Hillary Is Pining For The Fjords

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36 Responses to Hillary Is Pining For The Fjords

  1. mogur says:

    Let’s do the Ship of Fools (SOF) just one more time. Please. Post the results.

  2. mogur says:

    Is it that that no one has ever sailed the NW passage without an engine, until 2007? Amundsen did it in 1906 with 4245 gallons of kerosene for his Dan hot bulb engine? That the Northeast Passage was first done in 1875 by a large steamer? That to circumnavigate the entire arctic ocean in one season is routine? Yeah, keep posting old newspaper articles that claimed the arctic used to be a playground for arctic warming, and pretend that those articles disprove recent arctic sea ice decline. When was the last time that there was clear ocean to 86°N?

    • OrganicFool says:

      When was the last time Montreal was under 2 miles of ice? It must have been a huge increase in CO2 back then to melt it all.

      • mogur says:

        Two miles? What are you a stupid American? Let’s talk 3.189 klicks. Now we are in sync with any thing Brexit wants.

        • AndyG55 says:

          You have no idea do you MoreGIT.
          Amundsen was mapping the land as he went, searching and discovering.

          Northabout had everything laid out in front of them by reliable satellite charts, showing them were the sea ice was and how to avoid it. Sat nav, weather forecasts.. all laid on for them when they wanted them.

          It is ONLY massive amounts of assistance from modern technology that allowed them to get through.

          If you really think there is any sort of comparison to be made, then you are even more of a TOTAL MORON that I previously gave you credit for.

          • Jason Calley says:

            The advances in ship engines and especially in navigational aids have been tremendous in the last 100 years. To discount them (especially in a case where we know with certainty that they have been a major advantage) is foolish. And yet the CAGW crowd discounts them.

            On the other hand, if you point out that forest fires have burned fewer acres in the last decade or two than in decades past, they will tell you that “The lower acreage means nothing! Just think of all the new fire fighting techniques we have now!” Other than the occasional and relatively rare usage of flying water tankers (which has had its funding cut in recent years) fire fighting is still very dependent on men on the ground with saws, shovels and guts.

          • Colorado Wellington says:

            Hey Jason!

            Imagine you are an alarmist and imagine you are saying foolish things but then I repeat myself … :)

        • OrganicFool says:

          http://gizmodo.com/ice-sheets-were-terrifying-thick-20-000-years-ago-513346145

          Montreal was under 3300m of ice 20,000 years ago. That is 2.050525 miles.

        • OrganicFool says:

          Or in 3.189 klicks, 1.951668 miles

        • AndyG55 says:

          Only a nil-educated twerp wants to measure in “klicks”.

          • AndyG55 says:

            Unless of course you want to pretend you are in the army… latrine and potato duty, hey Moregit.

          • OrganicFool says:

            I entertain. But ignores that 2 miles of ice melted 20,000 years ago without modern coal-fired plants. Don’t feed the troll?

          • AndyG55 says:

            “Don’t feed the troll?”

            Oh please.. can I keep him.. he’s so funny…

            …. and ugly enough to be cute. :-)

    • AndyG55 says:

      Any decline in current sea ice is purely to do with the FACT that LIA and the late 1970’s were EXTREME conditions.

      You keep PROVING YOUR IGNORANCE in your every comment, making you look like even MORE of a MORONIC GIT !!

  3. OrganicFool says:

    Taking all that money from Saudi Arabia and collapsing on 9/11 at Ground Zero is truly ironic.

  4. mogur says:

    I will be banned, again. But that is ok, since this is Tony’s blog. If my posts get erased, then I understand that, also. I wouldn’t want anyone objecting my to my false bullcrap, either.

  5. mogur says:

    I beg to differ, I have been banned every time that I have disagreed with him. For some stupid reason, he let’s me post after a few months. I don’t get that, because if it was my blog, I would just ban, goodbye. But I have to give credit to Tony Baloney.

  6. mogur says:

    No, but you are?

  7. mogur says:

    Let me guess. You are pastel pink. Am I wrong?

    • charles nelson says:

      Mogur. Can I advise…no, beg you…please do not drink alcohol whilst you’re taking those anti-depressants…we all know where that leads…right?

  8. Colorado Wellington says:

    Brave Sir Mogur had embarked on yet another pharmacologically driven foray.

  9. AndyG55 says:

    MoreGit takes his “ice” BEFORE he comments. !

    No wonder he is upset about a slight natural decline in the Arctic.

    Thinks he will have to pay more for his “ice”.

  10. saveenergy says:

    Ship of fools update
    Sept 12th – They left Lancaster Sound at the end of the NW Passage at 19.18 UTC on 12th September; headed for Greenland.

    BUT from the log –
    “Well, slowly up Prince Regent Sound, WE CAME TO OUR ICE AS FORECAST BUT IT HAD NEARLY SEALED OFF THE STRAIT, if we didn’t get through, then it would be a long slog back to Cambridge Bay to overwinter,
    THE ICE HAS CHANGED RAPIDLY IN THE LAST FEW DAYS, THICKENING AND CLOSING THE ROUTE ALSO TO RESOLUTE BAY, WINTER IS ON ITS WAY.
    WE PLODDED FOR AN HOUR UP THE FRONT OF 5/10THS ICE, TOO THICK FOR US TO GO THROUGH but we could see clear waters the other side.
    we are sailing down Lancaster Sound in the pitch dark TRYING TO AVOID SMALL LUMPS OF ICE THE SIZE OF A CAR. THE BIGGER BITS YOU CAN SEE ON THE RADAR.

    They’ve already started the spin in the first press release –
    “ They encountered ice only twice in their 1800 mile NW Passage part of the voyage”

    ONLY BECAUSE OF RADAR, GPS & ACCURATE ICE CHARTS.

    They were surrounded by ice, & took the only open route (which will probably close in the next few days ).

  11. Edmonton Al says:

    According to their website they are in Baffin Bay.
    They may make it yet. It seems to be more likely to be open.
    But I do not know the ice conditions in Baffin Bay.

    • Neal S says:

      It is now likely that only an act of God could prevent their completing their tour. (hint, hint…)

      Numerous times in the logs and blogs it was mentioned how they got lucky. If there really was so little ice, then luck should not have been needed or played that big a role. In the logs they also mentioned how a given short-cut was blocked by ice, or how a more preferred route could not be used due to ice. If there really was so little ice, there should not have been so many routes and short-cuts blocked by what isn’t supposed to be there. They had access to ice charts. They plotted their course to as much as possible avoid ice. And they have the gall to say in effect “wow, we hardly saw any ice!”. Of course you didn’t. You always picked the other routes and went the other way.

      • Andy DC says:

        If the SOF makes it, congratulations. It is a testimonial to their determination to overcome what they did, but their struggles with ice ended up proving just the opposite of their stated mission, that there has NOT been significant warming over the last 100 years.

      • Gail Combs says:

        We hardly saw any ice!

  12. Colorado Wellington says:

    ”Let’s do the Ship of Fools (SOF) just one more time. Please.”

    Well, OK then:

    Sep 13 2016:

    ”Well after a horrid night of avoiding ice, this mornings watch was a delight. The mountains either side of Lancaster sound were so clear. Covered in new snow. Glaciers coming down to the waters edge. A few big icebergs ahead.”

    N 73 51 W 074 24 Pressure 996 Air1 water 3.4 UTC 0530 13 Sept

    Ship’s Log, David Hempleman-Adams

    1 comment.

    Cate
    13/09/2016 10:36

    “What a journey you’ve made, truly hair-raising. The sense of achievement must be gratifying indeed. Thank you all for sharing this adventure, and congratulations on meeting your goal! Let’s hope that the world will now sit up and pay attention to the huge implications of an ice-free Arctic., thanks to your historic expedition.”

    The “Progressives” exhibit total immunity against the effects of cognitive dissonance.

    The evidence is robust and overwhelming.

    • Gail Combs says:

      Snicker

      • Gail Combs says:

        I was the only woman except for the secretary in the entire plant. I retaliated with my collection of original art work — All men and my Studs calendar. The guys though it was a riot.

        • Colorado Wellington says:

          Yeah, that’s what normal people do. I still remember when some of the smart and pretty ladies in our offices had signs over their desks:

          NOTICE

          Sexual harassment in this area will not be reported.
          However, it will be graded.

          They knew how to take care of themselves and you had to pity the occasional poor sap who didn’t get it.

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