year.

            Ha ha….

          • kuhnkat says:

            “right now the secular trend ( driven by AGW ) is such that year to year weather noise dominates.

            Even the skeptical Willis Eschenbach agrees the arctic ice has busted the null hypothesis”

            You are dumber than a box of rocks. It has been established that the Arctic has been ice free in the past, yet, you blather on about the null hypothesis having been busted.

            https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/03/08/nsidc-arctic-was-ice-free-in-the-past/

            You have beclowned yourself once again, and, if the Escher really said that, so has he.

            HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

            Isn’t it interesting that this possible record low was immediately after a failure of the equipment and a hurried splicing of data to continue the record??

            Yeah, y’all really are stupid.

          • gator69 says:

            Its too funny..

            I prefer what the IPCC uses as a definition of Ice free. 1m sq km or less for 5 years.

            Yes, it really is way, way, way too funny that Moshpup is so incredibly ignorant that he thinks we can be so easily hoodwinked by this cult of climastrology. The warmalarmists definitely inhabit the shallow end of the IQ pool.

            And as for my preference, I prefer to tell the truth, and not be an ignorant sleaze.

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            Mosher is a pistol. He really is a funny guy!

          • Gail Combs says:

            Gator,

            It is not a lack of IQ it is a lack of ethics, morality and honesty.

            Jimmy Boy the Con Man and Mosh Pup KNOW damn well we are at the cold end of the Holocene and the Arctic was warmer and even ice free before the Little Ice Age. They have certainly had their noses rubbed into those facts for years.

            However they continue using a political weapon (CAGW) to sell their fellow humans in to serfdom and poverty and misery.

          • gator69 says:

            Gail, it is both.

    • Timothy Sorenson says:

      Interesting that the graph above compared to your link. One showed 2010-16 while the other had selected dates of 1979, 1986, 1993, 2000, 2007, 20014, 2015, and 2016. IF the only intent was to proved Tony on is prediction that 2016 would beat 2015’s minimum extent you needed only state that. INSTEAD, you provide a graph making it look dastardly the present situation.

      So here is the comparable:

    • Gail Combs says:

      Extent is completely dependent on the wind as Brian D showed above.

      What counts is ice thickness and the total amount (gigatons) of ice.

      • Steven Mosher says:

        Actually Not.

        • Sunsettommy says:

          Actually yes,it makes a lot of difference, since increasing thickness and mass better resists those winds from compacting it as much.

          Thin ice is easily pushed around,broken up or compacted,thus causing dumb warmists to drool about it.

        • Steven Mosher says:

          “Actually yes,it makes a lot of difference,”

          yes it makes a difference
          many things make a difference.
          what I object to is the notion that only ONE THING
          counts.

          many things count.

          when you figure what they are… your predictions improve.

          • Sunsettommy says:

            Bwahahahahahahahaha!!!

            You Mosh, are making a fool of yourself,because Tony, NEVER make, ‘No summer Ice’, predictions in the Arctic.

            Serreze,Wadhams,Beckwith,Box and others who are supposed to be “Expert” scientists on this subject,make numerous incorrect PREDICTIONS of No summer Ice.

            They have been massively wrong and for YEARS too. It has never gotten below 3.41 million (2012),which is a lot higher than zero.

            They are shown to be 100% wrong.

            Quiz: Which has more ice?

            A) 3.41 (2102)
            B) 0.00 (around 6,000 years ago)
            C) around 4.4 (2016)

            Please stop being this stupid, Mosh.

        • Gail Combs says:

          BULL FECES!

          Both Anthony and NASA admit it!

          NASA on Arctic sea ice record low – storm ‘wreaked havoc on the Arctic sea ice cover’
          Anthony Watts / September 24, 2012

          NASA finally admits it Arctic cyclone in August ‘broke up’ and ‘wreaked havoc’ on sea ice — Reuters reports Arctic storm played ‘key role’ in this season’s sea ice reduction…

          From NASA

          A powerful storm wreaked havoc on the Arctic sea ice cover in August 2012. This visualization shows the strength and direction of the winds and their impact on the ice: the red vectors represent the fastest winds, while blue vectors stand for slower winds. Credit: NASA/Goddard Science Visualization Studio
          http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012-seaicemin.html

          The loss of ice in 2007 was also due to a storm (winds)
          The loss of Arctic sea ice in 2007 was due to storm winds that blew the ice out of the Arctic through Fram Strait.

          NASA

          A team led by Son Nghiem of NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., studied trends in Arctic perennial ice cover by combining data from NASA’s Quick Scatterometer (QuikScat) satellite with a computing model based on observations of sea ice drift from the International Arctic Buoy Programme. QuikScat can identify and map different classes of sea ice, including older, thicker perennial ice and younger, thinner seasonal ice.

          “Unusual atmospheric conditions set up wind patterns that compressed the sea ice, loaded it into the Transpolar Drift Stream and then sped its flow out of the Arctic,” said Son Nghiem of NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory and leader of the study. When that sea ice reached lower latitudes, it rapidly melted in the warmer waters.
          http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/quikscat-20071001.html

          The is also an atmospheric cycle is called : The Arctic Oscillation (AO)

          NOAA

          The Arctic Oscillation (AO) is a large scale mode of climate variability, also referred to as the Northern Hemisphere annular mode. The AO is a climate pattern characterized by winds circulating counterclockwise around the Arctic at around 55°N latitude. When the AO is in its positive phase, a ring of strong winds circulating around the North Pole acts to confine colder air across polar regions. This belt of winds becomes weaker and more distorted in the negative phase of the AO, which allows an easier southward penetration of colder, arctic airmasses and increased storminess into the mid-latitudes….
          http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/teleconnections/ao/

          I did have charts of wind direction for several years ago and recently showing the switch in direction.

          …The Fram Strait, located between Greenland and Spitsbergen (Fig. 1), is with 2,600 m mean water depth the only deep-water connection between the Arctic Ocean and the World’s Ocean. Further in and outlet systems are the Bering Strait, the Canadian Arctic Archipelago, and the Barents Sea with maximum water depths of 450 m, which do not provide for a comparable deep-water circulation. The huge discharge of sea ice from the Arctic Ocean (ca. 3,000 km3 mean annual export between 1950 – 2000) through Fram Strait (Vinje, 2001b) is mainly confined to the western part of this passage….

          The impact of atmospheric forcing on the sea ice distribution in Fram Strait is mainly effected through variations in sea level pressure, wind strength and circulation patterns (depending on the respective mode of the North Atlantic Oscillation; NAO) that favour or inhibit the sea ice formation on the one hand and the export of sea ice via the EGC on the other hand (Dickson, 2000; Hurrell and Deser, 2009; Kwok et al., 2004; Vinje, 2001b; see chapter 5 for further discussion)….
          Last Glacial to Holocene variability in the sea ice

          So yes IT IS THE WIND!

      • Andy DC says:

        If extent is a result of short term weather events breaking up the ice, it is totally an invalid metric for gauging potential climate change. It is an excuse for alarmists to beat their chests, but that is all.

    • Gail Combs says:

      YES!

      Your graph is NOT labelled so we do not know if it is showing >15% ice or >30% ice or >50% ice or what ever.

      This is how CONMEN LIE.

    • Ernest Bush says:

      @Hunt – you two-bit phoney. You know very well that the line in question is not near 2012, but you deliberately left that year out to make this year look like a record was being set. The word for that is FRAUD!!!!!. Sums you up pretty good.

      • AndyG55 says:

        Yep, the only thing Jimbo the clown does when he comes here is to reinforce his reputation as a LIAR, a FRAUSTER and a low-level CONMAN with absolutely ZERO honesty, ethics or integrity.

    • Gonzo says:

      Hey Jim nice cherry pick! Why did you leave out 2008 through 2012?

  5. CheshireRed says:

    What actual relevance is less summer arctic sea ice to anything? How does it cause any sort of problem? (Polar bear numbers are UP, so they’re doing fine) There’s still more ice than covers Greenland – how much is ‘needed’? (is ANY needed) Seriously, so current Arctic ice extent is towards the lower end of things for 20-30 years (while Antarctic is at the high end of the records) – so what?

    I believe this hysteria is simply desperate environmentalists hanging climate hysteria onto any weather peg they can, no matter how relevant or otherwise.

    • Jim Hunt says:

      Much as I hate to disappoint you:

      • CheshireRed says:

        Antarctic ice HAS been at the high end of observations recently. It may be bang on average this year but if we’re talking the longer-term trend (which you guys love so much when it suits you) then Antarctic sea ice IS increasing.
        In any event that wasn’t my point. What is actually so good about having the north pole locked solid with sea ice and what is so bad about less sea ice? There isn’t a ‘correct’ amount is there? No such construct exists. You see something which you think helps your hysterical BS of a cause and you’re onto it faster than Al Gore getting into a private jet.

      • Sunsettommy says:

        Ha ha,

        Wadhams,Serezze,Hunt,Mosher,Box,and other over the top No summer ice speculators, are wrong once again.

        It will be around 4.4 Million,which is slightly higher than zero.

        • AndyG55 says:

          And WAY, WAY higher than the often zero summer sea ice of before the Little Ice Age.

          What we are seeing is normal variability at the end of a highly beneficial warming period out of the coldest period in the last 10,000 years.

          The people living up there would be absolutely blessed if the Arctic sea ice were to continue to decrease, but with the AMO turning and the sleepy sun, the next several years will see it starting to increase again.

        • AndyG55 says:

          What you need to realise about Jimbo and Mosh, is that they are both basically low-end salesmen.
          Mosh, hired as a frontman for the BEST temperature series fabricators.
          Jimbo linked in somehow with the Exeter climate troughers.
          A more dodgy pair of salesmen, would be hard to find anywhere.

        • Steven Mosher says:

          Huh?

          I’m with the IPCC.. not zero ice ( 1m) for a while.

          but 2016? my prediction 4.2

          Here is a good read

          http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2014GL059388/abstract

          • AndyG55 says:

            “my prediction 4.2”

            way more than 1M km²

            So when is Wadhams going to resign for incompetency ?

          • Sunsettommy says:

            The IPCC definition is stupid, because phrase Ice Free, means no ice.

            less than 1 million is not even close to being ice free.You are going to continue to make a complete fool of yourself on this?

            I am sure a chemist can rest easy in being sloppy with measuring chemicals, after all the all wise IPCC thinks you can have a wide margin of error in numbers,and get away with it.

            Then you admit that Wadhams,Beckwith,The US Navy are wrong once again this year,since you say 4.2 which is much higher than zero.

            Thank you for your accidental admission and stupidity.

      • Sunsettommy says:

        Ha ha,

        you didn’t address anything Red talked about.

        Your favored chart doesn’t make any particular point at all,except that there is still a nice amount of Summer ice floating in the Arctic. Certainly far above the Zero summer ice Warmist scientists keeps making year after year.

        The reduction season is just about over,another piece of evidence that Wadhams,Box,Beckwith,Gore and other Warmists are still making fools of themselves.

      • AndyG55 says:

        You never disappoint, Jimbo

        You always display your monumental ignorance and a total lack of integrity in continually refusing to admit the truth that these levels are anomalously high compared to the pre-LIA Holocene norms.

    • Gail Combs says:

      Hunt is doing his usual dis-information

  6. Ron Clutz says:

    Any change is scary when you take it out of context. Arctic melt season will continue for a few more weeks and then recover. Compared to averages of the last 10 years, it is down about 3% in 2016.

    https://rclutz.wordpress.com/2016/09/02/arctic-ice-ytd-sept-1/

  7. Neal S says:

    The SOF is about 4.5 to 5.5 hours out of Tuktoyuktak at this time. I keep wondering when they will change course by 20-25 degrees, or they will miss it. There have been crew blog and ships log posts.
    http://polarocean.co.uk/get-tuktoyuktak-tomorrow-im-really-looking-forward-meantime-hoping-aurora/
    http://polarocean.co.uk/6352-2/

    In the previous crew blog
    http://polarocean.co.uk/auto-helms-stopped-working-moving-putting-effort-steering-keeps-warm-nice/

    Ben had written “So it’s hard to keep a decent track and it makes it harder to look out for ice. ” when talking about their Autopilot failure. What … Ice? … I thought there wasn’t supposed to be any ice!

    • Gail Combs says:

      Ask the captain of the Titanic about that ‘ice free’ ocean scenario.

      The problem with the CAGW manipulation of data is 15% or greater, the label missing on Snow White’s Con, means you could be dodgingas much as 14% ice or whatever.

      Satellites can easily miss the smaller bergs too.

      “…the Multisensor Analyzed Sea Ice Extent (MASIE) products show daily extent at 4 km resolution and are distributed in partnership with the operational National Ice Center (NIC)…

      Sea ice concentration can be estimated from brightness temperature data because sea ice and water have differing passive microwave brightness temperature signatures. For example, water has a highly polarized signature within a certain frequency band, that is, its brightness temperature in the vertical channel is higher than that in the horizontal, while sea ice does not. Most algorithms use some form of a polarization difference or ratio and a linear mixing formula with brightness temperature tie points to estimate the concentration of sea ice within the field of view (FOV) of the sensor. Sea Ice Index processing converts gridded ice concentration estimates from the NASA Team algorithm to images and numerical data files. “

      https://nsidc.org/data/docs/noaa/g02135_seaice_index/

      Print is too small for me to go beyond that without getting a headache, but it doesn’t look like they are counting and sizing actual icebergs.

    • Steven Mosher says:

      they are headed just fine

    • Neal S says:

      Oh look. The SOF has made a change of course, just like I said they would have to.

    • wizzum says:

      From my experiences in that part of the ocean, the ice edge is very well defined and “random” floes are an anomaly (not that it wont sink a little bitty thing like theirs).
      They must be burning a ton of diesel, they have been making good headway into 20-30 kt winds for a week.

      • Gail Combs says:

        ‘Sailing’ they are not. They should have just taken a motor boat since they spend all their time not sailing. Of course that would have been bad for the image.

        • wizzum says:

          I just read their log and it looks like they need to fuel up again. I hope they are careful with their Vodka, Tuk is a dry town and there are penalties for even having booze.

          • Gail Combs says:

            Hope they have their sailboat searched and they find all the empty and full vodka bottles….

            Oh wait these are Progressives so that means they just chucked the empties overboard. It is the conservatives that are neat and tidy and pick-up all the trash and dispose of it properly.

    • Colorado Wellington says:

      What … Ice? … I thought there wasn’t supposed to be any ice!

      No worries, Neal. Admiral Hunt has it under control. They chose not to go to the North Pole this time but they could. There is no ice there. If it wasn’t for them all wanting a shower and vodka, they would have made the quickie side trip just as the Admiral knows they could.

  8. lance says:

    When I lived in Eureka (Nunavut) in ’79….I saw a horrible scene unfold in front of me…the ice, it melted(and it was damn thick back then), was blown out the fjord, and then, that fall global cooling took place and by early Oct, it was iced over again.

    REPEAT……

  9. AndyG55 says:

    And still we have the ignorance of Jimbo, now joined by Mosh (Dodgy Bros reunited)

    Neither has bothered to look at the real history of Arctic sea ice..

    …. otherwise they would know that a drop in Arctic sea ice level is a RECOVERY towards the often zero summer sea ice of before the Little Ice Age

    There is still a LONG way to go to get to that stage.

    Arctic sea ice is STILL anomalously HIGH compared to the all of the Holocene except the freezing extremes of the LIA.

    But they will choose to remain IGNORANT and refuse to admit to this fact, because they have an agenda they must support.

    • Gail Combs says:

      “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!” — Upton Sinclair

  10. AndyG55 says:

    Crystal Serenity bridge cam. now

  11. Griff says:

    I’m sorry, but this post doesn’t seem to have any basis in reality…

    Here’s the University of Bremen data… the ice is still thinning and retreating from the Wrangel Iland area and Russian coast, with a strong storm still blowing and dispersing the shattered ice further… its still melting up there…

    http://www.iup.uni-bremen.de:8084/amsr2/Arctic_AMSR2_nic.png

    https://www7320.nrlssc.navy.mil/hycomARC/navo/arcticicespddrfnowcast.gif

    • Steve Keohane says:

      There is a difference between melting and blowing around. Melting, it is not.

      • Griff says:

        ? – what does your unlabelled/no source graph prove?

        all the measures of ice extent show it as second lowest in the satellite record…

        It is not recovering, is it?

        • RAH says:

          “Griff says:
          September 5, 2016 at 10:50 am
          ? – what does your unlabelled/no source graph prove?
          all the measures of ice extent show it as second lowest in the satellite record…
          It is not recovering, is it?”

          Anyone that really knows a thing about it would recognize at a glance that graph is from DMI:
          http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php

          Griff says: It is not recovering, is it?”

          “Recovering” from what and to what?

          The point is that the average temperature is below freezing up there. That the area, age, volume, and the extent of arctic ice are effected by many factors with air and sea temperatures only being part of it. Wind and wave action has a greater short term effect on ice extent than temperatures do.

    • Sunsettommy says:

      Still you ignore the fact warmist experts have once again failed in their no summer ice predictions.

  12. Rick says:

    The Ship of Fools, as you call them, looks like they will be successful in their circumnavigation of the pole through both the northeast and nortwest passages.

  13. Derek says:

    Very interesting video about near record low Arctic sea ice cover –> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWOQmoG09S4

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